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Hi all,<br>
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From what I understood, we don't need rush to update to Bootstrap 4.
instead of that, we should evaluate how much benefits and impacts it
will deliver for the projects.<br>
<br>
About Bootgrid vs Database.net, seems it is more aboit documentation
and support than using Bootstrap 4 or not.<br>
Samuel, Chandra, could you compare those two widgets (Bootgrid and
Database.net) and check which one is better for our matters?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Aline Manera<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/24/2016 09:19 AM, Samuel Henrique
De Oliveira Guimaraes wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kimchi-devel-bounces@ovirt.org">kimchi-devel-bounces@ovirt.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kimchi-devel-bounces@ovirt.org">mailto:kimchi-devel-bounces@ovirt.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Atreye Mukhopadhyay<br>
<b>Sent:</b> terça-feira, 24 de maio de 2016 08:19<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kimchi-devel@ovirt.org">kimchi-devel@ovirt.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Kimchi-devel] [WOK] [RFC} Checking
Bootstrap 4 compatibility + dropping jQuery Bootgrid<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I agree with
Daniel and Chandra. We should wait for stable bootstrap 4
version.<br>
<br>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 5/24/2016 4:38 PM,
Daniel Henrique Barboza wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 05/24/2016 05:58 AM, Chandra Shekhar
Reddy Potula wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/23/16 10:30 PM, Samuel Henrique
De Oliveira Guimaraes wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi team,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Last year Twitter
announced the new version of Bootstrap. Wok currently
uses a customized version of Bootstrap 3 Sass / SCSS
files and looking at the Alpha code it seems that
porting Wok to the new version won’t be difficult:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://v4-alpha.getbootstrap.com/migration/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://v4-alpha.getbootstrap.com/migration/">http://v4-alpha.getbootstrap.com/migration/</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR">Samuel,
Thanks for the RFC !!!<br>
For my education, is this official final bootstrap 4
version or is it still kind of non stable version (alpha
sounds like that to me) ? If so when will be the
official bootstrap 4 ?</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:72.0pt"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US">Yes, it is an Alpha version and they are
still working and providing support for Bootstrap 3.
They don’t post a roadmap but judging by Bootstrap 3
release log, they took almost a year to move from RC2 to
the first stable release, however, their community is
bigger now and I don’t think they discarded everything
from the old code in this new version so it may take
less time until we have a public stable release. This is
just a study for future Wok releases.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Browser Support:
Ok!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-SCSS environment:
Ok!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Dropped
glyphicons: Ok! We already use Font-Awesome<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Non-responsive
usage of Bootstrap is no longer supported: Ok!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I recognize some
classes from this document and I think that a minor
drawback would be with the Media Queries that were
already implemented throughout the application and
some changes with the classes names. Ginger uses a lot
of “panel-“ classes that were replaced by “cards”, the
“btn-default” button was renamed to “btn-secondary”
and etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The major issue is
with jQuery Bootgrid plugin. It seems that they’re not
planning to port to Bootstrap 4 until it gets stable.
I think we should port our jQuery Bootgrid code to
Datatables.net, since it has a vast documentation and
it already supports Bootstrap 4:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://datatables.net/examples/styling/bootstrap4.html"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatables.net/examples/styling/bootstrap4.html">https://datatables.net/examples/styling/bootstrap4.html</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Any comments? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR">This will
be major concerns as I feel lot of work if we have to do
this.<br>
<br>
When you say "</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US">It seems that they’re not planning to port
to Bootstrap 4 until it gets stable"? Do you mean until
bootstrap 4 not stabilized bootgrid team will not port
or bootgrid itself have stabilization issues and they
would not port until they stabilize bootgrid ?</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:72.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0cm"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:72.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0cm"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US">I’ve meant until Bootgrid is more stable
and Bootstrap 4 final is released. They (Bootgrid team)
don’t have any roadmap on their project, I’ve searched
the Github page and found nothing. I’ll try to reach the
author to get a confirmation but the main reason why I
suggested Datatables.net is due documentation and
support. Datatables code is under MIT and they have a
paid and free support forums.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:72.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0cm"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US">I may have to install Bootstrap 4 alpha and
jQuery Bootgrid current version to test compatibility
but we already applied our styles over Bootgrid /
Bootstrap tables and they work fine so we don’t have to
discard them if Bootstrap 4 final is released and
Bootgrid isn’t updated, as long as the JS keeps working
without any error. With Sass it is really easy to
“namespace” some classes and keep the old Bootstrap
table classes with the new ones if necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:144.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0cm"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US">I did some digging and so far the only
incompatible items I’ve seen are the Sort / Unsort icons
and the pagination links (prev, next, first, last and
the numbers). Within our Wok customization we already
replaced the sort icons with FontAwesome and I’m sure it
is not difficult to replace the pagination links if we
have to.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
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If we have an answer that bootgrid team will wait till
bootstrap 4 get stabilized then I would not hurry in
porting our jQuery Bootgrid code to Datatables.net,
since it will involve huge effort in porting and at the
same time in testing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR" lang="EN-US"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR">I agree.
Perhaps we should wait until Bootstrap 4 is stable too ...<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="EN-US">I didn’t say that we should hurry and get the
new Bootstrap as soon as it is released but we should keep
an eye for the changes and measure the efforts in case we
decide to update. Bootstrap 3.3.6 had tons of fixes and
changes from Bootstrap 3.2.0 for instance, mainly in JS
but some in the CSS to support new and old browsers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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So in my opinion, readiness is good idea but at the
same time we have to make sure we are not spending
efforts in porting any of the existing code unless we
know that there will be no support at all !!!<br>
<br>
We have to take conscious decision !!! <br>
<br>
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Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Samuel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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