From rbergero at redhat.com  Fri Sep  2 05:47:34 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 01:47:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Weekly Sync Call
Message-ID: <1277755533.280854.1314942454406.JavaMail.root@zmail06.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

The following meeting has been modified:

Subject: oVirt Weekly Sync Call 
Organizer: "Robyn Bergeron" <rbergero at redhat.com> 

Location: Bridge info listed in invite 
Time: 7:00:00 AM - 7:30:00 AM GMT -07:00 Arizona [MODIFIED]
 Recurrence : Every 1 weeks on  No end date Effective Aug 31, 2011

Invitees: project-planning at ovirt.org; "Perry Myers" <pmyers at redhat.com>; "Michael D Day" <mdday at us.ibm.com>; "Mendoza, Adam" <Adam.Mendoza at netapp.com>; "Jim Wasko Jr" <waskoj at us.ibm.com>; "Sousou, Imad" <imad.sousou at intel.com>; "Frank Novak/Watson/IBM" <fnovak at us.ibm.com>; "Livnat Peer" <lpeer at redhat.com>; "Barak Azulay" <bazulay at redhat.com>; "Benedict, Jon" <Jon.Benedict at netapp.com>;  ... 


*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

oVirt project launch synchronization call. 

* Wednesdays, 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 7:00am US Pacific) 
* Shared document: (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

== Conference Call Info == 

* Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679 
* International dial-in listed below 
* Conference Code: 9197544554 

If you are not actively participating in the conversation 
please put your line on mute to make it easier for all 
participants to hear. 

*6 -- Mute your line 
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From iheim at redhat.com  Fri Sep  2 07:43:35 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 03:43:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of
> Robyn Bergeron
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 22:13 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
> 
> oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes
> 
> Wednesday, Aug 31 2011, 17:30 UTC (1:30pm US Eastern, 10:30am US
Pacific)
> NOTE: Meeting moves next week, details in minutes below.

A heads up that due to holidays the following dates are holidays for the
TLV team:
Wednesday-Thursday - September 28th-29th
Wednesday-Thursday - October 12th-13th
Wednesday-Thursday - October 19th-20th

Thanks,
   Itamar

> 
> == Invitees/Attendees ==
> project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers
> 
> Present:
> Andy Cathrow (Red Hat)
> Mike Evans (Red Hat)
> Itamar Heim (Red Hat)
> Jim Jagielski (Red Hat)
> Mike Day (IBM)
> Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat)
> Perry Myers (Red Hat)
> Karsten Wade (Red hat)
> Adam Mendoza (NetApp)
> Jim Wasko (IBM)
> Ryan Harper (IBM)
> 
> (If I missed your name, again, sorry - a ton of noise all at once. I may
> drop the attendees section in the future since meeting notes reflect a
> lot of the participation - takes too much time out of a short meeting to
> try and capture who is on.)
> 
> == Project Schedule ==
> * Confirm initial project invites by September 14
> * Website Launch - September
> * oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th)
> * Community startup @ workshop
> * Press release post-workshop
> * Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need
list)
> * Governance
> * How to get involved
> * Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November
> (need list)
> * Source code release
> * ??
> * First release - January/February.
> 
> == Working Shared Document ==
>
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> == Week's Action Items ==
> 
>   * Everyone: Please notify Carl or Robyn of people not yet subscribed
> to project-planning mailing list that should be. (ongoing)
>   * Everyone: list speaking/engagement opportunities in the Google Doc,
> use times to advertise workshop. (Section 8) (ongoing)
>   * Action: Robyn to continue driving Workshop location / participation
> on list.
>   * Action: All - Need to add companies we are in discussions with ((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html),
> (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) for example) to invite list for workshop
>   * Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on
> positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
>   * Action: Jim J. to follow up with Karsten / Carl on first draft of
> website content.
>   * Action: Robyn/Andy to work on updated slide set to send out.
>   * Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on
> positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
>   * Action: Andy to loop back with Mike Day on contact details for (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>   * Action: Robyn to send out updated meeting invites
>   * Action: Mike Day to look into other parts of Intel - querying Mike
> Richmond from Intel from systems management perspective.
>   * Action: Ryan/Mike of IBM to follow up with Anthony on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> convo (or Anthony can provide an update as well)
> 
> 
> == Agenda ==
> 
> 1) Board invites, status (Mike)
> * New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
>   * SUSE (Carl) - now confirmed
>   * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>   *  (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.) - need update.
>   * New status Mike day is aware of:
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waitng to hear back from people in Virt.
>     * Action: Andy to loop back with Mike Day on contact details for (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>   * Other:
>     * Other folks on call / list are allowed to speak with other
> potential invites
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) as prospect - 
>     * Mike Day to look into other parts of Intel - querying Mike
> Richmond from Intel from systems management perspective.
> 
> 2) Settle ongoing meeting time slot
>   * Agreed - 10am Wednesdays
>   * Robyn to send out updated invites
> 
> 3) Updated slide set (Robyn)
>   * Things to update:
>     * Consistent feedback has been:
>       * How do we envision the board - when is the board elected - etc.
>       * Info on board being fluid, larger, more board members
>       * NEED TO: Crisp up slides that clarify board role and members
>     * How does this relate to OpenStack, other projects that may be a
> conflict
>       * Need to be clear about why it's not a conflict
>       * Define plans on interaction with other communities
>       * NEED TO add FAQ or slide to stack re: Other communities.
>     * Slides around deliverables - define what RHEV was or IS
>     * Need to update with current board members, schedule., workshop
info.
>     * Action: Robyn/Andy to work on updated slide set to send out.
>   * Need additional slide set to send out to non-board but community
> participants, esp. to get participation in the initial workshop.
>     * To be a condensed version of Board slide deck
>     * Action pending Robyn/Andy update of original slide deck.
> 
> 4) OpenStack discussion (added mid-meeting)
>   * Everyone in industry has joined
>   * Why are we competing
>   * IBM doesn't want support/sponsorship of oVirt to say anything about
> what they are doing or plan to do with OpenStack.
>   * Team Thoughts:
>     * We may be conflicting at some point
>     * OS is not nearly as open of a community, really only 2 companies
> rep'd on board
>     * More of a cloud vendor solution, oVirt more of a data center virt
> solution
>     * OpenStack not as concerned with Data Center solutions
>     * OpenStack can build on top of oVirt, in addition to Nova
>     * We are KVM specific
>     * We don't restrict our scope - open to a wide range of
contributions
>     * Key differentiator - we are focused on building a community from
> the ground up, that develops the open source projecss and projects,
> board is not restricting/driving direction
>     * Following the Open Source Way
>   * Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on
> positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
>   * Jim J. happy to take lead on any specific community questions people
> have.
> 
> 4) Website launch (Karsten, Carl, Jim J.)
>   * Status on first-pass of site content
>   * Jim has started drafting some content/blog post for an intro. He's
> going to clean up and send to Karsten / Carl for feedback.
>   * Karsten is working on getting up a wiki instance in a private space
> for us in the meantime, should be up in the next week.
> 
> 5) oVirt Workshop / Summit (Karsten/Robyn)
>   * Workshop participation - attendee list status (Robyn)
>     * We still need names. PLEASE ADD THEM.
>     * Please reach out to your teams internally or add their names
> proactively.
>     * Action: If you were a touch point in inviting someone to the board
> who is NOT representing on the Workshop list - please reach out to them.
>   * Location
>     * Tentatively considering colocation with LinuxCon Europe.
>     * WANT TO DECIDE BY END OF WEEK.
>   * Action: Robyn to continue driving on list.
>   * Action: Need to add companies we are in discussions with ((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> for example) to invite list.
>   * Non-Board invitees - Need to frame how to invite.
>     * Pending updated slideset for non-board members.
>   * Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list:
>
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> 6) Governance Docs (Carl)
>   * Carl out this week.
> 
> 7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
>   * Need more discussion on google doc - Robyn to prod on mailing list.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From jimjag at redhat.com  Fri Sep  2 12:27:05 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 08:27:05 -0400
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
In-Reply-To: <0d9c01cc6943$cfd09360$6f71ba20$@com>
References: <4E5E87B5.5030607@redhat.com> <0d9c01cc6943$cfd09360$6f71ba20$@com>
Message-ID: <C0CBBD61-81A8-4ECD-983F-DAA2FA4FE926@redhat.com>

I've shared the latest slides and info with (NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) ...

We have a chat planed for next week...


From kwade at redhat.com  Fri Sep  2 17:10:56 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:10:56 -0700
Subject: workshop at Linuxcon? or ...
Message-ID: <20110902171056.GB7176@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>

In order to figure out where to have a workshop end of
October/November timeframe, we need to know what works best for the
majority of attendees.

Right now the majority of the people who are on this spreadsheet ...

(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

... are from one company (Red Hat). Based on what we see there, an
East Coast of the US or European location look best.

If you want to be sure that we are choosing with you in mind, you need
to be on that spreadsheet. This kick-off workshop is going to be very
important, so we want as many of us there as possible.

I'm going to contact the Linux Foundation about the possibility of
having a workshop in advance of or following the Linuxcon in Prague
(26 to 28 October.)

If we don't get more information from all of you, the group will have
to decide on a location based on what we know. At the moment, the best
fit seems to be Linuxcon or RTP North Carolina.

- Karsten
-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
uri:             http://communityleadershipteam.org
                        http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
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From mdday at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  2 17:16:44 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 13:16:44 -0400
Subject: workshop at Linuxcon? or ...
In-Reply-To: <20110902171056.GB7176@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
References: <20110902171056.GB7176@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
Message-ID: <OF55A7D502.F36D8A28-ON852578FF.005ED598-852578FF.005EEAAF@us.ibm.com>


Agreed, in particular we need to hear from Intel and Cisco, I'm probably
forgetting one or two other Western US -centric organizations.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: 919 412-3900 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org





From:	Karsten Wade <kwade at redhat.com>
To:	project-planning at ovirt.org
Date:	09/02/2011 01:11 PM
Subject:	workshop at Linuxcon? or ...
Sent by:	project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org



In order to figure out where to have a workshop end of
October/November timeframe, we need to know what works best for the
majority of attendees.

Right now the majority of the people who are on this spreadsheet ...

(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)


... are from one company (Red Hat). Based on what we see there, an
East Coast of the US or European location look best.

If you want to be sure that we are choosing with you in mind, you need
to be on that spreadsheet. This kick-off workshop is going to be very
important, so we want as many of us there as possible.

I'm going to contact the Linux Foundation about the possibility of
having a workshop in advance of or following the Linuxcon in Prague
(26 to 28 October.)

If we don't get more information from all of you, the group will have
to decide on a location based on what we know. At the moment, the best
fit seems to be Linuxcon or RTP North Carolina.

- Karsten
--
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
uri:             http://communityleadershipteam.org
                        http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
gpg:                                       AD0E0C41
[attachment "attwhijl.dat" deleted by Michael D Day/Raleigh/IBM]
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From jimjag at redhat.com  Fri Sep  2 17:39:08 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 13:39:08 -0400
Subject: workshop at Linuxcon? or ...
In-Reply-To: <OF55A7D502.F36D8A28-ON852578FF.005ED598-852578FF.005EEAAF@us.ibm.com>
References: <20110902171056.GB7176@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
	<OF55A7D502.F36D8A28-ON852578FF.005ED598-852578FF.005EEAAF@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <EF974A27-EB2D-48B6-93CC-236AA2EB76DE@redhat.com>

Let me know who I can contact and follow-up/follow-thru
with.

On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Michael D Day wrote:

> Agreed, in particular we need to hear from Intel and Cisco, I'm probably forgetting one or two other Western US -centric organizations.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike Day
> IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
> Cell: 919 412-3900 | mdday at us.ibm.com
> http://code.ncultra.org
> 
> 
> 
> <graycol.gif>Karsten Wade ---09/02/2011 01:11:10 PM---In order to figure out where to have a workshop end of October/November timeframe, we need to know w
> 
> From:	Karsten Wade <kwade at redhat.com>
> To:	project-planning at ovirt.org
> Date:	09/02/2011 01:11 PM
> Subject:	workshop at Linuxcon? or ...
> Sent by:	project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> 
> 
> 
> In order to figure out where to have a workshop end of
> October/November timeframe, we need to know what works best for the
> majority of attendees.
> 
> Right now the majority of the people who are on this spreadsheet ...
> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> ... are from one company (Red Hat). Based on what we see there, an
> East Coast of the US or European location look best.
> 
> If you want to be sure that we are choosing with you in mind, you need
> to be on that spreadsheet. This kick-off workshop is going to be very
> important, so we want as many of us there as possible.
> 
> I'm going to contact the Linux Foundation about the possibility of
> having a workshop in advance of or following the Linuxcon in Prague
> (26 to 28 October.)
> 
> If we don't get more information from all of you, the group will have
> to decide on a location based on what we know. At the moment, the best
> fit seems to be Linuxcon or RTP North Carolina.
> 
> - Karsten
> -- 
> name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
> team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
> uri:             http://communityleadershipteam.org
>                        http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
> gpg:                                       AD0E0C41
> [attachment "attwhijl.dat" deleted by Michael D Day/Raleigh/IBM] _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

--
Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep  6 14:29:12 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:29:12 -0400
Subject: workshop at Linuxcon? or ...
In-Reply-To: <20110902171056.GB7176@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
References: <20110902171056.GB7176@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
Message-ID: <4E662E38.3070601@redhat.com>

On 09/02/2011 01:10 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> In order to figure out where to have a workshop end of
> October/November timeframe, we need to know what works best for the
> majority of attendees.
>
> Right now the majority of the people who are on this spreadsheet ...
>
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>
> ... are from one company (Red Hat). Based on what we see there, an
> East Coast of the US or European location look best.

Few comments.

Firstly, the workshop is for the teams that are in to get to know the
details of the code, engineers meet etc. For this the spreadsheet is good

However, hopefully in two weeks or so we will start inviting anyone that
could be remotely interested to the workshop coming. For this the the
relative convenience for us is less relevant.

We can discuss and sort this tomorrow on the call.

Regards
Carl.




From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep  6 14:31:14 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:31:14 -0400
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
In-Reply-To: <C0CBBD61-81A8-4ECD-983F-DAA2FA4FE926@redhat.com>
References: <4E5E87B5.5030607@redhat.com> <0d9c01cc6943$cfd09360$6f71ba20$@com>
	<C0CBBD61-81A8-4ECD-983F-DAA2FA4FE926@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E662EB2.3060100@redhat.com>


thx


On 09/02/2011 08:27 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> I've shared the latest slides and info with (NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) ...
>
> We have a chat planed for next week...
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From kwade at redhat.com  Tue Sep  6 17:40:10 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:40:10 -0700
Subject: update on Linuxcon potential venue
Message-ID: <20110906174010.GZ6652@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>

Folks:

Figured we should move in parallel on Linuxcon Prague as a potential
location for our workshop. I am now in contact with the event manager,
and have filled her in on the generalities and event specifics.

One item we need to consider immediately is budget. Planning this
close to the event may mean we take on more costs than if e.g. any of
us had the workshop included as part of our sponsorship for
Linuxcon. I've given Linux Foundation some basic specs - one big room,
four smaller breakout spaces, wireless connectivity, simple
refreshments. The dates I chose were the three days prior to the
conference - Sun, Mon, and Tue (23 to 25 October.)

I also asked the Linux Foundation to consider how they might be a
sponsor of the workshop. To lend support to that, I offered to bring
them in to the fold about the oVirt Project reboot. Under normal
circumstances, the oVirt workshop would be just the kind of thing the
Linux Foundation would support and sponsor. At this point, it would be
great to get a break on pricing and maybe gain some logistical support
for the workshop.

When I get some pricing and such, I'll share back to this list
whatever details I can put in the public record.

- Karsten
-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
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                        http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep  6 17:47:44 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:47:44 -0400
Subject: update on Linuxcon potential venue
In-Reply-To: <20110906174010.GZ6652@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
References: <20110906174010.GZ6652@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
Message-ID: <4E665CC0.8050408@redhat.com>



Thanks Karsten,

I have also just spoken to Mike, who is looking into the facility in CA
for the 25th / 26th. Between these two we have a great choice and should
be able to settle the location and dates this week,

Carl.




On 09/06/2011 01:40 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> Folks:
>
> Figured we should move in parallel on Linuxcon Prague as a potential
> location for our workshop. I am now in contact with the event manager,
> and have filled her in on the generalities and event specifics.
>
> One item we need to consider immediately is budget. Planning this
> close to the event may mean we take on more costs than if e.g. any of
> us had the workshop included as part of our sponsorship for
> Linuxcon. I've given Linux Foundation some basic specs - one big room,
> four smaller breakout spaces, wireless connectivity, simple
> refreshments. The dates I chose were the three days prior to the
> conference - Sun, Mon, and Tue (23 to 25 October.)
>
> I also asked the Linux Foundation to consider how they might be a
> sponsor of the workshop. To lend support to that, I offered to bring
> them in to the fold about the oVirt Project reboot. Under normal
> circumstances, the oVirt workshop would be just the kind of thing the
> Linux Foundation would support and sponsor. At this point, it would be
> great to get a break on pricing and maybe gain some logistical support
> for the workshop.
>
> When I get some pricing and such, I'll share back to this list
> whatever details I can put in the public record.
>
> - Karsten
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

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From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep  6 19:43:45 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:43:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: update on Linuxcon potential venue
In-Reply-To: <4E665CC0.8050408@redhat.com>
References: <20110906174010.GZ6652@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
	<4E665CC0.8050408@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <08c101cc6ccd$082ec4c0$188c4e40$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 20:48 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: update on Linuxcon potential venue
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Karsten,
> 
> I have also just spoken to Mike, who is looking into the facility in CA
for the 25th / 26th. Between these
> two we have a great choice and should be able to settle the location and
dates this week,

If we skip linuxcox, why compete with its dates for a west coast one?
Is there a reason you are pushing for CA rather than Europe or east coast
with so many participants from EMEA?

> 
> Carl.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/06/2011 01:40 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> 
> 	Folks:
> 
> 	Figured we should move in parallel on Linuxcon Prague as a
potential
> 	location for our workshop. I am now in contact with the event
manager,
> 	and have filled her in on the generalities and event specifics.
> 
> 	One item we need to consider immediately is budget. Planning this
> 	close to the event may mean we take on more costs than if e.g. any
of
> 	us had the workshop included as part of our sponsorship for
> 	Linuxcon. I've given Linux Foundation some basic specs - one big
room,
> 	four smaller breakout spaces, wireless connectivity, simple
> 	refreshments. The dates I chose were the three days prior to the
> 	conference - Sun, Mon, and Tue (23 to 25 October.)
> 
> 	I also asked the Linux Foundation to consider how they might be a
> 	sponsor of the workshop. To lend support to that, I offered to
bring
> 	them in to the fold about the oVirt Project reboot. Under normal
> 	circumstances, the oVirt workshop would be just the kind of thing
the
> 	Linux Foundation would support and sponsor. At this point, it
would be
> 	great to get a break on pricing and maybe gain some logistical
support
> 	for the workshop.
> 
> 	When I get some pricing and such, I'll share back to this list
> 	whatever details I can put in the public record.
> 
> 	- Karsten
> 
> 
> 
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	Project-planning mailing list
> 	Project-planning at ovirt.org
> 	http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep  6 19:46:46 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:46:46 -0400
Subject: update on Linuxcon potential venue
In-Reply-To: <08c101cc6ccd$082ec4c0$188c4e40$@com>
References: <20110906174010.GZ6652@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
	<4E665CC0.8050408@redhat.com> <08c101cc6ccd$082ec4c0$188c4e40$@com>
Message-ID: <4E6678A6.5010603@redhat.com>

On 09/06/2011 03:43 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> > Thanks Karsten,
>> > 
>> > I have also just spoken to Mike, who is looking into the facility in CA
> for the 25th / 26th. Between these
>> > two we have a great choice and should be able to settle the location and
> dates this week,
>
> If we skip linuxcox, why compete with its dates for a west coast one?
> Is there a reason you are pushing for CA rather than Europe or east coast
> with so many participants from EMEA?
>


been on vacation, forgot about the date conflict. will sort it out tomorrow

Carl.



From rbergero at redhat.com  Tue Sep  6 21:02:42 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:02:42 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Agenda :: 2011-09-07
Message-ID: <4E668A72.5050107@redhat.com>

Please note the new meeting time tomorrow, listed in agenda below - you 
should have received an updated meeting invite.

If you are new to the list and do not currently have an invite on your 
calendar for the sync call, let me know.

Thanks,

-Robyn


oVirt Sync Call Agenda

Wednesday, September 7, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am US 
Pacific)

== Intercall Conference ==
Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679
International Dial-In Number: (212) 729-5016
Other Toll-Free Dial-In Numbers: Listed in meeting invite

Conference code: 9197544554

If you are not actively participating in the conversation
please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to hear.
*6 -- Mute your line
#6 -- Unmute your line

== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers

== Project Schedule ==
* Confirm initial project invites by September 14
* Website Launch - September
* oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th)
* Community startup @ workshop
* Press release post-workshop
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need list)
* Governance
* How to get involved
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November 
(need list)
* Source code release
* ??
* First release - January/February.

== Working Shared Document ==
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

== Agenda ==

1) Board invites, status
* New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
* Confirmed but additional follow-up
     * Intel (additional contacts) (Mike Day)

2) Project launch status
     * Announcement date
     * Need bullet list of remaining tasks before announcement date, 
schedule
     * PR resources

3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
* Workshop participation - attendee list status
* Settle date/location
* Next Steps
* Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list
         * (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

4) Updated Slide Deck Status (Andy)

5) Positioning/Differentiation Points (Karsten)
     * Need to add to updated slide deck

6) Governance Docs (Carl)
     * Status

7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
     * Other mailing lists
     * Source code release

8) Your Agenda Item Here

== Previous Action Items ==
  * Action: All - Need to add companies we are in discussions with ((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), 
(COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) for example) to invite list for workshop
  * Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on 
positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
  * Action: Jim J. to follow up with Karsten / Carl on first draft of 
website content.
  * Action: Robyn/Andy to work on updated slide set to send out.
  * Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on 
positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities.
  * Action: Andy to loop back with Mike Day on contact details for (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
  * Action: Robyn to send out updated meeting invites
  * Action: Mike Day to look into other parts of Intel - querying Mike 
Richmond from Intel from systems management perspective.
  * Action: Ryan/Mike of IBM to follow up with Anthony on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) 
convo (or Anthony can provide an update as well)


From fnovak at us.ibm.com  Tue Sep  6 14:42:04 2011
From: fnovak at us.ibm.com (Frank Novak)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 22:42:04 +0800
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
In-Reply-To: <4E662EB2.3060100@redhat.com>
References: <4E5E87B5.5030607@redhat.com>
	<0d9c01cc6943$cfd09360$6f71ba20$@com>	<C0CBBD61-81A8-4ECD-983F-DAA2FA4FE926@redhat.com>
	<4E662EB2.3060100@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <OFE6A187A6.FAA89937-ON48257903.0050933F-48257903.0050C177@us.ibm.com>

So just want to confirm, the call is tomorrow, Wednesday at 10am Eastern?
I didn't get invite.. not sure who else didn't, though understand some
did...
And the number is same as some time in past?

Cheers,
Frank

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Frank Novak  ( ?? nu??f?n )
STSM, SCEM Open Hypervisor
IBM Linux Technology Center
Internet:   fnovak at us.ibm.com  ;  Notes:   Frank Novak/Watson/IBM @IBMUS
Home Office & Fax: 720-396-8499 ; China cell :(86) 1-352-154-7036
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



From:	Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>
To:	project-planning at ovirt.org
Date:	09/06/2011 10:34 PM
Subject:	Re: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
Sent by:	project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org




thx


On 09/02/2011 08:27 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> I've shared the latest slides and info with Sam Ramji, previously
> from Microsoft and currently with the OpenShift Foundation (of which
> I'm also a Director) and the recently announced Open Cloud Initiative
> (OCI). He works for Apigee.
>
> We have a chat planed for next week...
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

_______________________________________________
Project-planning mailing list
Project-planning at ovirt.org
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

From rbergero at redhat.com  Wed Sep  7 01:03:07 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:03:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
In-Reply-To: <OFE6A187A6.FAA89937-ON48257903.0050933F-48257903.0050C177@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <891311711.16829.1315357387617.JavaMail.root@zmail06.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

Yes, tomorrow at 10am eastern, same dial-in info.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Novak" <fnovak at us.ibm.com>
To: cctrieloff at redhat.com
Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 7:42:04 AM
Subject: Re: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31

So just want to confirm, the call is tomorrow, Wednesday at 10am Eastern?
I didn't get invite.. not sure who else didn't, though understand some
did...
And the number is same as some time in past?

Cheers,
Frank

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Frank Novak  ( ?? nu??f?n )
STSM, SCEM Open Hypervisor
IBM Linux Technology Center
Internet:   fnovak at us.ibm.com  ;  Notes:   Frank Novak/Watson/IBM @IBMUS
Home Office & Fax: 720-396-8499 ; China cell :(86) 1-352-154-7036
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



From:	Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>
To:	project-planning at ovirt.org
Date:	09/06/2011 10:34 PM
Subject:	Re: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
Sent by:	project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org




thx


On 09/02/2011 08:27 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> I've shared the latest slides and info with (NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) ...
>
> We have a chat planed for next week...
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

_______________________________________________
Project-planning mailing list
Project-planning at ovirt.org
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
_______________________________________________
Project-planning mailing list
Project-planning at ovirt.org
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep  7 19:28:29 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:28:29 -0400
Subject: Materials for going public with invitations
Message-ID: <4E67C5DD.1030708@redhat.com>


Please review the deck. Fire comments back referencing to slide number.
All comments welcome
Also, any additional questions we may want to add to the Q&A.

Jon has affered to help draft the invitation mail, thx Jon. Fire it out
for review whenever you are happy with it in basic form. We can plug the
location logistics in when they are final

Please keep the material confidential until we have reviewed it and are
ready to go in ~10 days time

regards,
Carl.


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From rbergero at redhat.com  Wed Sep  7 20:06:09 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 13:06:09 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
Message-ID: <4E67CEB1.3050206@redhat.com>

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes

Wednesday, September 7, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am US 
Pacific)

== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers

Robyn Bergeron - Red Hat
Jon Benedict - NetApp
Carl Trieloff - Red Hat
Itamar Heim - Red Hat
Dave Stewart - Intel
Kyle Mestery - Cisco
Perry Myers - Red Hat
Frank Novak - IBM
Karsten Wade - Red Hat
Tony Gargya - IBM

== Project Schedule ==
* Confirm initial project invites by September 14
* Website Launch - September
* oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th)
* Community startup @ workshop
* Press release post-workshop
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need list)
* Governance
* How to get involved
* Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November  
(need list)
* Source code release
* ??
* First release - January/February.

== Working Shared Document ==
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

== This Week's Action Items ==
  * Owners to follow up on confirmations with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html).
  * Mike/Ryan of IBM, possibly Carl, to follow up on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) status.
  * Carl to update list with: (a) Updated briefing deck, (b) draft 
invitation letter
  * Robyn to update agenda for next week with time dedicated to review 
of deck, invitation letter
  * Dave Stewart to check with Intel on possibility of hosting space
  * Kyle Mestery to check with Cisco on possibility of hosting space
  * Carl to follow up with IBM on possibility of hosting space
  * Karsten to continue with infrastructure work, will be pushing 
updates to mailing list.
  * Itamar to continue working of naming of projects that will be pushed 
to the website, and send out an update of that list in the next few days.
  * Karsten to continue with website work

== Agenda ==

1) Board invites, status
  * New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
  * Confirmed but additional follow-up
    * Intel (additional contacts) (Mike Day)
  * New Dates
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
    * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back
    * IBM - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)? Haven't heard from Dan/Mike on that - no new news.

2) Project launch status
  * Need bullet list of remaining tasks before announcement date, 
schedule. See below.
  * Light Schedule additions listed in google doc:
    * Working on generic deck - taking info from briefing deck, updating 
it for a general briefing invitation - can be sent out to anyone or used 
at any event. ACTION - Carl to update mailing list.
    * Carl is also working on draft invitation email, hopes to have that 
sent to planning list by end of the week, looking for feedback. ACTION - 
Carlto update mailing list.
    * Thinking September 19th, or 15th for sending an invite- want to 
spend chunk of meeting next week to make sure everyone is okay with 
invite. ACTION - robyn update next week's agenda with review time.
    * Working of website - need to have website worked up enough to 
explain what event is looking like, what the event is, what the project 
is about, how to RSVP, etc. Karsten is driving.
    * 3 critical things to have done to start invites - updated deck, 
general email, basic update/refresh of website.
    * Carl to send first draft out of information. Don't need to dive 
into governance - just cover licensing, more info at launch event.
  * Actual launch dates:
    * Originally - week of october 21, week of nov. 14
    * Feeling maybe previous week in November - week of Nov. 7.
      * May be problematic for RHT engineering
    * Better to do a NA/California location for initial workshop launch
    * Can use events like linuxcon, etc. to plug workshop
    * CA should be a good locatoin for a first initial audience
    * Jon Benedict - where are most of our attendees?
      * Need to do something in US and Europe - most companies are on 
international travel. Do a US launch at a major airport - CA, Chicago, 
Dallas.
      * We're all most likely to be travelling, regardless.
      * Much more travel for the Israeli team.
  * Hosting facilities in CA - IBM has previously volunteered, Intel 
possibly, Cisco?
    * Dave Stewart - Intel is a possibility (notes he may want to meet 
offline with Carl to get up to speed as well). ACTION: Dave to look into 
possibility of Intel hosting.
    * Cisco -ACTION: Kyle Mestery to look into possibility of hosting.
  * Over next week: Plan for feedback on-list, next call - editing 
invite, deck.
  * Logistically would be nice if we can get a preview of initial site 
for review before publishing. Karsten to follow up.
  * Website Launch - Karsten has contacted oVirt people who have been 
doing infrastructure work.
    * Will cut-over be to public info for workshop? Or will we update 
the whole site generally with forums, etc. on date of workshop?
      * One option - just have ovirt node info, other info private until 
cut-over
      * Perry has no issues with wiping existing website and taking 
content to a new subproject.
    * Karsten working on getting new pieces set up.
    * Karsten planning on working with what exists, standard HTML, 
adding a wiki in.
    * Need to have website in line by 19th or 15th, whichever date the 
letter goes out on.
    * Karsten welcome to have help, will be pushing things to mailing list.

3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
  * Settle date/location
    * Looks to be possibly California, Bay Area, week of Nov. 7.
  * Next Steps
    * See above in notes - need updated deck, invite, website refresh.
    * Need confirmation of location. Wait to hear back from potential 
facilities.
  * Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list
    *  
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

4) Updated Slide Deck Status (Andy)
  * Carl is updating

5) Positioning/Differentiation Points (Karsten)
  * Need to add to updated slide deck
  * Not addressed this week in meeting

6) Governance Docs (Carl)
  * Carl holding on this until he gets the invitation material together. 
Welcome to have someone else draft these, or he'll start next week.
  * What are we working from? Carl: will be working from deck, will 
essentially borrowing from apache, gnome docs, etc. Should be able to 
quickly assemble from public and reusable existing docs.

7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
  * Itamar is sorting out naming of projects coming from the RHT side, 
should see a mail or doc update later today.
  * Can get public infrastructure on BZ/mailing lists. Need names, etc. 
Need a consistent set of names being used.

8) Other updates:
  * If any other board-level orgs want to invite - just send Carl a mail.
  * Coordination of workshop - Robyn, Karsten. Carl to follow up with 
IBM, Cisco, Intel in bay area.
  * Kyle can talk to Cisco about possible hosting.



From iheim at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 13:09:50 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 09:09:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <4E67CEB1.3050206@redhat.com>
References: <4E67CEB1.3050206@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <119901cc6e28$5ec137d0$1c43a770$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Robyn
> Bergeron
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 23:06 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
> 
> oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes
> 
> Wednesday, September 7, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am US
> Pacific)
> 
> == Invitees/Attendees ==
> project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers
> 
> Robyn Bergeron - Red Hat
> Jon Benedict - NetApp
> Carl Trieloff - Red Hat
> Itamar Heim - Red Hat
> Dave Stewart - Intel
> Kyle Mestery - Cisco
> Perry Myers - Red Hat
> Frank Novak - IBM
> Karsten Wade - Red Hat
> Tony Gargya - IBM
> 
> == Project Schedule ==
> * Confirm initial project invites by September 14
> * Website Launch - September
> * oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th)
> * Community startup @ workshop
> * Press release post-workshop
> * Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need
list)
> * Governance
> * How to get involved
> * Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November
> (need list)
> * Source code release
> * ??
> * First release - January/February.
> 
> == Working Shared Document ==
>
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> == This Week's Action Items ==
>   * Owners to follow up on confirmations with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html).
>   * Mike/Ryan of IBM, possibly Carl, to follow up on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) status.
>   * Carl to update list with: (a) Updated briefing deck, (b) draft
> invitation letter
>   * Robyn to update agenda for next week with time dedicated to review
> of deck, invitation letter
>   * Dave Stewart to check with Intel on possibility of hosting space
>   * Kyle Mestery to check with Cisco on possibility of hosting space
>   * Carl to follow up with IBM on possibility of hosting space
>   * Karsten to continue with infrastructure work, will be pushing
> updates to mailing list.
>   * Itamar to continue working of naming of projects that will be pushed
> to the website, and send out an update of that list in the next few
days.
>   * Karsten to continue with website work
> 
> == Agenda ==
> 
> 1) Board invites, status
>   * New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
>   * Confirmed but additional follow-up
>     * Intel (additional contacts) (Mike Day)
>   * New Dates
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
>     * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back
>     * IBM - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)? Haven't heard from Dan/Mike on that - no new
news.
> 
> 2) Project launch status
>   * Need bullet list of remaining tasks before announcement date,
> schedule. See below.
>   * Light Schedule additions listed in google doc:
>     * Working on generic deck - taking info from briefing deck, updating
> it for a general briefing invitation - can be sent out to anyone or used
> at any event. ACTION - Carl to update mailing list.
>     * Carl is also working on draft invitation email, hopes to have that
> sent to planning list by end of the week, looking for feedback. ACTION -
> Carlto update mailing list.
>     * Thinking September 19th, or 15th for sending an invite- want to
> spend chunk of meeting next week to make sure everyone is okay with
> invite. ACTION - robyn update next week's agenda with review time.
>     * Working of website - need to have website worked up enough to
> explain what event is looking like, what the event is, what the project
> is about, how to RSVP, etc. Karsten is driving.
>     * 3 critical things to have done to start invites - updated deck,
> general email, basic update/refresh of website.
>     * Carl to send first draft out of information. Don't need to dive
> into governance - just cover licensing, more info at launch event.
>   * Actual launch dates:
>     * Originally - week of october 21, week of nov. 14
>     * Feeling maybe previous week in November - week of Nov. 7.
>       * May be problematic for RHT engineering
>     * Better to do a NA/California location for initial workshop launch
>     * Can use events like linuxcon, etc. to plug workshop
>     * CA should be a good locatoin for a first initial audience
>     * Jon Benedict - where are most of our attendees?
>       * Need to do something in US and Europe - most companies are on
> international travel. Do a US launch at a major airport - CA, Chicago,
> Dallas.
>       * We're all most likely to be travelling, regardless.
>       * Much more travel for the Israeli team.
>   * Hosting facilities in CA - IBM has previously volunteered, Intel
> possibly, Cisco?
>     * Dave Stewart - Intel is a possibility (notes he may want to meet
> offline with Carl to get up to speed as well). ACTION: Dave to look into
> possibility of Intel hosting.
>     * Cisco -ACTION: Kyle Mestery to look into possibility of hosting.
>   * Over next week: Plan for feedback on-list, next call - editing
> invite, deck.
>   * Logistically would be nice if we can get a preview of initial site
> for review before publishing. Karsten to follow up.
>   * Website Launch - Karsten has contacted oVirt people who have been
> doing infrastructure work.
>     * Will cut-over be to public info for workshop? Or will we update
> the whole site generally with forums, etc. on date of workshop?
>       * One option - just have ovirt node info, other info private until
> cut-over
>       * Perry has no issues with wiping existing website and taking
> content to a new subproject.
>     * Karsten working on getting new pieces set up.
>     * Karsten planning on working with what exists, standard HTML,
> adding a wiki in.
>     * Need to have website in line by 19th or 15th, whichever date the
> letter goes out on.
>     * Karsten welcome to have help, will be pushing things to mailing
list.
> 
> 3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
>   * Settle date/location
>     * Looks to be possibly California, Bay Area, week of Nov. 7.

This is the worst time for what I assume will be the bulk of would be
presenters.
What about one week before (it's not as good as the two original dates,
but November 7th Week is close to impossible).

>   * Next Steps
>     * See above in notes - need updated deck, invite, website refresh.
>     * Need confirmation of location. Wait to hear back from potential
> facilities.
>   * Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list
>     *
>
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> 4) Updated Slide Deck Status (Andy)
>   * Carl is updating
> 
> 5) Positioning/Differentiation Points (Karsten)
>   * Need to add to updated slide deck
>   * Not addressed this week in meeting
> 
> 6) Governance Docs (Carl)
>   * Carl holding on this until he gets the invitation material together.
> Welcome to have someone else draft these, or he'll start next week.
>   * What are we working from? Carl: will be working from deck, will
> essentially borrowing from apache, gnome docs, etc. Should be able to
> quickly assemble from public and reusable existing docs.
> 
> 7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
>   * Itamar is sorting out naming of projects coming from the RHT side,
> should see a mail or doc update later today.
>   * Can get public infrastructure on BZ/mailing lists. Need names, etc.
> Need a consistent set of names being used.
> 
> 8) Other updates:
>   * If any other board-level orgs want to invite - just send Carl a
mail.
>   * Coordination of workshop - Robyn, Karsten. Carl to follow up with
> IBM, Cisco, Intel in bay area.
>   * Kyle can talk to Cisco about possible hosting.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 13:29:47 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 09:29:47 -0400
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <119901cc6e28$5ec137d0$1c43a770$@com>
References: <4E67CEB1.3050206@redhat.com> <119901cc6e28$5ec137d0$1c43a770$@com>
Message-ID: <4E68C34B.60608@redhat.com>

On 09/08/2011 09:09 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> This is the worst time for what I assume will be the bulk of would be
> presenters.
> What about one week before (it's not as good as the two original dates,
> but November 7th Week is close to impossible).

you mean the 30th and 31st of October?

Carl.


From iheim at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 13:50:20 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 09:50:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <4E68C34B.60608@redhat.com>
References: <4E67CEB1.3050206@redhat.com> <119901cc6e28$5ec137d0$1c43a770$@com>
	<4E68C34B.60608@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <11bd01cc6e2e$077bb300$16731900$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 16:30 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
> 
> On 09/08/2011 09:09 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> > This is the worst time for what I assume will be the bulk of would be
> > presenters.
> > What about one week before (it's not as good as the two original
dates,
> > but November 7th Week is close to impossible).
> 
> you mean the 30th and 31st of October?

Yes - well, week of - not sure if you want to do it on a Sunday.
Btw - why did we move the workshop to only two days? There is no way we
can cover both the various discussions and cover technical level enough
material in two days.

> 
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 14:29:13 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 10:29:13 -0400
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <11bd01cc6e2e$077bb300$16731900$@com>
References: <4E67CEB1.3050206@redhat.com> <119901cc6e28$5ec137d0$1c43a770$@com>
	<4E68C34B.60608@redhat.com> <11bd01cc6e2e$077bb300$16731900$@com>
Message-ID: <4E68D139.3050806@redhat.com>

On 09/08/2011 09:50 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> Yes - well, week of - not sure if you want to do it on a Sunday.
> Btw - why did we move the workshop to only two days? There is no way we
> can cover both the various discussions and cover technical level enough
> material in two days

ack, looked wrong month. that would be the 1st and 2nd Nov.


From iheim at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 14:33:58 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:33:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <4E68D139.3050806@redhat.com>
References: <4E67CEB1.3050206@redhat.com> <119901cc6e28$5ec137d0$1c43a770$@com>
	<4E68C34B.60608@redhat.com> <11bd01cc6e2e$077bb300$16731900$@com>
	<4E68D139.3050806@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <122e01cc6e34$1f98e3d0$5ecaab70$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 17:29 PM
> To: Itamar Heim
> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
> 
> On 09/08/2011 09:50 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> > Yes - well, week of - not sure if you want to do it on a Sunday.
> > Btw - why did we move the workshop to only two days? There is no way
we
> > can cover both the various discussions and cover technical level
enough
> > material in two days
> 
> ack, looked wrong month. that would be the 1st and 2nd Nov.

why did we change from 3 days to 2 days?


