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On 09/27/2011 03:19 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4E8221DB.501@us.ibm.com" type="cite">On
09/27/2011 02:04 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 09/27/2011 02:34 PM, Anthony Liguori
wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">-0.9
<br>
<br>
I don't think we should rush into adding projects. I think
there's an
<br>
open question of whether MOM should be folded into VDSM or
whether it
<br>
should be stand alone.
<br>
<br>
I'd like to see a roadmap for either integrating into VDSM or
a clear
<br>
(agreed upon) description of what components own what
functionality.
<br>
<br>
My concern is that having MOM be an oVirt project would
discourage
<br>
attempts to merge MOM into VDSM.
<br>
<br>
N.B. my vote is non-binding.
<br>
<br>
Regards,
<br>
<br>
Anthony Liguori
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 09/27/2011 12:41 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
This vote is to accept into oVirt the memory overcommit
manager (mom)
<br>
project either to be used as a dependency in VDSM or as a
daemon
<br>
alongside VDSM. This detail will be worked during
integration.
<br>
<br>
If the project is accepted and given it is our first
community submitted
<br>
project to be voted we will create an infrastructure setup
list which I
<br>
will record. This can then be used to make it easier for the
next
<br>
project joining.
<br>
<br>
Please vote -1, 0, +1 whether you would like to include this
project
<br>
into oVirt. I'll leave the vote open at least 72 hours.
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
It sounds like the next step is for the mom and vdsm project to
have a
<br>
discussion and come back to the list. The discussion should
clarify.
<br>
<br>
a.) mom is an additional daemon that wdsm would use
<br>
b.) mom is a library that vdsm would use
<br>
c.) mom gets included into vdsm.
<br>
<br>
Either (a or b) would mean we create another project. (c) would
mean we
<br>
deal with it as a code contribution to the vdsm project.
<br>
<br>
Anthony, Perry, I take it your concern is we don't want to setup
a
<br>
project if technically we include the mom as a code submission -
option
<br>
(c). I had assumed a or b, your concern as I read it is to rule
c
<br>
in/out before completed this vote.
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
Here is my +1,<br>
<br>
<br>
Here is the IRC log from our IRC channel discussing the issue with
Perry.<br>
<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:19:55 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>pmyers:
ping<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:19:59 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>pong<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:20:16 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>wanted
to kick around the comments on the vote a bit<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:20:57 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>Based
on Adams comments, as mom is also used by other projects, then those
users would need to move to vdsm if c was executed. As mom already
has other users I believe it may be more pragmatic to get results
using (a or b) and then we can always combine the projects if all
can be served from vdsm and if that simplifies things<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:21:01 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>thoughts?<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:21:11 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>well<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:21:18 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>if it
has other users outside of the oVirt use case<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:21:25 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>then
should it be in oVirt at all? :)<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:21:32 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>maybe
yes, but I just wanted to pose the question<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:21:32 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>why
not?<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:21:53 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>if
it focuses to serve oVirt then I would say yes.<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:22:02 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>well
things like libvirt and matahari don't make sense inside of oVirt
community because they have too many use cases outside of oVirt<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:22:06 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>it
could just be a lib that ovirt vdsm uses<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:22:07 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>at
least that was what we discussed<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:22:27 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>that
can be debated either way<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:22:31 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>yep<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:22:36 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>and
that's sort of what I'm debating here<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2">(04:22:41 PM) </font></span><b><font
size="3">djasa [<i>~djasa@ip-62-245-123-239.net.upcbroadband.cz</i>]
entered the room.</font></b><br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:22:44 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>i'm
not violently opposed to MOM being a full project<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:22:57 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>just
wanted to raise what I saw as a possible issue<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:22:57 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>point
is if someone wants to be in the community, and they add value and
integrate, then I believe we should say yes<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:23:01 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>ok<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:23:11 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>so you
would be open to matahari then? :)<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:23:13 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>I
agree with the question<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:23:18 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>yes,
I would<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:23:22 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>k<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:23:29 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>I
think it would help matahari with visibility etc<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:23:30 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>we can
circle back round to that question later<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:23:31 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>ack<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:23:38 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>then
no objection to MOM<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:23:53 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>my
only real concern was overhead of setting up lists and other infra<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:23:57 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>if in
the end it would be integrated<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:24:02 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>if it
looks like it will stay standalone<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:24:05 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>then
those concerns are moot<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:24:06 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>ack.<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:24:41 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>personally,
my guess is that it might want it's API to be integrated in vdsm and
if the users come across to vdsm then they should integrate<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:24:55 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>yeo<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:24:59 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>yep
that is<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:25:10 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>to
me the question is does the community figure this out over time, or
do we make them figure it out upfront.<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:25:19 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>heh<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:25:22 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>over
time :)<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:25:30 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>can't
make a community do anything by fiat<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:25:35 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>ack<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:25:57 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>ok,
based on this interaction, I'm going to vote +1.<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:26:17 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>do
you mind if I post the IRC log to the list?<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#f7483b">(04:26:36 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: normal;color: #f7483b;">pmyers: </span>nope,
go ahead<br>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><font size="2"><font
color="#204a87">(04:26:39 PM) </font></font></span><span
style="font-weight: bold;color: #204a87;">cctrieloff: </span>thx<br>
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