[ovirt-devel] [ovirt-users] [Feture discussion] Full vacuum tool

Wed Dec 7 19:55:43 UTC 2016

On 7 December 2016 at 21:44, Roy Golan <rgolan at redhat.com> wrote:

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> On 7 December 2016 at 21:00, Michal Skrivanek <mskrivan at redhat.com> wrote:
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>> On 07 Dec 2016, at 11:28, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul at redhat.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Roy Golan <rgolan at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
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>>> This is a discussion on the RFE[1] to provide a tool to perform full
>>> vacuum on our DBs.
>>>
>>> First if you are not familiar with vacuum please read this [2]
>>>
>>> # Backgroud
>>> ovirt 'engine' DB have several busy table with 2 differnt usage patten.
>>> One is audit_log and the others are the 'v*_statistics' tables and the
>>> difference between them is mostly inserts vs mostly hot updates.
>>> Tables with tons of updates creates garbage or 'dead' records that
>>> should be removed, and for this postgres have the aforementioned autovacuum
>>> cleaner. It will make the db reuse its already allocated space to perform
>>> future updates/inserts and so on.
>>> Autovacuum is essential for a db to function optimally and tweaking it
>>> is out of the scope of the feature.
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>>> Full vacuum is designed to reclaim the disk space and reset the table
>>> statistics. It is a heavy maintenance task, it takes an exclusive lock on
>>> the table and may take seconds to minutes. In some situations it is
>>> effectively a downtime due to the long table lock and should not be running
>>> when the engine is running.
>>>
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>> So, effectively this should be interesting mostly/only for the audit log.
>> All other busy table are mostly in-place updates
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> Given that autovacuum is performing well the yes but if it starts to fall
> behind this may help a bit.
> audit_log is insert mostly and also delete, we remove a day, each day.
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>>> # Critiria
>>> Provide a way to reclaim disk space claimed by the garbage created over
>>> time by the engine db and dwh.
>>>
>>> # Usage
>>> Either use it as part of the upgrade procedure (after all dbscipts
>>> execution)
>>>
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>> That does sound as a good start not requiring much user involvement
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>> or just provide the tool and admin will run in on demand
>>> - engine db credentials read from /etc/ovirt-engine/engine.conf.d/
>>> - invocation:
>>>  ```
>>>  tool: [dbname(default engine)] [table: (default all)]
>>>  ```
>>> - if we invoke it on upgrade than an installation plugin should be added
>>> to invoke with default, no interaction
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>> +1
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>> - since VACUUM ANALYZE is consider a recommended maintenance task we can
>>> to it by default and ask the user for FULL.
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>> When would you run it? ANALYZE nightly?
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>> No I'd still avoid doing this repeatedly, autovaccum should handle that
> as well, but this would cover situations where it isn't functioning
> optimally.
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> I think  its worth adding a report of the db status and the rate of the
> autovacuum (a slight midifed version of the query mskrivanek ran on one of
> the production systems [3])  that will go to the logcollector. Perhaps the
> output of the ANALYZE will help as well.
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> [3] https://gist.github.com/rgolangh/049cff30b89c5b29284ceee80a35db
> b4#file-table_status_by_dead_rows-sql
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Very interesting collection of pg scrips to measure bloat and vacuum -
needs access to postgres objects though

- https://github.com/pgexperts/pgx_scripts
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https://github.com/pgexperts/pgx_scripts/blob/master/bloat/table_bloat_check.sql
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https://github.com/pgexperts/pgx_scripts/blob/master/vacuum/last_autovacuum.sql

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>> Will the user know to answer intelligently if vacuum is needed or not?
>> Except for 'yes, you need it', we cannot even provide a time estimate (I
>> assume a disk space estimate is available!)
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>> perhaps we can estimate the bloat, there should be a github script to
> calculate that [4] not sure how good it is.
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>> I would suggest to run ANALYZE for sure and provide an option at the end
>> of installation, to run the required command line - so make it as
>> accessible as possible, but not part of the flow.
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>> If there are no significant gains why bother any other time but on
>> upgrade when it can be run unconditionally?
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>> I'm wondering if the community can run ANALYZE on their database, and we
>> can estimate how many are in dire need for full vacuum already.
>> Y.
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>> I'll send a different mail for that.
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>> - remote db is supported as well, doesn't have to be local
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>> Well, not sure if we need to bother. It was introduced for large
>> deployments where the host can't fit both engine and db load. Do we still
>> have this issue? I wouldn't say so for 4.1. It may be very niche case
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>> Running full vacuum is anyway a psql command, so there is no hidden cost
> here (to the development side I mean)
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>> Thanks,
>> michal
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>>> # Questions
>>>  - Will remote dwh have the credentials under
>>> /etc/ovirt-engine/engine.conf.d?
>>>  - Should  AAA schema be taken into account as well?
>>>
>>> Please review, thanks
>>> Roy
>>>
>>> [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1388430
>>> [2] https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/runtime-config-au
>>> tovacuum.html
>>> [3] https://www.postgresql.org/docs/devel/static/sql-vacuum.html
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