From mdday at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep  8 14:35:37 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:35:37 -0400
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <4E68D139.3050806@redhat.com>
References: <4E67CEB1.3050206@redhat.com>
	<119901cc6e28$5ec137d0$1c43a770$@com>	<4E68C34B.60608@redhat.com>
	<11bd01cc6e2e$077bb300$16731900$@com> <4E68D139.3050806@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <OF29ECB7A0.8CAD5E3F-ON85257905.004FF9AE-85257905.00502A99@us.ibm.com>


project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/08/2011 10:29:13 AM:
> From: Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>
> On 09/08/2011 09:50 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> > Yes - well, week of - not sure if you want to do it on a Sunday.
> > Btw - why did we move the workshop to only two days? There is no way we
> > can cover both the various discussions and cover technical level enough
> > material in two days
>
> ack, looked wrong month. that would be the 1st and 2nd Nov.

Hi folks, right now the facilities at IBM's Almaden site are available the
week of Nov 7th but unavailable on the other dates we have discussed. I
will be checking later today with the IBM briefing center in San Jose,
which is also a good facility to see what dates are open at that facility.

Thanks,

Mike
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From acathrow at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 14:37:50 2011
From: acathrow at redhat.com (Andrew Cathrow)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:37:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <OF29ECB7A0.8CAD5E3F-ON85257905.004FF9AE-85257905.00502A99@us.ibm.com>
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael D Day" <mdday at us.ibm.com>
> To: cctrieloff at redhat.com
> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org, project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:35:37 AM
> Subject: Re: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
> project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/08/2011 10:29:13 AM:
> > From: Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>
> > On 09/08/2011 09:50 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> > > Yes - well, week of - not sure if you want to do it on a Sunday.
> > > Btw - why did we move the workshop to only two days? There is no
> > > way we
> > > can cover both the various discussions and cover technical level
> > > enough
> > > material in two days
> >
> > ack, looked wrong month. that would be the 1st and 2nd Nov.

>From a timing point of view 2 days seems short unless we're scoping down the agenda.

> 
> Hi folks, right now the facilities at IBM's Almaden site are available
> the week of Nov 7th but unavailable on the other dates we have
> discussed. I will be checking later today with the IBM briefing center
> in San Jose, which is also a good facility to see what dates are open
> at that facility.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 15:01:04 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 11:01:04 -0400
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <317254963.1127703.1315492670813.JavaMail.root@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <317254963.1127703.1315492670813.JavaMail.root@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E68D8B0.6030009@redhat.com>

On 09/08/2011 10:37 AM, Andrew Cathrow wrote:
>>> ack, looked wrong month. that would be the 1st and 2nd Nov.
> From a timing point of view 2 days seems short unless we're scoping down the agenda.
>


We can do 3, not an issue with that. Question is should we do tues / wed
/ thurs, does that work for Israeli travel.

Or we do Tues, Wed, and half day thurs, so people can travel?

Carl.


From acathrow at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 15:02:30 2011
From: acathrow at redhat.com (Andrew Cathrow)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 11:02:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
In-Reply-To: <4E68D8B0.6030009@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <991886016.1128878.1315494150909.JavaMail.root@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>


----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Trieloff" <cctrieloff at redhat.com>
> To: "Andrew Cathrow" <acathrow at redhat.com>
> Cc: "Michael D Day" <mdday at us.ibm.com>, project-planning at ovirt.org, project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:01:04 AM
> Subject: Re: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-07
> On 09/08/2011 10:37 AM, Andrew Cathrow wrote:
> >>> ack, looked wrong month. that would be the 1st and 2nd Nov.
> > From a timing point of view 2 days seems short unless we're scoping
> > down the agenda.
> >
> 
> 
> We can do 3, not an issue with that. Question is should we do tues /
> wed
> / thurs, does that work for Israeli travel.
> 
> Or we do Tues, Wed, and half day thurs, so people can travel?

IIRC there was an issue with the 2nd week in November for the TLV team.


> 
> Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 16:42:01 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:42:01 -0400
Subject: names of individuals for initial oVirt board
Message-ID: <4E68F059.7080600@redhat.com>


I started updating the document from our side, in that regard I would
like companies to start to work out who is going to be on the board from
each org. Good selections would be someone that can be hands on, from a
tech or community perspective in and helping drive oVirt from aspect
from releases, outreach, impl etc. Note that we will run pretty open
board meetings so it does not mean that only that person can attend, but
we do need to get the initial named set.

For those that know him, for reference Chris Wright will be on in that
role for Red Hat.

If you need to discuss, give me a shout.

kind regards
Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 17:41:18 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:41:18 -0400
Subject: names of individuals for initial oVirt board
In-Reply-To: <4E68F059.7080600@redhat.com>
References: <4E68F059.7080600@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E68FE3E.5050405@redhat.com>

On 09/08/2011 12:42 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> I started updating the document from our side, in that regard I would
> like companies to start to work out who is going to be on the board from
> each org. Good selections would be someone that can be hands on, from a
> tech or community perspective in and helping drive oVirt from aspect
> from releases, outreach, impl etc. Note that we will run pretty open
> board meetings so it does not mean that only that person can attend, but
> we do need to get the initial named set.
>
> For those that know him, for reference Chris Wright will be on in that
> role for Red Hat.
>
> If you need to discuss, give me a shout.
>
> kind regards
> Carl.


re-send, not sure I sent it correctly due to VPN issues.

Carl.



From pmyers at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 18:32:43 2011
From: pmyers at redhat.com (Perry Myers)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:32:43 -0400
Subject: Materials for going public with invitations
In-Reply-To: <4E67C5DD.1030708@redhat.com>
References: <4E67C5DD.1030708@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E690A4B.1070802@redhat.com>

On 09/07/2011 03:28 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> 
> Please review the deck. Fire comments back referencing to slide number.
> All comments welcome
> Also, any additional questions we may want to add to the Q&A.
> 
> Jon has affered to help draft the invitation mail, thx Jon. Fire it out
> for review whenever you are happy with it in basic form. We can plug the
> location logistics in when they are final
> 
> Please keep the material confidential until we have reviewed it and are
> ready to go in ~10 days time

slides still refer to Nogah, probably want to clean that up before we
distribute


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep  8 20:31:56 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:31:56 -0400
Subject: Materials for going public with invitations
In-Reply-To: <4E690A4B.1070802@redhat.com>
References: <4E67C5DD.1030708@redhat.com> <4E690A4B.1070802@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E69263C.7020402@redhat.com>

On 09/08/2011 02:32 PM, Perry Myers wrote:
> On 09/07/2011 03:28 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> Please review the deck. Fire comments back referencing to slide number.
>> All comments welcome
>> Also, any additional questions we may want to add to the Q&A.
>>
>> Jon has affered to help draft the invitation mail, thx Jon. Fire it out
>> for review whenever you are happy with it in basic form. We can plug the
>> location logistics in when they are final
>>
>> Please keep the material confidential until we have reviewed it and are
>> ready to go in ~10 days time
> slides still refer to Nogah, probably want to clean that up before we
> distribute

thanks, I search and update


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 14:39:55 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 10:39:55 -0400
Subject: Materials for going public with invitations
In-Reply-To: <4E69263C.7020402@redhat.com>
References: <4E67C5DD.1030708@redhat.com> <4E690A4B.1070802@redhat.com>
	<4E69263C.7020402@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A253B.9020207@redhat.com>



Draft 2, based on feedback. many thanks.  Additional feedback welcome

Carl.
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From bjon at netapp.com  Fri Sep  9 15:28:52 2011
From: bjon at netapp.com (Benedict, Jon)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 11:28:52 -0400
Subject: Workshop Invite - please provide feedback
Message-ID: <CA8FA8F4.68D8%bjon@netapp.com>

Hi all,

I?ve had a few passes at the Workshop Invite, with some good feedback from
Carl.  I?d like to share the latest version with all of you in hopes that
you will provide additional feedback.  Here is the current draft:



Would you like to support an Open Source project that affects all aspects of
the KVM hypervisor?
Are you interested in helping to develop or influence the next generation of
Open Source management tools for virtualization?
Do you have the desire to grow the ecosystem around KVM in order to help
drive its adoption?
Do you have skills around organizing or writing that you would like to lend
to an Open Source project?
Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?
 
If you answered ?yes? to any of the above questions, then you are invited to
attend the official launch of "oVirt" - the Open Virtualization Management
Platform project, in (CITY, STATE,COUNTRY).  The project will kickoff with a
workshop meeting during (DATES), and is open to all who want to develop, QA,
use, get involved or learn about the comprehensive open virtualization
management platform.
 
The sessions will cover the technical sub-projects, governance, getting
involved, usage and much more. Full GIT repos (source), site, forums will
also be launched at the event.
 
If you have any interest in an Open Virtualization Management platform you
need to be there!  This workshop will officially launch the oVirt project.
Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, SuSe and other inaugural members of the
oVirt team invite you to the launch of this truly open project; the workshop
and project is open to any individual, non-corporate, or corporate.  Please
don?t pass up on this opportunity to help foster, develop, organize, or
influence the future of the Open Virtualization management project.
 
Please RSVP by November 1st to rsvp at ovirt.org

For more information www.ovirt.org/workshop <http://www.ovirt.org/workshop>
 
 Thanks,
 
 oVirt
 
 -
 
 When: (DATES)
 Where: (LOCATION)
 Local Hotels: (LIST)
 RSVP: rsvp at ovirt.org
 Coordinators: rbergeron at redhat.com


Thanks,


Jon Benedict
Technical Marketing Engineer
Virtualization & Cloud

NetApp
919.476.5093  Direct
919.757.7789  Mobile
Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
www.netapp.com 





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From mdday at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 16:05:52 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:05:52 -0400
Subject: Workshop Invite - please provide feedback
In-Reply-To: <CA8FA8F4.68D8%bjon@netapp.com>
References: <CA8FA8F4.68D8%bjon@netapp.com>
Message-ID: <OF320A7663.4DD25D65-ON85257906.0058424D-85257906.00586DD6@us.ibm.com>

project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/09/2011 11:28:52 AM:
> I?ve had a few passes at the Workshop Invite, with some good
> feedback from Carl.  I?d like to share the latest version with all
> of you in hopes that you will provide additional feedback.  Here is
> the current draft:
>
>
> Would you like to support an Open Source project that affects all
> aspects of the KVM hypervisor?
> Are you interested in helping to develop or influence the next
> generation of Open Source management tools for virtualization?
> Do you have the desire to grow the ecosystem around KVM in order to
> help drive its adoption?
> Do you have skills around organizing or writing that you would like
> to lend to an Open Source project?
> Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?

Do you develop a product or technology that can manage or extend KVM?


Looks good!

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org
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From bjon at netapp.com  Fri Sep  9 16:52:51 2011
From: bjon at netapp.com (Benedict, Jon)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:52:51 -0400
Subject: Workshop Invite - please provide feedback
In-Reply-To: <OF320A7663.4DD25D65-ON85257906.0058424D-85257906.00586DD6@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <CA8FBCA3.68F1%bjon@netapp.com>

Hi Mike,

Most of what I?ve done so far is find best practices (at least in regards to
Red Hat?s implementation) for KVM and RHEV + NetApp storage.  This includes
backup, DR, and site failover.  Going forward, there are plans to do much
deeper integration in order to allow KVM & RHEV (and oVirt!!!) to take
advantage of things like copy offload and cloning from the backend, as well
as provisioning.  I?m working with the good folks over in Tel Aviv for this.

Additionally, I?m working on the host side of cloning ? that is, what is the
best way to prep a RHEL host (or hypervisor or VM..) prior to cloning.
There are many artifacts (WWIDs, LUN IDs, SSH host keys, bits in
initrd/initramfs etc) that you don?t want copied between clones.  So I?m
working on a ?sysprep? like tool & workflow to address this.  I?m 99% done
with the RHEL 6.x version, but I?m still testing on RHEL 5.6+.  I?ll be sure
to release it to this group for feedback.  From there, I?ll see about adding
in support for SuSe.

Hope this answers your question,

Jb

PS. - it looks like you?re in NC as well.  I?m in RTP, on Kit Creek.. If
you?re nearby, lets grab lunch sometime.


On 9/9/11 12:05 PM, "Michael D Day" <mdday at us.ibm.com> wrote:

> project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/09/2011 11:28:52 AM:
>> > I?ve had a few passes at the Workshop Invite, with some good
>> > feedback from Carl.  I?d like to share the latest version with all
>> > of you in hopes that you will provide additional feedback.  Here is
>> > the current draft:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Would you like to support an Open Source project that affects all
>> > aspects of the KVM hypervisor?
>> > Are you interested in helping to develop or influence the next
>> > generation of Open Source management tools for virtualization?
>> > Do you have the desire to grow the ecosystem around KVM in order to
>> > help drive its adoption?
>> > Do you have skills around organizing or writing that you would like
>> > to lend to an Open Source project?
>> > Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?
> 
> Do you develop a product or technology that can manage or extend KVM?
> 
> 
> Looks good!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike Day
> IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
> http://code.ncultra.org



Jon Benedict
Technical Marketing Engineer
Virtualization & Cloud

NetApp
919.476.5093  Direct
919.757.7789  Mobile
Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
www.netapp.com 





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From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 17:05:59 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:05:59 -0500
Subject: Workshop Invite - please provide feedback
In-Reply-To: <CA8FA8F4.68D8%bjon@netapp.com>
References: <CA8FA8F4.68D8%bjon@netapp.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A4777.8000305@us.ibm.com>

On 09/09/2011 10:28 AM, Benedict, Jon wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I?ve had a few passes at the Workshop Invite, with some good feedback from
> Carl.  I?d like to share the latest version with all of you in hopes that
> you will provide additional feedback.  Here is the current draft:
>
>
>
> Would you like to support an Open Source project that affects all aspects of
> the KVM hypervisor?
> Are you interested in helping to develop or influence the next generation of
> Open Source management tools for virtualization?
> Do you have the desire to grow the ecosystem around KVM in order to help
> drive its adoption?
> Do you have skills around organizing or writing that you would like to lend
> to an Open Source project?
> Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?
>
> If you answered ?yes? to any of the above questions, then you are invited to
> attend the official launch of "oVirt" - the Open Virtualization Management
> Platform project, in (CITY, STATE,COUNTRY).  The project will kickoff with a
> workshop meeting during (DATES), and is open to all who want to develop, QA,
> use, get involved or learn about the comprehensive open virtualization
> management platform.
>
> The sessions will cover the technical sub-projects, governance, getting
> involved, usage and much more. Full GIT repos (source), site, forums will
> also be launched at the event.
>
> If you have any interest in an Open Virtualization Management platform you
> need to be there!  This workshop will officially launch the oVirt project.
> Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, SuSe

SUSE is all caps now FYI

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> and other inaugural members of the
> oVirt team invite you to the launch of this truly open project; the workshop
> and project is open to any individual, non-corporate, or corporate.  Please
> don?t pass up on this opportunity to help foster, develop, organize, or
> influence the future of the Open Virtualization management project.
>
> Please RSVP by November 1st to rsvp at ovirt.org
>
> For more information www.ovirt.org/workshop<http://www.ovirt.org/workshop>
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   oVirt
>
>   -
>
>   When: (DATES)
>   Where: (LOCATION)
>   Local Hotels: (LIST)
>   RSVP: rsvp at ovirt.org
>   Coordinators: rbergeron at redhat.com
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jon Benedict
> Technical Marketing Engineer
> Virtualization&  Cloud
>
> NetApp
> 919.476.5093  Direct
> 919.757.7789  Mobile
> Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
> www.netapp.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 17:14:53 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:14:53 -0400
Subject: Workshop Invite - please provide feedback
In-Reply-To: <4E6A4777.8000305@us.ibm.com>
References: <CA8FA8F4.68D8%bjon@netapp.com> <4E6A4777.8000305@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A498D.3050404@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 01:05 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> SUSE is all caps now FYI 


thx


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 18:08:25 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:08:25 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
Message-ID: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>



Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
is good enough to get going with.

(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area

I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.

thx
Carl.


From bjon at netapp.com  Fri Sep  9 18:25:53 2011
From: bjon at netapp.com (Benedict, Jon)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:25:53 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <CA8FD271.6908%bjon@netapp.com>

Carl,

I'm not an expert in this area, but the voting guidelines and explanations
are clear enough.  One edit though - there is one instance of "whey" instead
of "weigh".

Jon


On 9/9/11 2:08 PM, "Carl Trieloff" <cctrieloff at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
> is good enough to get going with.
> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
> 
> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
> 
> thx
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



Jon Benedict
Technical Marketing Engineer
Virtualization & Cloud

NetApp
919.476.5093  Direct
919.757.7789  Mobile
Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
www.netapp.com 







From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 18:47:20 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:47:20 -0400
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
Message-ID: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com>



(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)


From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 18:48:13 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:48:13 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>

On 09/09/2011 01:08 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
>
> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
> is good enough to get going with.
>
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>
> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
>
> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.

I assume code doesn't mean code as in software, but some sort of 
community code?

One concern I have is that this seems to enforce that all projects are 
managed via consensus.  But many existing (and successful) Open Source 
projects don't use an Apache-style consensus model but rather rely on a 
benevolent dictatorship or some variation thereof.

I think it's fine to use a consensus model for oVirt business, but I 
think it's important to allow sub projects to use other types of 
leadership models.  Otherwise you're excluding large parts of the 
existing community, most notably, libvirt, QEMU, and KVM.

So I think for project specific things (like whether a project is ready 
for a release) needs to be completely deferred to the sub project.

If the sub project needs to somehow codify how it makes decisions, 
that's fine, but the sub project should ultimately have the say over how 
it makes decisions.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> thx
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 18:52:18 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:52:18 -0400
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A6062.2030301@redhat.com>


re-send VPN down

On 09/09/2011 02:47 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)



From jimjag at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 19:04:59 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:04:59 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <552C0001-D590-4C89-9C29-3789EF0CA9F8@redhat.com>

Will do?

On Sep 9, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> 
> 
> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
> is good enough to get going with.
> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
> 
> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
> 
> thx
> Carl.

--
Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 19:08:17 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:08:17 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 02:48 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 01:08 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>
>>
>> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
>> is good enough to get going with.
>>
>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>
>>
>> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
>>
>> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
>> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
>
> I assume code doesn't mean code as in software, but some sort of
> community code?
>
> One concern I have is that this seems to enforce that all projects are
> managed via consensus.  But many existing (and successful) Open Source
> projects don't use an Apache-style consensus model but rather rely on
> a benevolent dictatorship or some variation thereof.
>
> I think it's fine to use a consensus model for oVirt business, but I
> think it's important to allow sub projects to use other types of
> leadership models.  Otherwise you're excluding large parts of the
> existing community, most notably, libvirt, QEMU, and KVM.
>
> So I think for project specific things (like whether a project is
> ready for a release) needs to be completely deferred to the sub project.
>
> If the sub project needs to somehow codify how it makes decisions,
> that's fine, but the sub project should ultimately have the say over
> how it makes decisions. 


The goal is for each sub-project to get to 3 or more maintainers, which
rules out the benevolent dictatorship model for sub-projects. The goal
here is to build a growing and sustainable community not reliant on
single individuals.

Think of it as at least three benevolent dictators per sub-project, or
if the project has less than three, the board helps provide
accountability. For projects like KVM, QEMU, libvirt, if they joined in
we would encourage them vote on additional maintainers. It is hard to
argue any downside to doing that.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 19:10:58 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:10:58 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <CA8FD271.6908%bjon@netapp.com>
References: <CA8FD271.6908%bjon@netapp.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A64C2.7050808@redhat.com>



fixed.

On 09/09/2011 02:25 PM, Benedict, Jon wrote:
> Carl,
>
> I'm not an expert in this area, but the voting guidelines and explanations
> are clear enough.  One edit though - there is one instance of "whey" instead
> of "weigh".
>
> Jon
>
>
> On 9/9/11 2:08 PM, "Carl Trieloff" <cctrieloff at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
>> is good enough to get going with.
>>
>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>
>> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
>>
>> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
>> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
>>
>> thx
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>
>
> Jon Benedict
> Technical Marketing Engineer
> Virtualization & Cloud
>
> NetApp
> 919.476.5093  Direct
> 919.757.7789  Mobile
> Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
> www.netapp.com 
>
>
>
>
>



From mdday at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 19:15:25 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:15:25 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <OF74550277.458C4212-ON85257906.0069521B-85257906.0069C858@us.ibm.com>


project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/09/2011 03:08:17 PM:
> > One concern I have is that this seems to enforce that all projects are
> > managed via consensus.  But many existing (and successful) Open Source
> > projects don't use an Apache-style consensus model but rather rely on
> > a benevolent dictatorship or some variation thereof.
> >
> > I think it's fine to use a consensus model for oVirt business, but I
> > think it's important to allow sub projects to use other types of
> > leadership models.  Otherwise you're excluding large parts of the
> > existing community, most notably, libvirt, QEMU, and KVM.
> >
> > So I think for project specific things (like whether a project is
> > ready for a release) needs to be completely deferred to the sub
project.
> >
> > If the sub project needs to somehow codify how it makes decisions,
> > that's fine, but the sub project should ultimately have the say over
> > how it makes decisions.
>
>
> The goal is for each sub-project to get to 3 or more maintainers, which
> rules out the benevolent dictatorship model for sub-projects. The goal
> here is to build a growing and sustainable community not reliant on
> single individuals.
>
> Think of it as at least three benevolent dictators per sub-project, or
> if the project has less than three, the board helps provide
> accountability. For projects like KVM, QEMU, libvirt, if they joined in
> we would encourage them vote on additional maintainers. It is hard to
> argue any downside to doing that.

I agree that we need to encourage and require more than one maintainer per
project and I like the rule. I don't think we want to force a change in
existing projects that are successful like KVM & QEMU. In both of these
cases we have projects with a long history of broad contributions. Or we
should recognize that kVM and QEMU have de-facto sub-mainterships due to
the practice of regular almost automatic pulling of source trees published
by key contributors.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 19:29:45 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:29:45 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <OF74550277.458C4212-ON85257906.0069521B-85257906.0069C858@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<OF74550277.458C4212-ON85257906.0069521B-85257906.0069C858@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A6929.2040103@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 03:15 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
> project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/09/2011 03:08:17 PM:
> > > One concern I have is that this seems to enforce that all projects are
> > > managed via consensus.  But many existing (and successful) Open Source
> > > projects don't use an Apache-style consensus model but rather rely on
> > > a benevolent dictatorship or some variation thereof.
> > >
> > > I think it's fine to use a consensus model for oVirt business, but I
> > > think it's important to allow sub projects to use other types of
> > > leadership models.  Otherwise you're excluding large parts of the
> > > existing community, most notably, libvirt, QEMU, and KVM.
> > >
> > > So I think for project specific things (like whether a project is
> > > ready for a release) needs to be completely deferred to the sub
> project.
> > >
> > > If the sub project needs to somehow codify how it makes decisions,
> > > that's fine, but the sub project should ultimately have the say over
> > > how it makes decisions.
> >
> >
> > The goal is for each sub-project to get to 3 or more maintainers, which
> > rules out the benevolent dictatorship model for sub-projects. The goal
> > here is to build a growing and sustainable community not reliant on
> > single individuals.
> >
> > Think of it as at least three benevolent dictators per sub-project, or
> > if the project has less than three, the board helps provide
> > accountability. For projects like KVM, QEMU, libvirt, if they joined in
> > we would encourage them vote on additional maintainers. It is hard to
> > argue any downside to doing that.
>
> I agree that we need to encourage and require more than one maintainer
> per project and I like the rule. I don't think we want to force a
> change in existing projects that are successful like KVM & QEMU. In
> both of these cases we have projects with a long history of broad
> contributions. Or we should recognize that kVM and QEMU have de-facto
> sub-mainterships due to the practice of regular almost automatic
> pulling of source trees published by key contributors.

That seems reasonable. However I think it would be a boost for the
respective communities if they voted those key contributors to
maintainers if they are defacto trusted and making that recognition
public. That in itself is great for all involved, and as from what I
understand these key contributors are 'maintainers' in just about every
regard except in name and recognition. Formalizing and providing that
recognition is never a bad thing.

However, I agree, with these listed projects we can make it happen.

Carl.






From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 19:37:14 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:37:14 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>

On 09/09/2011 02:08 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 02:48 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 01:08 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
>>> is good enough to get going with.
>>>
>>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
>>>
>>> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
>>> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
>>
>> I assume code doesn't mean code as in software, but some sort of
>> community code?
>>
>> One concern I have is that this seems to enforce that all projects are
>> managed via consensus.  But many existing (and successful) Open Source
>> projects don't use an Apache-style consensus model but rather rely on
>> a benevolent dictatorship or some variation thereof.
>>
>> I think it's fine to use a consensus model for oVirt business, but I
>> think it's important to allow sub projects to use other types of
>> leadership models.  Otherwise you're excluding large parts of the
>> existing community, most notably, libvirt, QEMU, and KVM.
>>
>> So I think for project specific things (like whether a project is
>> ready for a release) needs to be completely deferred to the sub project.
>>
>> If the sub project needs to somehow codify how it makes decisions,
>> that's fine, but the sub project should ultimately have the say over
>> how it makes decisions.
>
>
> The goal is for each sub-project to get to 3 or more maintainers, which
> rules out the benevolent dictatorship model for sub-projects. The goal
> here is to build a growing and sustainable community not reliant on
> single individuals.

Having 3 maintainers does not mean there isn't an overall project 
leader.  We have around 30 maintainers in QEMU but only one project 
leader.  The project leader casts the tie breaking vote.

It's the same model as the kernel and many other communities.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori


From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 19:40:17 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:40:17 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6929.2040103@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<OF74550277.458C4212-ON85257906.0069521B-85257906.0069C858@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6929.2040103@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A6BA1.2000705@us.ibm.com>

On 09/09/2011 02:29 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 03:15 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
>> project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/09/2011 03:08:17 PM:
>>> Think of it as at least three benevolent dictators per sub-project, or
>>> if the project has less than three, the board helps provide
>>> accountability. For projects like KVM, QEMU, libvirt, if they joined in
>>> we would encourage them vote on additional maintainers. It is hard to
>>> argue any downside to doing that.
>>
>> I agree that we need to encourage and require more than one maintainer
>> per project and I like the rule. I don't think we want to force a
>> change in existing projects that are successful like KVM&  QEMU. In
>> both of these cases we have projects with a long history of broad
>> contributions. Or we should recognize that kVM and QEMU have de-facto
>> sub-mainterships due to the practice of regular almost automatic
>> pulling of source trees published by key contributors.
>
> That seems reasonable. However I think it would be a boost for the
> respective communities if they voted those key contributors to
> maintainers if they are defacto trusted and making that recognition
> public. That in itself is great for all involved, and as from what I
> understand these key contributors are 'maintainers' in just about every
> regard except in name and recognition. Formalizing and providing that
> recognition is never a bad thing.

No, it's formalized already (via a MAINTAINERS file, just like Linux).

Again, this is very similar to other communities like libvirt.  If one 
of the Daniels are on the list, they can comment more, but my understand 
is that there are many people with commit access, but a very small 
number of people that are effectively the benevolent dictators and make 
final decisions on releases.

The main point here is not to debate the effectiveness of any given 
model but to point out that the stricter you are about requiring 
projects to govern themselves in certain ways, the less inclusive the 
overall community will be.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> However, I agree, with these listed projects we can make it happen.
>
> Carl.
>
>
>
>



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 19:52:25 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:52:25 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6BA1.2000705@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<OF74550277.458C4212-ON85257906.0069521B-85257906.0069C858@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6929.2040103@redhat.com> <4E6A6BA1.2000705@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A6E79.1070709@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 03:40 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 02:29 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 03:15 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
>>> project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/09/2011 03:08:17 PM:
>>>> Think of it as at least three benevolent dictators per sub-project, or
>>>> if the project has less than three, the board helps provide
>>>> accountability. For projects like KVM, QEMU, libvirt, if they
>>>> joined in
>>>> we would encourage them vote on additional maintainers. It is hard to
>>>> argue any downside to doing that.
>>>
>>> I agree that we need to encourage and require more than one maintainer
>>> per project and I like the rule. I don't think we want to force a
>>> change in existing projects that are successful like KVM&  QEMU. In
>>> both of these cases we have projects with a long history of broad
>>> contributions. Or we should recognize that kVM and QEMU have de-facto
>>> sub-mainterships due to the practice of regular almost automatic
>>> pulling of source trees published by key contributors.
>>
>> That seems reasonable. However I think it would be a boost for the
>> respective communities if they voted those key contributors to
>> maintainers if they are defacto trusted and making that recognition
>> public. That in itself is great for all involved, and as from what I
>> understand these key contributors are 'maintainers' in just about every
>> regard except in name and recognition. Formalizing and providing that
>> recognition is never a bad thing.
>
> No, it's formalized already (via a MAINTAINERS file, just like Linux).
>
> Again, this is very similar to other communities like libvirt.  If one
> of the Daniels are on the list, they can comment more, but my
> understand is that there are many people with commit access, but a
> very small number of people that are effectively the benevolent
> dictators and make final decisions on releases.
>
> The main point here is not to debate the effectiveness of any given
> model but to point out that the stricter you are about requiring
> projects to govern themselves in certain ways, the less inclusive the
> overall community will be.
>

apache also has the two levels, they call that the PMC. I stripped the
two levels out to keep it simple and we can update as required. If we
want that we should doc it back in.

goal here is to be transparent and easy for people to join in.

carl



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 19:54:35 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:54:35 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com> <4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 03:37 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Having 3 maintainers does not mean there isn't an overall project
> leader.  We have around 30 maintainers in QEMU but only one project
> leader.  The project leader casts the tie breaking vote.
>
> It's the same model as the kernel and many other communities. 

how about we state that a sub-project may ellect someone to cast tie
breaking votes if they want to. And then how that loosely works

I think that should resolve your concern. Does that work?

Carl.


From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 20:00:06 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:00:06 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com> <4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>

On 09/09/2011 02:54 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 03:37 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Having 3 maintainers does not mean there isn't an overall project
>> leader.  We have around 30 maintainers in QEMU but only one project
>> leader.  The project leader casts the tie breaking vote.
>>
>> It's the same model as the kernel and many other communities.
>
> how about we state that a sub-project may ellect someone to cast tie
> breaking votes if they want to. And then how that loosely works
>
> I think that should resolve your concern. Does that work?

I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe 
10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Carl.
>



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 20:03:44 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:03:44 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com> <4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>
	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>
> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures. 

that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to get
a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project has a
good culture, they can evolve it themselves.

Do you want to go ahead and edit that into the google doc?

Carl.


From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 19:43:50 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:43:50 -0500
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A6C76.4060402@us.ibm.com>

On 09/09/2011 01:47 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
>
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

Same general feedback for this document as for the other document. 
Existing projects have existing procedures for appointing maintainers.

Making these rules optional for established projects or something like 
that would be necessary if the goal is to make oVirt more inclusive.

I would like to see more projects get brought under the oVirt banner to 
encourage more cooperation up and down the stack.  If you force all 
projects to conform to one leadership view, that will preclude this from 
ever happening.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 20:11:50 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:11:50 -0400
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6C76.4060402@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com> <4E6A6C76.4060402@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A7306.2020205@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 03:43 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Same general feedback for this document as for the other document.
> Existing projects have existing procedures for appointing maintainers.
>
> Making these rules optional for established projects or something like
> that would be necessary if the goal is to make oVirt more inclusive.
>
> I would like to see more projects get brought under the oVirt banner
> to encourage more cooperation up and down the stack.  If you force all
> projects to conform to one leadership view, that will preclude this
> from ever happening. 

Go ahead and suggest edits, or make some edits/ comments in the doc and
mark them - or e-mail some.

My goal here is throw out a good starting point for the docs and have
people weigh in.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 20:25:59 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:25:59 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com> <4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>
	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com> <4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A7657.5010608@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 04:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
>> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures. 
> that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to get
> a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project has a
> good culture, they can evolve it themselves.
>
> Do you want to go ahead and edit that into the google doc?

Anthony,

I added a section at the bottom, take a look and see if it cuts mustard
for you. edit away as needed.

thx
Carl.


From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 20:38:38 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:38:38 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com>

On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>
>> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
>> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.
>
> that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to get
> a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project has a
> good culture, they can evolve it themselves.

Okay, that sounds good.  Perhaps we should try to work language like 
this into more of these docs?  Basically, three tiers of projects:

  Tier 0;  x < 3 maintainers, oVirt board has ability to make decisions 
on behalf of the project.

  Tier 1;  3 <= x < 10 maintainers, project is autonomous, but must use 
oVirt recommended voting procedures and maintainership model.

  Tier 2; x >= 10 maintainers, project is autonomous and writes its own 
governance document.  Perhaps the document should be voted on by the 
oVirt board?

I think that creates a nice incubator model where oVirt helps a project 
grow and gets out of the way once it reaches critical mass.

Can anyone give me an idea of where the initial set of seed projects 
will fit?  How many maintainers is oVirt Server likely to have? (I 
assume that's the biggest of the seed projects).

>
> Do you want to go ahead and edit that into the google doc?

Sure.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori


>
> Carl.



From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 20:46:36 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:46:36 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A7657.5010608@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com> <4E6A7657.5010608@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A7B2C.3070308@us.ibm.com>

On 09/09/2011 03:25 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 04:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
>>> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.
>> that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to get
>> a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project has a
>> good culture, they can evolve it themselves.
>>
>> Do you want to go ahead and edit that into the google doc?
>
> Anthony,
>
> I added a section at the bottom, take a look and see if it cuts mustard
> for you. edit away as needed.

I think that's sufficiently open ended enough that it can be clarified 
down the road through board voting.

Thanks!

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> thx
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 20:59:10 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:59:10 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com> <4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A7E1E.5010109@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 04:38 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Okay, that sounds good.  Perhaps we should try to work language like
> this into more of these docs?  Basically, three tiers of projects:
>
>  Tier 0;  x < 3 maintainers, oVirt board has ability to make decisions
> on behalf of the project.
>
>  Tier 1;  3 <= x < 10 maintainers, project is autonomous, but must use
> oVirt recommended voting procedures and maintainership model.
>
>  Tier 2; x >= 10 maintainers, project is autonomous and writes its own
> governance document.  Perhaps the document should be voted on by the
> oVirt board?
>
> I think that creates a nice incubator model where oVirt helps a
> project grow and gets out of the way once it reaches critical mass.
>
> Can anyone give me an idea of where the initial set of seed projects
> will fit?  How many maintainers is oVirt Server likely to have? (I
> assume that's the biggest of the seed projects). 


That looks nice, I cut and paste this into the doc I working now --
called - becoming an oVirt sub-project

Carl.


From pmyers at redhat.com  Fri Sep  9 21:09:01 2011
From: pmyers at redhat.com (Perry Myers)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:09:01 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com> <4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6A806D.1030006@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 04:38 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
>>> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.
>>
>> that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to get
>> a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project has a
>> good culture, they can evolve it themselves.
> 
> Okay, that sounds good.  Perhaps we should try to work language like
> this into more of these docs?  Basically, three tiers of projects:
> 
>  Tier 0;  x < 3 maintainers, oVirt board has ability to make decisions
> on behalf of the project.
> 
>  Tier 1;  3 <= x < 10 maintainers, project is autonomous, but must use
> oVirt recommended voting procedures and maintainership model.
> 
>  Tier 2; x >= 10 maintainers, project is autonomous and writes its own
> governance document.  Perhaps the document should be voted on by the
> oVirt board?
> 
> I think that creates a nice incubator model where oVirt helps a project
> grow and gets out of the way once it reaches critical mass.
> 
> Can anyone give me an idea of where the initial set of seed projects
> will fit?  How many maintainers is oVirt Server likely to have? (I
> assume that's the biggest of the seed projects).

Do we define a maintainer as anyone with commit access to the main
upstream repo?

If so, oVirt Node project has 3 maintainers presently (not counting
myself, and I don't since I don't code anymore...)

Perry


From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep  9 21:30:36 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:30:36 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A806D.1030006@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>
	<4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com> <4E6A806D.1030006@redhat.com>
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On 09/09/2011 04:09 PM, Perry Myers wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 04:38 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>> On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
>>>> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.
>>>
>>> that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to get
>>> a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project has a
>>> good culture, they can evolve it themselves.
>>
>> Okay, that sounds good.  Perhaps we should try to work language like
>> this into more of these docs?  Basically, three tiers of projects:
>>
>>   Tier 0;  x<  3 maintainers, oVirt board has ability to make decisions
>> on behalf of the project.
>>
>>   Tier 1;  3<= x<  10 maintainers, project is autonomous, but must use
>> oVirt recommended voting procedures and maintainership model.
>>
>>   Tier 2; x>= 10 maintainers, project is autonomous and writes its own
>> governance document.  Perhaps the document should be voted on by the
>> oVirt board?
>>
>> I think that creates a nice incubator model where oVirt helps a project
>> grow and gets out of the way once it reaches critical mass.
>>
>> Can anyone give me an idea of where the initial set of seed projects
>> will fit?  How many maintainers is oVirt Server likely to have? (I
>> assume that's the biggest of the seed projects).
>
> Do we define a maintainer as anyone with commit access to the main
> upstream repo?
>
> If so, oVirt Node project has 3 maintainers presently (not counting
> myself, and I don't since I don't code anymore...)

I think anyone with commit access who can commit other people's patches?

I think that fits the categories quite well too.  ovirt-node is large 
enough that it should be autonomous.  I think the overall goal is to 
make sure that projects move from Tier 0 -> Tier 1 over time but once at 
Tier 1, I'm sure certain projects can last forever at that size.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Perry



From iheim at redhat.com  Sun Sep 11 07:57:31 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 03:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>
	<4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
> Liguori
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 23:39 PM
> To: cctrieloff at redhat.com
> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: oVirt comminuty voting
> 
> On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> > On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
> >> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.
> >
> > that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to
get
> > a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project has
a
> > good culture, they can evolve it themselves.
> 
> Okay, that sounds good.  Perhaps we should try to work language like
> this into more of these docs?  Basically, three tiers of projects:
> 
>   Tier 0;  x < 3 maintainers, oVirt board has ability to make decisions
> on behalf of the project.
> 
>   Tier 1;  3 <= x < 10 maintainers, project is autonomous, but must use
> oVirt recommended voting procedures and maintainership model.
> 
>   Tier 2; x >= 10 maintainers, project is autonomous and writes its own
> governance document.  Perhaps the document should be voted on by the
> oVirt board?
> 
> I think that creates a nice incubator model where oVirt helps a project
> grow and gets out of the way once it reaches critical mass.
> 
> Can anyone give me an idea of where the initial set of seed projects
> will fit?  How many maintainers is oVirt Server likely to have? (I
> assume that's the biggest of the seed projects).

I think the comment on a 'leader' and the need for a tie breaker is valid
for projects with less than 10 maintainers as well.
This is also relevant for overruling a nack to avoid stagnation. A
majority of acks, or leader as tie breaker should be able to vote on
overruling a nack.


From abaron at redhat.com  Sun Sep 11 09:00:41 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <15ad01cc7058$309759c0$91c60d40$@com>
Message-ID: <773874633.1156341.1315731641489.JavaMail.root@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

Looks good.
Could use some editing (lots of small things like s/rewording/rewarding/, s/wsdm/vdsm/)

----- Original Message -----
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
> > Liguori
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 23:39 PM
> > To: cctrieloff at redhat.com
> > Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
> > Subject: Re: oVirt comminuty voting
> >
> > On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> > > On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or
> > >> maybe
> > >> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.
> > >
> > > that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is
> > > to
> get
> > > a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project
> > > has
> a
> > > good culture, they can evolve it themselves.
> >
> > Okay, that sounds good. Perhaps we should try to work language like
> > this into more of these docs? Basically, three tiers of projects:
> >
> >   Tier 0; x < 3 maintainers, oVirt board has ability to make
> >   decisions
> > on behalf of the project.
> >
> >   Tier 1; 3 <= x < 10 maintainers, project is autonomous, but must
> >   use
> > oVirt recommended voting procedures and maintainership model.
> >
> >   Tier 2; x >= 10 maintainers, project is autonomous and writes its
> >   own
> > governance document. Perhaps the document should be voted on by the
> > oVirt board?
> >
> > I think that creates a nice incubator model where oVirt helps a
> > project
> > grow and gets out of the way once it reaches critical mass.
> >
> > Can anyone give me an idea of where the initial set of seed projects
> > will fit? How many maintainers is oVirt Server likely to have? (I
> > assume that's the biggest of the seed projects).
> 
> I think the comment on a 'leader' and the need for a tie breaker is
> valid
> for projects with less than 10 maintainers as well.
> This is also relevant for overruling a nack to avoid stagnation. A
> majority of acks, or leader as tie breaker should be able to vote on
> overruling a nack.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

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Reverend Vivian Foster, Vicar of Mirth. 



From bjon at netapp.com  Mon Sep 12 11:42:38 2011
From: bjon at netapp.com (Benedict, Jon)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:42:38 -0400
Subject: Workshop Invite - please provide feedback
In-Reply-To: <CA8FA8F4.68D8%bjon@netapp.com>
Message-ID: <CA93686E.695B%bjon@netapp.com>

Here is the latest update (includes Mike Day?s lead question as well as
Anthony?s corrected SUSE spelling):


> 



Would you like to support an Open Source project that affects all aspects of
the KVM hypervisor?
Are you interested in helping to develop or influence the next generation of
Open Source management tools for virtualization?
Do you have the desire to grow the ecosystem around KVM in order to help
drive its adoption?
Do you have skills around organizing or writing that you would like to lend
to an Open Source project?
Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?
Do you develop a product or technology that can manage or extend KVM?
 
