[moVirt] Some thoughts about moVirt

Tue Feb 10 09:51:04 UTC 2015

Any reason not to take this thread to devel at ovirt.org?

On 10/02/15 11:01, Yair Zaslavsky wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > movirt at ovirt.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:05:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> >> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> >> <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> >> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> >> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> >> movirt at ovirt.org
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:50:31 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>
> >> Ok, so I'm waiting for some documentation on how I can start working on
> >> movirt
> >
> > good start is this - a step by step how to setup the devel env:
> > https://github.com/matobet/movirt
> >
> >> - i.e - I'm at my other in law's house - we have DSL modem  +
> >> wireless network at home.
> >> I have Galaxy note S4, linux machine
> >
> > this is fine
> >
> >> + eclipse  + android plugin. Now what?
> >
> > this is not :) eclipse has been pretty much abandoned by google and setting
> > up the devel env in it is somewhere in between impossible and totally
> > impossible.
> > Just follow the description from the page above - you need the
> > http://tools.android.com/download/studio/canary/1-0-0
> >
> > Than you can use this IDE to either open an emulator of the android device
> > (if you have strong machine it is fine) or you can connect your phone using
> > USB to the machine and
> > deploy movirt to it directly (it supports also remote debug, logs etc).
> >
> >> How can I "surf" from my mobile device to a local oVirt installation?
> >
> > so, if the machine with ovirt is connected to the wifi router and your mobile
> > is connected to the same router, you are on the same network. So lets say
> > the engine's ip is:
> > 192.169.122.2
> > and it is listening on https, than in movirt in settings page fill something
> > like this:
> > https://192.169.122.2:443/ovirt-engine/api
> > and in the same settings pick "Disable HTTPS" to avoid to play with the
> > certs.
> >
> > Tomas
>
> I feel so ashamed now :) I should have realized by myself about the surfing part. This is similar to how my engine connects to my host at home :)
>
> >
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Yair
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> >>> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >>> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> >>> <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> >>> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> >>> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> >>> movirt at ovirt.org
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39:14 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >>>> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> >>>> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> >>>> <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> >>>> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> >>>> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> >>>> movirt at ovirt.org
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> >>>>> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >>>>> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> >>>>> <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> >>>>> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> >>>>> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> >>>>> movirt at ovirt.org
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >>>>>> To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>
> >>>>>> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> >>>>>> <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> >>>>>> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> >>>>>> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> >>>>>> movirt at ovirt.org
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> >>>>>>> <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> >>>>>>> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>,
> >>>>>>> "sphoorti
> >>>>>>> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> >>>>>>> movirt at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> >>>>>>>> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>,
> >>>>>>>> "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Martin
> >>>>>>>> Polednik"
> >>>>>>>> <mpoledni at redhat.com>, movirt at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> >>>>>>>>> <doron at redhat.com>,
> >>>>>>>>> "sphoorti joglekar"
> >>>>>>>>> <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
> >>>>>>>>> <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> >>>>>>>>>> <doron at redhat.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>> "sphoorti joglekar"
> >>>>>>>>>> <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
> >>>>>>>>>> <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get
> >>>>>>>>>>> involved
> >>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>> moVirt.
> >>>>>>>>>>> For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get
> >>>>>>>>>>> soon
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> "monster
> >>>>>>>>>>> machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ok,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>> install
> >>>>>>>>>>> ovirt all-in-one on it, now what?
> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't even know how to configure browsing via the
> >>>>>>>>>>> mobile
> >>>>>>>>>>> device
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>> home
> >>>>>>>>>>> network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is
> >>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> "strictly
> >>>>>>>>>>> moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will
> >>>>>>>>>>> ease
> >>>>>>>>>>> others
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> start
> >>>>>>>>>>> developing. I would like to know how I can start
> >>>>>>>>>>> contributing
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> moVirt.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the
> >>>>>>>>>>> technology?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Native
> >>>>>>>>>>> Java
> >>>>>>>>>>> ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should
> >>>>>>>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>>>>>>> somehow
> >>>>>>>>>>> others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yair
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Oops, sorry for that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D
> >>>>>>>>>> I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation,
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> may
> >>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>> plans
> >>>>>>>>>> to do more?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem +
> >>>>>>>>> router
> >>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>> home,
> >>>>>>>>> how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>> router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see
> >>>>>>>> oVirt
> >>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>> mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
> >>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>> On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It
> >>>>>>>> contains
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some
> >>>>>>>> documentation
> >>>>>>>> on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env.
> >>>>>>>> Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But
> >>>>>>>> please
> >>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>> sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> wiki
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal
> >>>>>>>> consequences
> >>>>>>>> :D
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just
> >>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> fill
> >>>>>>>> the API URL, name and password.
> >>>>>>>> Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> CA
> >>>>>>>> cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the
> >>>>>>>> proper
> >>>>>>>> URL
> >>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>> stated in the cert.
> >>>>>>>> For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable
> >>>>>>>> HTTPS"
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with
> >>>>>>>> IP)
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> without cert imported.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't
> >>>>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>>>> considered.
> >>>>>>>>>> Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular
> >>>>>>>>>> among
> >>>>>>>>>> server
> >>>>>>>>>> admin types? Not sure.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on
> >>>>>>>> blackberry
> >>>>>>>> :)
> >>>>>>>> Even
> >>>>>>>> the devel env with debugger etc(!!!)
> >>>>>>>> Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure -
> >>>>>>>> Martin?
> >>>>>>>> Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very
> >>>>>>>> insterested
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very
> >>>>>>>> uncertain
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>> sure
> >>>>>>>> who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Heya,
> >>>>>>> I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've
> >>>>>>> started
> >>>>>>> designing
> >>>>>>> the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were
> >>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone
> >>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> first
> >>>>>>> iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile
> >>>>>>> development
> >>>>>>> overall
> >>>>>>> is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or
> >>>>>>> developing
> >>>>>>> two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What about porting of spice client to IOS?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> work
> >>>>> porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cool! I did not think about it :)
> >>>> Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
> >>>
> >>> Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients
> >>> for
> >>> iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us.
> >>> But I would be very surprised if none...
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> porting a console for it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ok, good to know.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Greg
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >