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<div class=" PlainText" data-focusfrompointer="true">Hello Again,<br>
<br>
I tend to keep state as-is, require tar at host machine.<br>
<br>
Whoever installs Fedora minimal should install tar manually.<br>
<br>
I hope Fedora people will add tar per some of the requests, as tar is important utility in *NIX environment.<br>
<br>
I do not think that the extra complexity is required.<br>
<br>
If you strongly think otherwise, then I prefer to merge the self extracting python script.<br>
<br>
Speak now, and emphasis.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Alon Bar-Lev.<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl@redhat.com><br>
> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org>, "arch" <arch@ovirt.org>, "engine-devel" <engine-devel@ovirt.org><br>
> Cc: "Juan Hernandez" <jhernand@redhat.com><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:12:03 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [Users] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19 misses tar at minimal setup<br>
> <br>
> Hello All,<br>
> <br>
> Starting the discussion again...<br>
> <br>
> I would like to receive feedback regarding how we should cope with a state<br>
> presented to use by Fedora.<br>
> <br>
> Fedora-19 minimal setup does not install tar utility which is required to<br>
> deploy files during the host-deploy process (Hosts->Add Host).<br>
> <br>
> I guess because of 2.8M in size (including translations) -- a standard<br>
> commonly used utility was removed.<br>
> <br>
> There are three alternatives :<br>
> <br>
> 1. Instruct users who are using minimal installations to manually install tar<br>
> utility just like they configure repository, dns, etc..<br>
> <br>
> Benefit: simplicity.<br>
> Benefit: use standard tools.<br>
> Benefit: lower payload to transmit.<br>
> Drawback: require tar at destination machine.<br>
> <br>
> 2. Do not use tar but self extracting python script, a patch is ready[1].<br>
> <br>
> Benefit: ability to deploy environment in which tar is missing.<br>
> Drawback: non standard tool at destination machine.<br>
> Drawback: complexity within our code.<br>
> <br>
> 3. Do not use tar but cpio, a patch is ready[2].<br>
> <br>
> Benefit: simplicity.<br>
> Benefit: use standard tools.<br>
> Benefit: lower payload to transmit.<br>
> Benefit: ability to use Fedora-19 minimal.<br>
> Drawback: cpio is even less common than tar, even if it exists in Fedora-19<br>
> it can be removed without anyone notice.<br>
> Drawback: most other distributions will not have cpio in their minimal<br>
> installation.<br>
> <br>
> [[[<br>
> There was 4rd alternative, using python tar module to deploy tar.<br>
> However, there is a bug in that module when processing last block if empty.<br>
> This is edge condition but happened to at least one of the users and I could<br>
> reproduce it.<br>
> ]]]<br>
> <br>
> What option do you prefer?<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Alon Bar-Lev<br>
> <br>
> [1] <a tabindex="-1" href="http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/17295/">http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/17295/</a><br>
> [2] <a tabindex="-1" href="http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/17396/">http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/17396/</a><br>
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