If you answered ?yes? to any of the above questions, then you are invited to
attend the official launch of "oVirt" - the Open Virtualization Management
Platform project, in (CITY, STATE,COUNTRY).  The project will kickoff with a
workshop meeting during (DATES), and is open to all who want to develop, QA,
use, get involved or learn about the comprehensive open virtualization
management platform.
 
The sessions will cover the technical sub-projects, governance, getting
involved, usage and much more. Full GIT repos (source), site, forums will
also be launched at the event.
 
If you have any interest in an Open Virtualization Management platform you
need to be there!  This workshop will officially launch the oVirt project.
Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, SUSE, and other inaugural members of the
oVirt team invite you to the launch of this truly open project; the workshop
and project is open to any individual, non-corporate, or corporate.  Please
don?t pass up on this opportunity to help foster, develop, organize, or
influence the future of the Open Virtualization management project.
 
Please RSVP by November 1st to rsvp at ovirt.org

For more information www.ovirt.org/workshop <http://www.ovirt.org/workshop>
 
 Thanks,
 
 oVirt
 
 -
 
 When: (DATES)
 Where: (LOCATION)
 Local Hotels: (LIST)
 RSVP: rsvp at ovirt.org
 Coordinators: rbergeron at redhat.com


> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Jon Benedict
> Technical Marketing Engineer
> Virtualization & Cloud
> 
> NetApp
> 919.476.5093  Direct
> 919.757.7789  Mobile
> Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
> www.netapp.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



Jon Benedict
Technical Marketing Engineer
Virtualization & Cloud

NetApp
919.476.5093  Direct
919.757.7789  Mobile
Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
www.netapp.com 





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From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 12 15:07:54 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:07:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Workshop Invite - please provide feedback
In-Reply-To: <CA93686E.695B%bjon@netapp.com>
Message-ID: <1257302708.1169143.1315840074294.JavaMail.root@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>



----- Original Message -----
> Re: Workshop Invite - please provide feedback Here is the latest
> update (includes Mike Day?s lead question as well as Anthony?s
> corrected SUSE spelling):
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Would you like to support an Open Source project that affects all
> aspects of the KVM hypervisor?
> Are you interested in helping to develop or influence the next
> generation of Open Source management tools for virtualization?
> Do you have the desire to grow the ecosystem around KVM in order to
> help drive its adoption?
> Do you have skills around organizing or writing that you would like to
> lend to an Open Source project?
> Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?

Are *you* interested... (also, why capital "O"?)

> Do you develop a product or technology that can manage or extend KVM?

Feels (to me) like the tease is too long before reaching the punchline.

> 
> If you answered ?yes? to any of the above questions, then you are
> invited to attend the official launch of "oVirt" - the Open
> Virtualization Management Platform project, in (CITY, STATE,COUNTRY).
> The project will kickoff with a workshop meeting during (DATES), and
> is open to all who want to develop, QA, use, get involved or learn
> about the comprehensive open virtualization management platform.
> 
> The sessions will cover the technical sub-projects, governance,
> getting involved, usage and much more. Full GIT repos (source), site,
> forums will also be launched at the event.
> 
> If you have any interest in an Open Virtualization Management platform
> you need to be there! This workshop will officially launch the oVirt
> project. Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, SUSE, and other inaugural
> members of the oVirt team invite you to the launch of this truly open
> project; the workshop and project is open to any individual,
> non-corporate, or corporate. Please don?t pass up on this opportunity
> to help foster, develop, organize, or influence the future of the Open
> Virtualization management project.
> 
> Please RSVP by November 1st to rsvp at ovirt.org

We're cutting it a bit close, aren't we?

> 
> For more information www.ovirt.org/workshop <
> http://www.ovirt.org/workshop >
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> oVirt
> 
> -
> 
> When: (DATES)
> Where: (LOCATION)
> Local Hotels: (LIST)
> RSVP: rsvp at ovirt.org
> Coordinators: rbergeron at redhat.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Jon Benedict
> Technical Marketing Engineer
> Virtualization & Cloud
> 
> NetApp
> 919.476.5093 Direct
> 919.757.7789 Mobile
> Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
> www.netapp.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 
> 
> 
> Jon Benedict
> Technical Marketing Engineer
> Virtualization & Cloud
> 
> NetApp
> 919.476.5093 Direct
> 919.757.7789 Mobile
> Jon.Benedict at netapp.com
> www.netapp.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
"We are all on earth to help others. What on earth the others are here for, I can't imagine."
Reverend Vivian Foster, Vicar of Mirth. 



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 12 15:25:23 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:25:23 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <15ad01cc7058$309759c0$91c60d40$@com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>
	<4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com> <15ad01cc7058$309759c0$91c60d40$@com>
Message-ID: <4E6E2463.9060804@redhat.com>

On 09/11/2011 03:57 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
>> Liguori
>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 23:39 PM
>> To: cctrieloff at redhat.com
>> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
>> Subject: Re: oVirt comminuty voting
>>
>> On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>> On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
>>>> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.
>>> that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to
> get
>>> a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project has
> a
>>> good culture, they can evolve it themselves.
>> Okay, that sounds good.  Perhaps we should try to work language like
>> this into more of these docs?  Basically, three tiers of projects:
>>
>>   Tier 0;  x < 3 maintainers, oVirt board has ability to make decisions
>> on behalf of the project.
>>
>>   Tier 1;  3 <= x < 10 maintainers, project is autonomous, but must use
>> oVirt recommended voting procedures and maintainership model.
>>
>>   Tier 2; x >= 10 maintainers, project is autonomous and writes its own
>> governance document.  Perhaps the document should be voted on by the
>> oVirt board?
>>
>> I think that creates a nice incubator model where oVirt helps a project
>> grow and gets out of the way once it reaches critical mass.
>>
>> Can anyone give me an idea of where the initial set of seed projects
>> will fit?  How many maintainers is oVirt Server likely to have? (I
>> assume that's the biggest of the seed projects).
> I think the comment on a 'leader' and the need for a tie breaker is valid
> for projects with less than 10 maintainers as well.
> This is also relevant for overruling a nack to avoid stagnation. A
> majority of acks, or leader as tie breaker should be able to vote on
> overruling a nack.


I'll draft a first version of the becoming a sub-project doc, and I'll
try work this feedback into that.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 12 16:50:10 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:50:10 -0400
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
Message-ID: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>


If it is at all possible, could Cisco, IBM, Intel see if we can get a
tentative confirm for one of the facilities for the launch on the 1-3rd
November before the Wednesday call.

If we can settle this by/on Wednesday we can complete the materials and
go public with invitations / briefings next week.

Carl.


From kmestery at cisco.com  Mon Sep 12 16:54:11 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:54:11 -0500
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>

Carl:

Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do today to get a decision one way or another.

Thanks,
Kyle

On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> 
> If it is at all possible, could Cisco, IBM, Intel see if we can get a
> tentative confirm for one of the facilities for the launch on the 1-3rd
> November before the Wednesday call.
> 
> If we can settle this by/on Wednesday we can complete the materials and
> go public with invitations / briefings next week.
> 
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 12 16:55:18 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:55:18 -0400
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>



Thanks Kyle for the update.

Carl.


On 09/12/2011 12:54 PM, kmestery wrote:
> Carl:
>
> Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do today to get a decision one way or another.
>
> Thanks,
> Kyle
>
> On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
>> If it is at all possible, could Cisco, IBM, Intel see if we can get a
>> tentative confirm for one of the facilities for the launch on the 1-3rd
>> November before the Wednesday call.
>>
>> If we can settle this by/on Wednesday we can complete the materials and
>> go public with invitations / briefings next week.
>>
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From mdday at us.ibm.com  Mon Sep 12 17:15:12 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:15:12 -0700
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>

> Thanks Kyle for the update.
> On 09/12/2011 12:54 PM, kmestery wrote:
> > Carl:
> >
> > Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do
> today to get a decision one way or another.
> >

As a backup option in case this doesn't work out I'm investigating the
availability of an IBM facility in the Bay Area.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org
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From imad.sousou at intel.com  Mon Sep 12 17:17:17 2011
From: imad.sousou at intel.com (Sousou, Imad)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:17:17 -0600
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
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Message-ID: <B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>

Same here from intel
Imad

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:16 AM, "Michael D Day" <mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>> wrote:


> Thanks Kyle for the update.
> On 09/12/2011 12:54 PM, kmestery wrote:
> > Carl:
> >
> > Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do
> today to get a decision one way or another.
> >

As a backup option in case this doesn't work out I'm investigating the availability of an IBM facility in the Bay Area.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | <mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com> mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>
<http://code.ncultra.org>http://code.ncultra.org

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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 12 18:29:12 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:29:12 -0400
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <201109111216.14404.dfediuck@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com> <15ee01cc7062$84caf060$8e60d120$@com>
	<201109111216.14404.dfediuck@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6E4F78.1020700@redhat.com>

On 09/11/2011 05:16 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
> On Sunday 11 September 2011 12:11:27 Itamar Heim wrote:
>> Cc'ing some existing leads for comments
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
>> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
>>> Trieloff
>>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 21:47 PM
>>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Jim Jagielski
>>> Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 0. Title is missing. I'm guessing it's the same as document name?
>
> 1. There's a combined usage of 'project' and 'sub-project'. I suggest using 'project' to simplify it.
> If you take Apache for example, they host projects, and even real sub-projects (http://db.apache.org/derby/derby_proposal.html)
> they end up being listed as projects (http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html#D).

done

> 2. The following needs some re-phrasing:
>
> IT is expected however that if you have contributed doc, and are not an expect on code that you
> don?t ack patches for example. You can also be voted into one sub-project and not another based
> on your area of influence, or you could get into them all.
>
> * IT => It
> * doc => a document?
> * and are not an expect =>  and are not an expert?
> - Generally this paragraph begins with one thing, and ends with something completely different.
> I'd think of adding each sentence to a relevant paragraph carrying the same theme / subject.

re-worked, see what you think. (go ahead and edit it directly if needed.)

>
> 3. There are terms that need clarification, or typos. For example: wsdm. Is it VDSM? Something else?

fixed

>
> 4. And probably the most important. This document is _also_ about being a maintainer. But it's
> _also_ about being a (sub-)project contributer (and maybe some more also's);
>
> - Contributing to a sub-project 
> - Adding to the discussions and contributing code
> and there's more contents about giving to the community. This is all relevant
> to project / community membership.
>
> => This document should be spitted into community membership document and
> (sub-)project maintenance. Currently it's a mix of both.
>


Don't we want it mixed? why would we draw a line between the two roles?
having people thinking of community and code together is healthy.

Carl.





From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 12 19:30:21 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:30:21 -0400
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
Message-ID: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>


(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
take a look.

Itamar, please review the two project rules.

Carl.


From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Mon Sep 12 19:41:14 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:41:14 -0500
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6E605A.7040702@us.ibm.com>

On 09/12/2011 02:30 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>
> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
> take a look.
>
> Itamar, please review the two project rules.

What is a "published API"?  Does the board vote on what constitutes a 
published API, or does any API that is published by an accepted project 
automatically become an oVirt published API?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Mon Sep 12 19:45:05 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:45:05 -0500
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6E6141.5020003@us.ibm.com>

On 09/12/2011 02:30 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>
> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
> take a look.
>
> Itamar, please review the two project rules.

For this paragraph:

"In order to release a cohesive stack, everything needs to work 
together. The core of this is the engine. If a new project is started it 
needs to integrate with a published API, or an additional API needs to 
be created into the engine project to support the new project. Finally 
additional API?s can come into scope to provide facilities/capabilities 
that the engine consumes. The board signs off on which project provide 
API?s to make sure there is coordination between the projects. The board 
is not responsible for the technical aspects of the API?s, just the 
facilitation when named API projects are added or removed."

It feels a bit out of place.  Perhaps it's because I don't have a good 
grip on what the "engine project" is since it still doesn't exist as an 
open source project.

Maybe we can just drop this paragraph or remove the bits about the 
engine?  The rest looks great.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
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> Project-planning at ovirt.org
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 12 20:44:21 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:44:21 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A857C.3090004@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6EFB.6050108@redhat.com>	<4E6A7046.60802@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A7120.9030403@redhat.com>
	<4E6A794E.1020402@us.ibm.com> <4E6A806D.1030006@redhat.com>
	<4E6A857C.3090004@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6E6F25.7010605@redhat.com>

On 09/09/2011 05:30 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 04:09 PM, Perry Myers wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 04:38 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>>> On 09/09/2011 04:00 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd prefer something like, communities with greater than 3 (or maybe
>>>>> 10?) maintainers can creator their own voting procedures.
>>>>
>>>> that is what apache does btw and is fine by me. the goal here is to
>>>> get
>>>> a broad maintainer set and help mew projects grow. once a project
>>>> has a
>>>> good culture, they can evolve it themselves.
>>>
>>> Okay, that sounds good.  Perhaps we should try to work language like
>>> this into more of these docs?  Basically, three tiers of projects:
>>>
>>>   Tier 0;  x<  3 maintainers, oVirt board has ability to make decisions
>>> on behalf of the project.
>>>
>>>   Tier 1;  3<= x<  10 maintainers, project is autonomous, but must use
>>> oVirt recommended voting procedures and maintainership model.
>>>
>>>   Tier 2; x>= 10 maintainers, project is autonomous and writes its own
>>> governance document.  Perhaps the document should be voted on by the
>>> oVirt board?
>>>
>>> I think that creates a nice incubator model where oVirt helps a project
>>> grow and gets out of the way once it reaches critical mass.
>>>
>>> Can anyone give me an idea of where the initial set of seed projects
>>> will fit?  How many maintainers is oVirt Server likely to have? (I
>>> assume that's the biggest of the seed projects).

They are now listed in the google doc. Itamar is still filling in the
matrix.


>>
>> Do we define a maintainer as anyone with commit access to the main
>> upstream repo?
>>

yes.

>> If so, oVirt Node project has 3 maintainers presently (not counting
>> myself, and I don't since I don't code anymore...)
>
> I think anyone with commit access who can commit other people's patches?
>
> I think that fits the categories quite well too.  ovirt-node is large
> enough that it should be autonomous.  I think the overall goal is to
> make sure that projects move from Tier 0 -> Tier 1 over time but once
> at Tier 1, I'm sure certain projects can last forever at that size.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori
>
>>
>> Perry
>



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 12 20:46:24 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:46:24 -0400
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6E605A.7040702@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com> <4E6E605A.7040702@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6E6FA0.9000307@redhat.com>

On 09/12/2011 03:41 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/12/2011 02:30 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>
>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>
>>
>> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
>> take a look.
>>
>> Itamar, please review the two project rules.
>
> What is a "published API"?  Does the board vote on what constitutes a
> published API, or does any API that is published by an accepted
> project automatically become an oVirt published API?
>


I was thinking of votes in term of VDSM, the Admin REST API. or we want
to add a reporting API etc. not the contents, just which team drives it,
and that it is an agreed point we 'support' with some or other ABI.

We should define that out a bit more.

Carl.




From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Mon Sep 12 21:02:21 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:02:21 -0500
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6E6FA0.9000307@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com> <4E6E605A.7040702@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6E6FA0.9000307@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6E735D.5070609@us.ibm.com>

On 09/12/2011 03:46 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/12/2011 03:41 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 09/12/2011 02:30 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>>
>>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>>
>>>
>>> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
>>> take a look.
>>>
>>> Itamar, please review the two project rules.
>>
>> What is a "published API"?  Does the board vote on what constitutes a
>> published API, or does any API that is published by an accepted
>> project automatically become an oVirt published API?
>>
>
>
> I was thinking of votes in term of VDSM, the Admin REST API. or we want
> to add a reporting API etc. not the contents, just which team drives it,
> and that it is an agreed point we 'support' with some or other ABI.
>
> We should define that out a bit more.

I was trying to understand how something like QEMU would fit into oVirt.

Since this requires that the each project consumes or provides a 
supported API, QEMU exposes an API that it supports (QMP), but it's not 
published through oVirt (or would it be?).  oVirt Engine consumes it via 
a very indirect path (through VDSM, then through libvirt, and then QMP).

I don't think Apache has any real requirement that projects under 
Apache.org integrates with apache directly, right?  Maybe it would be 
best if we avoided being overly specific here.

How does Eclipse handle this?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Carl.
>
>



From hpillay at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 04:07:20 2011
From: hpillay at redhat.com (Harish Pillay)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:07:20 +0800
Subject: Materials for going public with invitations
In-Reply-To: <4E67C5DD.1030708@redhat.com>
References: <4E67C5DD.1030708@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20110913040720.GH12612@redhat.com>

| Please review the deck. Fire comments back referencing to slide number.

slide 7 last line: "3rd" not #rd.

-- 
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From jimjag at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 13:51:47 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:51:47 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <5417AE3B-1108-48EC-BCC9-FDF172AEDAAD@redhat.com>

++1

On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> On 09/09/2011 02:48 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 01:08 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
>>> is good enough to get going with.
>>> 
>>> = (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
>>> 
>>> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
>>> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
>> 
>> I assume code doesn't mean code as in software, but some sort of
>> community code?
>> 
>> One concern I have is that this seems to enforce that all projects are
>> managed via consensus.  But many existing (and successful) Open Source
>> projects don't use an Apache-style consensus model but rather rely on
>> a benevolent dictatorship or some variation thereof.
>> 
>> I think it's fine to use a consensus model for oVirt business, but I
>> think it's important to allow sub projects to use other types of
>> leadership models.  Otherwise you're excluding large parts of the
>> existing community, most notably, libvirt, QEMU, and KVM.
>> 
>> So I think for project specific things (like whether a project is
>> ready for a release) needs to be completely deferred to the sub project.
>> 
>> If the sub project needs to somehow codify how it makes decisions,
>> that's fine, but the sub project should ultimately have the say over
>> how it makes decisions. 
> 
> 
> The goal is for each sub-project to get to 3 or more maintainers, which
> rules out the benevolent dictatorship model for sub-projects. The goal
> here is to build a growing and sustainable community not reliant on
> single individuals.
> 
> Think of it as at least three benevolent dictators per sub-project, or
> if the project has less than three, the board helps provide
> accountability. For projects like KVM, QEMU, libvirt, if they joined in
> we would encourage them vote on additional maintainers. It is hard to
> argue any downside to doing that.
> 
> Carl.

--
Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)



From jimjag at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 13:54:07 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:54:07 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com> <4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>

A project lead implies that somehow his/her vote is more important
than anyone else's, which is not how the ASF works.

The idea is to build a community that strives for consensus so that
the need for tie-breaking votes isn't required? If half the community
thinks A and the other B, then there is for sure no consensus.

> 
> Having 3 maintainers does not mean there isn't an overall project leader.  We have around 30 maintainers in QEMU but only one project leader.  The project leader casts the tie breaking vote.
> 
> It's the same model as the kernel and many other communities.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Anthony Liguori

--
Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 13:56:35 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:56:35 -0400
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6E735D.5070609@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com> <4E6E605A.7040702@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6E6FA0.9000307@redhat.com> <4E6E735D.5070609@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6F6113.5060304@redhat.com>

On 09/12/2011 05:02 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/12/2011 03:46 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> On 09/12/2011 03:41 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2011 02:30 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
>>>> take a look.
>>>>
>>>> Itamar, please review the two project rules.
>>>
>>> What is a "published API"?  Does the board vote on what constitutes a
>>> published API, or does any API that is published by an accepted
>>> project automatically become an oVirt published API?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of votes in term of VDSM, the Admin REST API. or we want
>> to add a reporting API etc. not the contents, just which team drives it,
>> and that it is an agreed point we 'support' with some or other ABI.
>>
>> We should define that out a bit more.
>
> I was trying to understand how something like QEMU would fit into oVirt.
>
> Since this requires that the each project consumes or provides a
> supported API, QEMU exposes an API that it supports (QMP), but it's
> not published through oVirt (or would it be?).  oVirt Engine consumes
> it via a very indirect path (through VDSM, then through libvirt, and
> then QMP).


that is why I phrased it provides or consume directly or indirectly, to
cover these cases. That should cover things like QEMU or other modules
down the stack.  It also allow for someone to build a proxy or something
else ontop of the REST API, and then have a project that uses that
project would also be able to be included.

The key is that engine is the 'glue' project and then we want to be able
to relate all project to it, either on top of the engine, or under it.


>
> I don't think Apache has any real requirement that projects under
> Apache.org integrates with apache directly, right?  Maybe it would be
> best if we avoided being overly specific here.

No, Apache has not such rule

>
> How does Eclipse handle this?

Eclipse is the model here we want to use for this part. They have a set
of frameworks, a core platform which also ships as RCP (the morel
equivalent of or engine) and then a set of API. They also have an arch
list.  All projects have to:

- integrate with the core framework (effectively RCP)  {this means
cut/copy/ paste etc etc all work between the projects for example so
between WTP and STP even those there is zero overlap in dev between
these projects or between WTP and any 3rd party plugin}
    then optionally support additional API's

- some projects also create API's for consumption, there is an arch team
that coordinates and agrees which projects expose project wide
supportable API's

The second rule is that each project must support the release schedule.
the project is free to choose what it is going to put onto the 'release
train' as they call it


They have a few more rules, but I think we only need these two to get
what we need to keep oVirt consistent and simple. As we mature we can as
needed.

I'll try find some docs on it and mail out the link for reference.

Carl.


From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 14:01:50 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:01:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1cbe01cc721d$68d29130$3a77b390$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Jagielski
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 16:54 PM
> To: Anthony Liguori
> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: oVirt comminuty voting
> 
> A project lead implies that somehow his/her vote is more important
> than anyone else's, which is not how the ASF works.
> 
> The idea is to build a community that strives for consensus so that
> the need for tie-breaking votes isn't required. If half the community
> thinks A and the other B, then there is for sure no consensus.

How often are these and how do they get resolved?
How is a nack by someone resolved if majority are in agreement (ack it)?

> 
> >
> > Having 3 maintainers does not mean there isn't an overall project
leader.  We have around 30 maintainers
> in QEMU but only one project leader.  The project leader casts the tie
breaking vote.
> >
> > It's the same model as the kernel and many other communities.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Anthony Liguori
> 
> --
> Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)
> 
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 14:02:01 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:02:01 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com> <4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6F6259.8080700@redhat.com>

On 09/13/2011 09:54 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> A project lead implies that somehow his/her vote is more important
> than anyone else's, which is not how the ASF works.
>
> The idea is to build a community that strives for consensus so that
> the need for tie-breaking votes isn't required? If half the community
> thinks A and the other B, then there is for sure no consensus.


I know many of the Linux projects use the concept of a group elected tie
break role. This is different to ASF. Jim brings up a good point and the
question is do we want it, or not?

Might be best to remove it, and then if a project wants it they have to
get to the mature phase of the project where they update their voting
rules if they want to add that role.

thoughts?

Carl.


From iheim at redhat.com  Sun Sep 11 09:11:27 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:11:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <15ee01cc7062$84caf060$8e60d120$@com>

Cc'ing some existing leads for comments

> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
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> Trieloff
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 21:47 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Jim Jagielski
> Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
> 
> 
> 
>
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From iheim at redhat.com  Sun Sep 11 09:15:42 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 05:15:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <15f501cc7063$198b3b10$4ca1b130$@com>

cc'ing some existing leads to comment on this one as well.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 21:08 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Jim Jagielski
> Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
> 
> 
> 
> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
> is good enough to get going with.
> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
> 
> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
> 
> thx
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
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> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From dfediuck at redhat.com  Sun Sep 11 09:16:14 2011
From: dfediuck at redhat.com (Doron Fediuck)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:16:14 +0300
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <15ee01cc7062$84caf060$8e60d120$@com>
References: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com> <15ee01cc7062$84caf060$8e60d120$@com>
Message-ID: <201109111216.14404.dfediuck@redhat.com>

On Sunday 11 September 2011 12:11:27 Itamar Heim wrote:
> Cc'ing some existing leads for comments
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> > Trieloff
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 21:47 PM
> > To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Jim Jagielski
> > Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Project-planning mailing list
> > Project-planning at ovirt.org
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 

0. Title is missing. I'm guessing it's the same as document name?

1. There's a combined usage of 'project' and 'sub-project'. I suggest using 'project' to simplify it.
If you take Apache for example, they host projects, and even real sub-projects (http://db.apache.org/derby/derby_proposal.html)
they end up being listed as projects (http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html#D).

2. The following needs some re-phrasing:

IT is expected however that if you have contributed doc, and are not an expect on code that you
don?t ack patches for example. You can also be voted into one sub-project and not another based
on your area of influence, or you could get into them all.

* IT => It
* doc => a document?
* and are not an expect =>  and are not an expert?
- Generally this paragraph begins with one thing, and ends with something completely different.
I'd think of adding each sentence to a relevant paragraph carrying the same theme / subject.

3. There are terms that need clarification, or typos. For example: wsdm. Is it VDSM? Something else?

4. And probably the most important. This document is _also_ about being a maintainer. But it's
_also_ about being a (sub-)project contributer (and maybe some more also's);

- Contributing to a sub-project 
- Adding to the discussions and contributing code
and there's more contents about giving to the community. This is all relevant
to project / community membership.

=> This document should be spitted into community membership document and
(sub-)project maintenance. Currently it's a mix of both.

-- 

/d

"Willyoupleasehelpmefixmykeyboard?Thespacebarisbroken!"


From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 08:24:16 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:24:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1b7001cc71ee$40652f70$c12f8e50$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 22:30 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
> 
> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
> take a look.
> 
> Itamar, please review the two project rules.

Looks ok to me, my concerns are on the rules implied by this, but that's
on another thread.
Cc'ing more reviewers


From dfediuck at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 11:52:48 2011
From: dfediuck at redhat.com (Doron Fediuck)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:52:48 +0300
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <4E6E4F78.1020700@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5F38.3020802@redhat.com>
	<201109111216.14404.dfediuck@redhat.com>
	<4E6E4F78.1020700@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <201109131452.48541.dfediuck@redhat.com>

On Monday 12 September 2011 21:29:12 Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/11/2011 05:16 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 September 2011 12:11:27 Itamar Heim wrote:
> >> Cc'ing some existing leads for comments

<SNIP>

> > 0. Title is missing. I'm guessing it's the same as document name?
> >
> > 1. There's a combined usage of 'project' and 'sub-project'. I suggest using 'project' to simplify it.
> > If you take Apache for example, they host projects, and even real sub-projects (http://db.apache.org/derby/derby_proposal.html)
> > they end up being listed as projects (http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html#D).
> 
> done
> 
> > 2. The following needs some re-phrasing:
> >
> > IT is expected however that if you have contributed doc, and are not an expect on code that you
> > don?t ack patches for example. You can also be voted into one sub-project and not another based
> > on your area of influence, or you could get into them all.
> >
> > * IT => It
> > * doc => a document?
> > * and are not an expect =>  and are not an expert?
> > - Generally this paragraph begins with one thing, and ends with something completely different.
> > I'd think of adding each sentence to a relevant paragraph carrying the same theme / subject.
> 
> re-worked, see what you think. (go ahead and edit it directly if needed.)
> 
> >
> > 3. There are terms that need clarification, or typos. For example: wsdm. Is it VDSM? Something else?
> 
> fixed
> 
> >
> > 4. And probably the most important. This document is _also_ about being a maintainer. But it's
> > _also_ about being a (sub-)project contributer (and maybe some more also's);
> >
> > - Contributing to a sub-project 
> > - Adding to the discussions and contributing code
> > and there's more contents about giving to the community. This is all relevant
> > to project / community membership.
> >
> > => This document should be spitted into community membership document and
> > (sub-)project maintenance. Currently it's a mix of both.
> >
> 
> 
> Don't we want it mixed? why would we draw a line between the two roles?
> having people thinking of community and code together is healthy.
> 
> Carl.
> 

OK, looks much better now.
Some final (I hope) remarks;

1. We now have 2 "Becoming a maintainer" headers. I'd change the 2nd one to
something like "Applying for a project maintainer role" or anything alike.

2. WRT contribution and maintenance mixture, it takes the focus off the
document's topic, for no visible reason. I'll try to explain with 2 examples;

a. The car
You just bought a new car, and you look into the owner manual, looking
for a quick & simple way to adjust your radio pre-set stations.
You get the information in one chapter which includes the complete wiring
scheme, board design and explanation on connector types to use when connecting
to amplifiers or phone car-kit. Will you think it's very helpful and easy to
understand how you should set your radio buttons?

Now think of the mechanic guy in the garage, getting the same manual,
which he's supposed to use in order to verify what is short-circuiting
the car embedded media controller. What will he think when he needs to
read the connector description along with setting radio buttons?

Is mixing all the information a good idea? Does it help both guys? Any
of them?

b. Git Book
http://book.git-scm.com/
As you can see there are separate chapters for each type of user;
Basic, Intermediate and Advanced.

I'm sure someone who looks for a way to recover corrupted objects,
won't find git clone syntax very helpful while he looks for the relevant
information.

3. Now back to us...
I think the following should be used in a different document;
- Contributing to a project 
- Adding to the discussions and contributing code
- Large projects

These (and maybe some more) should be located in a document
focused on general community contribution and oVirt project
specific contribution rules / policy / code / coding-conventions,
etc. Apache,for instance, asks every contributer to sign something
making the code contribution owned by / used by the relevant
project, so there are no license / rights issues. This could
be a good place for explaining such a signature, should we
require one.

Current document should be lean and mean; Containing the relevant
information on becoming a maintainer, responsibilities, ethics,
policies, etc. The document should start by referring to the
project contribution document. In this way you give more
background if needed.

-- 

/d

"All computers wait at the same speed."


From dfediuck at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 14:11:47 2011
From: dfediuck at redhat.com (Doron Fediuck)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:11:47 +0300
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <1b7001cc71ee$40652f70$c12f8e50$@com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com> <1b7001cc71ee$40652f70$c12f8e50$@com>
Message-ID: <201109131711.47710.dfediuck@redhat.com>

On Tuesday 13 September 2011 11:24:16 Itamar Heim wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> > Trieloff
> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 22:30 PM
> > To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> > Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
> > 
> > 
> > (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> > 
> > Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
> > take a look.
> > 
> > Itamar, please review the two project rules.
> 
> Looks ok to me, my concerns are on the rules implied by this, but that's
> on another thread.
> Cc'ing more reviewers
> 
The API restriction may be too much.
Assuming engine is RHEV-M, important projects similar to KSM[1]
will not be a part of oVirt, and we may end up loosing important innovations.

I'm not sure RHEV-M (engine) is fully equivalent to eclipse, and therefore
the API rule may harm us.

As I see it, either we define oVirt umbrella as an union model (rings around
rhev-m), and acknowledge the fact we'll be loosing projects, or use an eco-environment
for visualization, by restricting the API rule to engin-related project, and
accepting other project which will commit to the other eco-system rule(s).

[1]  http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/using-ksm-kernel-samepage-merging-kvm
-- 

/d

"Do not look into laser with remaining eye." --On a laser pointer user-manual


From dfediuck at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 14:23:39 2011
From: dfediuck at redhat.com (Doron Fediuck)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:23:39 +0300
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <201109131711.47710.dfediuck@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com> <1b7001cc71ee$40652f70$c12f8e50$@com>
	<201109131711.47710.dfediuck@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <201109131723.39332.dfediuck@redhat.com>

On Tuesday 13 September 2011 17:11:47 Doron Fediuck wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 September 2011 11:24:16 Itamar Heim wrote:
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> > [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> > > Trieloff
> > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 22:30 PM
> > > To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> > > Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> > > 
> > > Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
> > > take a look.
> > > 
> > > Itamar, please review the two project rules.
> > 
> > Looks ok to me, my concerns are on the rules implied by this, but that's
> > on another thread.
> > Cc'ing more reviewers
> > 
> The API restriction may be too much.
> Assuming engine is RHEV-M, important projects similar to KSM[1]
> will not be a part of oVirt, and we may end up loosing important innovations.
> 
> I'm not sure RHEV-M (engine) is fully equivalent to eclipse, and therefore
> the API rule may harm us.
> 
> As I see it, either we define oVirt umbrella as an union model (rings around
> rhev-m), and acknowledge the fact we'll be loosing projects, or use an eco-environment
> for visualization, by restricting the API rule to engin-related project, and
> accepting other project which will commit to the other eco-system rule(s).
> 
Sorry for mail my previous typo's (visualization -> virtualization, engin->engine, etc).

One more thing I left out;
What I'm missing in this document is a review process to a new project.
IE- Do we accept any new project or do we have some minimal 'due diligence'
of the project. 

For example;
- Who owns it?
- Is there some commitment behind it, or is it a 'one man show'? 
- Does is have a malicious potential?

These are all examples I hope we won't need to face.
I think it should be considered and added into the document, if you feel the same.

-- 

/d

"Willyoupleasehelpmefixmykeyboard?Thespacebarisbroken!"


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 14:25:25 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:25:25 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <1cbe01cc721d$68d29130$3a77b390$@com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
	<1cbe01cc721d$68d29130$3a77b390$@com>
Message-ID: <4E6F67D5.1060904@redhat.com>

On 09/13/2011 10:01 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> How often are these and how do they get resolved?
> How is a nack by someone resolved if majority are in agreement (ack it)?


A nack is invalid (an has to be withdrawn) unless solid technical reason
are given and the debate around those reasons hold.

Jim -- want to add?

Carl.


From jimjag at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 14:26:56 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:26:56 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6F6259.8080700@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com> <4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
	<4E6F6259.8080700@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <5306805F-EC45-4FC7-B8C0-7E0F349C40F0@redhat.com>

That's most probably a good path.

If you start off with the expectation that there will be
the need for tie-breaking votes, well? they are bound to
happen. But if the expectation is that there will be no need
for them, and therefore no position that is "empowered" to
break them, then the communities will be "forced" to
collaborate and compromise.

On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> On 09/13/2011 09:54 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> A project lead implies that somehow his/her vote is more important
>> than anyone else's, which is not how the ASF works.
>> 
>> The idea is to build a community that strives for consensus so that
>> the need for tie-breaking votes isn't required? If half the community
>> thinks A and the other B, then there is for sure no consensus.
> 
> 
> I know many of the Linux projects use the concept of a group elected tie
> break role. This is different to ASF. Jim brings up a good point and the
> question is do we want it, or not?
> 
> Might be best to remove it, and then if a project wants it they have to
> get to the mature phase of the project where they update their voting
> rules if they want to add that role.
> 
> thoughts?
> 
> Carl.

--
Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)



From jimjag at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 14:27:29 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:27:29 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6F67D5.1060904@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
	<1cbe01cc721d$68d29130$3a77b390$@com> <4E6F67D5.1060904@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <AA3A11BD-F07A-4BB8-8936-020C52F383E1@redhat.com>


On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> On 09/13/2011 10:01 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> How often are these and how do they get resolved?
>> How is a nack by someone resolved if majority are in agreement (ack it)?
> 
> 
> A nack is invalid (an has to be withdrawn) unless solid technical reason
> are given and the debate around those reasons hold.
> 
> Jim -- want to add?


Yep, that's right. In Apache-speak, it's called a 'veto'

--
Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)



From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Tue Sep 13 15:07:52 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:07:52 -0500
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6F6113.5060304@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>
	<4E6E605A.7040702@us.ibm.com>	<4E6E6FA0.9000307@redhat.com>
	<4E6E735D.5070609@us.ibm.com> <4E6F6113.5060304@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6F71C8.3040207@us.ibm.com>

On 09/13/2011 08:56 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/12/2011 05:02 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 09/12/2011 03:46 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2011 03:41 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>> On 09/12/2011 02:30 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
>>>>> take a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Itamar, please review the two project rules.
>>>>
>>>> What is a "published API"?  Does the board vote on what constitutes a
>>>> published API, or does any API that is published by an accepted
>>>> project automatically become an oVirt published API?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking of votes in term of VDSM, the Admin REST API. or we want
>>> to add a reporting API etc. not the contents, just which team drives it,
>>> and that it is an agreed point we 'support' with some or other ABI.
>>>
>>> We should define that out a bit more.
>>
>> I was trying to understand how something like QEMU would fit into oVirt.
>>
>> Since this requires that the each project consumes or provides a
>> supported API, QEMU exposes an API that it supports (QMP), but it's
>> not published through oVirt (or would it be?).  oVirt Engine consumes
>> it via a very indirect path (through VDSM, then through libvirt, and
>> then QMP).
>
>
> that is why I phrased it provides or consume directly or indirectly, to
> cover these cases. That should cover things like QEMU or other modules
> down the stack.  It also allow for someone to build a proxy or something
> else ontop of the REST API, and then have a project that uses that
> project would also be able to be included.
>
> The key is that engine is the 'glue' project and then we want to be able
> to relate all project to it, either on top of the engine, or under it.
>
>
>>
>> I don't think Apache has any real requirement that projects under
>> Apache.org integrates with apache directly, right?  Maybe it would be
>> best if we avoided being overly specific here.
>
> No, Apache has not such rule
>
>>
>> How does Eclipse handle this?
>
> Eclipse is the model here we want to use for this part. They have a set
> of frameworks, a core platform which also ships as RCP (the morel
> equivalent of or engine) and then a set of API. They also have an arch
> list.  All projects have to:
>
> - integrate with the core framework (effectively RCP)  {this means
> cut/copy/ paste etc etc all work between the projects for example so
> between WTP and STP even those there is zero overlap in dev between
> these projects or between WTP and any 3rd party plugin}
>      then optionally support additional API's
>
> - some projects also create API's for consumption, there is an arch team
> that coordinates and agrees which projects expose project wide
> supportable API's
>
> The second rule is that each project must support the release schedule.
> the project is free to choose what it is going to put onto the 'release
> train' as they call it
>
>
> They have a few more rules, but I think we only need these two to get
> what we need to keep oVirt consistent and simple. As we mature we can as
> needed.
>
> I'll try find some docs on it and mail out the link for reference.

Thanks, this is helpful background info.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Carl.



From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Tue Sep 13 15:06:52 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:06:52 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6F718C.1080400@us.ibm.com>

On 09/13/2011 08:54 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> A project lead implies that somehow his/her vote is more important
> than anyone else's, which is not how the ASF works.
>
> The idea is to build a community that strives for consensus so that
> the need for tie-breaking votes isn't required?

That's one model, but it's not the only model.  As it happens, there's a 
good LWN article right now on this topic.

http://lwn.net/Articles/458094/

The simple fact is, a large part of the ecosystem we're trying to build 
is already existing and has a diverse development model.  If we don't 
accommodate development model diversity, then we're going to exclude 
large parts of the ecosystem which is going to result in fragmentation.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> If half the community
> thinks A and the other B, then there is for sure no consensus.
>
>>
>> Having 3 maintainers does not mean there isn't an overall project leader.  We have around 30 maintainers in QEMU but only one project leader.  The project leader casts the tie breaking vote.
>>
>> It's the same model as the kernel and many other communities.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Anthony Liguori
>
> --
> Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)
>



From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Tue Sep 13 15:10:34 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:10:34 -0500
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6F6259.8080700@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
	<4E6F6259.8080700@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6F726A.8090902@us.ibm.com>

On 09/13/2011 09:02 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/13/2011 09:54 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> A project lead implies that somehow his/her vote is more important
>> than anyone else's, which is not how the ASF works.
>>
>> The idea is to build a community that strives for consensus so that
>> the need for tie-breaking votes isn't required? If half the community
>> thinks A and the other B, then there is for sure no consensus.
>
>
> I know many of the Linux projects use the concept of a group elected tie
> break role. This is different to ASF. Jim brings up a good point and the
> question is do we want it, or not?

As long as we're preserving autonomy for established projects, I think 
any model as long as it's consistent for smaller projects would work.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Might be best to remove it, and then if a project wants it they have to
> get to the mature phase of the project where they update their voting
> rules if they want to add that role.
>
> thoughts?
>
> Carl.
>



From jimjag at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 15:12:44 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:12:44 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6F718C.1080400@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>
	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>
	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>
	<4E6F718C.1080400@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <171C40BC-5508-4894-900D-B8C45688F674@redhat.com>

http://webmink.com/2011/03/11/is-apache-open-by-rule/

On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:

> On 09/13/2011 08:54 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> A project lead implies that somehow his/her vote is more important
>> than anyone else's, which is not how the ASF works.
>> 
>> The idea is to build a community that strives for consensus so that
>> the need for tie-breaking votes isn't required?
> 
> That's one model, but it's not the only model.  As it happens, there's a good LWN article right now on this topic.
> 
> http://lwn.net/Articles/458094/
> 
> The simple fact is, a large part of the ecosystem we're trying to build is already existing and has a diverse development model.  If we don't accommodate development model diversity, then we're going to exclude large parts of the ecosystem which is going to result in fragmentation.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Anthony Liguori
> 
>> If half the community
>> thinks A and the other B, then there is for sure no consensus.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Having 3 maintainers does not mean there isn't an overall project leader.  We have around 30 maintainers in QEMU but only one project leader.  The project leader casts the tie breaking vote.
>>> 
>>> It's the same model as the kernel and many other communities.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Anthony Liguori
>> 
>> --
>> Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)
>> 
> 

--
Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 15:42:48 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:42:48 -0400
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6E6141.5020003@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com> <4E6E6141.5020003@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E6F79F8.1050507@redhat.com>

On 09/12/2011 03:45 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> "In order to release a cohesive stack, everything needs to work
> together. The core of this is the engine. If a new project is started
> it needs to integrate with a published API, or an additional API needs
> to be created into the engine project to support the new project.
> Finally additional API?s can come into scope to provide
> facilities/capabilities that the engine consumes. The board signs off
> on which project provide API?s to make sure there is coordination
> between the projects. The board is not responsible for the technical
> aspects of the API?s, just the facilitation when named API projects
> are added or removed."
>
> It feels a bit out of place.  Perhaps it's because I don't have a good
> grip on what the "engine project" is since it still doesn't exist as
> an open source project.
>
> Maybe we can just drop this paragraph or remove the bits about the
> engine?  The rest looks great. 


The engine is the core framework for us, as I posted in the piece on how
eclipse works. I would like to add it and we can discuss in more detail
in the governance tracks at the workshop and edit as required.

However to the point on related projects, I'm going to add a para on that

Carl.


From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Tue Sep 13 16:14:04 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:14:04 -0500
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6F79F8.1050507@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com> <4E6E6141.5020003@us.ibm.com>
	<4E6F79F8.1050507@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6F814C.2080003@us.ibm.com>

On 09/13/2011 10:42 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/12/2011 03:45 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> "In order to release a cohesive stack, everything needs to work
>> together. The core of this is the engine. If a new project is started
>> it needs to integrate with a published API, or an additional API needs
>> to be created into the engine project to support the new project.
>> Finally additional API?s can come into scope to provide
>> facilities/capabilities that the engine consumes. The board signs off
>> on which project provide API?s to make sure there is coordination
>> between the projects. The board is not responsible for the technical
>> aspects of the API?s, just the facilitation when named API projects
>> are added or removed."
>>
>> It feels a bit out of place.  Perhaps it's because I don't have a good
>> grip on what the "engine project" is since it still doesn't exist as
>> an open source project.
>>
>> Maybe we can just drop this paragraph or remove the bits about the
>> engine?  The rest looks great.
>
>
> The engine is the core framework for us, as I posted in the piece on how
> eclipse works. I would like to add it and we can discuss in more detail
> in the governance tracks at the workshop and edit as required.

Okay, it makes sense re: eclipse but I think we need to come up with a 
firm mission statement of the engine project.

The way it's positioned, if RHEV-M Server is oVirt Engine, then you're 
excluding the possibility of having an stand alone VDSM with tools that 
build directly on top of VDSM.  If that's the case, then it dramatically 
affects the type of ecosystem being built here.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> However to the point on related projects, I'm going to add a para on that
>
> Carl.
>



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 16:39:59 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:39:59 -0400
Subject: Board
Message-ID: <4E6F875F.7090000@redhat.com>

(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)


This I believe is the governance doc we need to get going. please review.

I will work on licensing next.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 16:48:12 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:48:12 -0400
Subject: Board
In-Reply-To: <4E6F875F.7090000@redhat.com>
References: <4E6F875F.7090000@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E6F894C.9030803@redhat.com>

On 09/13/2011 12:39 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>
>
> This I believe is the governance doc we need to get going. please review.

                                    ^^ last ^^

:-)

Carl.


From dfediuck at redhat.com  Tue Sep 13 21:17:59 2011
From: dfediuck at redhat.com (Doron Fediuck)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:17:59 +0300
Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
In-Reply-To: <4E6F7A9C.9070505@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E5DCD.7070109@redhat.com>
	<201109131723.39332.dfediuck@redhat.com>
	<4E6F7A9C.9070505@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <201109140017.59797.dfediuck@redhat.com>

On Tuesday 13 September 2011 18:45:32 Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/13/2011 10:23 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
> > On Tuesday 13 September 2011 17:11:47 Doron Fediuck wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 13 September 2011 11:24:16 Itamar Heim wrote:
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> >>> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> >>>> Trieloff
> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 22:30 PM
> >>>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> >>>> Subject: Adding a project to oVirt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> >>>> Anthony, I believe I have your comments worked into this doc, please
> >>>> take a look.
> >>>>
> >>>> Itamar, please review the two project rules.
> >>> Looks ok to me, my concerns are on the rules implied by this, but that's
> >>> on another thread.
> >>> Cc'ing more reviewers
> >>>
> >> The API restriction may be too much.
> >> Assuming engine is RHEV-M, important projects similar to KSM[1]
> >> will not be a part of oVirt, and we may end up loosing important innovations.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure RHEV-M (engine) is fully equivalent to eclipse, and therefore
> >> the API rule may harm us.
> >>
> >> As I see it, either we define oVirt umbrella as an union model (rings around
> >> rhev-m), and acknowledge the fact we'll be loosing projects, or use an eco-environment
> >> for visualization, by restricting the API rule to engin-related project, and
> >> accepting other project which will commit to the other eco-system rule(s).
> >>
> > Sorry for mail my previous typo's (visualization -> virtualization, engin->engine, etc).
> >
> > One more thing I left out;
> > What I'm missing in this document is a review process to a new project.
> > IE- Do we accept any new project or do we have some minimal 'due diligence'
> > of the project. 
> >
> > For example;
> > - Who owns it?
> > - Is there some commitment behind it, or is it a 'one man show'? 
> > - Does is have a malicious potential?
> >
> > These are all examples I hope we won't need to face.
> > I think it should be considered and added into the document, if you feel the same.
> >
> 
> I've added this
> 
> In addition the board my vote to include additional projects that are
> complementary to the oVirt eco-system on a case by case basis.
> 
> Carl.
> 
> 
ACK with the following minor fix:
my=> may

-- 

/d

"Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?"


From iheim at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 10:24:28 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:24:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <AA3A11BD-F07A-4BB8-8936-020C52F383E1@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>	<1cbe01cc721d$68d29130$3a77b390$@com>
	<4E6F67D5.1060904@redhat.com>
	<AA3A11BD-F07A-4BB8-8936-020C52F383E1@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <206b01cc72c8$3e50a540$baf1efc0$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Jagielski
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 17:27 PM
> To: cctrieloff at redhat.com
> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: oVirt comminuty voting
> 
> 
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> 
> > On 09/13/2011 10:01 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> >> How often are these and how do they get resolved?
> >> How is a nack by someone resolved if majority are in agreement (ack
it)?
> >
> >
> > A nack is invalid (an has to be withdrawn) unless solid technical
reason
> > are given and the debate around those reasons hold.
> >
> > Jim -- want to add?
> 
> 
> Yep, that's right. In Apache-speak, it's called a 'veto'

How often do these happen?


From iheim at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 10:24:29 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:24:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6F726A.8090902@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>	<4E6F6259.8080700@redhat.com>
	<4E6F726A.8090902@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <206c01cc72c8$3fbb0ab0$bf312010$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
> Liguori
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 18:11 PM
> To: cctrieloff at redhat.com
> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: oVirt comminuty voting
> 
> On 09/13/2011 09:02 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> > On 09/13/2011 09:54 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> >> A project lead implies that somehow his/her vote is more important
> >> than anyone else's, which is not how the ASF works.
> >>
> >> The idea is to build a community that strives for consensus so that
> >> the need for tie-breaking votes isn't required. If half the community
> >> thinks A and the other B, then there is for sure no consensus.
> >
> >
> > I know many of the Linux projects use the concept of a group elected
tie
> > break role. This is different to ASF. Jim brings up a good point and
the
> > question is do we want it, or not?
> 
> As long as we're preserving autonomy for established projects, I think
> any model as long as it's consistent for smaller projects would work.

Do we count ovirt engine as an established project :) ?
I think our current model is of a tie breaking vote in case of
disagreement...


From iheim at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 10:27:32 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:27:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <207201cc72c8$ac2eddc0$048c9940$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 21:08 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Jim Jagielski
> Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
> 
> 
> 
> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
> is good enough to get going with.
> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
> 
> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.

Another thought/issue:
Currently maintainer == committer.
Ovirt engine has multiple modules in it.
While a lot of people have commit rights, they are not considered
maintainers of the entire project.
However, it makes sense for them to commit the holistic patch across
multiple modules once all acks are given.

So to me, a maintainer is someone who can ack a patch for a certain module
A committer can commit code, but is responsible to not commit without an
ack from the relevant maintainer if the patch encompasses subsystems
outside of his domain expertise (i.e., committer is not maintainer in all
portions the patch set will touch)

Thoughts?


From kwade at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 11:13:03 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:13:03 -0700
Subject: new oVirt website
Message-ID: <20110914111303.GK7189@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>

There is a new oVirt project website in staging, and kept private for
now:

http://lists.ovirt.org
username: ovirtstaging
password: 1zGn48XEZPHFe

For the content discussed here and from the Google Doc, the new
canonical location for that is the website.

Here is the work still to be done:

* The header graphic needs an update that is relevant to oVirt. It
  should be 990x180 pixels. Do you have any designers available to
  help with this? (Resulting work under ASL 2.0.)

  - Maybe we need a new logo?

* The subproject matrix needs fixing - information, content updates,
  and making it prettier/clearer. If anyone has CSS expertise, we can
  probably make a quick fix to the site CSS for that.

* Figure out final hosting arrangements, which can be discussed
  with the infrastructure team
  (http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra.)

* Creation of remaining mailing lists.

* Finish of MediaWiki installation, configuration, and initial
  population of wiki content - how to write pages, how to use for
  subprojects, etc.

* Write up some procedures for how to manage content, add News/Events
  items, and so forth to the main website.

As you look over the site, keep these things in mind:

* We'll start using @ovirt soon, it's a blank feed until then.
* RSS feed for "News" on the right may break due to site
  authentication.
* Some mailing lists are not live yet.
* If you see a problem, bug, content missing or needing improving,
  etc. - bring that discussion here, but you can also take a new user
  account and help us fix it directly, just ask.

Thanks - Karsten
-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
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                        http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
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From rbergero at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 12:04:13 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:04:13 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Agenda :: 2011-09-14
Message-ID: <4E70983D.1050803@redhat.com>

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Agenda

Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am 
US Pacific)

== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers

If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like 
it to be, please send rbergero at redhat.com an email.

== Intercall Conference ==
Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679
International Dial-In Number: (212) 729-5016
Other International Local and Toll-Free Dial-In Numbers: Listed in 
meeting invite and bottom of meeting agenda.

Conference code: 9197544554

If you are not actively participating in the conversation
please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to 
hear.
*6 -- Mute your line
#6 -- Unmute your line

== Project Schedule ==
  * Mass invite deck - September 19th
    * Deck and email that can be used to invite to the workshop
    * Do we want a list for this ( or use rsvp to planning)
  * Website Launch - September 16 or 19th
    * This is just enough content to explain the project, and advertise 
the workshop
  * Promote workshop at every event we can between Sept 20th and Nov 8th
  * Send out invites / invite list
  * oVirt Workshop - November 8 & 9th
    * USA - CA - hosted By IBM / Cisco / Intel
      * Press release post workshop
      * Community startup at workshop
      * Schedule first community release
  * Community Infrastructure
    * Launch at workshop
    * First release - January/February.

== Working Shared Document ==
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

== Agenda ==

1) Board invites, status
  *  New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
    * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back
  * Confirmed but additional follow-up
    * Intel (additional contacts) (Mike Day)

2) Project launch status / Progress review
  * Updated schedule
  * Generic slide deck (review)
  * Draft workshop invite (review)
    * Invite date: Sept. 19th
  * Website
  * Governance docs

3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
  *  Settle date/location
    * Looks to be possibly California, Bay Area, week of Nov. 7.
  * Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list
    * (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
  * Status on facilities availability:
    * IBM (Mike Day)
    * Cisco (Kyle)
    * Intel (Carl, Dave Stewart)

4) Positioning/Differentiation Points (Karsten)
  * Need to add to updated slide deck

5) Governance Docs (Carl)

6) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
  * Project naming status
  * BZ, mailing lists.

7) Other updates / Agenda topics

== Previous Action Items ==
  * Owners to follow up on confirmations with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html).
  * Mike/Ryan of IBM, possibly Carl, to follow up on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) status.
  * Carl to update list with: (a) Updated briefing deck, (b) draft  
invitation letter
  * Robyn to update agenda for next week with time dedicated to review 
of deck, invitation letter
  * Dave Stewart to check with Intel on possibility of hosting space
  * Kyle Mestery to check with Cisco on possibility of hosting space
  * Carl to follow up with IBM on possibility of hosting space
  * Karsten to continue with infrastructure work, will be pushing  
updates to mailing list.
  * Itamar to continue working of naming of projects that will be pushed 
to the website, and send out an update of that list in the next few days.
  * Karsten to continue with website work

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From yzaslavs at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 13:33:30 2011
From: yzaslavs at redhat.com (Yair Zaslavsky)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:33:30 +0300
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <207201cc72c8$ac2eddc0$048c9940$@com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <207201cc72c8$ac2eddc0$048c9940$@com>
Message-ID: <4E70AD2A.2000808@redhat.com>

On 09/14/2011 01:27 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>
>    
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
>>      
> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
>    
>> Trieloff
>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 21:08 PM
>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Jim Jagielski
>> Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
>>
>>
>>
>> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure it
>> is good enough to get going with.
>>
>>
>>      
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>    
>> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
>>
>> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
>> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
>>      
> Another thought/issue:
> Currently maintainer == committer.
> Ovirt engine has multiple modules in it.
> While a lot of people have commit rights, they are not considered
> maintainers of the entire project.
> However, it makes sense for them to commit the holistic patch across
> multiple modules once all acks are given.
>
> So to me, a maintainer is someone who can ack a patch for a certain module
> A committer can commit code, but is responsible to not commit without an
>    
Another question here -
when you speak of modules - are you referring also for sub modules,  for 
example - the bll and dal modules in engine core?

> ack from the relevant maintainer if the patch encompasses subsystems
> outside of his domain expertise (i.e., committer is not maintainer in all
> portions the patch set will touch)
>
> Thoughts?
>    

> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>    



From iheim at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 13:39:02 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:39:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <4E70AD2A.2000808@redhat.com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com> <207201cc72c8$ac2eddc0$048c9940$@com>
	<4E70AD2A.2000808@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20b501cc72e3$6ab2d7f0$401887d0$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Yair
> Zaslavsky
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 16:34 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: oVirt comminuty voting
> 
> On 09/14/2011 01:27 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> >>
> > [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> >
> >> Trieloff
> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 21:08 PM
> >> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Jim Jagielski
> >> Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please read, we can always vote in updates, so proof it and make sure
it
> >> is good enough to get going with.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> >
> >> Jim, if you also proof, given your experience in this area
> >>
> >> I have linked it into the web site layout in the google doc, I'll be
> >> working all the key sections one by one to get us going for launch.
> >>
> > Another thought/issue:
> > Currently maintainer == committer.
> > Ovirt engine has multiple modules in it.
> > While a lot of people have commit rights, they are not considered
> > maintainers of the entire project.
> > However, it makes sense for them to commit the holistic patch across
> > multiple modules once all acks are given.
> >
> > So to me, a maintainer is someone who can ack a patch for a certain
module
> > A committer can commit code, but is responsible to not commit without
an
> >
> Another question here -
> when you speak of modules - are you referring also for sub modules,  for
> example - the bll and dal modules in engine core?

I was thinking more across what we call projects, but we could define same
level of granularity to regions in the engine core itself as well.

> 
> > ack from the relevant maintainer if the patch encompasses subsystems
> > outside of his domain expertise (i.e., committer is not maintainer in
all
> > portions the patch set will touch)
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Project-planning mailing list
> > Project-planning at ovirt.org
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 13:45:46 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:45:46 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <206b01cc72c8$3e50a540$baf1efc0$@com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>	<1cbe01cc721d$68d29130$3a77b390$@com>
	<4E6F67D5.1060904@redhat.com>
	<AA3A11BD-F07A-4BB8-8936-020C52F383E1@redhat.com>
	<206b01cc72c8$3e50a540$baf1efc0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E70B00A.40005@redhat.com>

On 09/14/2011 06:24 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> Yep, that's right. In Apache-speak, it's called a 'veto'
> How often do these happe

I see one that results in debate about every 2+ years on the one project
I run.  You may see them on a release vote during testing if issues are
found or licenses missing etc, typically the a patch is submitted to
resolve it and the vote goes on.

Most time feedback is taken and code is improved through normal working.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 13:47:20 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:47:20 -0400
Subject: oVirt comminuty voting
In-Reply-To: <206c01cc72c8$3fbb0ab0$bf312010$@com>
References: <4E6A5619.3060009@redhat.com>	<4E6A5F6D.1010708@us.ibm.com>	<4E6A6421.4050605@redhat.com>	<4E6A6AEA.1040008@us.ibm.com>	<727CDBF5-DFD3-4FF9-A7B8-BF3F2242DF16@redhat.com>	<4E6F6259.8080700@redhat.com>
	<4E6F726A.8090902@us.ibm.com> <206c01cc72c8$3fbb0ab0$bf312010$@com>
Message-ID: <4E70B068.605@redhat.com>

On 09/14/2011 06:24 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> As long as we're preserving autonomy for established projects, I think
>> > any model as long as it's consistent for smaller projects would work.
> Do we count ovirt engine as an established project :) ?
> I think our current model is of a tie breaking vote in case of
> disagreement...


I think we want board ack one the first few releases of engine so we can
get our community release processes documented.

Carl.


From iheim at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 14:00:59 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:00:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Agenda :: 2011-09-14
In-Reply-To: <4E70983D.1050803@redhat.com>
References: <4E70983D.1050803@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20c901cc72e6$7b921ec0$72b65c40$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Robyn
> Bergeron
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 15:04 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Agenda :: 2011-09-14
> 
> oVirt Sync Call Meeting Agenda
> 
> Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am
> US Pacific)
> 
> == Invitees/Attendees ==
> project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers
> 
> If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like
> it to be, please send rbergero at redhat.com an email.
> 
> == Intercall Conference ==
> Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679
> International Dial-In Number: (212) 729-5016
> Other International Local and Toll-Free Dial-In Numbers: Listed in
> meeting invite and bottom of meeting agenda.
> 
> Conference code: 9197544554
> 
> If you are not actively participating in the conversation
> please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to
> hear.
> *6 -- Mute your line
> #6 -- Unmute your line
> 
> == Project Schedule ==
>   * Mass invite deck - September 19th
>     * Deck and email that can be used to invite to the workshop
>     * Do we want a list for this ( or use rsvp to planning)
>   * Website Launch - September 16 or 19th
>     * This is just enough content to explain the project, and advertise
> the workshop
>   * Promote workshop at every event we can between Sept 20th and Nov 8th
>   * Send out invites / invite list
>   * oVirt Workshop - November 8 & 9th

Didn't we remove these dates from discussion in favor of the week before?

>     * USA - CA - hosted By IBM / Cisco / Intel
>       * Press release post workshop
>       * Community startup at workshop
>       * Schedule first community release
>   * Community Infrastructure
>     * Launch at workshop
>     * First release - January/February.
> 
> == Working Shared Document ==
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> == Agenda ==
> 
> 1) Board invites, status
>   *  New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
>     * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
>     * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back
>   * Confirmed but additional follow-up
>     * Intel (additional contacts) (Mike Day)
> 
> 2) Project launch status / Progress review
>   * Updated schedule
>   * Generic slide deck (review)
>   * Draft workshop invite (review)
>     * Invite date: Sept. 19th
>   * Website
>   * Governance docs
> 
> 3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
>   *  Settle date/location
>     * Looks to be possibly California, Bay Area, week of Nov. 7.
>   * Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list
>     * (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>
>   * Status on facilities availability:
>     * IBM (Mike Day)
>     * Cisco (Kyle)
>     * Intel (Carl, Dave Stewart)
> 
> 4) Positioning/Differentiation Points (Karsten)
>   * Need to add to updated slide deck
> 
> 5) Governance Docs (Carl)
> 
> 6) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
>   * Project naming status
>   * BZ, mailing lists.
> 
> 7) Other updates / Agenda topics
> 
> == Previous Action Items ==
>   * Owners to follow up on confirmations with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html).
>   * Mike/Ryan of IBM, possibly Carl, to follow up on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) status.
>   * Carl to update list with: (a) Updated briefing deck, (b) draft
> invitation letter
>   * Robyn to update agenda for next week with time dedicated to review
> of deck, invitation letter
>   * Dave Stewart to check with Intel on possibility of hosting space
>   * Kyle Mestery to check with Cisco on possibility of hosting space
>   * Carl to follow up with IBM on possibility of hosting space
>   * Karsten to continue with infrastructure work, will be pushing
> updates to mailing list.
>   * Itamar to continue working of naming of projects that will be pushed
> to the website, and send out an update of that list in the next few
days.

The relevant google doc has the names of projects.

>   * Karsten to continue with website work
> 
> == International Dial-in Information ==
> 
> Global Access Numbers Local:
> Australia, Sydney Dial-In #: 0289852326
> Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 012534978196
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> 
> 
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> Austria Dial-In #: 0800005898
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> Belgium Dial-In #: 080048325
> Brazil Dial-In #: 08008921002
> Bulgaria Dial-In #: 008001100236
> Chile Dial-In #: 800370228
> Colombia Dial-In #: 018009134033
> Costa Rica Dial-In #: 08000131048
> Cyprus Dial-In #: 80095297
> Czech Republic Dial-In #: 800700318
> Denmark Dial-In #: 80887114
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> Germany Dial-In #: 8006647541
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> Hong Kong Dial-In #: 800930349
> Hungary Dial-In #: 0680016796
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> Indonesia Dial-In #: 0018030179162
> Ireland Dial-In #: 1800932401
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> Italy Dial-In #: 800985897
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> Japan Dial-In #: 0120934453
> Korea (South) Dial-In #: 007986517393
> Latvia Dial-In #: 80003339
> Lithuania Dial-In #: 880030479
> Luxembourg Dial-In #: 80026595
> Malaysia Dial-In #: 1800814451
> Mexico Dial-In #: 0018664590915
> New Zealand Dial-In #: 0800888167
> Norway Dial-In #: 80012994
> Panama Dial-In #: 008002269184
> Philippines Dial-In #: 180011100991
> Poland Dial-In #: 008001210187
> Portugal Dial-In #: 800814625
> Russian Federation Dial-In #: 81080028341012
> Saint Kitts and Nevis Dial-In #: 18002059252
> Singapore Dial-In #: 8006162235
> Slovak Republic Dial-In #: 0800001441
> South Africa Dial-In #: 0800981148
> Spain Dial-In #: 800300524
> Sweden Dial-In #: 200896860
> Switzerland Dial-In #: 800650077
> Taiwan Dial-In #: 00801127141
> Thailand Dial-In #: 001800656966
> Trinidad and Tobago Dial-In #: 18002024615
> United Arab Emirates Dial-In #: 8000650591
> United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08006948057
> United States Dial-In #: 8004518679
> Uruguay Dial-In #: 00040190315
> Venezuela Dial-In #: 08001627182
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 15:02:24 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:02:24 -0400
Subject: Can you please mail me your company logo,
Message-ID: <4E70C200.7070003@redhat.com>


It is for the strategically supporters page, else I'll be forced to pull
a random one from your site :-)

Thx
Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 19:12:53 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:12:53 -0400
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
Message-ID: <4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>



Kyle, Imad,

Any break through on location confirm from either Cisco or Intel?

Carl


On 09/12/2011 01:17 PM, Sousou, Imad wrote:
> Same here from intel
> Imad
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:16 AM, "Michael D Day" <mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks Kyle for the update.
>> On 09/12/2011 12:54 PM, kmestery wrote:
>>> Carl:
>>>
>>> Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do
>> today to get a decision one way or another.
> As a backup option in case this doesn't work out I'm investigating the availability of an IBM facility in the Bay Area.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Day
> IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | <mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com> mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>
> <http://code.ncultra.org>http://code.ncultra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org<mailto:Project-planning at ovirt.org>
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From david.c.stewart at intel.com  Wed Sep 14 19:35:32 2011
From: david.c.stewart at intel.com (Stewart, David C)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:35:32 -0700
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <B27EBC40D200ED48A3F4CC2EBEABAE0B260C24DA50@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

Hi Carl - let me look into this on the Intel side.  We're still talking Bay Area and Nov 2 and 3, right?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org [mailto:project-planning-
>bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl Trieloff
>Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:13 PM
>To: Sousou, Imad
>Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
>Subject: Re: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
>
>
>
>Kyle, Imad,
>
>Any break through on location confirm from either Cisco or Intel?
>
>Carl
>
>
>On 09/12/2011 01:17 PM, Sousou, Imad wrote:
>> Same here from intel
>> Imad
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:16 AM, "Michael D Day"
><mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Kyle for the update.
>>> On 09/12/2011 12:54 PM, kmestery wrote:
>>>> Carl:
>>>>
>>>> Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do
>>> today to get a decision one way or another.
>> As a backup option in case this doesn't work out I'm investigating the
>availability of an IBM facility in the Bay Area.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Day
>> IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
>> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | <mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>
>mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>
>> <http://code.ncultra.org>http://code.ncultra.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org<mailto:Project-planning at ovirt.org>
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>
>_______________________________________________
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 19:36:54 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:36:54 -0400
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <B27EBC40D200ED48A3F4CC2EBEABAE0B260C24DA50@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<B27EBC40D200ED48A3F4CC2EBEABAE0B260C24DA50@orsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <4E710256.3090104@redhat.com>


yes,

November 1st - 3rd.  Bay Area.

Carl.


On 09/14/2011 03:35 PM, Stewart, David C wrote:
> Hi Carl - let me look into this on the Intel side.  We're still talking Bay Area and Nov 2 and 3, right?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org [mailto:project-planning-
>> bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl Trieloff
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:13 PM
>> To: Sousou, Imad
>> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
>> Subject: Re: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
>>
>>
>>
>> Kyle, Imad,
>>
>> Any break through on location confirm from either Cisco or Intel?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> On 09/12/2011 01:17 PM, Sousou, Imad wrote:
>>> Same here from intel
>>> Imad
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:16 AM, "Michael D Day"
>> <mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Kyle for the update.
>>>> On 09/12/2011 12:54 PM, kmestery wrote:
>>>>> Carl:
>>>>>
>>>>> Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do
>>>> today to get a decision one way or another.
>>> As a backup option in case this doesn't work out I'm investigating the
>> availability of an IBM facility in the Bay Area.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Mike Day
>>> IBM Distinguished Engineer
>>> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
>>> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | <mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>
>> mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>
>>> <http://code.ncultra.org>http://code.ncultra.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org<mailto:Project-planning at ovirt.org>
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From kmestery at cisco.com  Wed Sep 14 19:38:09 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:38:09 -0500
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>

Still awaiting word yet, Carl, will reply back to the list as soon as I hear anything.

Kyle

On Sep 14, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> 
> 
> Kyle, Imad,
> 
> Any break through on location confirm from either Cisco or Intel?
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
> On 09/12/2011 01:17 PM, Sousou, Imad wrote:
>> Same here from intel
>> Imad
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:16 AM, "Michael D Day" <mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks Kyle for the update.
>>> On 09/12/2011 12:54 PM, kmestery wrote:
>>>> Carl:
>>>> 
>>>> Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do
>>> today to get a decision one way or another.
>> As a backup option in case this doesn't work out I'm investigating the availability of an IBM facility in the Bay Area.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Mike Day
>> IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
>> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | <mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com> mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>
>> <http://code.ncultra.org>http://code.ncultra.org
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org<mailto:Project-planning at ovirt.org>
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 19:38:34 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:38:34 -0400
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <4E7102BA.4080006@redhat.com>



Thanks Kyle. This is last piece of info I need to work through the
materials at which time I believe we are about ready to go public.

Carl.


On 09/14/2011 03:38 PM, kmestery wrote:
> Still awaiting word yet, Carl, will reply back to the list as soon as I hear anything.
>
> Kyle
>
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
>>
>> Kyle, Imad,
>>
>> Any break through on location confirm from either Cisco or Intel?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> On 09/12/2011 01:17 PM, Sousou, Imad wrote:
>>> Same here from intel
>>> Imad
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:16 AM, "Michael D Day" <mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks Kyle for the update.
>>>> On 09/12/2011 12:54 PM, kmestery wrote:
>>>>> Carl:
>>>>>
>>>>> Still waiting on word internally on this, will see what I can do
>>>> today to get a decision one way or another.
>>> As a backup option in case this doesn't work out I'm investigating the availability of an IBM facility in the Bay Area.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Mike Day
>>> IBM Distinguished Engineer
>>> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
>>> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | <mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com> mdday at us.ibm.com<mailto:mdday at us.ibm.com>
>>> <http://code.ncultra.org>http://code.ncultra.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org<mailto:Project-planning at ovirt.org>
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From mdday at us.ibm.com  Wed Sep 14 20:44:38 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:44:38 -0400
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>


kmestery <kmestery at cisco.com> wrote on 09/14/2011 03:38:09 PM:
>
> Still awaiting word yet, Carl, will reply back to the list as soon
> as I hear anything.
>

Hi folks, update from IBM: the Almaden research facility is NOT available
those dates. The Silicon Valley Briefing center IS available, but not the
briefing center itself - instead the standard office and conference rooms
are available. BUT no wireless access for non-IBMers. So I would recommend
the IBM SVN briefing center as the last option for Silicon Valley.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 14 20:58:58 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:58:58 -0400
Subject: Location (for Cisco, IBM, Intel)
In-Reply-To: <OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
	<OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E711592.50800@redhat.com>

On 09/14/2011 04:44 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
>
> Hi folks, update from IBM: the Almaden research facility is NOT
> available those dates. The Silicon Valley Briefing center IS
> available, but not the briefing center itself - instead the standard
> office and conference rooms are available. BUT no wireless access for
> non-IBMers. So I would recommend the IBM SVN briefing center as the
> last option for Silicon Valley. 

Thanks Mike,

We will wait to hear from Intel / Cisco / NetApp

Carl.


From lpeer at redhat.com  Thu Sep 15 08:17:03 2011
From: lpeer at redhat.com (Livnat Peer)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:17:03 +0300
Subject: oVirt site
Message-ID: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com>


Hi,

I reviewed the documents on the site and it looks great.

Here are some comments i have on the different documents:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Becoming a maintainer -

A very good document.

typos:
- "(More on joining the board here ?)" - add a
link to the board doc
- " to some projects that to others " - s/that/than
- "or to be become a maintainer" - remove the 'be'

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Adding a sub-project -

- I think the title should be "Adding a project" to be consistent with
the rest of the docs on the site.

typo:
- "In addition the board my vote" - s/my/may
- "theoVirt" - the oVirt

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Voting -

1. If the R-T-C policy is in effect the document says that +1 means
?I have tested this patch myself, and found it good.?.

I find this requirement to be too strict. I think that testing a patch
is the responsibility of the patch submitter and reviewing a patch
should not require actual testing.

I suggest the following instead -

For me reviewing a patch (+1 for a patch) means:
 - The patch make sense
 - The patch follows the project standards (e.g. code format)
 - The patch takes into account the different aspects/components of the
project
  - The patch does not changes any core behavior or introduces new
concepts that were not discussed in the mailing list beforehand.

If the reviewer wants to test the patch or thinks additional testing is
needed then he better do so but i would not go and set that as a
requirement.


2. The document says that a three +1 votes are required for a pass.
In the context of patch approval that requirement might be an overkill.

I am looking at the engine project as an example there are a lot of
patches a day, large part of them are not too complicated and one ack
can be enough for validation.
Requiring 3 acks can slow the development and i am not sure it is
justified/needed.

I suggest that by default a patch should require only one ack. If a
patch introduces a major change or new concepts the patch submitter
should mark the patch as such and ask for 3 acks. In addition if a patch
reviewer thinks a patch has some level of complexity he can also ask the
patch to have 3 acks before approval.

This approach can also contribute for Developing and Maturing projects
which do not have the needed resources to deal with 3 acks for each patch.


typos:
- "majour" - s/majour/major
- The title "Vetos" is lost in the Votes on releases section.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Board -

typo:
- "with 10 or more resource" - s/resource/resources

-----------------------------------------------------------------------



Thanks, Livnat


From rbergero at redhat.com  Thu Sep 15 13:44:54 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:44:54 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-14
Message-ID: <4E720156.904@redhat.com>

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes

Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am 
US Pacific)

== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers

Carl Trieloff (Red Hat)
Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat)
Kyle Mestery (Cisco)
Adam Mendoza (NetApp)
Karsten Wade (Red Hat)
Itamar Heim (Red Hat)
Jon Benedict (NetApp)
Frank Novak (IBM)
Ralf Flaxa (SuSE)
Mike Day (IBM)
Andy Cathrow (Red Hat)
Perry Myers (Red Hat)

Apologies if your name was omitted.

== Action Items ==
  * Mike Day - Follow up with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), advise that they have less than 
3 days to commit
  * Carl Trieloff - Update google doc to reflect correct workshop date 
in all areas
  * Andy Cathrow - Follow up with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (has meeting scheduled), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) 
((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html))
  * Karsten Wade - set up rsvp list at rsvp at ovirt.org for attendees to 
indicate attendance
  * Robyn Bergeron / Karsten to subscribe everyone on-list to board list 
- board list will be public, planning list will still be private.
  * Robyn/Carl/Karsten to send out a final version of all docs, 
locations, etc.
  * Carl following up on workspace availability.
  * ALL: Please review slides, invite, webpage.
  * ALL: We need a relevant logo or picture on the website for launch - 
taking suggestions. Details/size of image are posted.
  * ALL: Looking around for people proficient in CSS markup - if you 
can, or know of a potential volunteer, please follow up for website items.

== Project Schedule ==
  * Mass invite deck - September 19th
    * Deck and email that can be used to invite to the workshop
    * Do we want a list for this ( or use rsvp to planning)
  * Website Launch - September 16 or 19th
    * This is just enough content to explain the project, and advertise 
the workshop
  * Promote workshop at every event we can between Sept 20th and Nov 8th
  * Send out invites / invite list
  * oVirt Workshop - November 1-3
    * USA - CA - hosted By IBM / Cisco / Intel
      * Press release post workshop
      * Community startup at workshop
      * Schedule first community release
  * Community Infrastructure
    * Launch at workshop
    * First release - January/February.

== Working Shared Document ==
(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

== Agenda ==

General Updates:
  * Website work has been ongoing.
  * To-do: Need to update google doc workshop date to reflect Nov 1-3.
  * Any website mistakes as people flip through - please send to the 
project-planning list.
    * You may also get a writer/editor/admin account and edit the site 
directly.
  * We need a relevant logo or picture on the website for launch - 
taking suggestions. Details/size of image are posted.
  * Fishing around for people proficient in CSS markup - if you can, or 
know of a potential volunteer, please follow up for website items.

1) Board invites, status
  *  New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
      * Need to update that they have 3 days. Mike to follow up.
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) to also know that we're on a timeline.
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Andy has a 10pm call tonight with them.
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - wants to join
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - 
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML) - Carl hasn't been able to finalize the meeting, will just 
keep moving.
  * Confirmed but additional follow-up
    * Intel (additional contacts) (Mike Day)
      * Have been participating in call

2) Project launch status / Progress review
  * Updated schedule - posted in this agenda.
  * Generic slide deck (review)
    * Will get updated with location/final logistics once we have them.
  * Draft workshop invite (review)
    * Invite date: Sept. 19th
  * Website
    * Website is live - will start moving stuff into website and depart 
from the google docs space.
    * Companies strategically supporting oVirt - thinking of putting 
groups' logos in
    * Companies supporting initiative, but not stepped up from a Board 
perspective - start collecting their logos on the lower half of the page?
    * Do we want to start this page at the workshop, or now, and fill it 
out more towards the workshop?
    * Bottom half could be difficult - hard to vet who the interest is 
without them being firmly committed. Might choose to omit second half.
  * Governance docs
  * Infrastructure / mailing lists will be getting created through the 
end of the week
  * Do a go/no-go on Monday, and hopefully send out the invite for the 
workshop.
  * For sending out invites - start sending out invites, tweeting, 
social media, etc. Also anyone speaking publicly can use the deck/invite 
letter. Just send out to our own personal/respective open source 
communities.
  * Set up an rsvp list at RSVP at ovirt.org - anyone wanting to come can 
drop a mail there for keeping track of running headcount, announcements.
  * Robyn/Carl/Karsten to send out a final version of all docs, 
locations, etc.
  * Twitter hashtag info: #ovirt
  * Carl will talk to OVA folks, etc. on Monday, once we go live.
  * When we've spoken to someone - fire a mail off to planning list.
  * Can we use OVA for buzz? Doesn't hit tech community as much, but 
could create buzz.
  * Could do a press release with OVA on day of invite - and then have 
oVirt have their own press release post-workshop.
    * OVA has a weekly meeting - could be contacted.
    * We should send at least the core information to the OVA membership 
- details for the workshop, etc.
    * Should take a matter of a few days to do PR with OVA.
  * Robyn / Karsten to subscribe everyone on-list to board list - board 
list will be public, planning list will still be private.

3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
  *  Settle date/location
    * Looks to be possibly California, Bay Area, week of Nov. 1-3.
  * Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list
    * (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
  * Status on facilities availability:
    * IBM (Mike Day) - not working for those dates
    * Cisco (Kyle) - will ping higher-ups again today.
    * Intel (Carl, Dave Stewart)

4) Positioning/Differentiation Points (Karsten)
  *  Has been added to slide deck, both basic and expanded

5) Governance Docs
  * All governance info has been moved onto the website.
  * Legal stuff getting posted (licenses, etc.) to website.

6) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item)
  * Project naming status
  * BZ, mailing lists.

7) Other updates / Agenda topics


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 15 16:10:09 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:10:09 -0400
Subject: oVirt site
In-Reply-To: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com>
References: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E722361.2000708@redhat.com>

On 09/15/2011 04:17 AM, Livnat Peer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I reviewed the documents on the site and it looks great.
>
> Here are some comments i have on the different documents:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Becoming a maintainer -
>
> A very good document.
>
> typos:
> - "(More on joining the board here ?)" - add a
> link to the board doc
> - " to some projects that to others " - s/that/than
> - "or to be become a maintainer" - remove the 'be'
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Adding a sub-project -
>
> - I think the title should be "Adding a project" to be consistent with
> the rest of the docs on the site.
>
> typo:
> - "In addition the board my vote" - s/my/may
> - "theoVirt" - the oVirt
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Voting -
>
> 1. If the R-T-C policy is in effect the document says that +1 means
> ?I have tested this patch myself, and found it good.?.
>
> I find this requirement to be too strict. I think that testing a patch
> is the responsibility of the patch submitter and reviewing a patch
> should not require actual testing.

changed it to reviewed/tested


> I suggest the following instead -
>
> For me reviewing a patch (+1 for a patch) means:
>  - The patch make sense
>  - The patch follows the project standards (e.g. code format)
>  - The patch takes into account the different aspects/components of the
> project
>   - The patch does not changes any core behavior or introduces new
> concepts that were not discussed in the mailing list beforehand.

I've incorporated this, take a look and shout if you don't like how I
did it...


> If the reviewer wants to test the patch or thinks additional testing is
> needed then he better do so but i would not go and set that as a
> requirement.
>
>
> 2. The document says that a three +1 votes are required for a pass.
> In the context of patch approval that requirement might be an overkill.
>
> I am looking at the engine project as an example there are a lot of
> patches a day, large part of them are not too complicated and one ack
> can be enough for validation.
> Requiring 3 acks can slow the development and i am not sure it is
> justified/needed.
>
> I suggest that by default a patch should require only one ack. If a
> patch introduces a major change or new concepts the patch submitter
> should mark the patch as such and ask for 3 acks. In addition if a patch
> reviewer thinks a patch has some level of complexity he can also ask the
> patch to have 3 acks before approval.
>
> This approach can also contribute for Developing and Maturing projects
> which do not have the needed resources to deal with 3 acks for each patch.


I thought I covered this, you want 3 for anything big, but a simple ack
for minor stuff is fine. I re-read and added a bit to make it clearer.




>
>
> typos:
> - "majour" - s/majour/major
> - The title "Vetos" is lost in the Votes on releases section.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Board -
>
> typo:
> - "with 10 or more resource" - s/resource/resources
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>


Thanks,

All applied to the web site.

Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Thu Sep 15 16:17:26 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:17:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt site
In-Reply-To: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com>
References: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Livnat
> Peer
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:17 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Cc: Carl Trieloff
> Subject: oVirt site
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I reviewed the documents on the site and it looks great.
> 
> Here are some comments i have on the different documents:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Becoming a maintainer -
> 
> A very good document.
> 
> typos:
> - "(More on joining the board here .)" - add a
> link to the board doc
> - " to some projects that to others " - s/that/than
> - "or to be become a maintainer" - remove the 'be'
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Adding a sub-project -
> 
> - I think the title should be "Adding a project" to be consistent with
> the rest of the docs on the site.
> 
> typo:
> - "In addition the board my vote" - s/my/may
> - "theoVirt" - the oVirt
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Voting -
> 
> 1. If the R-T-C policy is in effect the document says that +1 means
> 'I have tested this patch myself, and found it good.'.
> 
> I find this requirement to be too strict. I think that testing a patch
> is the responsibility of the patch submitter and reviewing a patch
> should not require actual testing.
> 
> I suggest the following instead -
> 
> For me reviewing a patch (+1 for a patch) means:
>  - The patch make sense
>  - The patch follows the project standards (e.g. code format)
>  - The patch takes into account the different aspects/components of the
> project
>   - The patch does not changes any core behavior or introduces new
> concepts that were not discussed in the mailing list beforehand.
> 
> If the reviewer wants to test the patch or thinks additional testing is
> needed then he better do so but i would not go and set that as a
> requirement.
> 
> 
> 2. The document says that a three +1 votes are required for a pass.
> In the context of patch approval that requirement might be an overkill.
> 
> I am looking at the engine project as an example there are a lot of
> patches a day, large part of them are not too complicated and one ack
> can be enough for validation.
> Requiring 3 acks can slow the development and i am not sure it is
> justified/needed.
> 
> I suggest that by default a patch should require only one ack. If a
> patch introduces a major change or new concepts the patch submitter
> should mark the patch as such and ask for 3 acks. In addition if a patch
> reviewer thinks a patch has some level of complexity he can also ask the
> patch to have 3 acks before approval.
> 
> This approach can also contribute for Developing and Maturing projects
> which do not have the needed resources to deal with 3 acks for each
patch.


I'd extend on both points:
- patch verification is the responsibility of the submitter, but the
actual verification can be done by 3rd party if relevant (user complains
on a bug. patch is sent for user to verify solves the problem. Patch can
be submitted with note of verified by X).
- need to decide if patch must be verified before submitting, or
verification could be done as part of patch review (for example, gerrit
supports verification as part of flow. Some projects may prefer this
approach).
- (using gerrit terminology) anyone can +1 a patch. only maintainer can +2
the patch. a +1 would help a maintainer do the +2.
- going back to my earlier point on committer != maintainer: in a large
project, we'd still like committer to have right to commit to entire git
to make things simple, but may have maintainers (or call them sub
maintainers) per module in the project. A committer would expect (trust
would suffice I hope) the relevant maintainer[1] to give the +2 before
committing the patch[2]

[1] could be multiple maintainers, if patch touches multiple modules
(backend/api/ui/etc.)
[2] maintainer may push themselves, or leave to patch submitter if has
commit rights


> 
> 
> typos:
> - "majour" - s/majour/major
> - The title "Vetos" is lost in the Votes on releases section.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Board -
> 
> typo:
> - "with 10 or more resource" - s/resource/resources
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, Livnat
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 15 16:40:48 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:40:48 -0400
Subject: oVirt site
In-Reply-To: <255201cc73c2$b7427fa0$25c77ee0$@com>
References: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com> <255201cc73c2$b7427fa0$25c77ee0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E722A90.6050208@redhat.com>

On 09/15/2011 12:17 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> - need to decide if patch must be verified before submitting, or
> verification could be done as part of patch review (for example, gerrit
> supports verification as part of flow. Some projects may prefer this
> approach).
> - (using gerrit terminology) anyone can +1 a patch. only maintainer can +2
> the patch. a +1 would help a maintainer do the +2.
> - going back to my earlier point on committer != maintainer: in a large
> project, we'd still like committer to have right to commit to entire git
> to make things simple, but may have maintainers (or call them sub
> maintainers) per module in the project. A committer would expect (trust
> would suffice I hope) the relevant maintainer[1] to give the +2 before
> committing the patch[2]

Itamar,

Do you want to explicitly add the +2 for projects that use gerrit?  I
can do that.

Carl.


From lpeer at redhat.com  Fri Sep 16 05:10:10 2011
From: lpeer at redhat.com (Livnat Peer)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:10:10 +0300
Subject: oVirt site
In-Reply-To: <4E722361.2000708@redhat.com>
References: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com> <4E722361.2000708@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E72DA32.5010202@redhat.com>


<snip>

>> Voting -
>>
>> 1. If the R-T-C policy is in effect the document says that +1 means
>> ?I have tested this patch myself, and found it good.?.
>>
>> I find this requirement to be too strict. I think that testing a patch
>> is the responsibility of the patch submitter and reviewing a patch
>> should not require actual testing.
> 
> changed it to reviewed/tested
> 
thanks

> 
>> I suggest the following instead -
>>
>> For me reviewing a patch (+1 for a patch) means:
>>  - The patch make sense
>>  - The patch follows the project standards (e.g. code format)
>>  - The patch takes into account the different aspects/components of the
>> project
>>   - The patch does not changes any core behavior or introduces new
>> concepts that were not discussed in the mailing list beforehand.
> 
> I've incorporated this, take a look and shout if you don't like how I
> did it...

looks good

> 
> 
>> If the reviewer wants to test the patch or thinks additional testing is
>> needed then he better do so but i would not go and set that as a
>> requirement.
>>
>>
>> 2. The document says that a three +1 votes are required for a pass.
>> In the context of patch approval that requirement might be an overkill.
>>
>> I am looking at the engine project as an example there are a lot of
>> patches a day, large part of them are not too complicated and one ack
>> can be enough for validation.
>> Requiring 3 acks can slow the development and i am not sure it is
>> justified/needed.
>>
>> I suggest that by default a patch should require only one ack. If a
>> patch introduces a major change or new concepts the patch submitter
>> should mark the patch as such and ask for 3 acks. In addition if a patch
>> reviewer thinks a patch has some level of complexity he can also ask the
>> patch to have 3 acks before approval.
>>
>> This approach can also contribute for Developing and Maturing projects
>> which do not have the needed resources to deal with 3 acks for each patch.
> 
> 
> I thought I covered this, you want 3 for anything big, but a simple ack
> for minor stuff is fine. I re-read and added a bit to make it clearer.
> 
> 
> 

I see it now, yep.

> All applied to the web site.
> 

Thanks, how about changing the "Adding a sub-project" to "Adding a
project"? i am fine with keeping it sub-project, just wanted to make
sure it did not simply sleep.

Livnat





From lpeer at redhat.com  Fri Sep 16 05:17:06 2011
From: lpeer at redhat.com (Livnat Peer)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:17:06 +0300
Subject: oVirt site
In-Reply-To: <4E722A90.6050208@redhat.com>
References: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com> <255201cc73c2$b7427fa0$25c77ee0$@com>
	<4E722A90.6050208@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E72DBD2.3010106@redhat.com>

On 09/15/2011 07:40 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/15/2011 12:17 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> - need to decide if patch must be verified before submitting, or
>> verification could be done as part of patch review (for example, gerrit
>> supports verification as part of flow. Some projects may prefer this
>> approach).
>> - (using gerrit terminology) anyone can +1 a patch. only maintainer can +2
>> the patch. a +1 would help a maintainer do the +2.
>> - going back to my earlier point on committer != maintainer: in a large
>> project, we'd still like committer to have right to commit to entire git
>> to make things simple, but may have maintainers (or call them sub
>> maintainers) per module in the project. A committer would expect (trust
>> would suffice I hope) the relevant maintainer[1] to give the +2 before
>> committing the patch[2]
> 
> Itamar,
> 
> Do you want to explicitly add the +2 for projects that use gerrit?  I
> can do that.

I don't think we should use gerrit terms, gerrit is only the tool we use
to apply the guidelines we are phrasing now.

I think we do need to add the trust model Itamar mentioned in his mail.

Livnat

> 
> Carl.



From rf at suse.com  Fri Sep 16 12:26:56 2011
From: rf at suse.com (Ralf Flaxa)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:26:56 +0200
Subject: SUSE participation - interim update and feedback
In-Reply-To: <4E711592.50800@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
	<OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>
	<4E711592.50800@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20110916142656.9izje0mfk80w40sg@imap.suse.de>

Hi,

While you haven't heard from me since the call I have been busy here
internally to align the SUSE penguins behind this ;-)

So far I see no major roadblocks and will have a formal response
with participation names for you very soon.

The website is getting in great shape at a high level.
My folks obviously went to get more technical info.

Is there anything I can share already?

The only (nitpicking but) politically important change request
I would have is to not name the architecture picture "rhev.png"
but rather "ovirt.png" or something like that ;-)

I hope you understand that this is not the message we should
convey for an "open" project and we would like to see as SUSE ;-)

Great work everyone! I really like what I see so far.

      Ralf


Am Mi 14 Sep 2011 22:58:58 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>
> On 09/14/2011 04:44 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks, update from IBM: the Almaden research facility is NOT
>> available those dates. The Silicon Valley Briefing center IS
>> available, but not the briefing center itself - instead the standard
>> office and conference rooms are available. BUT no wireless access for
>> non-IBMers. So I would recommend the IBM SVN briefing center as the
>> last option for Silicon Valley.
>
> Thanks Mike,
>
> We will wait to hear from Intel / Cisco / NetApp
>
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>




From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 16 13:41:28 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:41:28 -0400
Subject: SUSE participation - interim update and feedback
In-Reply-To: <20110916142656.9izje0mfk80w40sg@imap.suse.de>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
	<OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>
	<4E711592.50800@redhat.com>
	<20110916142656.9izje0mfk80w40sg@imap.suse.de>
Message-ID: <4E735208.2040106@redhat.com>



Ralf,

The goal is to get a location confirmed today. If we get that we will go
public Monday.

I will send an explicit mail when we are ready

Carl.



On 09/16/2011 08:26 AM, Ralf Flaxa wrote:
> Hi,
>
> While you haven't heard from me since the call I have been busy here
> internally to align the SUSE penguins behind this ;-)
>
> So far I see no major roadblocks and will have a formal response
> with participation names for you very soon.
>
> The website is getting in great shape at a high level.
> My folks obviously went to get more technical info.
>
> Is there anything I can share already?
>
> The only (nitpicking but) politically important change request
> I would have is to not name the architecture picture "rhev.png"
> but rather "ovirt.png" or something like that ;-)
>
> I hope you understand that this is not the message we should
> convey for an "open" project and we would like to see as SUSE ;-)
>
> Great work everyone! I really like what I see so far.
>
>      Ralf
>
>
> Am Mi 14 Sep 2011 22:58:58 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff
> <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>>
>> On 09/14/2011 04:44 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks, update from IBM: the Almaden research facility is NOT
>>> available those dates. The Silicon Valley Briefing center IS
>>> available, but not the briefing center itself - instead the standard
>>> office and conference rooms are available. BUT no wireless access for
>>> non-IBMers. So I would recommend the IBM SVN briefing center as the
>>> last option for Silicon Valley.
>>
>> Thanks Mike,
>>
>> We will wait to hear from Intel / Cisco / NetApp
>>
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 16 13:42:57 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:42:57 -0400
Subject: oVirt site
In-Reply-To: <4E72DA32.5010202@redhat.com>
References: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com> <4E722361.2000708@redhat.com>
	<4E72DA32.5010202@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E735261.6020704@redhat.com>

On 09/16/2011 01:10 AM, Livnat Peer wrote:
> Thanks, how about changing the "Adding a sub-project" to "Adding a
> project"? i am fine with keeping it sub-project, just wanted to make
> sure it did not simply sleep.

Thanks, I have been trying to find all instances on sub-project and kill
them. I search again and see which ones I find

Carl.


From rf at suse.com  Fri Sep 16 13:56:24 2011
From: rf at suse.com (Ralf Flaxa)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:56:24 +0200
Subject: SUSE participation - interim update and feedback
In-Reply-To: <4E735208.2040106@redhat.com>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
	<OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>
	<4E711592.50800@redhat.com>
	<20110916142656.9izje0mfk80w40sg@imap.suse.de>
	<4E735208.2040106@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20110916155624.u6xrttiuo0wo4c8w@imap.suse.de>

Hi Carl,

Am Fr 16 Sep 2011 15:41:28 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>
> Ralf,
>
> The goal is to get a location confirmed today. If we get that we will go
> public Monday.

I am trying to get all stakeholders approve, but it looks like the last
one I will only get during Monday, so can we move that to Tuesday to be
on the safe side?

> I will send an explicit mail when we are ready

Ok. And the filename change you will do?

     Ralf

>
> Carl.
>
>
>
> On 09/16/2011 08:26 AM, Ralf Flaxa wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> While you haven't heard from me since the call I have been busy here
>> internally to align the SUSE penguins behind this ;-)
>>
>> So far I see no major roadblocks and will have a formal response
>> with participation names for you very soon.
>>
>> The website is getting in great shape at a high level.
>> My folks obviously went to get more technical info.
>>
>> Is there anything I can share already?
>>
>> The only (nitpicking but) politically important change request
>> I would have is to not name the architecture picture "rhev.png"
>> but rather "ovirt.png" or something like that ;-)
>>
>> I hope you understand that this is not the message we should
>> convey for an "open" project and we would like to see as SUSE ;-)
>>
>> Great work everyone! I really like what I see so far.
>>
>>      Ralf
>>
>>
>> Am Mi 14 Sep 2011 22:58:58 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff
>> <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>>>
>>> On 09/14/2011 04:44 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks, update from IBM: the Almaden research facility is NOT
>>>> available those dates. The Silicon Valley Briefing center IS
>>>> available, but not the briefing center itself - instead the standard
>>>> office and conference rooms are available. BUT no wireless access for
>>>> non-IBMers. So I would recommend the IBM SVN briefing center as the
>>>> last option for Silicon Valley.
>>>
>>> Thanks Mike,
>>>
>>> We will wait to hear from Intel / Cisco / NetApp
>>>
>>> Carl.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>




From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 16 14:02:24 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:02:24 -0400
Subject: SUSE participation - interim update and feedback
In-Reply-To: <20110916155624.u6xrttiuo0wo4c8w@imap.suse.de>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
	<OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>
	<4E711592.50800@redhat.com>
	<20110916142656.9izje0mfk80w40sg@imap.suse.de>
	<4E735208.2040106@redhat.com>
	<20110916155624.u6xrttiuo0wo4c8w@imap.suse.de>
Message-ID: <4E7356F0.8030609@redhat.com>

On 09/16/2011 09:56 AM, Ralf Flaxa wrote:
> Hi Carl,
>
> Am Fr 16 Sep 2011 15:41:28 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff
> <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>>
>> Ralf,
>>
>> The goal is to get a location confirmed today. If we get that we will go
>> public Monday.
>
> I am trying to get all stakeholders approve, but it looks like the last
> one I will only get during Monday, so can we move that to Tuesday to be
> on the safe side? 


Just keep me updated, I expect I will only be ready late Monday anyway.

thx
Carl.


From kwade at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 00:12:29 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:12:29 -0700
Subject: project matrix
Message-ID: <20110919001229.GS32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>

I'm looking at http://lists.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/ and
thinking about a few things.

* Each of the project names currently is not a link. We could have a
  single, mostly static landing page for each subproject
  e.g. ovirt.org/projectname (which can be nested in the menus, too.)
  It's easy to give a wide range of people 'writer' access in the
  website framework so people can edit their own subproject page
  at-will.

  If that makes sense, I'll go ahead and create the pages then link
  them in to the matrix. Carl - we can also link them in to the
  drop-down navigation to make it easier to get to a subproject from
  anywhere on the site.

* We could drop the link to archives 'arc' entirely and rely upon the
  link that is on the mailing list page. I don't recall seeing many
  instances of a matrix e.g. jboss.org or eclipse.org having deep
  links to each list's archives.

* We could also drop the link that is a mailto: call since nearly all
  these lists will require subscription to post.

* Then just have one link 'devel' etc., or even have
  listname at ovirt.org just be a link to the Mailman page.

* Partially because of the way the matrix looks, it does make the
  'devel' name very busy, and I understand that as one of the reasons
  Carl prefers arch at ovirt.org as the "main project core technical and
  schedule discussions list." The name for this list I had orginally
  down as devel at ovirt.org. Is that going to be too difficult if every
  subproject is also subproject-devel at ovirt.org?

  Anyway, we can just link to this overall list above the matrix.

* For maintainer names, it will be nice to link to a wiki user page
  for each person. I'll be sure to detail how to do that on the wiki,
  offer up some templates, etc.

- Karsten
-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 14:08:57 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:08:57 -0400
Subject: Site has new banner
Message-ID: <4E774CF9.9030808@redhat.com>


Thanks to Mairin, we have a new banner for the site...

Carl.


From kmestery at cisco.com  Mon Sep 19 14:16:15 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:16:15 -0500
Subject: Site has new banner
In-Reply-To: <4E774CF9.9030808@redhat.com>
References: <4E774CF9.9030808@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20BE0E56-1346-4032-B624-AB8AFA47E115@cisco.com>

Looks great, nice work!

Kyle

On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> 
> Thanks to Mairin, we have a new banner for the site...
> 
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
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> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 14:19:41 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:19:41 -0400
Subject: project matrix
In-Reply-To: <20110919001229.GS32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
References: <20110919001229.GS32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
Message-ID: <4E774F7D.5@redhat.com>

On 09/18/2011 08:12 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> I'm looking at http://lists.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/ and
> thinking about a few things.
>
> * Each of the project names currently is not a link. We could have a
>   single, mostly static landing page for each subproject
>   e.g. ovirt.org/projectname (which can be nested in the menus, too.)
>   It's easy to give a wide range of people 'writer' access in the
>   website framework so people can edit their own subproject page
>   at-will.
>
>   If that makes sense, I'll go ahead and create the pages then link
>   them in to the matrix. Carl - we can also link them in to the
>   drop-down navigation to make it easier to get to a subproject from
>   anywhere on the site.


The goal is to create a page under the link with more information on
each project. I did not go ahead and create the links until we had solid
content for each link. I would prefer to let the links show up over time
as we work the content and not make this critical path for making the
site public.


>
> * We could drop the link to archives 'arc' entirely and rely upon the
>   link that is on the mailing list page. I don't recall seeing many
>   instances of a matrix e.g. jboss.org or eclipse.org having deep
>   links to each list's archives.

I would prefer to keep it in the table

>
> * We could also drop the link that is a mailto: call since nearly all
>   these lists will require subscription to post.

good point, I will go ahead and drop them.

>
> * Then just have one link 'devel' etc., or even have
>   listname at ovirt.org just be a link to the Mailman page.
>
> * Partially because of the way the matrix looks, it does make the
>   'devel' name very busy, and I understand that as one of the reasons
>   Carl prefers arch at ovirt.org as the "main project core technical and
>   schedule discussions list." The name for this list I had orginally
>   down as devel at ovirt.org. Is that going to be too difficult if every
>   subproject is also subproject-devel at ovirt.org?


I also prefer ach and we want to cross project list to more than just
dev, we want ach, integration and coordination on the cross project
list. This list also does not need to be in the table as it is for all
projects.

Ideally, we should subscribe everyone that joins a devel list to the ach
list automatically


>
>   Anyway, we can just link to this overall list above the matrix.
>
> * For maintainer names, it will be nice to link to a wiki user page
>   for each person. I'll be sure to detail how to do that on the wiki,
>   offer up some templates, etc.

Once we have individual project pages we can create that for each
project. however I wanted to just keep it simple to get it going.

I did not want to create extra work for the project guys for going
public having pages that are sparse. let's go live with a clean up of
what we have and then we can work getting the project pages under each
one filled out towards teh workshop unless Andy or Itamar has time to
create more content today.

Carl.




From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 15:38:35 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:38:35 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
Message-ID: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com>



I have updated the website, the PDF invitation and the e-mail
invitation. Please take a quick look and see if my last pass through fix
ups are good.

I have shortened the tease on the e-mail invite a little and posted it
in addition to the PDF on the resources page:
http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/

The site has been updated with logistics. If we are all good, I'll sync
with Ralf and we can start turning it public later today.

Mail out any issues, thx.

kind regards
Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 16:02:36 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:02:36 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com>
References: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77679C.2080203@redhat.com>



website access. lists.ovirt.org

username: ovirtstaging
password: 1zGn48XEZPHFe

This will be dropped and moved to www. from list. when we go live.

Carl.


On 09/19/2011 11:38 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
> I have updated the website, the PDF invitation and the e-mail
> invitation. Please take a quick look and see if my last pass through fix
> ups are good.
>
> I have shortened the tease on the e-mail invite a little and posted it
> in addition to the PDF on the resources page:
> http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/
>
> The site has been updated with logistics. If we are all good, I'll sync
> with Ralf and we can start turning it public later today.
>
> Mail out any issues, thx.
>
> kind regards
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From kmestery at cisco.com  Mon Sep 19 16:07:09 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:07:09 -0500
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E77679C.2080203@redhat.com>
References: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com> <4E77679C.2080203@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <C670E049-5246-41D3-90B4-E61D37C4AA55@cisco.com>

Carl:

In the PDF file, please correct "San Hose" to be "San Jose".

Thanks,
Kyle

On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> 
> 
> website access. lists.ovirt.org
> 
> username: ovirtstaging
> password: 1zGn48XEZPHFe
> 
> This will be dropped and moved to www. from list. when we go live.
> 
> Carl.
> 
> 
> On 09/19/2011 11:38 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> 
>> I have updated the website, the PDF invitation and the e-mail
>> invitation. Please take a quick look and see if my last pass through fix
>> ups are good.
>> 
>> I have shortened the tease on the e-mail invite a little and posted it
>> in addition to the PDF on the resources page:
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/
>> 
>> The site has been updated with logistics. If we are all good, I'll sync
>> with Ralf and we can start turning it public later today.
>> 
>> Mail out any issues, thx.
>> 
>> kind regards
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From agraf at suse.de  Mon Sep 19 16:21:15 2011
From: agraf at suse.de (Alexander Graf)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:21:15 +0200
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <C670E049-5246-41D3-90B4-E61D37C4AA55@cisco.com>
References: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com> <4E77679C.2080203@redhat.com>
	<C670E049-5246-41D3-90B4-E61D37C4AA55@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <53F365F7-8BBA-49FD-8586-E36E5941BD66@suse.de>


On 19.09.2011, at 18:07, kmestery wrote:

> Carl:
> 
> In the PDF file, please correct "San Hose" to be "San Jose".

While at it, please also correct our spelling to "SUSE" :).


Alex



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 16:53:33 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:53:33 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <C670E049-5246-41D3-90B4-E61D37C4AA55@cisco.com>
References: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com> <4E77679C.2080203@redhat.com>
	<C670E049-5246-41D3-90B4-E61D37C4AA55@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <4E77738D.5020703@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 12:07 PM, kmestery wrote:
> Carl:
>
> In the PDF file, please correct "San Hose" to be "San Jose".
>
>

lol, yes, that needs correcting

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 16:53:49 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:53:49 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <53F365F7-8BBA-49FD-8586-E36E5941BD66@suse.de>
References: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com> <4E77679C.2080203@redhat.com>
	<C670E049-5246-41D3-90B4-E61D37C4AA55@cisco.com>
	<53F365F7-8BBA-49FD-8586-E36E5941BD66@suse.de>
Message-ID: <4E77739D.7010108@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 12:21 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
> On 19.09.2011, at 18:07, kmestery wrote:
>
>> Carl:
>>
>> In the PDF file, please correct "San Hose" to be "San Jose".
> While at it, please also correct our spelling to "SUSE" :).
>
>
> Alex
>

Will do

Carl.


From mdday at us.ibm.com  Mon Sep 19 17:10:38 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:10:38 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com>
References: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <OFDEB9E664.77E18DD1-ON85257910.005E106D-85257910.005E5BAF@us.ibm.com>


Just confirming the dates are back to Nov 1-3rd?

Looks great modulo the "san hose" correction :)

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org




From:	Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>
To:	"project-planning at ovirt.org" <project-planning at ovirt.org>
Date:	09/19/2011 12:36 PM
Subject:	Almost ready to go public
Sent by:	project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org





I have updated the website, the PDF invitation and the e-mail
invitation. Please take a quick look and see if my last pass through fix
ups are good.

I have shortened the tease on the e-mail invite a little and posted it
in addition to the PDF on the resources page:
http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/

The site has been updated with logistics. If we are all good, I'll sync
with Ralf and we can start turning it public later today.

Mail out any issues, thx.

kind regards
Carl.
_______________________________________________
Project-planning mailing list
Project-planning at ovirt.org
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 17:12:26 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:12:26 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
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On 09/19/2011 01:10 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
>
> Just confirming the dates are back to Nov 1-3rd?
>

Yes

>
> Looks great modulo the "san hose" correction :)
>

corrected.

thx
Carl.


From kwade at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 17:16:25 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:16:25 -0700
Subject: project matrix
In-Reply-To: <4E774F7D.5@redhat.com>
References: <20110919001229.GS32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
	<4E774F7D.5@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20110919171625.GT32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:19:41AM -0400, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> 
> I did not want to create extra work for the project guys for going
> public having pages that are sparse. let's go live with a clean up of
> what we have and then we can work getting the project pages under each
> one filled out towards teh workshop unless Andy or Itamar has time to
> create more content today.

OK, the only one I want to create soonest is for oVirt Node, to
migrate information from the current ovirt.org. The others can wait
for when they are needed. I'll double-check the info with the Node
team for accuracy, relevance, etc.

- Karsten
-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 17:21:33 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:21:33 -0400
Subject: project matrix
In-Reply-To: <20110919171625.GT32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
References: <20110919001229.GS32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
	<4E774F7D.5@redhat.com>
	<20110919171625.GT32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
Message-ID: <4E777A1D.6010309@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 01:16 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:19:41AM -0400, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> I did not want to create extra work for the project guys for going
>> public having pages that are sparse. let's go live with a clean up of
>> what we have and then we can work getting the project pages under each
>> one filled out towards teh workshop unless Andy or Itamar has time to
>> create more content today.
> OK, the only one I want to create soonest is for oVirt Node, to
> migrate information from the current ovirt.org. The others can wait
> for when they are needed. I'll double-check the info with the Node
> team for accuracy, relevance, etc.

yes, the plan is to put that in soon after we switch. flip the site and
then I will link it to the fedorahosted page or they can add some pages
with the node content. the goal is to flip it and then jump onto the IRC
and get that sorted with the node community

Carl.


From iheim at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 18:43:29 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:43:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com>
References: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <077201cc76fb$c3513610$49f3a230$@com>

http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/workshop-invitation/

s/Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?/Are
you.../
s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)
s/CA,USA/CA, USA/

" The project will kickoff with a workshop meeting during (November
1-3rd)"
Why parenthesis around the dates?


http://lists.ovirt.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Ovirt-WorkShop-Invitatio
n.pdf
page 1
s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)

Page 2
s/Vitalization/Virtualization/

Page 3
s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)

Page 11
s/Nogah/oVirt/ (2 occurrences)

page 24
s/Nogah/oVirt/
s/have its/have their/

page 25
s/are no limit/is no limit/




> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 18:39 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Almost ready to go public
> 
> 
> 
> I have updated the website, the PDF invitation and the e-mail
> invitation. Please take a quick look and see if my last pass through fix
> ups are good.
> 
> I have shortened the tease on the e-mail invite a little and posted it
> in addition to the PDF on the resources page:
> http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/
> 
> The site has been updated with logistics. If we are all good, I'll sync
> with Ralf and we can start turning it public later today.
> 
> Mail out any issues, thx.
> 
> kind regards
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 18:55:06 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:55:06 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <077201cc76fb$c3513610$49f3a230$@com>
References: <4E7761FB.3010906@redhat.com> <077201cc76fb$c3513610$49f3a230$@com>
Message-ID: <4E77900A.1010903@redhat.com>



All corrected. New PDF uploading

Carl.


On 09/19/2011 02:43 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/workshop-invitation/
>
> s/Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?/Are
> you.../
> s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)
> s/CA,USA/CA, USA/
>
> " The project will kickoff with a workshop meeting during (November
> 1-3rd)"
> Why parenthesis around the dates?
>
>
> http://lists.ovirt.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Ovirt-WorkShop-Invitatio
> n.pdf
> page 1
> s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)
>
> Page 2
> s/Vitalization/Virtualization/
>
> Page 3
> s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)
>
> Page 11
> s/Nogah/oVirt/ (2 occurrences)
>
> page 24
> s/Nogah/oVirt/
> s/have its/have their/
>
> page 25
> s/are no limit/is no limit/
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
>> Trieloff
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 18:39 PM
>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
>> Subject: Almost ready to go public
>>
>>
>>
>> I have updated the website, the PDF invitation and the e-mail
>> invitation. Please take a quick look and see if my last pass through fix
>> ups are good.
>>
>> I have shortened the tease on the e-mail invite a little and posted it
>> in addition to the PDF on the resources page:
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/
>>
>> The site has been updated with logistics. If we are all good, I'll sync
>> with Ralf and we can start turning it public later today.
>>
>> Mail out any issues, thx.
>>
>> kind regards
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 20:01:39 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:01:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E77900A.1010903@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <6a022750-4f60-4820-8fe4-c175a9e2378c@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less attendees.

Spelling/grammar issues:

"Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to join in
 launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt? project."

s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt" project./ ?

"1stth - 3rd"
get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing

s/(source)/(source code)/

s/site, forums/site and forums/

s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/

s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its virtualization/




----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
> All corrected. New PDF uploading
> 
> Carl.
> 
> 
> On 09/19/2011 02:43 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/workshop-invitation/
> >
> > s/Are interested in an Open virtualization management platform?/Are
> > you.../
> > s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)
> > s/CA,USA/CA, USA/
> >
> > " The project will kickoff with a workshop meeting during (November
> > 1-3rd)"
> > Why parenthesis around the dates?
> >
> >
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Ovirt-WorkShop-Invitatio
> > n.pdf
> > page 1
> > s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)
> >
> > Page 2
> > s/Vitalization/Virtualization/
> >
> > Page 3
> > s/San Hose/San Jose/ (mentioned already)
> >
> > Page 11
> > s/Nogah/oVirt/ (2 occurrences)
> >
> > page 24
> > s/Nogah/oVirt/
> > s/have its/have their/
> >
> > page 25
> > s/are no limit/is no limit/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> > [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> >> Trieloff
> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 18:39 PM
> >> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> >> Subject: Almost ready to go public
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have updated the website, the PDF invitation and the e-mail
> >> invitation. Please take a quick look and see if my last pass
> >> through fix
> >> ups are good.
> >>
> >> I have shortened the tease on the e-mail invite a little and
> >> posted it
> >> in addition to the PDF on the resources page:
> >> http://lists.ovirt.org/project/resources/
> >>
> >> The site has been updated with logistics. If we are all good, I'll
> >> sync
> >> with Ralf and we can start turning it public later today.
> >>
> >> Mail out any issues, thx.
> >>
> >> kind regards
> >> Carl.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Project-planning mailing list
> >> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 20:32:31 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:32:31 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <6a022750-4f60-4820-8fe4-c175a9e2378c@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <6a022750-4f60-4820-8fe4-c175a9e2378c@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77A6DF.4020003@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less attendees.

draft agenda on the site. will be working final agenda next, once we are
live

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 20:49:47 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:49:47 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <6a022750-4f60-4820-8fe4-c175a9e2378c@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <6a022750-4f60-4820-8fe4-c175a9e2378c@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77AAEB.1050709@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less attendees.
>
> Spelling/grammar issues:
>
> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to join in
>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt? project."
>
> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt" project./ ?
>
> "1stth - 3rd"
> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
>
> s/(source)/(source code)/
>
> s/site, forums/site and forums/
>
> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
>
> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its virtualization/

I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate it

Carl.


From dfediuck at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:01:24 2011
From: dfediuck at redhat.com (Doron Fediuck)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:01:24 +0300
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
Message-ID: <201109200001.24305.dfediuck@redhat.com>

(re-sending since I didn't get a reply for it)

On Monday 12 September 2011 21:29:12 Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/11/2011 05:16 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 September 2011 12:11:27 Itamar Heim wrote:
> >> Cc'ing some existing leads for comments

<SNIP>

> > 0. Title is missing. I'm guessing it's the same as document name?
> >
> > 1. There's a combined usage of 'project' and 'sub-project'. I suggest using 'project' to simplify it.
> > If you take Apache for example, they host projects, and even real sub-projects (http://db.apache.org/derby/derby_proposal.html)
> > they end up being listed as projects (http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html#D).
> 
> done
> 
> > 2. The following needs some re-phrasing:
> >
> > IT is expected however that if you have contributed doc, and are not an expect on code that you
> > don?t ack patches for example. You can also be voted into one sub-project and not another based
> > on your area of influence, or you could get into them all.
> >
> > * IT => It
> > * doc => a document?
> > * and are not an expect =>  and are not an expert?
> > - Generally this paragraph begins with one thing, and ends with something completely different.
> > I'd think of adding each sentence to a relevant paragraph carrying the same theme / subject.
> 
> re-worked, see what you think. (go ahead and edit it directly if needed.)
> 
> >
> > 3. There are terms that need clarification, or typos. For example: wsdm. Is it VDSM? Something else?
> 
> fixed
> 
> >
> > 4. And probably the most important. This document is _also_ about being a maintainer. But it's
> > _also_ about being a (sub-)project contributer (and maybe some more also's);
> >
> > - Contributing to a sub-project 
> > - Adding to the discussions and contributing code
> > and there's more contents about giving to the community. This is all relevant
> > to project / community membership.
> >
> > => This document should be spitted into community membership document and
> > (sub-)project maintenance. Currently it's a mix of both.
> >
> 
> 
> Don't we want it mixed? why would we draw a line between the two roles?
> having people thinking of community and code together is healthy.
> 
> Carl.
> 

OK, looks much better now.
Some final (I hope) remarks;

1. We now have 2 "Becoming a maintainer" headers. I'd change the 2nd one to
something like "Applying for a project maintainer role" or anything alike.

2. WRT contribution and maintenance mixture, it takes the focus off the
document's topic, for no visible reason. I'll try to explain with 2 examples;

a. The car
You just bought a new car, and you look into the owner manual, looking
for a quick & simple way to adjust your radio pre-set stations.
You get the information in one chapter which includes the complete wiring
scheme, board design and explanation on connector types to use when connecting
to amplifiers or phone car-kit. Will you think it's very helpful and easy to
understand how you should set your radio buttons?

Now think of the mechanic guy in the garage, getting the same manual,
which he's supposed to use in order to verify what is short-circuiting
the car embedded media controller. What will he think when he needs to
read the connector description along with setting radio buttons?

Is mixing all the information a good idea? Does it help both guys? Any
of them?

b. Git Book
http://book.git-scm.com/
As you can see there are separate chapters for each type of user;
Basic, Intermediate and Advanced.

I'm sure someone who looks for a way to recover corrupted objects,
won't find git clone syntax very helpful while he looks for the relevant
information.

3. Now back to us...
I think the following should be used in a different document;
- Contributing to a project 
- Adding to the discussions and contributing code
- Large projects

These (and maybe some more) should be located in a document
focused on general community contribution and oVirt project
specific contribution rules / policy / code / coding-conventions,
etc. Apache,for instance, asks every contributer to sign something
making the code contribution owned by / used by the relevant
project, so there are no license / rights issues. This could
be a good place for explaining such a signature, should we
require one.

Current document should be lean and mean; Containing the relevant
information on becoming a maintainer, responsibilities, ethics,
policies, etc. The document should start by referring to the
project contribution document. In this way you give more
background if needed.

-- 

/d

"All computers wait at the same speed."
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:04:31 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:04:31 -0400
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <201109200001.24305.dfediuck@redhat.com>
References: <201109200001.24305.dfediuck@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77AE5F.30800@redhat.com>



Thanks, I'll take a look in a bit once I've solved the current set of go
live issues I'm working on

Carl.


On 09/19/2011 05:01 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
>
> (re-sending since I didn't get a reply for it)
>
>
> On Monday 12 September 2011 21:29:12 Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
> > On 09/11/2011 05:16 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
>
> > > On Sunday 11 September 2011 12:11:27 Itamar Heim wrote:
>
> > >> Cc'ing some existing leads for comments
>
>
> <SNIP>
>
>
> > > 0. Title is missing. I'm guessing it's the same as document name?
>
> > >
>
> > > 1. There's a combined usage of 'project' and 'sub-project'. I
> suggest using 'project' to simplify it.
>
> > > If you take Apache for example, they host projects, and even real
> sub-projects (http://db.apache.org/derby/derby_proposal.html)
>
> > > they end up being listed as projects
> (http://projects.apache.org/indexes/alpha.html#D).
>
> >
>
> > done
>
> >
>
> > > 2. The following needs some re-phrasing:
>
> > >
>
> > > IT is expected however that if you have contributed doc, and are
> not an expect on code that you
>
> > > don?t ack patches for example. You can also be voted into one
> sub-project and not another based
>
> > > on your area of influence, or you could get into them all.
>
> > >
>
> > > * IT => It
>
> > > * doc => a document?
>
> > > * and are not an expect => and are not an expert?
>
> > > - Generally this paragraph begins with one thing, and ends with
> something completely different.
>
> > > I'd think of adding each sentence to a relevant paragraph carrying
> the same theme / subject.
>
> >
>
> > re-worked, see what you think. (go ahead and edit it directly if
> needed.)
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > 3. There are terms that need clarification, or typos. For example:
> wsdm. Is it VDSM? Something else?
>
> >
>
> > fixed
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > 4. And probably the most important. This document is _also_ about
> being a maintainer. But it's
>
> > > _also_ about being a (sub-)project contributer (and maybe some
> more also's);
>
> > >
>
> > > - Contributing to a sub-project
>
> > > - Adding to the discussions and contributing code
>
> > > and there's more contents about giving to the community. This is
> all relevant
>
> > > to project / community membership.
>
> > >
>
> > > => This document should be spitted into community membership
> document and
>
> > > (sub-)project maintenance. Currently it's a mix of both.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Don't we want it mixed? why would we draw a line between the two roles?
>
> > having people thinking of community and code together is healthy.
>
> >
>
> > Carl.
>
> >
>
>
> OK, looks much better now.
>
> Some final (I hope) remarks;
>
>
> 1. We now have 2 "Becoming a maintainer" headers. I'd change the 2nd
> one to
>
> something like "Applying for a project maintainer role" or anything alike.
>
>
> 2. WRT contribution and maintenance mixture, it takes the focus off the
>
> document's topic, for no visible reason. I'll try to explain with 2
> examples;
>
>
> a. The car
>
> You just bought a new car, and you look into the owner manual, looking
>
> for a quick & simple way to adjust your radio pre-set stations.
>
> You get the information in one chapter which includes the complete wiring
>
> scheme, board design and explanation on connector types to use when
> connecting
>
> to amplifiers or phone car-kit. Will you think it's very helpful and
> easy to
>
> understand how you should set your radio buttons?
>
>
> Now think of the mechanic guy in the garage, getting the same manual,
>
> which he's supposed to use in order to verify what is short-circuiting
>
> the car embedded media controller. What will he think when he needs to
>
> read the connector description along with setting radio buttons?
>
>
> Is mixing all the information a good idea? Does it help both guys? Any
>
> of them?
>
>
> b. Git Book
>
> http://book.git-scm.com/
>
> As you can see there are separate chapters for each type of user;
>
> Basic, Intermediate and Advanced.
>
>
> I'm sure someone who looks for a way to recover corrupted objects,
>
> won't find git clone syntax very helpful while he looks for the relevant
>
> information.
>
>
> 3. Now back to us...
>
> I think the following should be used in a different document;
>
> - Contributing to a project
>
> - Adding to the discussions and contributing code
>
> - Large projects
>
>
> These (and maybe some more) should be located in a document
>
> focused on general community contribution and oVirt project
>
> specific contribution rules / policy / code / coding-conventions,
>
> etc. Apache,for instance, asks every contributer to sign something
>
> making the code contribution owned by / used by the relevant
>
> project, so there are no license / rights issues. This could
>
> be a good place for explaining such a signature, should we
>
> require one.
>
>
> Current document should be lean and mean; Containing the relevant
>
> information on becoming a maintainer, responsibilities, ethics,
>
> policies, etc. The document should start by referring to the
>
> project contribution document. In this way you give more
>
> background if needed.
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> /d
>
>
> "All computers wait at the same speed."
>
>

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From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:08:58 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E77AAEB.1050709@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <962367b6-d419-4fd1-9d40-5f607c313179@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>


----- Original Message -----
> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> > Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no
> > agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target
> > audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less attendees.
> >
> > Spelling/grammar issues:
> >
> > "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to join in
> >  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt? project."
> >
> > s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt" project./ ?
> >
> > "1stth - 3rd"
> > get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
> >
> > s/(source)/(source code)/
> >
> > s/site, forums/site and forums/
> >
> > s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
> >
> > s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
> > virtualization/
> 
> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate it
> 
> Carl.
> 

Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:19:28 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:19:28 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <962367b6-d419-4fd1-9d40-5f607c313179@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <962367b6-d419-4fd1-9d40-5f607c313179@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77B1E0.8020900@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 05:08 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no
>>> agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target
>>> audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less attendees.
>>>
>>> Spelling/grammar issues:
>>>
>>> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to join in
>>>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt? project."
>>>
>>> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt" project./ ?
>>>
>>> "1stth - 3rd"
>>> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
>>>
>>> s/(source)/(source code)/
>>>
>>> s/site, forums/site and forums/
>>>
>>> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
>>>
>>> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
>>> virtualization/
>> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate it
>>
>> Carl.
>>
> Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.

I'll try again, I had that issue with the one png also.

Carl.


From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:26:23 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E77B1E0.8020900@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <5f6ba48d-4723-4bf6-bc15-31e5c1a9f135@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>



----- Original Message -----
> On 09/19/2011 05:08 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> >>> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no
> >>> agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target
> >>> audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less attendees.
> >>>
> >>> Spelling/grammar issues:
> >>>
> >>> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to join
> >>> in
> >>>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt?
> >>>  project."
> >>>
> >>> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt" project./
> >>> ?
> >>>
> >>> "1stth - 3rd"
> >>> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
> >>>
> >>> s/(source)/(source code)/
> >>>
> >>> s/site, forums/site and forums/
> >>>
> >>> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
> >>>
> >>> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
> >>> virtualization/
> >> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate it
> >>
> >> Carl.
> >>
> > Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.
> 
> I'll try again, I had that issue with the one png also.
> 
> Carl.
> 

Still older version ("November 1th" etc).


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:32:05 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:32:05 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <5f6ba48d-4723-4bf6-bc15-31e5c1a9f135@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <5f6ba48d-4723-4bf6-bc15-31e5c1a9f135@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77B4D5.5000907@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 05:26 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 09/19/2011 05:08 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no
>>>>> agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target
>>>>> audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less attendees.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spelling/grammar issues:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to join
>>>>> in
>>>>>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt?
>>>>>  project."
>>>>>
>>>>> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt" project./
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> "1stth - 3rd"
>>>>> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
>>>>>
>>>>> s/(source)/(source code)/
>>>>>
>>>>> s/site, forums/site and forums/
>>>>>
>>>>> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
>>>>>
>>>>> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
>>>>> virtualization/
>>>> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate it
>>>>
>>>> Carl.
>>>>
>>> Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.
>> I'll try again, I had that issue with the one png also.
>>
>> Carl.
>>
> Still older version ("November 1th" etc).


try now.

Carl.


From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:34:58 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:34:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E77B4D5.5000907@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <0b8d7b8a-edff-47f9-9fe4-ebcae2c5ac45@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>



----- Original Message -----
> On 09/19/2011 05:26 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> On 09/19/2011 05:08 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> >>>>> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no
> >>>>> agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target
> >>>>> audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less
> >>>>> attendees.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Spelling/grammar issues:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to
> >>>>> join
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt?
> >>>>>  project."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt"
> >>>>> project./
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "1stth - 3rd"
> >>>>> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s/(source)/(source code)/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s/site, forums/site and forums/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
> >>>>> virtualization/
> >>>> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate
> >>>> it
> >>>>
> >>>> Carl.
> >>>>
> >>> Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.
> >> I'll try again, I had that issue with the one png also.
> >>
> >> Carl.
> >>
> > Still older version ("November 1th" etc).
> 
> 
> try now.

It's corrupt now (256b instead of ~200K)

> 
> Carl.
> 


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:43:03 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:43:03 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <0b8d7b8a-edff-47f9-9fe4-ebcae2c5ac45@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <0b8d7b8a-edff-47f9-9fe4-ebcae2c5ac45@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77B767.2090307@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 05:34 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 09/19/2011 05:26 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> On 09/19/2011 05:08 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>>>> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is no
>>>>>>> agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the target
>>>>>>> audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less
>>>>>>> attendees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spelling/grammar issues:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to
>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt?
>>>>>>>  project."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt"
>>>>>>> project./
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "1stth - 3rd"
>>>>>>> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> s/(source)/(source code)/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> s/site, forums/site and forums/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
>>>>>>> virtualization/
>>>>>> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.
>>>> I'll try again, I had that issue with the one png also.
>>>>
>>>> Carl.
>>>>
>>> Still older version ("November 1th" etc).
>>
>> try now.
> It's corrupt now (256b instead of ~200K)
>

it's good for me, try do a page refresh and then a download so you get
the updates html source link

Carl.


From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:47:29 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:47:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E77B767.2090307@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4608b552-112d-4ed3-8374-9c29467182e2@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>



----- Original Message -----
> On 09/19/2011 05:34 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> On 09/19/2011 05:26 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> On 09/19/2011 05:08 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> >>>>>>> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is
> >>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>> agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the
> >>>>>>> target
> >>>>>>> audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less
> >>>>>>> attendees.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Spelling/grammar issues:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to
> >>>>>>> join
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt?
> >>>>>>>  project."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt"
> >>>>>>> project./
> >>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "1stth - 3rd"
> >>>>>>> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> s/(source)/(source code)/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> s/site, forums/site and forums/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
> >>>>>>> virtualization/
> >>>>>> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carl.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.
> >>>> I'll try again, I had that issue with the one png also.
> >>>>
> >>>> Carl.
> >>>>
> >>> Still older version ("November 1th" etc).
> >>
> >> try now.
> > It's corrupt now (256b instead of ~200K)
> >
> 
> it's good for me, try do a page refresh and then a download so you
> get
> the updates html source link
> 
> Carl.
> 

http://www.ovirt.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Ovirt-WorkShop-Invitation.pdf
????
(still broken for me)


From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:49:34 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:49:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4608b552-112d-4ed3-8374-9c29467182e2@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1acc518c-357f-41de-a25b-7fd22b0b0daa@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>



----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > On 09/19/2011 05:34 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> On 09/19/2011 05:26 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> On 09/19/2011 05:08 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is
> > >>>>>>> no
> > >>>>>>> agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the
> > >>>>>>> target
> > >>>>>>> audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less
> > >>>>>>> attendees.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Spelling/grammar issues:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to
> > >>>>>>> join
> > >>>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt?
> > >>>>>>>  project."
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt"
> > >>>>>>> project./
> > >>>>>>> ?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "1stth - 3rd"
> > >>>>>>> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> s/(source)/(source code)/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> s/site, forums/site and forums/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
> > >>>>>>> virtualization/
> > >>>>>> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not
> > >>>>>> locate
> > >>>>>> it
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Carl.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.
> > >>>> I'll try again, I had that issue with the one png also.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Carl.
> > >>>>
> > >>> Still older version ("November 1th" etc).
> > >>
> > >> try now.
> > > It's corrupt now (256b instead of ~200K)
> > >
> >
> > it's good for me, try do a page refresh and then a download so you
> > get
> > the updates html source link
> >
> > Carl.
> >
> 
> http://www.ovirt.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Ovirt-WorkShop-Invitation.pdf
> ????
> (still broken for me)

Ok, found the problem (link changed to www.ovirt instead of lists.ovirt) now I see the updated file, will read and comment if I find anything.


From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:54:21 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:54:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <1acc518c-357f-41de-a25b-7fd22b0b0daa@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1ad18299-7f35-4cb8-9fa1-c8174599282e@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

Nitpicking, but should add the year (i.e. November 1st-3rd 2011)

"Full GIT repos (source code), site,
forums will be launched at the event."

s/site, forums/site and forums/

maybe add "if you're a ..." and list who the proper audience is?

[snip]


From abaron at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:57:00 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:57:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4E77AAEB.1050709@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <b74acc3e-90f6-4b15-8aa2-58c3933fe8a3@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

"Open sourcing it's virtualization"

s/it's/its/
This is under page 8: "Building an Open 'Development' Community"


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:56:25 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:56:25 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <4608b552-112d-4ed3-8374-9c29467182e2@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <4608b552-112d-4ed3-8374-9c29467182e2@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77BA89.4050804@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 05:47 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 09/19/2011 05:34 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> On 09/19/2011 05:26 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> On 09/19/2011 05:08 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> On 09/19/2011 04:01 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Looking good.  I have a problem with the fact that there is
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> agenda which makes it really hard to understand who the
>>>>>>>>> target
>>>>>>>>> audience is.  Without this I believe we will get less
>>>>>>>>> attendees.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Spelling/grammar issues:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Cisco, IBM, Intel, NetApp, Red Hat, and SUSE invite you to
>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>  launching a fully open virtualization management ?oVirt?
>>>>>>>>>  project."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> s/management ?oVirt? project./management - the "oVirt"
>>>>>>>>> project./
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "1stth - 3rd"
>>>>>>>>> get rid of redundant "th" and fix "st" placing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> s/(source)/(source code)/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> s/site, forums/site and forums/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> s/November 1th - 3rd/November 1st - 3rd/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> s/  Open sourcing it's virtualization/  Open sourcing its
>>>>>>>>> virtualization/
>>>>>>>> I believe I got them all except the last one, could not locate
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carl.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you uploaded the pdf? it doesn't seem to be updated.
>>>>>> I'll try again, I had that issue with the one png also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Still older version ("November 1th" etc).
>>>> try now.
>>> It's corrupt now (256b instead of ~200K)
>>>
>> it's good for me, try do a page refresh and then a download so you
>> get
>> the updates html source link
>>
>> Carl.
>>
> http://www.ovirt.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Ovirt-WorkShop-Invitation.pdf
> ????
> (still broken for me)

ah, that is DNS.

add to etc/hosts

173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org <http://www.ovirt.org>

or wait a few it should work again.

Carl.




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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 21:57:24 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:57:24 -0400
Subject: Almost ready to go public
In-Reply-To: <b74acc3e-90f6-4b15-8aa2-58c3933fe8a3@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <b74acc3e-90f6-4b15-8aa2-58c3933fe8a3@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E77BAC4.1070201@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 05:57 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> "Open sourcing it's virtualization"
>
> s/it's/its/
> This is under page 8: "Building an Open 'Development' Community"

got it

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 19 23:26:24 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:26:24 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
Message-ID: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>


www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load. hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or
tomorrow morning. If you want to view the site between now and then add

173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org <http://www.ovirt.org>

to your etc/hosts file.

I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
Carl.
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From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 02:09:30 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:09:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <07ec01cc773a$13bf1480$3b3d3d80$@com>

http://www.ovirt.org/project/resources/
"The page is used to link or post any resource for the oVirt project"
This page...

"A PDF with background for the kick-off workshop"
Background PDF for the kick-off workshop

"A invitation that can be used to promote the workshop"
s/A/An/
but probably should be:
"Please use the following invitation to promote the workshop"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: we are partially live....
> 
> 
> www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load.
> hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
view the site between now and then
> add
> 
> 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
> 
> to your etc/hosts file.
> 
> I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
> Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 02:12:32 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> 
Message-ID: <07ef01cc773a$7fedc840$7fc958c0$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Itamar Heim [mailto:iheim at redhat.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:08 AM
> To: 'cctrieloff at redhat.com'; 'project-planning at ovirt.org'
> Subject: RE: we are partially live....
> 
> http://www.ovirt.org/project/resources/
> "The page is used to link or post any resource for the oVirt project"
> This page...
> 
> "A PDF with background for the kick-off workshop"
> Background PDF for the kick-off workshop
> 
> "A invitation that can be used to promote the workshop"
> s/A/An/
> but probably should be:
> "Please use the following invitation to promote the workshop"

Also, in the link:
"Ovirt WorkShop Invitation"
s/WorkShop/workshop/

> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> > Trieloff
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
> > To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> > Subject: we are partially live....
> >
> >
> > www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load.
> > hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
view the site between now and then
> > add
> >
> > 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
> >
> > to your etc/hosts file.
> >
> > I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
> > Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 02:25:12 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:25:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <07f301cc773c$4557d930$d0078b90$@com>

http://www.ovirt.org/
"Join us for a three-day workshop in the Silicon Valley, California, 1 to
3 November 2011"
1 to 3?
Isn't there a better convention to write this?
1-3?
1st-3rd?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: we are partially live....
> 
> 
> www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load.
> hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
view the site between now and then
> add
> 
> 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
> 
> to your etc/hosts file.
> 
> I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
> Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 02:47:08 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <080001cc773f$556c55f0$004501d0$@com>

http://www.ovirt.org/governance/voting/

this page assumes mostly 3 reviewers per patch.
I thought we raised it already that all current projects work with a
single reviewer unless specifically a patch is deemed important for a more
careful review.

i.e., I find this statement a bit weak in supporting the fact most
projects use a single (or dual) ack.
"Single ack can be adopted by a project if explicitly stated so for
non-substantial patches."

"Single ack can be adopted by a project if explicitly stated so. More acks
can be requested for patches requiring a more careful review."


> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: we are partially live....
> 
> 
> www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load.
> hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
view the site between now and then
> add
> 
> 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
> 
> to your etc/hosts file.
> 
> I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
> Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 02:53:23 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:53:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <080301cc7740$3565ad50$a03107f0$@com>

http://www.ovirt.org/governance/adding-a-subproject/

"It is also believed that those closet to"
s/closet/closest/

"These documents need to be public and voted on by theoVirt board"
s/theoVirt/the oVirt/



> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: we are partially live....
> 
> 
> www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load.
> hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
view the site between now and then
> add
> 
> 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
> 
> to your etc/hosts file.
> 
> I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
> Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 02:53:24 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:53:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <080401cc7740$36863880$a392a980$@com>

http://www.ovirt.org/governance/becoming-a-maintainer/ 

"(More on joining the board here .)"
s/.../href/

"The general rule is to defer 'expert' in an area until you become one"
s/defer/defer to an/

http://www.ovirt.org/governance/voting/

"in each category. (If the number of votes seems too small to be
representative of "
s/. (/ / - no need for a period before a parenthesis.






> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: we are partially live....
> 
> 
> www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load.
> hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
view the site between now and then
> add
> 
> 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
> 
> to your etc/hosts file.
> 
> I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
> Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 03:05:38 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:05:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <080c01cc7741$eb38a780$c1a9f680$@com>

http://www.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/

I don't think the board column should be kept on this one?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: we are partially live....
> 
> 
> www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load.
> hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
view the site between now and then
> add
> 
> 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
> 
> to your etc/hosts file.
> 
> I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
> Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 03:11:57 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:11:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <081301cc7742$cd5d6a60$68183f20$@com>

http://www.ovirt.org/governance/board/
"If you wish to join the oVirt project strategically, please contact
either:

    The board at board at oVirt.org
"

Remove 'either' if there is only one option

> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
> Trieloff
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: we are partially live....
> 
> 
> www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
causing the css not to load.
> hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
view the site between now and then
> add
> 
> 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
> 
> to your etc/hosts file.
> 
> I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
> Carl.



From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 03:18:18 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:18:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt site
In-Reply-To: <4E722A90.6050208@redhat.com>
References: <4E71B47F.2030804@redhat.com> <255201cc73c2$b7427fa0$25c77ee0$@com>
	<4E722A90.6050208@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <081901cc7743$aea22d80$0be68880$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 19:41 PM
> To: Itamar Heim
> Cc: 'Livnat Peer'; project-planning at ovirt.org; 'Carl Trieloff'
> Subject: Re: oVirt site
> 
> On 09/15/2011 12:17 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> > - need to decide if patch must be verified before submitting, or
> > verification could be done as part of patch review (for example,
gerrit
> > supports verification as part of flow. Some projects may prefer this
> > approach).
> > - (using gerrit terminology) anyone can +1 a patch. only maintainer
can +2
> > the patch. a +1 would help a maintainer do the +2.
> > - going back to my earlier point on committer != maintainer: in a
large
> > project, we'd still like committer to have right to commit to entire
git
> > to make things simple, but may have maintainers (or call them sub
> > maintainers) per module in the project. A committer would expect
(trust
> > would suffice I hope) the relevant maintainer[1] to give the +2 before
> > committing the patch[2]
> 
> Itamar,
> 
> Do you want to explicitly add the +2 for projects that use gerrit?  I
> can do that.

I agree with livnat we don't need it specifically. A +2 in gerrit is the
actual ack which is mentioned as +1.
(anyone can give a +1, maintainers can give a +2. The +1 helps the
maintainers with giving the +2 of course).
We can clarify this when we set it up with details on the process for the
projects using gerrit.

> 
> Carl.


From kwade at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 10:08:39 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 03:08:39 -0700
Subject: final PDF invite deck notes
Message-ID: <20110920100839.GI32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>

I went over (I believe) the latest PDF and have these notes for
changes. Replacement text is in "", simple search replace sed-style.

== page 2 ==

Drop "" around oVirt. Use bold to emphasize. (In American usage "" =
uncertainty.)

"The project will kickoff November 1st through 3rd with a meeting and
workshop that is open to all who want to use, learn about, or get
involved with the comprehensive open virtualization management
platform."

"The sessions cover the technical sub-projects, governance, getting
involved, usage, and much more. Full source code repositories, project
site, forums, and so forth will launch at the event."

"If you have any interest in an open virtualization management
platform you need to be there!"

== page 3 ==

(Should be:)

http://www.ovirt.org/news-and-events/workshop/

== page 6 ==

"Tremendous interest in open virtualization throughout ..."

s/etc/etc./

== page 7 ==

* "Superior performance, scalability, and security."
* s/OPEN/open/

== page 8 ==

* "The goal is to create a vibrant community where platforms,
  features, and interfaces are designed and implemented today and in
  to the future."

* "The project is seeded ..."

* "Open sourcing its virtualization management assets (RHEV)."

* "From partners, customers, and competitors to build ..."

== page 11 ==

* "... used by oVirt Engine or other applications ..."

== page 13 ==

* "Including hypervisor, engine, API, and GUI"
* s/eg./e.g./g

== page 14 ==

s/eg/e.g./

== page 18 ==

s/it's/its/

s/api's/APIs/

== page 21 ==

* "oVirt is now one of the projects it is able to promote."
* "... focused and works on implementation and definition of KVM
   solutions."

== page 22 ==

* "... can be seen as complementary in the same way ..."

== page 24 ==

s/oVirt engine/oVirt Engine/

s/sub-projects/projects/


-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:15:15 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:15:15 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <07ec01cc773a$13bf1480$3b3d3d80$@com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <07ec01cc773a$13bf1480$3b3d3d80$@com>
Message-ID: <4E7883D3.8040308@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 10:09 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> http://www.ovirt.org/project/resources/
> "The page is used to link or post any resource for the oVirt project"
> This page...
>
> "A PDF with background for the kick-off workshop"
> Background PDF for the kick-off workshop
>
> "A invitation that can be used to promote the workshop"
> s/A/An/
> but probably should be:
> "Please use the following invitation to promote the workshop"
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Carl
>> Trieloff
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:26 AM
>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
>> Subject: we are partially live....
>>
>>
>> www.ovirt.org is up, however the DNS has not yet cut across which is
> causing the css not to load.
>> hopefully DNS cuts across tonight or tomorrow morning. If you want to
> view the site between now and then
>> add
>>
>> 173.255.252.138 ovirt.org www.ovirt.org
>>
>> to your etc/hosts file.
>>
>> I will mail out when we are cut across correctly.
>> Carl.

done.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:16:34 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:16:34 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <07ef01cc773a$7fedc840$7fc958c0$@com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <07ef01cc773a$7fedc840$7fc958c0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E788422.2070107@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 10:12 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> Also, in the link:
> "Ovirt WorkShop Invitation"
> s/WorkShop/workshop/

did caps all words.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:18:58 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:18:58 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <07f301cc773c$4557d930$d0078b90$@com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <07f301cc773c$4557d930$d0078b90$@com>
Message-ID: <4E7884B2.2000605@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 10:25 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> http://www.ovirt.org/
> "Join us for a three-day workshop in the Silicon Valley, California, 1 to
> 3 November 2011"
> 1 to 3?
> Isn't there a better convention to write this?
> 1-3?
> 1st-3rd?

changed to "workshop at Cisco main campus, San Jose, California, 1st -
3rd November ... "


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:21:18 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:21:18 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <080001cc773f$556c55f0$004501d0$@com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <080001cc773f$556c55f0$004501d0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E78853E.4060501@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 10:47 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> i.e., I find this statement a bit weak in supporting the fact most
> projects use a single (or dual) ack.
> "Single ack can be adopted by a project if explicitly stated so for
> non-substantial patches."
>
> "Single ack can be adopted by a project if explicitly stated so. More acks
> can be requested for patches requiring a more careful review."

yes that is better, updated.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:22:57 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:22:57 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <080301cc7740$3565ad50$a03107f0$@com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <080301cc7740$3565ad50$a03107f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E7885A1.5000206@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 10:53 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> http://www.ovirt.org/governance/adding-a-subproject/
>
> "It is also believed that those closet to"
> s/closet/closest/
>
> "These documents need to be public and voted on by theoVirt board"
> s/theoVirt/the oVirt/
>
>

fixed.


From iheim at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:29:08 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:29:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <4E788422.2070107@redhat.com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <07ef01cc773a$7fedc840$7fc958c0$@com>
	<4E788422.2070107@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <09ee01cc7790$a38fad80$eaaf0880$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 15:17 PM
> To: Itamar Heim
> Cc: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: Re: we are partially live....
> 
> On 09/19/2011 10:12 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> > Also, in the link:
> > "Ovirt WorkShop Invitation"
> > s/WorkShop/workshop/
> 
> did caps all words.

Capital S in the middle of WorkShop is the issue


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:33:41 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:33:41 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <080401cc7740$36863880$a392a980$@com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <080401cc7740$36863880$a392a980$@com>
Message-ID: <4E788825.1070502@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 10:53 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> http://www.ovirt.org/governance/becoming-a-maintainer/ 
>
> "(More on joining the board here .)"
> s/.../href/
>
> "The general rule is to defer 'expert' in an area until you become one"
> s/defer/defer to an/
>
> http://www.ovirt.org/governance/voting/
>
> "in each category. (If the number of votes seems too small to be
> representative of "
> s/. (/ / - no need for a period before a parenthesis.

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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:35:26 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:35:26 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <080c01cc7741$eb38a780$c1a9f680$@com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <080c01cc7741$eb38a780$c1a9f680$@com>
Message-ID: <4E78888E.3040604@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 11:05 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> http://www.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/
>
> I don't think the board column should be kept on this one?

I'll remove it once we have the Board names from the other founding
members so I can post the board membership on the board page. I'll make
those two changes at once.

I also want to clean up the table a bit more based on suggestions from
Karsten.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 12:36:26 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:36:26 -0400
Subject: we are partially live....
In-Reply-To: <081301cc7742$cd5d6a60$68183f20$@com>
References: <4E77CFA0.3070503@redhat.com> <081301cc7742$cd5d6a60$68183f20$@com>
Message-ID: <4E7888CA.6090907@redhat.com>

On 09/19/2011 11:11 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> http://www.ovirt.org/governance/board/
> "If you wish to join the oVirt project strategically, please contact
> either:
>
>     The board at board at oVirt.org
> "
>
> Remove 'either' if there is only one option

done.


From rf at suse.com  Tue Sep 20 13:06:24 2011
From: rf at suse.com (Ralf Flaxa)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:06:24 +0200
Subject: Official "go" from SUSE
In-Reply-To: <20110916155624.u6xrttiuo0wo4c8w@imap.suse.de>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
	<OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>
	<4E711592.50800@redhat.com>
	<20110916142656.9izje0mfk80w40sg@imap.suse.de>
	<4E735208.2040106@redhat.com>
	<20110916155624.u6xrttiuo0wo4c8w@imap.suse.de>
Message-ID: <20110920150624.n2pk15leogw88ksg@imap.suse.de>

Hi,

Am Fr 16 Sep 2011 15:56:24 CEST schrieb Ralf Flaxa <rf at suse.com>:
>
> I am trying to get all stakeholders approve, but it looks like the last
> one I will only get during Monday, so can we move that to Tuesday to be
> on the safe side?

I meanwhile have also the approval from my boss, Nils Brauckmann.
With that all important stakeholders have approved, the penguins
are aligned and you have a "go" from SUSE.

We are still sorting out travel plans and who will come to the kickoff
workshop, but reserve at least 5 places for SUSE. I should have the
names by the end of this week.

     Ralf



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 13:16:57 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:16:57 -0400
Subject: Official "go" from SUSE
In-Reply-To: <20110920150624.n2pk15leogw88ksg@imap.suse.de>
References: <4E6E3842.1090801@redhat.com>
	<BB56054D-710A-47ED-B775-3BF56AA12842@cisco.com>
	<4E6E3976.5000506@redhat.com>
	<OF78B9445A.4F1051B5-ON88257909.005E9D89-88257909.005EC6D3@us.ibm.com>
	<B1E17F26-F37C-4F59-BA53-C69419C9615A@intel.com>
	<4E70FCB5.9050105@redhat.com>
	<D205FF58-7864-4199-B6EA-CC9675AAEF3F@cisco.com>
	<OF8974FF91.39C91750-ON8525790B.0071B995-8525790B.0071F34B@us.ibm.com>
	<4E711592.50800@redhat.com>
	<20110916142656.9izje0mfk80w40sg@imap.suse.de>
	<4E735208.2040106@redhat.com>
	<20110916155624.u6xrttiuo0wo4c8w@imap.suse.de>
	<20110920150624.n2pk15leogw88ksg@imap.suse.de>
Message-ID: <4E789249.2090809@redhat.com>

On 09/20/2011 09:06 AM, Ralf Flaxa wrote:
>
> I meanwhile have also the approval from my boss, Nils Brauckmann.
> With that all important stakeholders have approved, the penguins
> are aligned and you have a "go" from SUSE.
>
> We are still sorting out travel plans and who will come to the kickoff
> workshop, but reserve at least 5 places for SUSE. I should have the
> names by the end of this week.

Ralf,

thank you for the update.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 13:46:15 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:46:15 -0400
Subject: Ovirt Community - Becoming a maintainer
In-Reply-To: <201109200001.24305.dfediuck@redhat.com>
References: <201109200001.24305.dfediuck@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E789927.3060108@redhat.com>

>
> OK, looks much better now.
>
> Some final (I hope) remarks;
>
>
> 1. We now have 2 "Becoming a maintainer" headers. I'd change the 2nd
> one to
>
> something like "Applying for a project maintainer role" or anything alike.
>


done.


>
> 2. WRT contribution and maintenance mixture, it takes the focus off the
>
> document's topic, for no visible reason. I'll try to explain with 2
> examples;
>
>
> a. The car
>
> You just bought a new car, and you look into the owner manual, looking
>
> for a quick & simple way to adjust your radio pre-set stations.
>
> You get the information in one chapter which includes the complete wiring
>
> scheme, board design and explanation on connector types to use when
> connecting
>
> to amplifiers or phone car-kit. Will you think it's very helpful and
> easy to
>
> understand how you should set your radio buttons?
>
>
> Now think of the mechanic guy in the garage, getting the same manual,
>
> which he's supposed to use in order to verify what is short-circuiting
>
> the car embedded media controller. What will he think when he needs to
>
> read the connector description along with setting radio buttons?
>
>
> Is mixing all the information a good idea? Does it help both guys? Any
>
> of them?
>
>
> b. Git Book
>
> http://book.git-scm.com/
>
> As you can see there are separate chapters for each type of user;
>
> Basic, Intermediate and Advanced.
>
>
> I'm sure someone who looks for a way to recover corrupted objects,
>
> won't find git clone syntax very helpful while he looks for the relevant
>
> information.
>
>
> 3. Now back to us...
>
> I think the following should be used in a different document;
>
> - Contributing to a project
>
> - Adding to the discussions and contributing code
>
> - Large projects
>
>
> These (and maybe some more) should be located in a document
>
> focused on general community contribution and oVirt project
>
> specific contribution rules / policy / code / coding-conventions,
>
> etc. Apache,for instance, asks every contributer to sign something
>
> making the code contribution owned by / used by the relevant
>
> project, so there are no license / rights issues. This could
>
> be a good place for explaining such a signature, should we
>
> require one.
>
>
> Current document should be lean and mean; Containing the relevant
>
> information on becoming a maintainer, responsibilities, ethics,
>
> policies, etc. The document should start by referring to the
>
> project contribution document. In this way you give more
>
> background if needed.
>
>


The way you become a maintainer is through contribution. So the document
in my view needs to start with contribution to the project. I have added
a bit more to that section to make the role it plays clearer. Take a look.

The large project section is more like project governance and I agree
with you should probably be moved. I'll work on that.

Carl.




From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 14:43:24 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:43:24 -0400
Subject: We are LIVE !!!
Message-ID: <4E78A68C.7020804@redhat.com>


We are public...

Please subscribe to at least the user and announce list for now. More
information here

http://www.ovirt.org/project/community/

Feel free to speak about it, plug it, twitter it with the oVirt tag etc.

The PDF and e-mail invitation to the workshop are here

http://www.ovirt.org/project/resources/

We are onto phase 2, marketing the workshop and working the agenda.

Carl.


From rbergero at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 14:55:40 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:55:40 -0700
Subject: Workshop details, questions
Message-ID: <4E78A96C.9030009@redhat.com>

So thanks to Kyle and Michael at Cisco, we have space for our workshop 
on Nov. 1-3.  Right now, it looks like the biggest room that we can get 
is capable of handling 75 people. Wireless will be available.

A few questions:

* Do we want to advertise that we can only handle 75 people, and have a 
cutoff/waiting list?

* Nighttime activities: Are we interested in doing anything in the 
evening(s)?

* Food, dinners, etc: Are we doing anything along the lines of having a 
company sponsor food, an event, etc.? I'm not sure that we've gotten 
into those details.

Kyle, am I missing anything here? :)

-Robyn



From kmestery at cisco.com  Tue Sep 20 14:58:44 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:58:44 -0500
Subject: Workshop details, questions
In-Reply-To: <4E78A96C.9030009@redhat.com>
References: <4E78A96C.9030009@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <711C973D-90D7-49D6-98A1-2A1965B4002F@cisco.com>

Thanks for starting this discussion Robyn. (Copying Michael, not sure he is on the project-planning list).

I think those are the major things to discuss regarding the actual event. Once I hear back from Michael regarding the 75 person room, we can lock that number down I guess and decide on food, etc.

Thanks,
Kyle

On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:

> So thanks to Kyle and Michael at Cisco, we have space for our workshop on Nov. 1-3.  Right now, it looks like the biggest room that we can get is capable of handling 75 people. Wireless will be available.
> 
> A few questions:
> 
> * Do we want to advertise that we can only handle 75 people, and have a cutoff/waiting list?
> 
> * Nighttime activities: Are we interested in doing anything in the evening(s)?
> 
> * Food, dinners, etc: Are we doing anything along the lines of having a company sponsor food, an event, etc.? I'm not sure that we've gotten into those details.
> 
> Kyle, am I missing anything here? :)
> 
> -Robyn
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 14:58:35 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:58:35 -0400
Subject: Workshop details, questions
In-Reply-To: <4E78A96C.9030009@redhat.com>
References: <4E78A96C.9030009@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E78AA1B.3030806@redhat.com>

On 09/20/2011 10:55 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> So thanks to Kyle and Michael at Cisco, we have space for our workshop
> on Nov. 1-3.  Right now, it looks like the biggest room that we can
> get is capable of handling 75 people. Wireless will be available.
>
> A few questions:
>
> * Do we want to advertise that we can only handle 75 people, and have
> a cutoff/waiting list?

we could add that if we pick up rsvp's quickly.

I spoke with Itamar and we are going to put time in to get the workshop
details and schedule worked as that will help people deciding to come.

>
> * Nighttime activities: Are we interested in doing anything in the
> evening(s)?

I've marked one for the first night (which I got some budget from
stevens for). We can maybe also do a social tues is someone else wants
to pick it up. My thoughts are to do something that will allow people to
chat/ get to know each other

>
> * Food, dinners, etc: Are we doing anything along the lines of having
> a company sponsor food, an event, etc.? I'm not sure that we've gotten
> into those details.
>
> Kyle, am I missing anything here? :)
>


Let's make this one of the topics tomorrow's call.

Carl.


From rbergero at redhat.com  Tue Sep 20 15:00:46 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:00:46 -0700
Subject: Workshop details, questions
In-Reply-To: <4E78AA1B.3030806@redhat.com>
References: <4E78A96C.9030009@redhat.com> <4E78AA1B.3030806@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E78AA9E.9050306@redhat.com>

On 09/20/2011 07:58 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/20/2011 10:55 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>> So thanks to Kyle and Michael at Cisco, we have space for our workshop
>> on Nov. 1-3.  Right now, it looks like the biggest room that we can
>> get is capable of handling 75 people. Wireless will be available.
>>
>> A few questions:
>>
>> * Do we want to advertise that we can only handle 75 people, and have
>> a cutoff/waiting list?
> we could add that if we pick up rsvp's quickly.
>
> I spoke with Itamar and we are going to put time in to get the workshop
> details and schedule worked as that will help people deciding to come.
>
>> * Nighttime activities: Are we interested in doing anything in the
>> evening(s)?
> I've marked one for the first night (which I got some budget from
> stevens for). We can maybe also do a social tues is someone else wants
> to pick it up. My thoughts are to do something that will allow people to
> chat/ get to know each other
>
>> * Food, dinners, etc: Are we doing anything along the lines of having
>> a company sponsor food, an event, etc.? I'm not sure that we've gotten
>> into those details.
>>
>> Kyle, am I missing anything here? :)
>>
>
> Let's make this one of the topics tomorrow's call.
I'll add it to the agenda.
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From menescu at cisco.com  Tue Sep 20 16:20:36 2011
From: menescu at cisco.com (Michael Enescu (menescu))
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:20:36 -0700
Subject: Workshop details, questions
In-Reply-To: <4E78AA9E.9050306@redhat.com>
References: <4E78A96C.9030009@redhat.com> <4E78AA1B.3030806@redhat.com>
	<4E78AA9E.9050306@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <F84D40A60FC4C641B0203432891F52170E72EBC8@xmb-sjc-232.amer.cisco.com>

Guys, I'm having a bit of a log jam with the facilities guys and looks
like 45-50max is what we have now, but the room is pretty big and I'm
sure we can fit almost twice as many chairs in there, just not sure why
the facilities guys are going low; will see for sure shortly.

-----Original Message-----
From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Robyn Bergeron
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:01 AM
To: project-planning at ovirt.org
Subject: Re: Workshop details, questions

On 09/20/2011 07:58 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/20/2011 10:55 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>> So thanks to Kyle and Michael at Cisco, we have space for our
workshop
>> on Nov. 1-3.  Right now, it looks like the biggest room that we can
>> get is capable of handling 75 people. Wireless will be available.
>>
>> A few questions:
>>
>> * Do we want to advertise that we can only handle 75 people, and have
>> a cutoff/waiting list?
> we could add that if we pick up rsvp's quickly.
>
> I spoke with Itamar and we are going to put time in to get the
workshop
> details and schedule worked as that will help people deciding to come.
>
>> * Nighttime activities: Are we interested in doing anything in the
>> evening(s)?
> I've marked one for the first night (which I got some budget from
> stevens for). We can maybe also do a social tues is someone else wants
> to pick it up. My thoughts are to do something that will allow people
to
> chat/ get to know each other
>
>> * Food, dinners, etc: Are we doing anything along the lines of having
>> a company sponsor food, an event, etc.? I'm not sure that we've
gotten
>> into those details.
>>
>> Kyle, am I missing anything here? :)
>>
>
> Let's make this one of the topics tomorrow's call.
I'll add it to the agenda.
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 21 00:21:51 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:21:51 -0400
Subject: 2817 people found the launch of oVirt today
Message-ID: <4E792E1F.9060700@redhat.com>


that resulted in  a few rsvps. Let's keep getting the word out.

regards
Carl.


From kwade at redhat.com  Wed Sep 21 02:15:38 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:15:38 -0700
Subject: open archives or what?
Message-ID: <20110921021513.GD13320@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>

So we can't really just open the archives to this mailing list. We
have notes from out meetings in there that shouldn't be shared
publicly.

At the same time, we now need a list for doing planning of project
stuff in the open. For example, the workshop. Topics not really
suitable for board at .

Do we make a new list?

Or do we wipe the archives of this list and start from fresh?

I would be loathe to completely clean the archives to zero, but it
could be a pain to surgically remove content.

Thoughts?

- Karsten
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 21 02:17:23 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:17:23 -0400
Subject: open archives or what?
In-Reply-To: <20110921021513.GD13320@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
References: <20110921021513.GD13320@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
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new list and wiping the archives amounts to the same thing.

I would wipe it. let's confirm on the call tomorrow.

regards
Carl.

On 09/20/2011 10:15 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> So we can't really just open the archives to this mailing list. We
> have notes from out meetings in there that shouldn't be shared
> publicly.
>
> At the same time, we now need a list for doing planning of project
> stuff in the open. For example, the workshop. Topics not really
> suitable for board at .
>
> Do we make a new list?
>
> Or do we wipe the archives of this list and start from fresh?
>
> I would be loathe to completely clean the archives to zero, but it
> could be a pain to surgically remove content.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Karsten
>
>
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From rbergero at redhat.com  Wed Sep 21 12:46:25 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:46:25 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Agenda :: 2011-09-21
Message-ID: <4E79DCA1.7040809@redhat.com>

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Agenda

Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am  
US Pacific)

== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers

If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like 
it to be, please send rbergero at redhat.com an email.

== Intercall Conference ==
Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679
International Dial-In Number: (212) 729-5016
Other International Local and Toll-Free Dial-In Numbers: Listed in 
meeting invite and bottom of meeting agenda.

Conference code: 9197544554

If you are not actively participating in the conversation
please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to 
hear.
*6 -- Mute your line
#6 -- Unmute your line

== Project Schedule ==
  * Ongoing oVirt workshop promotion
  * oVirt Workshop - November 1, 2, 3
    * USA - CA - hosted by Cisco
      * Press release post workshop
      * Community startup at workshop
      * Schedule first community release
  * Community Infrastructure
    * Launch at workshop
    * First release - January/February.

== Agenda ==

1) Board invites, status
  *  New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
    * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back

2) Project launch status / Progress review
  * Website is live
  * Project announcement, invites have been sent
    * rsvp at ovirt.org
    * Do we need to have folks on the Google docs attendee list re-sign up?
    * OVA press release
  * Workshop is next major milestone

3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
  * Nov. 1, 2, 3, Cisco Main Campus, San Jose.
  * Details:
    * Attendee count, registration
    * Evening events/activities
    * Food

4) Infrastructure (ongoing agenda item)
  * Project naming status
  * BZ, mailing lists.

5) Other updates / Agenda topics

== Previous Action Items ==
  * Mike Day - Follow up with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html), advise that they have less 
than  3 days to commit
  * Carl Trieloff - Update google doc to reflect correct workshop date  
in all areas
  * Andy Cathrow - Follow up with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (has meeting scheduled), (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)  
((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html))
  * Karsten Wade - set up rsvp list at rsvp at ovirt.org for attendees to  
indicate attendance
  * Robyn Bergeron / Karsten to subscribe everyone on-list to board 
list  - board list will be public, planning list will still be private.
  * Robyn/Carl/Karsten to send out a final version of all docs,  
locations, etc.
  * Carl following up on workspace availability.
  * ALL: Please review slides, invite, webpage.
  * ALL: We need a relevant logo or picture on the website for launch -  
taking suggestions. Details/size of image are posted.
  * ALL: Looking around for people proficient in CSS markup - if you  
can, or know of a potential volunteer, please follow up for website items.

== International Dial-in Information ==

Global Access Numbers Local:
Australia, Sydney Dial-In #: 0289852326
Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 012534978196
Belgium, Brussels Dial-In #: 027920405
China Dial-In #: 4006205013
Denmark, Copenhagen Dial-In #: 32729215
Finland, Helsinki Dial-In #: 0923194436
France, Paris Dial-In #: 0170377140
Germany, Berlin Dial-In #: 030300190579
Ireland, Dublin Dial-In #: 014367793
Italy, Milan Dial-In #: 0236269529
Netherlands, Amsterdam Dial-In #: 0207975872
Norway, Oslo Dial-In #: 21033188
Singapore Dial-In #: 64840858
Spain, Barcelona Dial-In #: 935452328
Sweden, Stockholm Dial-In #: 0850513770
Switzerland, Geneva Dial-In #: 0225927881
United Kingdom Dial-In #: 02078970515
United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08445790676
United Kingdom, LocalCall Dial-In #: 08445790678
United States Dial-In #: 2127295016


Global Access Numbers Tollfree:
Argentina Dial-In #: 8004441016
Australia Dial-In #: 1800337169
Austria Dial-In #: 0800005898
Bahamas Dial-In #: 18002054776
Bahrain Dial-In #: 80004377
Belgium Dial-In #: 080048325
Brazil Dial-In #: 08008921002
Bulgaria Dial-In #: 008001100236
Chile Dial-In #: 800370228
Colombia Dial-In #: 018009134033
Costa Rica Dial-In #: 08000131048
Cyprus Dial-In #: 80095297
Czech Republic Dial-In #: 800700318
Denmark Dial-In #: 80887114
Dominican Republic Dial-In #: 18887512313
Estonia Dial-In #: 8000100232
Finland Dial-In #: 0800117116
France Dial-In #: 0805632867
Germany Dial-In #: 8006647541
Greece Dial-In #: 00800127562
Hong Kong Dial-In #: 800930349
Hungary Dial-In #: 0680016796
Iceland Dial-In #: 8008967
India Dial-In #: 0008006501533
Indonesia Dial-In #: 0018030179162
Ireland Dial-In #: 1800932401
Israel Dial-In #: 1809462557
Italy Dial-In #: 800985897
Jamaica Dial-In #: 18002050328
Japan Dial-In #: 0120934453
Korea (South) Dial-In #: 007986517393
Latvia Dial-In #: 80003339
Lithuania Dial-In #: 880030479
Luxembourg Dial-In #: 80026595
Malaysia Dial-In #: 1800814451
Mexico Dial-In #: 0018664590915
New Zealand Dial-In #: 0800888167
Norway Dial-In #: 80012994
Panama Dial-In #: 008002269184
Philippines Dial-In #: 180011100991
Poland Dial-In #: 008001210187
Portugal Dial-In #: 800814625
Russian Federation Dial-In #: 81080028341012
Saint Kitts and Nevis Dial-In #: 18002059252
Singapore Dial-In #: 8006162235
Slovak Republic Dial-In #: 0800001441
South Africa Dial-In #: 0800981148
Spain Dial-In #: 800300524
Sweden Dial-In #: 200896860
Switzerland Dial-In #: 800650077
Taiwan Dial-In #: 00801127141
Thailand Dial-In #: 001800656966
Trinidad and Tobago Dial-In #: 18002024615
United Arab Emirates Dial-In #: 8000650591
United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08006948057
United States Dial-In #: 8004518679
Uruguay Dial-In #: 00040190315
Venezuela Dial-In #: 08001627182



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 21 18:41:29 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:41:29 -0400
Subject: wiki is now live
Message-ID: <4E7A2FD9.6000609@redhat.com>


Details here.

http://www.ovirt.org/project/community/

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 12:45:08 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:45:08 -0400
Subject: 3550 visitors to oVirt yesterday
Message-ID: <4E7B2DD4.6000608@redhat.com>


coming up on 2000 already visited today.

regards
Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 19:02:39 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:02:39 -0400
Subject: Workshop - more details
Message-ID: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com>



I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on
the call yesterday.

Please don't hold back on any feedback.

(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

Questions...
-- start at 8AM?
-- enough time for breakouts?
-- enough time for investment areas from founders?

....

thx
Cal.


From iheim at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 19:46:46 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:46:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron
> Subject: Workshop - more details
> 
> 
> 
> I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on
> the call yesterday.
> 
> Please don't hold back on any feedback.
> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> Questions...
> -- start at 8AM?

That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the
afternoon...

> -- enough time for breakouts?

Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?

> -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
> 

I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
- engine
- api
- ui
- vdsm
- history & reports

And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel
idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)

Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some
pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working"
to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could
help others, etc.

> ....
> 
> thx
> Cal.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 20:03:10 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:03:10 -0400
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E7B947E.6020801@redhat.com>

On 09/22/2011 03:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM
>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron
>> Subject: Workshop - more details
>>
>>
>>
>> I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on
>> the call yesterday.
>>
>> Please don't hold back on any feedback.
>>
>>
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>> Questions...
>> -- start at 8AM?
> That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the
> afternoon...
>
>> -- enough time for breakouts?
> Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
>
>> -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
>>
> I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
> - engine
> - api
> - ui
> - vdsm
> - history & reports
>
> And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel
> idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
>
> Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some
> pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working"
> to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could
> help others, etc.
>
>

I'll edit this in and see what we get.

thx
Carl.


From rbergero at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 20:05:14 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:05:14 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-21
Message-ID: <4E7B94FA.2080105@redhat.com>

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes

Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am  
US Pacific)

== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers

If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like  
it to be, please send rbergero at redhat.com an email.

  * Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat)
  * Kyle Mestery (Cisco)
  * Carl Trieloff (Red Hat)
  * Frank Novak (IBM)
  * Karsten Wade (Red Hat)
  * Alexander Graf (SuSe)
  * Anthony Ligouri (Red Hat)
  * Livnat Peer (Red Hat)
  * Itamar Heim (Red Hat)
  * Andrew Cathrow (Red Hat)
  * Perry Myers (Red Hat)
  * Jon Benedict (NetApp)

== Project Schedule ==
  * Ongoing oVirt workshop promotion
  * oVirt Workshop - November 1, 2, 3
    * USA - CA - hosted by Cisco
      * Press release post workshop
      * Community startup at workshop
      * Schedule first community release
  * Community Infrastructure
    * Launch at workshop
    * First release - January/February.

== Action Items ==
  * Livnat to work with Carl re: Google analytics
  * Carl to start Google Doc re: starting to work the agenda
  * Karsten to get wiki live

== Agenda ==

0) Quick Updates:
  * Update from going live:
    * 2800 views yesterday
    * 1050~ views today thus far
    * Most traffic is being referred from twitter
  * Google Analytics would be a good idea, by names/geos - very easy for 
someone who knows how. Livnat to work with Carl to get it going.

1) Board invites, status
  *  New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
    * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
    * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back

2) Project launch status / Progress review
  * Website is live
  * Project announcement, invites have been sent
    * rsvp at ovirt.org
    * Do we need to have folks on the Google docs attendee list re-sign up?
    * OVA press release
  * Workshop is next major milestone

3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
  * Nov. 1, 2, 3, Cisco Main Campus, San Jose.
  * Details:
    * Attendee count, registration
    * Evening events/activities
    * Food
  * Need to get agenda firmed up by next Friday or possibly even Wednesday.
  * First morning
    * Introductions, running through full source via demonstration, 
scope of initial contribution, how it works. Afternoon: Start with 
initial architectural overviews of components together as a group.
  * Tuesday morning
    * Dev environment, etc. How to get started.
  * Other key aspects: Deeper dive around key components. Hardware 
enablement (Intel), IBM additional thoughts - additional sessions from 
other perspectives would be good.
  * Create a google doc, or possibly wiki? Carl to make notes somewhere 
(google docs, just need a wiki to post and will move over.)
  * Multiple audiences - developers as well as participants/observers. 
What's optimal for each of those groups?
  * IBM (Anthony speaking) hopes to answer - how to participate? What 
are the areas that people can dive into immediately and can help with? 
Make sure we have time for discussion. Need to have time to discuss how 
we can move forward. Kyle (Cisco) agrees. Dive-in sessions very useful, 
esp. for an event like this. BoFs or barcamp-style would be useful.
  * Gap analysis? Is that useful? Yes.
  * Want to walk away fromworkshop with ideas, etc. We can start those 
discussions For other participants, it's hard for them to commit on 
behalf of the rest of their companies.
  * Getting pre-work is very important to make sure that we get things 
out of the workshop.
  * Agreeing on first release date may be another thing to consider.
  * What's the most useful stuff for prior to workshop? Suggestions:
    * Gap analysis (at least from red hat's perspective), so they can 
see how it aligns with other interests in their companies
    * Documentation
    * Possible to post a recorded demo to oVirt website?
    * Links to existing info from Summit, etc. is possible
  * Need to do:
    * Documentation onto resources page
    * Relevant presentations from 3.0
    * Creating Demos around 3.0 release
    * Gap analysis
    * Roadmap / pick list
    * Feature pages? (ie: similar to Fedora?)

4) Infrastructure (ongoing agenda item)
  * Project naming status
  * BZ, mailing lists.
  * Wiki expected to be up in ~24hr
  * Gerrit coming as well
  * Discuss changing time / duration on the list

5) Other updates / Agenda topics



From iheim at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 20:05:29 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:05:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <11f201cc7960$1fd5fa40$5f81eec0$@com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f201cc7960$1fd5fa40$5f81eec0$@com>
Message-ID: <11f901cc7962$b5c38f70$214aae50$@com>

> From: Itamar Heim [mailto:iheim at redhat.com]
...
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> >
...
> > -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
> >
> 
> I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
> - engine
> - api
> - ui
> - vdsm
> - history & reports

Also:
- node
- sdk/cli

Obviously, these could be parallel, but we need to allow people to go to
more than one or two of these somehow.

Maybe we'll poll the RSVP list on which of these are more relevant or do
we concentrate only or 2-3 of them.


From dlaor at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 20:07:42 2011
From: dlaor at redhat.com (Dor Laor)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:07:42 +0300
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7B947E.6020801@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
	<4E7B947E.6020801@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E7B958E.6070409@redhat.com>

On 09/22/2011 11:03 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> On 09/22/2011 03:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM
>>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron
>>> Subject: Workshop - more details
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on
>>> the call yesterday.
>>>
>>> Please don't hold back on any feedback.
>>>
>>>
>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>> Questions...
>>> -- start at 8AM?
>> That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the
>> afternoon...
>>
>>> -- enough time for breakouts?
>> Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?

IMHO multiple adjustment rooms will be the best.
The scope is pretty big and the various interest changes from each 
developer/vendor.

I would organize it so each day there is a common start, break into 
several working groups (in rooms), at the end unite again around some 
easy topic like release period and again for the following day.

Have some of the BoF set up prior to the workshop


>>
>>> -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
>>>
>> I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
>> - engine
>> - api
>> - ui
>> - vdsm
>> - history&  reports
>>
>> And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel
>> idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
>>
>> Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some
>> pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working"
>> to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could
>> help others, etc.
>>
>>
>
> I'll edit this in and see what we get.
>
> thx
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 20:13:44 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:13:44 -0400
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <11f901cc7962$b5c38f70$214aae50$@com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f201cc7960$1fd5fa40$5f81eec0$@com>
	<11f901cc7962$b5c38f70$214aae50$@com>
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On 09/22/2011 04:05 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> From: Itamar Heim [mailto:iheim at redhat.com]
> ...
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> ...
>>> -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
>>>
>> I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
>> - engine
>> - api
>> - ui
>> - vdsm
>> - history & reports
> Also:
> - node
> - sdk/cli
>
> Obviously, these could be parallel, but we need to allow people to go to
> more than one or two of these somehow.
>
> Maybe we'll poll the RSVP list on which of these are more relevant or do
> we concentrate only or 2-3 of them.

I'll coordinate with Kyle and see how we can break the BOF's out/

Carl.



From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 22 20:20:17 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:20:17 -0500
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E7B9881.6070705@us.ibm.com>

On 09/22/2011 02:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM
>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron
>> Subject: Workshop - more details
>>
>>
>>
>> I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on
>> the call yesterday.
>>
>> Please don't hold back on any feedback.
>>
>>
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>
>> Questions...
>> -- start at 8AM?
>
> That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the
> afternoon...
>
>> -- enough time for breakouts?
>
> Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
>
>> -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
>>
>
> I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
> - engine
> - api
> - ui
> - vdsm
> - history&  reports
>
> And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel
> idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)

Yes, if we have to dedicate time to getting a build environment, then the build 
environment needs to be simplified :-)

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some
> pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working"
> to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could
> help others, etc.
>
>> ....
>>
>> thx
>> Cal.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 22 20:23:30 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:23:30 -0500
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-21
In-Reply-To: <4E7B94FA.2080105@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B94FA.2080105@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E7B9942.901@us.ibm.com>

On 09/22/2011 03:05 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes
>
> Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am US Pacific)
>
> == Invitees/Attendees ==
> project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers
>
> If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like it to be,
> please send rbergero at redhat.com an email.
>
> * Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat)
> * Kyle Mestery (Cisco)
> * Carl Trieloff (Red Hat)
> * Frank Novak (IBM)
> * Karsten Wade (Red Hat)
> * Alexander Graf (SuSe)
> * Anthony Ligouri (Red Hat)

IBM actually although I take that as a compliment ;-)

Regards,

Anthony Liguroi

> * Livnat Peer (Red Hat)
> * Itamar Heim (Red Hat)
> * Andrew Cathrow (Red Hat)
> * Perry Myers (Red Hat)
> * Jon Benedict (NetApp)
>
> == Project Schedule ==
> * Ongoing oVirt workshop promotion
> * oVirt Workshop - November 1, 2, 3
> * USA - CA - hosted by Cisco
> * Press release post workshop
> * Community startup at workshop
> * Schedule first community release
> * Community Infrastructure
> * Launch at workshop
> * First release - January/February.
>
> == Action Items ==
> * Livnat to work with Carl re: Google analytics
> * Carl to start Google Doc re: starting to work the agenda
> * Karsten to get wiki live
>
> == Agenda ==
>
> 0) Quick Updates:
> * Update from going live:
> * 2800 views yesterday
> * 1050~ views today thus far
> * Most traffic is being referred from twitter
> * Google Analytics would be a good idea, by names/geos - very easy for someone
> who knows how. Livnat to work with Carl to get it going.
>
> 1) Board invites, status
> * New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
> * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back
>
> 2) Project launch status / Progress review
> * Website is live
> * Project announcement, invites have been sent
> * rsvp at ovirt.org
> * Do we need to have folks on the Google docs attendee list re-sign up?
> * OVA press release
> * Workshop is next major milestone
>
> 3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
> * Nov. 1, 2, 3, Cisco Main Campus, San Jose.
> * Details:
> * Attendee count, registration
> * Evening events/activities
> * Food
> * Need to get agenda firmed up by next Friday or possibly even Wednesday.
> * First morning
> * Introductions, running through full source via demonstration, scope of initial
> contribution, how it works. Afternoon: Start with initial architectural
> overviews of components together as a group.
> * Tuesday morning
> * Dev environment, etc. How to get started.
> * Other key aspects: Deeper dive around key components. Hardware enablement
> (Intel), IBM additional thoughts - additional sessions from other perspectives
> would be good.
> * Create a google doc, or possibly wiki? Carl to make notes somewhere (google
> docs, just need a wiki to post and will move over.)
> * Multiple audiences - developers as well as participants/observers. What's
> optimal for each of those groups?
> * IBM (Anthony speaking) hopes to answer - how to participate? What are the
> areas that people can dive into immediately and can help with? Make sure we have
> time for discussion. Need to have time to discuss how we can move forward. Kyle
> (Cisco) agrees. Dive-in sessions very useful, esp. for an event like this. BoFs
> or barcamp-style would be useful.
> * Gap analysis? Is that useful? Yes.
> * Want to walk away fromworkshop with ideas, etc. We can start those discussions
> For other participants, it's hard for them to commit on behalf of the rest of
> their companies.
> * Getting pre-work is very important to make sure that we get things out of the
> workshop.
> * Agreeing on first release date may be another thing to consider.
> * What's the most useful stuff for prior to workshop? Suggestions:
> * Gap analysis (at least from red hat's perspective), so they can see how it
> aligns with other interests in their companies
> * Documentation
> * Possible to post a recorded demo to oVirt website?
> * Links to existing info from Summit, etc. is possible
> * Need to do:
> * Documentation onto resources page
> * Relevant presentations from 3.0
> * Creating Demos around 3.0 release
> * Gap analysis
> * Roadmap / pick list
> * Feature pages? (ie: similar to Fedora?)
>
> 4) Infrastructure (ongoing agenda item)
> * Project naming status
> * BZ, mailing lists.
> * Wiki expected to be up in ~24hr
> * Gerrit coming as well
> * Discuss changing time / duration on the list
>
> 5) Other updates / Agenda topics
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>



From rbergero at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 20:25:58 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:25:58 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-21
In-Reply-To: <4E7B9942.901@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E7B94FA.2080105@redhat.com> <4E7B9942.901@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E7B99D6.40005@redhat.com>

On 09/22/2011 01:23 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/22/2011 03:05 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>> oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes
>>
>> Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 
>> 07:00am US Pacific)
>>
>> == Invitees/Attendees ==
>> project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers
>>
>> If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would 
>> like it to be,
>> please send rbergero at redhat.com an email.
>>
>> * Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat)
>> * Kyle Mestery (Cisco)
>> * Carl Trieloff (Red Hat)
>> * Frank Novak (IBM)
>> * Karsten Wade (Red Hat)
>> * Alexander Graf (SuSe)
>> * Anthony Ligouri (Red Hat)
>
> IBM actually although I take that as a compliment ;-)
Yeah, I know that, too -- I have no idea what I was thinking. Sorry! 
(7am meetings + minutetaking = occasional mishaps) :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguroi
>
>> * Livnat Peer (Red Hat)
>> * Itamar Heim (Red Hat)
>> * Andrew Cathrow (Red Hat)
>> * Perry Myers (Red Hat)
>> * Jon Benedict (NetApp)
>>
>> == Project Schedule ==
>> * Ongoing oVirt workshop promotion
>> * oVirt Workshop - November 1, 2, 3
>> * USA - CA - hosted by Cisco
>> * Press release post workshop
>> * Community startup at workshop
>> * Schedule first community release
>> * Community Infrastructure
>> * Launch at workshop
>> * First release - January/February.
>>
>> == Action Items ==
>> * Livnat to work with Carl re: Google analytics
>> * Carl to start Google Doc re: starting to work the agenda
>> * Karsten to get wiki live
>>
>> == Agenda ==
>>
>> 0) Quick Updates:
>> * Update from going live:
>> * 2800 views yesterday
>> * 1050~ views today thus far
>> * Most traffic is being referred from twitter
>> * Google Analytics would be a good idea, by names/geos - very easy 
>> for someone
>> who knows how. Livnat to work with Carl to get it going.
>>
>> 1) Board invites, status
>> * New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
>> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
>> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
>> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
>> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
>> * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
>> * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back
>>
>> 2) Project launch status / Progress review
>> * Website is live
>> * Project announcement, invites have been sent
>> * rsvp at ovirt.org
>> * Do we need to have folks on the Google docs attendee list re-sign up?
>> * OVA press release
>> * Workshop is next major milestone
>>
>> 3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
>> * Nov. 1, 2, 3, Cisco Main Campus, San Jose.
>> * Details:
>> * Attendee count, registration
>> * Evening events/activities
>> * Food
>> * Need to get agenda firmed up by next Friday or possibly even 
>> Wednesday.
>> * First morning
>> * Introductions, running through full source via demonstration, scope 
>> of initial
>> contribution, how it works. Afternoon: Start with initial architectural
>> overviews of components together as a group.
>> * Tuesday morning
>> * Dev environment, etc. How to get started.
>> * Other key aspects: Deeper dive around key components. Hardware 
>> enablement
>> (Intel), IBM additional thoughts - additional sessions from other 
>> perspectives
>> would be good.
>> * Create a google doc, or possibly wiki? Carl to make notes somewhere 
>> (google
>> docs, just need a wiki to post and will move over.)
>> * Multiple audiences - developers as well as participants/observers. 
>> What's
>> optimal for each of those groups?
>> * IBM (Anthony speaking) hopes to answer - how to participate? What 
>> are the
>> areas that people can dive into immediately and can help with? Make 
>> sure we have
>> time for discussion. Need to have time to discuss how we can move 
>> forward. Kyle
>> (Cisco) agrees. Dive-in sessions very useful, esp. for an event like 
>> this. BoFs
>> or barcamp-style would be useful.
>> * Gap analysis? Is that useful? Yes.
>> * Want to walk away fromworkshop with ideas, etc. We can start those 
>> discussions
>> For other participants, it's hard for them to commit on behalf of the 
>> rest of
>> their companies.
>> * Getting pre-work is very important to make sure that we get things 
>> out of the
>> workshop.
>> * Agreeing on first release date may be another thing to consider.
>> * What's the most useful stuff for prior to workshop? Suggestions:
>> * Gap analysis (at least from red hat's perspective), so they can see 
>> how it
>> aligns with other interests in their companies
>> * Documentation
>> * Possible to post a recorded demo to oVirt website?
>> * Links to existing info from Summit, etc. is possible
>> * Need to do:
>> * Documentation onto resources page
>> * Relevant presentations from 3.0
>> * Creating Demos around 3.0 release
>> * Gap analysis
>> * Roadmap / pick list
>> * Feature pages? (ie: similar to Fedora?)
>>
>> 4) Infrastructure (ongoing agenda item)
>> * Project naming status
>> * BZ, mailing lists.
>> * Wiki expected to be up in ~24hr
>> * Gerrit coming as well
>> * Discuss changing time / duration on the list
>>
>> 5) Other updates / Agenda topics
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>
>



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 20:26:21 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:26:21 -0400
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7B9881.6070705@us.ibm.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
	<4E7B9881.6070705@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E7B99ED.7050905@redhat.com>

On 09/22/2011 04:20 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment
>> (novel
>> idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
>
> Yes, if we have to dedicate time to getting a build environment, then
> the build environment needs to be simplified :-)

the initial schedule was just a hack, no indication of reality. goal was
to get feedback and refine it.

Do we even want a getting going session? or just deal with as part of a BOF?

Carl.


From iheim at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 20:30:55 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:30:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7B99ED.7050905@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
	<4E7B9881.6070705@us.ibm.com> <4E7B99ED.7050905@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <121101cc7966$45232ce0$cf6986a0$@com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 23:26 PM
> To: Anthony Liguori
> Cc: Itamar Heim; project-planning at ovirt.org; 'Robyn Bergeron'
> Subject: Re: Workshop - more details
> 
> On 09/22/2011 04:20 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> >> And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment
> >> (novel
> >> idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
> >
> > Yes, if we have to dedicate time to getting a build environment, then
> > the build environment needs to be simplified :-)
> 
> the initial schedule was just a hack, no indication of reality. goal was
> to get feedback and refine it.
> 
> Do we even want a getting going session? or just deal with as part of a
BOF?

I think it's a must. Mailing list, review process, gerrit, devel
environment for engine, ui, real or fake vdsm, etc.


From mdday at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 22 21:01:43 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:01:43 -0400
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
Message-ID: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>



Hi folks,

I spoke with several financial customers interested in KVM earlier this
week and two topics we discussed were KVM benchmarking and the oVirt
community. Two of the customers suggested that we contribute benchmarking
suites to oVirt as projects, and that we form a benchmarking community
under oVirt.

IBM has successfully contributed a benchmark called DayTrader to the Apache
foundation and formed a community around that benchmark, which tests
middleware using transaction and networking workloads.

I'm not proposing DayTrader. But IBM does have some distributed benchmarks
that may be interesting to the community. And others of you probably also
have similar test suites.

What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
interest I'll pursue things on our end (no promises). But I think this is
good feedback from our customers and am interested to hear comments on the
idea.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org
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From iheim at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 21:11:35 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:11:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
[mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
> Day
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 0:02 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
> Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I spoke with several financial customers interested in KVM earlier this
week and two topics we discussed
> were KVM benchmarking and the oVirt community. Two of the customers
suggested that we contribute
> benchmarking suites to oVirt as projects, and that we form a
benchmarking community under oVirt.
> 
> IBM has successfully contributed a benchmark called DayTrader to the
Apache foundation and formed a
> community around that benchmark, which tests middleware using
transaction and networking workloads.
> 
> I'm not proposing DayTrader. But IBM does have some distributed
benchmarks that may be interesting to the
> community. And others of you probably also have similar test suites.
> 
> What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
interest I'll pursue things on our end
> (no promises). But I think this is good feedback from our customers and
am interested to hear comments on
> the idea.

How would that differentiate from specvirt?

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> Mike Day
> IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
> http://code.ncultra.org



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 21:11:05 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:11:05 -0400
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E7BA469.2020900@redhat.com>



Personally I think that would be great. It would be good to also have
benchmarks that can cover the full stack, so people can get an
understanding of scaling the full management platform + KVM for the data
centre.

Carl.


On 09/22/2011 05:01 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I spoke with several financial customers interested in KVM earlier
> this week and two topics we discussed were KVM benchmarking and the
> oVirt community. Two of the customers suggested that we contribute
> benchmarking suites to oVirt as projects, and that we form a
> benchmarking community under oVirt.
>
> IBM has successfully contributed a benchmark called DayTrader to the
> Apache foundation and formed a community around that benchmark, which
> tests middleware using transaction and networking workloads.
>
> I'm not proposing DayTrader. But IBM does have some distributed
> benchmarks that may be interesting to the community. And others of you
> probably also have similar test suites.
>
> What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
> interest I'll pursue things on our end (no promises). But I think this
> is good feedback from our customers and am interested to hear comments
> on the idea.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Day
> IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
> http://code.ncultra.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

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From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 22 21:20:02 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:20:02 -0500
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <122a01cc796b$f2cd3ca0$d867b5e0$@com>
References: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>
	<122a01cc796b$f2cd3ca0$d867b5e0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E7BA682.7020306@us.ibm.com>

On 09/22/2011 04:11 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
>> Day
>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 0:02 AM
>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
>> Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I spoke with several financial customers interested in KVM earlier this
> week and two topics we discussed
>> were KVM benchmarking and the oVirt community. Two of the customers
> suggested that we contribute
>> benchmarking suites to oVirt as projects, and that we form a
> benchmarking community under oVirt.
>>
>> IBM has successfully contributed a benchmark called DayTrader to the
> Apache foundation and formed a
>> community around that benchmark, which tests middleware using
> transaction and networking workloads.
>>
>> I'm not proposing DayTrader. But IBM does have some distributed
> benchmarks that may be interesting to the
>> community. And others of you probably also have similar test suites.
>>
>> What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
> interest I'll pursue things on our end
>> (no promises). But I think this is good feedback from our customers and
> am interested to hear comments on
>> the idea.
>
> How would that differentiate from specvirt?

specvirt is neither free as in beer nor free as in speech.  It's not something 
that a customer can easily obtain and play around with themselves.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori


>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Day
>> IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
>> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
>> http://code.ncultra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
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> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>



From agraf at suse.de  Thu Sep 22 21:31:12 2011
From: agraf at suse.de (Alexander Graf)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:31:12 +0200
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-21
In-Reply-To: <4E7B94FA.2080105@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B94FA.2080105@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <E03F103B-D2F4-47E8-ACA5-D9A2237A850F@suse.de>


Am 22.09.2011 um 22:05 schrieb Robyn Bergeron <rbergero at redhat.com>:

> oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes
> 
> Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am  US Pacific)
> 
> == Invitees/Attendees ==
> project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers
> 
> If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like  it to be, please send rbergero at redhat.com an email.
> 
> * Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat)
> * Kyle Mestery (Cisco)
> * Carl Trieloff (Red Hat)
> * Frank Novak (IBM)
> * Karsten Wade (Red Hat)
> * Alexander Graf (SuSe)

It's SUSE. If xou really want to be nostalgic and use the pre-Novell spelling, make it SuSE (Software und System Entwicklung).

But SuSe stresses two characters that in combination most Germans don't want to be associated with :).

> * Anthony Ligouri (Red Hat)
> * Livnat Peer (Red Hat)
> * Itamar Heim (Red Hat)
> * Andrew Cathrow (Red Hat)
> * Perry Myers (Red Hat)
> * Jon Benedict (NetApp)
> 
> == Project Schedule ==
> * Ongoing oVirt workshop promotion
> * oVirt Workshop - November 1, 2, 3
>   * USA - CA - hosted by Cisco
>     * Press release post workshop
>     * Community startup at workshop
>     * Schedule first community release
> * Community Infrastructure
>   * Launch at workshop
>   * First release - January/February.
> 
> == Action Items ==
> * Livnat to work with Carl re: Google analytics
> * Carl to start Google Doc re: starting to work the agenda
> * Karsten to get wiki live
> 
> == Agenda ==
> 
> 0) Quick Updates:
> * Update from going live:
>   * 2800 views yesterday
>   * 1050~ views today thus far
>   * Most traffic is being referred from twitter
> * Google Analytics would be a good idea, by names/geos - very easy for someone who knows how. Livnat to work with Carl to get it going.
> 
> 1) Board invites, status
> *  New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress:
>   * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike, Ryan)
>   * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day)
>   * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.)
>   * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - updating
>   * Waiting on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  HTTP://LISTS.OVIRT.ORG/MAILMAN/PROJECT-PLANNING/2011-SEPTEMBER/000283.HTML)
>   * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO:  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waiting to hear back
> 
> 2) Project launch status / Progress review
> * Website is live
> * Project announcement, invites have been sent
>   * rsvp at ovirt.org
>   * Do we need to have folks on the Google docs attendee list re-sign up?
>   * OVA press release
> * Workshop is next major milestone
> 
> 3) oVirt Workshop / Summit
> * Nov. 1, 2, 3, Cisco Main Campus, San Jose.
> * Details:
>   * Attendee count, registration
>   * Evening events/activities
>   * Food
> * Need to get agenda firmed up by next Friday or possibly even Wednesday.
> * First morning
>   * Introductions, running through full source via demonstration,

I usually like to sit down with source code in a dark corner and stare at it for a long time to evaluate what I think of it and then base my sympathy towards that code on it.

Thus I believe it'd make sense to provide it in advance to the workshop, so I don't have to search for a dark corner at Cisco and hide from you guys for a few days until I made up my mind and formed an opinion :).

Also, if either the source, structure or dev environment are too hard to grasp for me to figure it out on myself, this will not be a successful open source project. So I'm not sure how much the introduction rounds really buy us.


Alex

From dlaor at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 21:34:38 2011
From: dlaor at redhat.com (Dor Laor)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 00:34:38 +0300
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <4E7BA682.7020306@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>
	<122a01cc796b$f2cd3ca0$d867b5e0$@com> <4E7BA682.7020306@us.ibm.com>
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On 09/23/2011 12:20 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/22/2011 04:11 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
>> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
>>> Day
>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 0:02 AM
>>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
>>> Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I spoke with several financial customers interested in KVM earlier this
>> week and two topics we discussed
>>> were KVM benchmarking and the oVirt community. Two of the customers
>> suggested that we contribute
>>> benchmarking suites to oVirt as projects, and that we form a
>> benchmarking community under oVirt.
>>>
>>> IBM has successfully contributed a benchmark called DayTrader to the
>> Apache foundation and formed a
>>> community around that benchmark, which tests middleware using
>> transaction and networking workloads.
>>>
>>> I'm not proposing DayTrader. But IBM does have some distributed
>> benchmarks that may be interesting to the
>>> community. And others of you probably also have similar test suites.
>>>
>>> What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
>> interest I'll pursue things on our end
>>> (no promises). But I think this is good feedback from our customers and
>> am interested to hear comments on
>>> the idea.
>>
>> How would that differentiate from specvirt?
>
> specvirt is neither free as in beer nor free as in speech.  It's not
> something that a customer can easily obtain and play around with
> themselves.

Does such benchmark ever existed (apart from kernel build)? :)
As you pointed Anthony, let the ovirt project first focus on simplify 
the build process before we develop a competing benchmark suite to the 
one that we base lots of our marketing over.

Sorry spilling cold water, just one thing at a time.

>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori



From mdday at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 22 21:47:27 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:47:27 -0400
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <4E7BA9EE.8020607@redhat.com>
References: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>	<122a01cc796b$f2cd3ca0$d867b5e0$@com>
	<4E7BA682.7020306@us.ibm.com> <4E7BA9EE.8020607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <OFF07401F5.150952D2-ON85257913.0076DC67-85257913.0077B392@us.ibm.com>


project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/22/2011 05:34:38 PM:
>
> Does such benchmark ever existed (apart from kernel build)? :)
> As you pointed Anthony, let the ovirt project first focus on simplify
> the build process before we develop a competing benchmark suite to the
> one that we base lots of our marketing over.
>

Yes, there are several distributed benchmarks that test different aspects
of virtualization performance. SPECVirt tests server consolidation. It
doesn't test memory over-commitment. In fact, I don't think anyone who
publishes a SPECVirt score using a configuration that over-commits memory
because it hurts the score. There are other benchmark suites that test HPC
cluster-style workloads running on a hypervisor. And networking
performance. These are just some of the ones we use within IBM. They are
very useful. If we would have had better benchmark suites to test memory
usage you would have decided to include the balloon driver in RHEL 5.4
instead of relying solely upon KSM. And if we had used a good distributed
transactional benchmark like DayTrader we would have known early on that
small-packet network performance is relatively poor. Just a couple of
examples.

If a benchmarking project does happen, it would need to be a
self-sustaining project under the oVirt community umbrella. That means
there would need to be interest in the form of independent developer
resources.

And keep in mind I'm passing on customer feedback. (I happen to think its a
good suggestion as well).

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org
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From aliguori at us.ibm.com  Thu Sep 22 21:55:24 2011
From: aliguori at us.ibm.com (Anthony Liguori)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:55:24 -0500
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <OFF07401F5.150952D2-ON85257913.0076DC67-85257913.0077B392@LocalDomain>
References: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>	<122a01cc796b$f2cd3ca0$d867b5e0$@com>
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Message-ID: <4E7BAECC.6020502@us.ibm.com>

On 09/22/2011 04:47 PM, Michael D Day wrote:
> project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/22/2011 05:34:38 PM:
>>
>> Does such benchmark ever existed (apart from kernel build)? :)
>> As you pointed Anthony, let the ovirt project first focus on simplify
>> the build process before we develop a competing benchmark suite to the
>> one that we base lots of our marketing over.
>>
>
> Yes, there are several distributed benchmarks that test different aspects of
> virtualization performance. SPECVirt tests server consolidation. It doesn't
> test memory over-commitment. In fact, I don't think anyone who publishes a
> SPECVirt score using a configuration that over-commits memory because it hurts
> the score. There are other benchmark suites that test HPC cluster-style
> workloads running on a hypervisor. And networking performance. These are just
> some of the ones we use within IBM. They are very useful. If we would have had
> better benchmark suites to test memory usage you would have decided to include
> the balloon driver in RHEL 5.4 instead of relying solely upon KSM. And if we
> had used a good distributed transactional benchmark like DayTrader we would
> have known early on that small-packet network performance is relatively poor.
> Just a couple of examples.
>
> If a benchmarking project does happen, it would need to be a self-sustaining
> project under the oVirt community umbrella. That means there would need to be
> interest in the form of independent developer resources.

DayTrader is a web application benchmark.  You provide it a profile and it will 
simulate a bunch of clients trying to connect to your web application.

It's geared toward J2EE developers as it provides to do performance testing of 
your J2EE application.

I think the way to think of this in the context of oVirt, is a suite of tools 
that can be used by an ISV/Customer to validate that they're deployment of oVirt 
is optimized appropriately.

I definitely think its worth having a perf BoF as part of the workshop (or 
perhaps the next workshop) to start discussing how we handle performance 
measurement/tuning in an oVirt world.

I agree though that we need to tackle things one at a time but it doesn't hurt 
to have an idea of where we want to be in the long term while we do that :-)

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> And keep in mind I'm passing on customer feedback. (I happen to think its a
> good suggestion as well).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Day
> IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
> Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
> http://code.ncultra.org
>



From kmestery at cisco.com  Thu Sep 22 22:52:57 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:52:57 -0500
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
Message-ID: <3D760BFE-0315-426A-823E-7037F0A81BBA@cisco.com>

Itamar:

Regarding accommodating a small subset of folks Monday, that should not be a problem, I will make sure Michael and I keep that in mind as we're trying to allocate rooms for this at the Cisco campus now. If we do some early things, it's likely the space for any Monday events will be very limited compared to Tuesday through Thursday.

Thanks,
Kyle

On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:

> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM
>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron
>> Subject: Workshop - more details
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on
>> the call yesterday.
>> 
>> Please don't hold back on any feedback.
>> 
>> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

> X205I/edit?hl=en_US
>> 
>> Questions...
>> -- start at 8AM?
> 
> That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the
> afternoon...
> 
>> -- enough time for breakouts?
> 
> Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
> 
>> -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
>> 
> 
> I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
> - engine
> - api
> - ui
> - vdsm
> - history & reports
> 
> And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel
> idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
> 
> Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some
> pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working"
> to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could
> help others, etc.
> 
>> ....
>> 
>> thx
>> Cal.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 22 23:57:08 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:57:08 -0400
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <4E7BA9EE.8020607@redhat.com>
References: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>
	<122a01cc796b$f2cd3ca0$d867b5e0$@com>
	<4E7BA682.7020306@us.ibm.com> <4E7BA9EE.8020607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E7BCB54.2090706@redhat.com>

On 09/22/2011 05:34 PM, Dor Laor wrote:
> On 09/23/2011 12:20 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> On 09/22/2011 04:11 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org
>>> [mailto:project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
>>>> Day
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 0:02 AM
>>>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org
>>>> Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> I spoke with several financial customers interested in KVM earlier
>>>> this
>>> week and two topics we discussed
>>>> were KVM benchmarking and the oVirt community. Two of the customers
>>> suggested that we contribute
>>>> benchmarking suites to oVirt as projects, and that we form a
>>> benchmarking community under oVirt.
>>>>
>>>> IBM has successfully contributed a benchmark called DayTrader to the
>>> Apache foundation and formed a
>>>> community around that benchmark, which tests middleware using
>>> transaction and networking workloads.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not proposing DayTrader. But IBM does have some distributed
>>> benchmarks that may be interesting to the
>>>> community. And others of you probably also have similar test suites.
>>>>
>>>> What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
>>> interest I'll pursue things on our end
>>>> (no promises). But I think this is good feedback from our customers
>>>> and
>>> am interested to hear comments on
>>>> the idea.
>>>
>>> How would that differentiate from specvirt?
>>
>> specvirt is neither free as in beer nor free as in speech.  It's not
>> something that a customer can easily obtain and play around with
>> themselves.
>
> Does such benchmark ever existed (apart from kernel build)? :)
> As you pointed Anthony, let the ovirt project first focus on simplify
> the build process before we develop a competing benchmark suite to the
> one that we base lots of our marketing over.
>
> Sorry spilling cold water, just one thing at a time.


My view is build the eco-system. That means welcome any additional
complementary project. Having multiple projects under coordination means
that each project can build at it's own rate, yet we can have
integration. Additionally, not everyone can work on the same thing. We
have the concept of project maturity, so there is no risk as long as it
is well defined and complementary.

Additionally, if a project comes in and after a year or so gets no
traction we can sunset it. This provides a healthy model to have
community innovation in and around the oVirt core project.

regards
Carl.



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 00:00:59 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:00:59 -0400
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <3D760BFE-0315-426A-823E-7037F0A81BBA@cisco.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
	<3D760BFE-0315-426A-823E-7037F0A81BBA@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <4E7BCC3B.6040104@redhat.com>



Kyle,

On Tuesday through thursday, would we be able to get an additional 2
smaller break out rooms with whiteboards for working sessions/BOFs?  If
there are only specific times that work, we can plan the break-outs
around that.

Carl.


On 09/22/2011 06:52 PM, kmestery wrote:
> Itamar:
>
> Regarding accommodating a small subset of folks Monday, that should not be a problem, I will make sure Michael and I keep that in mind as we're trying to allocate rooms for this at the Cisco campus now. If we do some early things, it's likely the space for any Monday events will be very limited compared to Tuesday through Thursday.
>
> Thanks,
> Kyle
>
> On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM
>>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron
>>> Subject: Workshop - more details
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on
>>> the call yesterday.
>>>
>>> Please don't hold back on any feedback.
>>>
>>>
>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>> Questions...
>>> -- start at 8AM?
>> That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the
>> afternoon...
>>
>>> -- enough time for breakouts?
>> Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
>>
>>> -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
>>>
>> I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
>> - engine
>> - api
>> - ui
>> - vdsm
>> - history & reports
>>
>> And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel
>> idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
>>
>> Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some
>> pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working"
>> to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could
>> help others, etc.
>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> thx
>>> Cal.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 00:04:54 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:04:54 -0400
Subject: 4044 views for Sept 22
Message-ID: <4E7BCD26.8090907@redhat.com>


Top two link from sources

1.) linux.mag.de
2.) twitter

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 00:11:59 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:11:59 -0400
Subject: FYI - Post Workshop press discuss on Wed 28th agenda
Message-ID: <4E7BCECF.3070501@redhat.com>


I have invited Kerrin from our press team to join us next Wednesday's
call to discuss options for event/post-event release for official
project kick-off.

Doing this early, so there is enough time to discuss.

Carl.


From fnovak at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep 23 01:54:06 2011
From: fnovak at us.ibm.com (Frank Novak)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:54:06 +0800
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <4E7BCB54.2090706@redhat.com>
References: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>	<122a01cc796b$f2cd3ca0$d867b5e0$@com>
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project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/23/2011 07:57:08 AM:

> From: Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>

> >>>>
....
> >>>> What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
> >>> interest I'll pursue things on our end
> >>>> (no promises). But I think this is good feedback from our customers
> >>>> and
> >>> am interested to hear comments on
> >>>> the idea.
> >>>
> >>> How would that differentiate from specvirt?
> >>
> >> specvirt is neither free as in beer nor free as in speech.  It's not
> >> something that a customer can easily obtain and play around with
> >> themselves.
> >
> > Does such benchmark ever existed (apart from kernel build)? :)
> > As you pointed Anthony, let the ovirt project first focus on simplify
> > the build process before we develop a competing benchmark suite to the
> > one that we base lots of our marketing over.
> >
> > Sorry spilling cold water, just one thing at a time.
>
>

+1  (to the extent I get a vote.. Hmm, may need to go look at those rules
again! :-) )

> My view is build the eco-system. That means welcome any additional
> complementary project. Having multiple projects under coordination means
> that each project can build at it's own rate, yet we can have
> integration. Additionally, not everyone can work on the same thing. We
> have the concept of project maturity, so there is no risk as long as it
> is well defined and complementary.
>
> Additionally, if a project comes in and after a year or so gets no
> traction we can sunset it. This provides a healthy model to have
> community innovation in and around the oVirt core project.
>
We need to get a lot of seeds going.. while additional projects may take a
little attention from the initial project base, we need to foster growth.
I think the real question is whether or not we think it's within the scope
and mission of oVirt; I think there's certainly a need for it as a
community effort.. certainly important to the KVM ecosystem in general..
may not exactly fall into 'management' related, but I think we're broader
than that. It's also somewhat independent of the core framework, so
hopefully doesn't cause too much disruption to getting the base going, and
probably doesn't pull on/distract the core buildout.. may appeal more to
somewhat of a different crowd..

> regards
> Carl.
>


Cheers,
Frank



From fnovak at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep 23 01:54:06 2011
From: fnovak at us.ibm.com (Frank Novak)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:54:06 +0800
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <4E7BCB54.2090706@redhat.com>
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project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/23/2011 07:57:08 AM:

> From: Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>

> >>>>
....
> >>>> What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
> >>> interest I'll pursue things on our end
> >>>> (no promises). But I think this is good feedback from our customers
> >>>> and
> >>> am interested to hear comments on
> >>>> the idea.
> >>>
> >>> How would that differentiate from specvirt?
> >>
> >> specvirt is neither free as in beer nor free as in speech.  It's not
> >> something that a customer can easily obtain and play around with
> >> themselves.
> >
> > Does such benchmark ever existed (apart from kernel build)? :)
> > As you pointed Anthony, let the ovirt project first focus on simplify
> > the build process before we develop a competing benchmark suite to the
> > one that we base lots of our marketing over.
> >
> > Sorry spilling cold water, just one thing at a time.
>
>

+1  (to the extent I get a vote.. Hmm, may need to go look at those rules
again! :-) )

> My view is build the eco-system. That means welcome any additional
> complementary project. Having multiple projects under coordination means
> that each project can build at it's own rate, yet we can have
> integration. Additionally, not everyone can work on the same thing. We
> have the concept of project maturity, so there is no risk as long as it
> is well defined and complementary.
>
> Additionally, if a project comes in and after a year or so gets no
> traction we can sunset it. This provides a healthy model to have
> community innovation in and around the oVirt core project.
>
We need to get a lot of seeds going.. while additional projects may take a
little attention from the initial project base, we need to foster growth.
I think the real question is whether or not we think it's within the scope
and mission of oVirt; I think there's certainly a need for it as a
community effort.. certainly important to the KVM ecosystem in general..
may not exactly fall into 'management' related, but I think we're broader
than that. It's also somewhat independent of the core framework, so
hopefully doesn't cause too much disruption to getting the base going, and
probably doesn't pull on/distract the core buildout.. may appeal more to
somewhat of a different crowd..

> regards
> Carl.
>


Cheers,
Frank



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 02:48:47 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:48:47 -0400
Subject: virtualization benchmark suites
In-Reply-To: <OFA87E10FF.4D0B2426-ON48257914.00095DDF-48257914.000A7298@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF1DCF17A3.DF879BBD-ON85257913.0072FBC4-85257913.00738366@us.ibm.com>	<122a01cc796b$f2cd3ca0$d867b5e0$@com>
	<4E7BA682.7020306@us.ibm.com> <4E7BA9EE.8020607@redhat.com>
	<4E7BCB54.2090706@redhat.com>
	<OFA87E10FF.4D0B2426-ON48257914.00095DDF-48257914.000A7298@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4E7BF38F.7010009@redhat.com>

On 09/22/2011 09:54 PM, Frank Novak wrote:
>
> project-planning-bounces at ovirt.org wrote on 09/23/2011 07:57:08 AM:
>
>> From: Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>
> ....
>>>>>> What is the group's feeling about benchmarking projects? If there's
>>>>> interest I'll pursue things on our end
>>>>>> (no promises). But I think this is good feedback from our customers
>>>>>> and
>>>>> am interested to hear comments on
>>>>>> the idea.
>>>>> How would that differentiate from specvirt?
>>>> specvirt is neither free as in beer nor free as in speech.  It's not
>>>> something that a customer can easily obtain and play around with
>>>> themselves.
>>> Does such benchmark ever existed (apart from kernel build)? :)
>>> As you pointed Anthony, let the ovirt project first focus on simplify
>>> the build process before we develop a competing benchmark suite to the
>>> one that we base lots of our marketing over.
>>>
>>> Sorry spilling cold water, just one thing at a time.
>>
> +1  (to the extent I get a vote.. Hmm, may need to go look at those rules
> again! :-) )
>
>> My view is build the eco-system. That means welcome any additional
>> complementary project. Having multiple projects under coordination means
>> that each project can build at it's own rate, yet we can have
>> integration. Additionally, not everyone can work on the same thing. We
>> have the concept of project maturity, so there is no risk as long as it
>> is well defined and complementary.
>>
>> Additionally, if a project comes in and after a year or so gets no
>> traction we can sunset it. This provides a healthy model to have
>> community innovation in and around the oVirt core project.
>>
> We need to get a lot of seeds going.. while additional projects may take a
> little attention from the initial project base, we need to foster growth.
> I think the real question is whether or not we think it's within the scope
> and mission of oVirt; I think there's certainly a need for it as a
> community effort.. certainly important to the KVM ecosystem in general..
> may not exactly fall into 'management' related, but I think we're broader
> than that. It's also somewhat independent of the core framework, so
> hopefully doesn't cause too much disruption to getting the base going, and
> probably doesn't pull on/distract the core buildout.. may appeal more to
> somewhat of a different crowd..
>
>

yes, the key is going to be working out what is complementary, 
balancing building momentum and breadth. I'm sure we will spend many
emails on this topic working through this as the project grows. I would
also like some of Jim's input here when he gets back from PTO.

Carl.



From kmestery at cisco.com  Fri Sep 23 02:50:57 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:50:57 -0500
Subject: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7BCC3B.6040104@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <11f001cc7960$1a22c790$4e6856b0$@com>
	<3D760BFE-0315-426A-823E-7037F0A81BBA@cisco.com>
	<4E7BCC3B.6040104@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <DDF0AC13-1D56-4BCD-B94A-0CA8F17601CB@cisco.com>

Michael and I are working on that now, yes. At a minimum, we are looking for smaller rooms on days 2 and 3. We will keep you updated.

Thanks,
Kyle

On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> 
> 
> Kyle,
> 
> On Tuesday through thursday, would we be able to get an additional 2
> smaller break out rooms with whiteboards for working sessions/BOFs?  If
> there are only specific times that work, we can plan the break-outs
> around that.
> 
> Carl.
> 
> 
> On 09/22/2011 06:52 PM, kmestery wrote:
>> Itamar:
>> 
>> Regarding accommodating a small subset of folks Monday, that should not be a problem, I will make sure Michael and I keep that in mind as we're trying to allocate rooms for this at the Cisco campus now. If we do some early things, it's likely the space for any Monday events will be very limited compared to Tuesday through Thursday.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kyle
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 22:03 PM
>>>> To: project-planning at ovirt.org; Itamar Heim; Robyn Bergeron
>>>> Subject: Workshop - more details
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I've updated the agenda to be more specific based on the discussion on
>>>> the call yesterday.
>>>> 
>>>> Please don't hold back on any feedback.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

>>> X205I/edit?hl=en_US
>>>> Questions...
>>>> -- start at 8AM?
>>> That would be better for all of us traveling and on jetlag in the
>>> afternoon...
>>> 
>>>> -- enough time for breakouts?
>>> Are these in a single room or multiple rooms?
>>> 
>>>> -- enough time for investment areas from founders?
>>>> 
>>> I am missing a lot of deep dive time per module
>>> - engine
>>> - api
>>> - ui
>>> - vdsm
>>> - history & reports
>>> 
>>> And more time than an hour on getting people a working environment (novel
>>> idea - we'll pre-create a fedora kvm VM with one to shorten ramp up)
>>> 
>>> Please check if the site can accommodate Monday as well for some
>>> pre-workshop stuff (so we could move the "get a devel environment working"
>>> to that day for example for people who can come early, then they could
>>> help others, etc.
>>> 
>>>> ....
>>>> 
>>>> thx
>>>> Cal.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 



From rbergero at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 14:11:34 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:11:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oVirt Weekly Sync Call
Message-ID: <94da7fb4-eb6d-4f57-8e41-f06b921d3166@zmail06.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

The following meeting has been modified:

Subject: oVirt Weekly Sync Call 
Organizer: "Robyn Bergeron" <rbergero at redhat.com> 

Location: Bridge info listed in invite 
Time: 7:00:00 AM - 7:30:00 AM GMT -07:00 Arizona [MODIFIED]
 Recurrence : Every 1 week(s) on  No end date Effective Aug 31, 2011

Invitees: project-planning at ovirt.org; pmyers at redhat.com; mdday at us.ibm.com; Adam.Mendoza at netapp.com; waskoj at us.ibm.com; imad.sousou at intel.com; fnovak at us.ibm.com; lpeer at redhat.com; bazulay at redhat.com; Jon.Benedict at netapp.com; raharper at us.ibm.com ... 


*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*






oVirt project launch synchronization call. 

* Wednesdays, 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 7:00am US Pacific) 
* Shared document: (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

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From kwade at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 15:28:07 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:28:07 -0700
Subject: open archives or what?
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References: <20110921021513.GD13320@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
	<4E794933.8070504@redhat.com>
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:17:23PM -0400, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> 
> 
> new list and wiping the archives amounts to the same thing.

Without some record of past decisions and how/why we got here, we are
subject to the memories of people who may not always be around.

> I would wipe it. let's confirm on the call tomorrow.

I recommend we leave it as-is and start a new mailing list.

We're already doing planning that we could be doing in the open. The
more of our cards we share, the more of our work we share.

- Karsten

> regards
> Carl.
> 
> On 09/20/2011 10:15 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> > So we can't really just open the archives to this mailing list. We
> > have notes from out meetings in there that shouldn't be shared
> > publicly.
> >
> > At the same time, we now need a list for doing planning of project
> > stuff in the open. For example, the workshop. Topics not really
> > suitable for board at .
> >
> > Do we make a new list?
> >
> > Or do we wipe the archives of this list and start from fresh?
> >
> > I would be loathe to completely clean the archives to zero, but it
> > could be a pain to surgically remove content.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > - Karsten
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Project-planning mailing list
> > Project-planning at ovirt.org
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 

> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


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From kwade at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 16:33:19 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:33:19 -0700
Subject: open archives or what?
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	<20110923152807.GU32013@calliope.fairy-talefarm.com>
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Carl and I just discussed this and agreed that a bit of surgery on the
archives should do the trick. Then we don't have to spin up a new
list, etc. I'll work to make this happen ASAP.

- Karsten

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 08:28:07AM -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:17:23PM -0400, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > new list and wiping the archives amounts to the same thing.
> 
> Without some record of past decisions and how/why we got here, we are
> subject to the memories of people who may not always be around.
> 
> > I would wipe it. let's confirm on the call tomorrow.
> 
> I recommend we leave it as-is and start a new mailing list.
> 
> We're already doing planning that we could be doing in the open. The
> more of our cards we share, the more of our work we share.
> 
> - Karsten
> 
> > regards
> > Carl.
> > 
> > On 09/20/2011 10:15 PM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> > > So we can't really just open the archives to this mailing list. We
> > > have notes from out meetings in there that shouldn't be shared
> > > publicly.
> > >
> > > At the same time, we now need a list for doing planning of project
> > > stuff in the open. For example, the workshop. Topics not really
> > > suitable for board at .
> > >
> > > Do we make a new list?
> > >
> > > Or do we wipe the archives of this list and start from fresh?
> > >
> > > I would be loathe to completely clean the archives to zero, but it
> > > could be a pain to surgically remove content.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > - Karsten
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Project-planning mailing list
> > > Project-planning at ovirt.org
> > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> > 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Project-planning mailing list
> > Project-planning at ovirt.org
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 
> 
> -- 
> name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
> team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
> uri:             http://communityleadershipteam.org
>                         http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
> gpg:                                       AD0E0C41



> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
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From rbergero at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 17:26:37 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:26:37 -0700
Subject: Please confirm your workshop attendance
Message-ID: <4E7CC14D.6000705@redhat.com>

Hi folks,

I'm going to start wrangling the RSVP list.

We had a list going here, for board-company-attendees:

(URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)

... but I'd like to confirm availability for those attendees, now that 
we have a date/location settled. If you are on this list, please 
highlight your name in GREEN on the spreadsheet if you plan to attend, 
RED if you are not.  (Or, if you are the person who signed someone else 
up, please do this for them, unless you don't know, in which case, just 
work it out with them.)

Anyone *new* who is not yet on this list should just send an email to 
the rsvp at ovirt.org mailing list.

And in the meantime, I'll start collecting the names/addresses of those 
who have signed up to the rsvp@ mailing list so that we can keep a count 
going.

Questions, comments, flames welcome. :)

-Robyn






From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 19:00:55 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:00:55 -0400
Subject: Updated: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>


I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.

 (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)


I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first
day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning
content from day 2 to day one and work around that.

Take a look and fire additional comments.

regards
Carl.


From kmestery at cisco.com  Fri Sep 23 19:14:24 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:14:24 -0500
Subject: Updated: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <72370ED5-2A2D-4B71-85F9-A893FF4AB404@cisco.com>

Carl:

This looks like it's taking shape nicely. One suggestion I have is on Wednesday, should we swap Roadmap 2 hour session with the BoFs? This would allow us to finish each day with BoF sessions consistently. And, if the roadmap session goes short, to extend the BoF time in one solid block.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Kyle

On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:

> 
> I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
> 
> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> 
> I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first
> day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning
> content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
> 
> Take a look and fire additional comments.
> 
> regards
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 23 19:27:52 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:27:52 -0400
Subject: Updated: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <72370ED5-2A2D-4B71-85F9-A893FF4AB404@cisco.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>
	<72370ED5-2A2D-4B71-85F9-A893FF4AB404@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <4E7CDDB8.906@redhat.com>



yes, I like that. will do

Carl.


On 09/23/2011 03:14 PM, kmestery wrote:
> Carl:
>
> This looks like it's taking shape nicely. One suggestion I have is on Wednesday, should we swap Roadmap 2 hour session with the BoFs? This would allow us to finish each day with BoF sessions consistently. And, if the roadmap session goes short, to extend the BoF time in one solid block.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Kyle
>
> On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
>> I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
>>
>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>
>>
>> I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first
>> day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning
>> content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
>>
>> Take a look and fire additional comments.
>>
>> regards
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From abaron at redhat.com  Sat Sep 24 19:28:37 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: http://www.ovirt.org/project/subprojects/
In-Reply-To: <080d01cc7741$ec710070$c5530150$@com>
Message-ID: <9467edd5-39f3-463c-854a-d185a6ed276a@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

Hi Carl,

The vdsm lists listed on the site are incorrect.

Correct links are:
vdsm-devel at lists.fedorahosted.org
vdsm-patches at lists.fedorahosted.org

Resources should also include vdsm git path
http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=vdsm.git

Thanks,
Ayal


From lpeer at redhat.com  Sun Sep 25 06:59:56 2011
From: lpeer at redhat.com (Livnat Peer)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:59:56 +0300
Subject: Updated: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E7ED16C.4050707@redhat.com>

On 09/23/2011 10:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> 
> I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
> 
>  (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
> 
> 
> I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first
> day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning
> content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
> 
> Take a look and fire additional comments.
> 

Hi,

I think a session on the conversion process from c# to java of the
engine core could be both interesting (previous experience) and useful
for explaining parts of the current engine code.

Livnat


From agraf at suse.de  Mon Sep 26 10:13:18 2011
From: agraf at suse.de (Alexander Graf)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:13:18 +0200
Subject: Updated: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <4E7ED16C.4050707@redhat.com>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>
	<4E7ED16C.4050707@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <88290DB6-E3F2-482D-BDAB-40B1B10BB44F@suse.de>


Am 25.09.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Livnat Peer <lpeer at redhat.com>:

> On 09/23/2011 10:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> 
>> I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
>> 
>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>> 
>> 
>> I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first
>> day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning
>> content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
>> 
>> Take a look and fire additional comments.
>> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think a session on the conversion process from c# to java of the
> engine core could be both interesting (previous experience) and useful
> for explaining parts of the current engine code.

Yup, please also include some of the rationale behind it. I very much prefer c# as a language and environment over Java, though I don't know if the web server stuff in there is as bad as J2EE. Given that MS is not exactly worse than Oracle, the patent FUD part is out of question too.

I'd also be interested in some real (and honest) comparison between the 2 frameworks. Which one was easier to code for? Which one is more stable? Eadier to read?

Thinking about it, this could be a very interesting talk for a Linux/OSS conference :). Better than the initial meeting even, as history shouldn't matter too much for us going forward. The state is what it is.

Alex

> 


From dlaor at redhat.com  Mon Sep 26 11:47:50 2011
From: dlaor at redhat.com (Dor Laor)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:47:50 +0300
Subject: Updated: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <88290DB6-E3F2-482D-BDAB-40B1B10BB44F@suse.de>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>
	<4E7ED16C.4050707@redhat.com>
	<88290DB6-E3F2-482D-BDAB-40B1B10BB44F@suse.de>
Message-ID: <4E806666.8010506@redhat.com>

On 09/26/2011 01:13 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>
> Am 25.09.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Livnat Peer<lpeer at redhat.com>:
>
>> On 09/23/2011 10:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>>
>>> I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
>>>
>>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first
>>> day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning
>>> content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
>>>
>>> Take a look and fire additional comments.
>>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think a session on the conversion process from c# to java of the
>> engine core could be both interesting (previous experience) and useful
>> for explaining parts of the current engine code.
>
> Yup, please also include some of the rationale behind it. I very much prefer c# as a language and environment over Java, though I don't know if the web server stuff in there is as bad as J2EE. Given that MS is not exactly worse than Oracle, the patent FUD part is out of question too.
>
> I'd also be interested in some real (and honest) comparison between the 2 frameworks. Which one was easier to code for? Which one is more stable? Eadier to read?
>
> Thinking about it, this could be a very interesting talk for a Linux/OSS conference :). Better than the initial meeting even, as history shouldn't matter too much for us going forward. The state is what it is.

For the history records, I was the only one against using windows for 
the kvm mgmt application back then in the Qumranet days. I though that 
it is wrong to pick a completely different environment than the hosts 
that runs the VMs. In addition, I envisioned a distributed mgmt so it 
resides on the KVM hosts themselves, with full application level fault 
tolerant thus being scalable and support high availability inherently.

Hope to get to that one day.

>
> Alex
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 26 15:01:59 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:01:59 -0400
Subject: Updated: Workshop - more details
In-Reply-To: <88290DB6-E3F2-482D-BDAB-40B1B10BB44F@suse.de>
References: <4E7B864F.5090108@redhat.com> <4E7CD767.2060705@redhat.com>
	<4E7ED16C.4050707@redhat.com>
	<88290DB6-E3F2-482D-BDAB-40B1B10BB44F@suse.de>
Message-ID: <4E8093E7.1040809@redhat.com>

On 09/26/2011 06:13 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
> Am 25.09.2011 um 08:59 schrieb Livnat Peer <lpeer at redhat.com>:
>
>> On 09/23/2011 10:00 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>> I've updated the agenda with all the input received so far.
>>>
>>> (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html)
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have interactive sessions starting in the afternoon of the first
>>> day. If only get break out rooms from day two we can move the morning
>>> content from day 2 to day one and work around that.
>>>
>>> Take a look and fire additional comments.
>>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think a session on the conversion process from c# to java of the
>> engine core could be both interesting (previous experience) and useful
>> for explaining parts of the current engine code.
> Yup, please also include some of the rationale behind it. I very much prefer c# as a language and environment over Java, though I don't know if the web server stuff in there is as bad as J2EE. Given that MS is not exactly worse than Oracle, the patent FUD part is out of question too.
>
> I'd also be interested in some real (and honest) comparison between the 2 frameworks. Which one was easier to code for? Which one is more stable? Eadier to read?
>
> Thinking about it, this could be a very interesting talk for a Linux/OSS conference :). Better than the initial meeting even, as history shouldn't matter too much for us going forward. The state is what it is.
>
> Alex
>


I think we may be ready to post the updated agenda. I suggest we keep a
section of requested BOF's and put the above topic into that. Then we
can use the list for help coordinate the BOF's and add and remove topic
as required.

Carl.




From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 26 17:43:23 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:43:23 -0400
Subject: 6998 page views Friday
Message-ID: <4E80B9BB.7010106@redhat.com>


Top referrers.

1.) reddit
2.) register
3.) lpeer's blog 
...
8) twitter


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 26 17:58:40 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:58:40 -0400
Subject: Posted the current agenda as tentitive
Message-ID: <4E80BD50.7050208@redhat.com>


at http://www.ovirt.org/news-and-events/workshop/

We can refine as needed / as we get closer to the date, this seems to be
a good framework to work towards based on comments so far.

Carl.


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Mon Sep 26 20:40:04 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:40:04 -0400
Subject: Board member
Message-ID: <4E80E324.5020708@redhat.com>


If it is possible, could we get the named board members for each
strategic member. If we are going to action decisions on the 3
subprojects requests we will need these for voting.

I suggest we try get them named this week, I'll spend some time on the
call around it, and the next week we spend some time on the sub project
topic.

kind regards,

Carl.


From Adam.Mendoza at netapp.com  Mon Sep 26 22:02:52 2011
From: Adam.Mendoza at netapp.com (Mendoza, Adam)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:02:52 -0700
Subject: Board member
In-Reply-To: <4E80E324.5020708@redhat.com>
References: <4E80E324.5020708@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <F16DF3DA-A95C-42C6-8F54-AC174E07D660@netapp.com>

Please consider Jon Benedict NetApp's board member.

Best,
Adam

On Sep 26, 2011, at 1:42 PM, "Carl Trieloff" <cctrieloff at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> If it is possible, could we get the named board members for each
> strategic member. If we are going to action decisions on the 3
> subprojects requests we will need these for voting.
> 
> I suggest we try get them named this week, I'll spend some time on the
> call around it, and the next week we spend some time on the sub project
> topic.
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
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From ykaul at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 05:22:32 2011
From: ykaul at redhat.com (Yaniv Kaul)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:22:32 +0300
Subject: Posted the current agenda as tentitive
In-Reply-To: <4E80BD50.7050208@redhat.com>
References: <4E80BD50.7050208@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E815D98.5040003@redhat.com>

On 26/09/2011 20:58, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> at http://www.ovirt.org/news-and-events/workshop/
>
> We can refine as needed / as we get closer to the date, this seems to be
> a good framework to work towards based on comments so far.
>
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

I'd be happy if we could fit a session (or more?) about quality 
assurance / engineering - bug triaging, functionality testing, 
scalability testing.
Possibly related to release scheduling, of course.

Y.
(RHEVM QE Manager).



From lpeer at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 06:59:37 2011
From: lpeer at redhat.com (Livnat Peer)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:59:37 +0300
Subject: Posted the current agenda as tentitive
In-Reply-To: <4E815D98.5040003@redhat.com>
References: <4E80BD50.7050208@redhat.com> <4E815D98.5040003@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E817459.1060906@redhat.com>

On 09/27/2011 08:22 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote:
> On 26/09/2011 20:58, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>> at http://www.ovirt.org/news-and-events/workshop/
>>
>> We can refine as needed / as we get closer to the date, this seems to be
>> a good framework to work towards based on comments so far.
>>
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 
> I'd be happy if we could fit a session (or more?) about quality
> assurance / engineering - bug triaging, functionality testing,
> scalability testing.
> Possibly related to release scheduling, of course.
> 
> Y.
> (RHEVM QE Manager).
> 

+1

Livnat




From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 13:13:05 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:13:05 -0400
Subject: Board member
In-Reply-To: <F16DF3DA-A95C-42C6-8F54-AC174E07D660@netapp.com>
References: <4E80E324.5020708@redhat.com>
	<F16DF3DA-A95C-42C6-8F54-AC174E07D660@netapp.com>
Message-ID: <4E81CBE1.7030908@redhat.com>



thanks
Carl.


On 09/26/2011 06:02 PM, Mendoza, Adam wrote:
> Please consider Jon Benedict NetApp's board member.
>
> Best,
> Adam
>
> On Sep 26, 2011, at 1:42 PM, "Carl Trieloff" <cctrieloff at redhat.com
> <mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> If it is possible, could we get the named board members for each
>> strategic member. If we are going to action decisions on the 3
>> subprojects requests we will need these for voting.
>>
>> I suggest we try get them named this week, I'll spend some time on the
>> call around it, and the next week we spend some time on the sub project
>> topic.
>>
>> kind regards,
>>
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org <mailto:Project-planning at ovirt.org>
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>

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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 13:13:49 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:13:49 -0400
Subject: Posted the current agenda as tentitive
In-Reply-To: <4E817459.1060906@redhat.com>
References: <4E80BD50.7050208@redhat.com> <4E815D98.5040003@redhat.com>
	<4E817459.1060906@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E81CC0D.7060601@redhat.com>

On 09/27/2011 02:59 AM, Livnat Peer wrote:
> On 09/27/2011 08:22 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote:
>> On 26/09/2011 20:58, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>> at http://www.ovirt.org/news-and-events/workshop/
>>>
>>> We can refine as needed / as we get closer to the date, this seems to be
>>> a good framework to work towards based on comments so far.
>>>
>>> Carl.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>> I'd be happy if we could fit a session (or more?) about quality
>> assurance / engineering - bug triaging, functionality testing,
>> scalability testing.
>> Possibly related to release scheduling, of course.
>>
>> Y.
>> (RHEVM QE Manager).
>>
> +1
>
> Livnat
>
>

Added to topics.

thx
Carl.




From rbergero at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 13:18:40 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:18:40 -0700
Subject: Confirming RSVPs
Message-ID: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>

I've seen a number of comments in various places touching on the fact 
that people aren't quite sure what they should be getting when they send 
an email to rsvp at ovirt.org.

Do we want to add some sort of confirmation mail, stating that we've 
received your RSVP and added you to our list, and more details will be 
forthcoming by $specificdate?

-Robyn


From agraf at suse.de  Tue Sep 27 13:20:01 2011
From: agraf at suse.de (Alexander Graf)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:20:01 +0200
Subject: Confirming RSVPs
In-Reply-To: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
References: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <DB97D8D7-B7FF-4506-920C-9B573B8D42B4@suse.de>


On 27.09.2011, at 15:18, Robyn Bergeron wrote:

> I've seen a number of comments in various places touching on the fact that people aren't quite sure what they should be getting when they send an email to rsvp at ovirt.org.
> 
> Do we want to add some sort of confirmation mail, stating that we've received your RSVP and added you to our list, and more details will be forthcoming by $specificdate?

Yes, please. Sending emails into nirvana is never fun :)


Alex



From kmestery at cisco.com  Tue Sep 27 13:20:14 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:20:14 -0500
Subject: Confirming RSVPs
In-Reply-To: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
References: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <D298C037-F0DC-4992-AAE5-4215DE1319B0@cisco.com>

Yes, I think that makes sense. People sending email to rsvp at ovirt.org should get something back to confirm (at a minimum) we have received their request, and even better would be something indicating they have a reserved slot so folks can plan travel.

On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:

> I've seen a number of comments in various places touching on the fact that people aren't quite sure what they should be getting when they send an email to rsvp at ovirt.org.
> 
> Do we want to add some sort of confirmation mail, stating that we've received your RSVP and added you to our list, and more details will be forthcoming by $specificdate?
> 
> -Robyn
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 13:20:17 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:20:17 -0400
Subject: Confirming RSVPs
In-Reply-To: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
References: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E81CD91.7030408@redhat.com>


I have been replying with a thank you to each mail.

I would suggest that maybe next week we mail out info on the updated
agenda and a brief mail, many one weekly working up to the event.

We can also mail out once the video material is posted etc.

Carl.



On 09/27/2011 09:18 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> I've seen a number of comments in various places touching on the fact
> that people aren't quite sure what they should be getting when they
> send an email to rsvp at ovirt.org.
>
> Do we want to add some sort of confirmation mail, stating that we've
> received your RSVP and added you to our list, and more details will be
> forthcoming by $specificdate?
>
> -Robyn
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 13:21:28 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:21:28 -0400
Subject: Confirming RSVPs
In-Reply-To: <D298C037-F0DC-4992-AAE5-4215DE1319B0@cisco.com>
References: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
	<D298C037-F0DC-4992-AAE5-4215DE1319B0@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <4E81CDD8.5020206@redhat.com>



yes, a more 'official' mail would be better.

Carl.


On 09/27/2011 09:20 AM, kmestery wrote:
> Yes, I think that makes sense. People sending email to rsvp at ovirt.org should get something back to confirm (at a minimum) we have received their request, and even better would be something indicating they have a reserved slot so folks can plan travel.
>
> On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>
>> I've seen a number of comments in various places touching on the fact that people aren't quite sure what they should be getting when they send an email to rsvp at ovirt.org.
>>
>> Do we want to add some sort of confirmation mail, stating that we've received your RSVP and added you to our list, and more details will be forthcoming by $specificdate?
>>
>> -Robyn
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From rf at suse.com  Tue Sep 27 13:40:54 2011
From: rf at suse.com (Ralf Flaxa)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:40:54 +0200
Subject: Board member
In-Reply-To: <4E80E324.5020708@redhat.com>
References: <4E80E324.5020708@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20110927154054.ephhagaoi88ssg84@imap.suse.de>

Hi Carl,

I would like Alexander Graf to be the official board member for SUSE.

     Ralf

Am Mo 26 Sep 2011 22:40:04 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>
> If it is possible, could we get the named board members for each
> strategic member. If we are going to action decisions on the 3
> subprojects requests we will need these for voting.
>
> I suggest we try get them named this week, I'll spend some time on the
> call around it, and the next week we spend some time on the sub project
> topic.
>
> kind regards,
>
> Carl.
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>




From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 13:41:11 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:41:11 -0400
Subject: Board member
In-Reply-To: <20110927154054.ephhagaoi88ssg84@imap.suse.de>
References: <4E80E324.5020708@redhat.com>
	<20110927154054.ephhagaoi88ssg84@imap.suse.de>
Message-ID: <4E81D277.3040901@redhat.com>



Thank you.

I believe we have all the names in except for Intel as David is
travelling to China.

Frank, can you check with David when you meet with him tomorrow.

thx
Carl.



On 09/27/2011 09:40 AM, Ralf Flaxa wrote:
> Hi Carl,
>
> I would like Alexander Graf to be the official board member for SUSE.
>
>     Ralf
>
> Am Mo 26 Sep 2011 22:40:04 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff
> <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>>
>> If it is possible, could we get the named board members for each
>> strategic member. If we are going to action decisions on the 3
>> subprojects requests we will need these for voting.
>>
>> I suggest we try get them named this week, I'll spend some time on the
>> call around it, and the next week we spend some time on the sub project
>> topic.
>>
>> kind regards,
>>
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From imad.sousou at intel.com  Tue Sep 27 13:43:58 2011
From: imad.sousou at intel.com (Sousou, Imad)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:43:58 -0600
Subject: Board member
In-Reply-To: <4E81D277.3040901@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <E1A1564674E5754FB00AB9AC949D5E326114496943@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

Hi, I will be the board member from Intel
Thanks
Imad
Sent by blackberry

----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 06:41 AM
To: project-planning at ovirt.org <project-planning at ovirt.org>
Subject: Re: Board member



Thank you.

I believe we have all the names in except for Intel as David is
travelling to China.

Frank, can you check with David when you meet with him tomorrow.

thx
Carl.



On 09/27/2011 09:40 AM, Ralf Flaxa wrote:
> Hi Carl,
>
> I would like Alexander Graf to be the official board member for SUSE.
>
>     Ralf
>
> Am Mo 26 Sep 2011 22:40:04 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff
> <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>>
>> If it is possible, could we get the named board members for each
>> strategic member. If we are going to action decisions on the 3
>> subprojects requests we will need these for voting.
>>
>> I suggest we try get them named this week, I'll spend some time on the
>> call around it, and the next week we spend some time on the sub project
>> topic.
>>
>> kind regards,
>>
>> Carl.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning

_______________________________________________
Project-planning mailing list
Project-planning at ovirt.org
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 13:49:07 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:49:07 -0400
Subject: Board member
In-Reply-To: <E1A1564674E5754FB00AB9AC949D5E326114496943@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <E1A1564674E5754FB00AB9AC949D5E326114496943@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <4E81D453.4060005@redhat.com>



Thank you.

I will post the initial board list, we are all accounted for now

regards
Carl.


On 09/27/2011 09:43 AM, Sousou, Imad wrote:
> Hi, I will be the board member from Intel
> Thanks
> Imad
> Sent by blackberry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Trieloff [mailto:cctrieloff at redhat.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 06:41 AM
> To: project-planning at ovirt.org <project-planning at ovirt.org>
> Subject: Re: Board member
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> I believe we have all the names in except for Intel as David is
> travelling to China.
>
> Frank, can you check with David when you meet with him tomorrow.
>
> thx
> Carl.
>
>
>
> On 09/27/2011 09:40 AM, Ralf Flaxa wrote:
>> Hi Carl,
>>
>> I would like Alexander Graf to be the official board member for SUSE.
>>
>>     Ralf
>>
>> Am Mo 26 Sep 2011 22:40:04 CEST schrieb Carl Trieloff
>> <cctrieloff at redhat.com>:
>>> If it is possible, could we get the named board members for each
>>> strategic member. If we are going to action decisions on the 3
>>> subprojects requests we will need these for voting.
>>>
>>> I suggest we try get them named this week, I'll spend some time on the
>>> call around it, and the next week we spend some time on the sub project
>>> topic.
>>>
>>> kind regards,
>>>
>>> Carl.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From kwade at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 17:16:57 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:16:57 -0700
Subject: Confirming RSVPs
In-Reply-To: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
References: <4E81CD30.3050904@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20110927171657.GD14141@terpsichore.fairy-talefarm.com>

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 06:18:40AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> I've seen a number of comments in various places touching on the
> fact that people aren't quite sure what they should be getting when
> they send an email to rsvp at ovirt.org.
> 
> Do we want to add some sort of confirmation mail, stating that we've
> received your RSVP and added you to our list, and more details will
> be forthcoming by $specificdate?

So I did not set up an auto-reply because that's dangerous - we want
to confirm as a human so the name is actually on a list.

I agree that when any of us takes a name and puts it on the master
list (where is that list, btw?), we should reply with a thank you,
confirmation, and more details coming.

Also, if it makes it easier, we can create a one-off mailing list that
we add people to - an announcement-type list, not for discussion
per-se.

If you are interested, just point me at the list to start things
off. Once it's going, we can easily add names.

(BTW, I have steered away from doing anything with the rsvp messages
because of not having a process, but I'm happy to help now.)

- Karsten
-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
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                        http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
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From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 21:23:19 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:23:19 -0400
Subject: Additional govenance guideline doc
Message-ID: <4E823EC7.6050401@redhat.com>




Based on suggestions and comments on the threads around sub-project, I
suggest we add the following guide for new projects.

Most of the content from Anthony.

fire away with comments... when we are happy with it, I'll post it.

Carl.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A Project that wants to join oVirt should follow the following basic
guidelines:


1) Project posts an overview page on ovirt.org/wiki, including scope and
short term roadmap to ovirt.org wiki. That page is then copied as a mail
to board at ovirt

2) There is an official comment period that lasts for a period of time
up to 3 weeks. This time period allows for questions to be enhanced, and
the wiki to be improved. Projects can complete this stage faster,
however the key is provide enough time for discussion.

3) At any point in this time period, the proposal can be officially
withdrawn.

4) At the end of the period or once there seems to be consensus, there
is a final call for comments before a vote takes place. If the thread's
comments die down, then a VOTE thread can be used to move the process along.


Include the following information on the overview wiki page

Project name:

Project description:

Initial scope:

Description of how the project meets the oVirt requirements
http://www.ovirt.org/governance/adding-a-subproject/
a.) Each project must agree to support the oVirt complete stack (CS)
release schedule
b.) Each project must agree to provide or integrate with one of the
published API?s

Create dev list:

Create bugzilla:

GIT location if already open source:



From abaron at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 21:32:01 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:32:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Additional govenance guideline doc
In-Reply-To: <4E823EC7.6050401@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <7f111c13-0630-4ea1-9d69-49a73bbbf024@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>



----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
> 
> Based on suggestions and comments on the threads around sub-project,
> I
> suggest we add the following guide for new projects.
> 
> Most of the content from Anthony.
> 
> fire away with comments... when we are happy with it, I'll post it.
> 
> Carl.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> A Project that wants to join oVirt should follow the following basic
> guidelines:
> 
> 
> 1) Project posts an overview page on ovirt.org/wiki, including scope
> and
> short term roadmap to ovirt.org wiki. That page is then copied as a

Although implied, I think the following info should be required explicitly - proposed method of integration (i.e. what are the points which it integrates with, how, and what is the added value to oVirt

> mail
> to board at ovirt
> 
> 2) There is an official comment period that lasts for a period of
> time
> up to 3 weeks. This time period allows for questions to be enhanced,
> and
> the wiki to be improved. Projects can complete this stage faster,
> however the key is provide enough time for discussion.
> 
> 3) At any point in this time period, the proposal can be officially
> withdrawn.
> 
> 4) At the end of the period or once there seems to be consensus,
> there
> is a final call for comments before a vote takes place. If the
> thread's
> comments die down, then a VOTE thread can be used to move the process
> along.
> 
> 
> Include the following information on the overview wiki page
> 
> Project name:
> 
> Project description:
> 
> Initial scope:
> 
> Description of how the project meets the oVirt requirements
> http://www.ovirt.org/governance/adding-a-subproject/
> a.) Each project must agree to support the oVirt complete stack (CS)
> release schedule
> b.) Each project must agree to provide or integrate with one of the
> published API?s
> 
> Create dev list:
> 
> Create bugzilla:
> 
> GIT location if already open source:
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board
> 


From kwade at redhat.com  Tue Sep 27 22:50:36 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:50:36 -0700
Subject: archives cleaned, ready to open list
Message-ID: <20110927225036.GE14141@terpsichore.fairy-talefarm.com>

Folks:

As per the original design for this list, we are planning to open the
archives and subscription to the community.

Prior to doing that, I manually redacted specific company names, names
of individuals, and the Google Docs URLs with similar information in
them. These redacted details are related to individuals and
organizations that did not elect to join oVirt to start. We want their
relationship with oVirt to be revealed in a manner and time of their
choosing, not by accident from our archives.

For any Google Docs we are using, we need to create a new document and
copy/paste the clean information in to it to avoid the revision
history.

I'd like to open the list and archives following the next meeting. If
you want to check for any particular detail in the archives, please
take the opportunity to look and let me know if you have any
questions, something that needs changing, and so forth.

If there is no protest, I'll be opening the archives 24 hours from
now.

Thanks - Karsten
-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
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From iheim at redhat.com  Wed Sep 28 11:57:44 2011
From: iheim at redhat.com (Itamar Heim)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:57:44 +0300
Subject: hotel for workshop
Message-ID: <4E830BB8.2040805@redhat.com>

Can we arrange with a hotel adjacent to the workshop for group pricing 
(or maybe cisco already has one)?

would be nice if most would stay in same hotel, and reduce costs


Thanks,
    Itamar


From rbergero at redhat.com  Wed Sep 28 12:31:54 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 05:31:54 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Agenda :: 2011-09-28
Message-ID: <4E8313BA.6060004@redhat.com>

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Agenda

Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am 
US Pacific)

== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers

If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like 
it to be, please mail rbergero at redhat.com.

== Intercall Conference ==
Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679
International Dial-In Number: (212) 729-5016
Other International Local and Toll-Free Dial-In Numbers: Listed in 
meeting invite and bottom of meeting agenda.

Conference code: 9197544554

If you are not actively participating in the conversation
please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to 
hear.
*6 -- Mute your line
#6 -- Unmute your line

== Project Schedule ==
  * Ongoing oVirt workshop promotion
  * oVirt Workshop - November 1, 2, 3
    * USA - CA - hosted by Cisco
      * Press release post workshop
      * Community startup at workshop
      * Schedule first community release
  * Community Infrastructure
    * Launch at workshop
    * First release - January/February.

== Call Agenda ==

1) Board news
  * Board members are now confirmed from each strategic company. (Carl)
  * Board members voting on first few proposed projects

2) Project launch status / Progress review
  * Statistics review (Carl)

3) oVirt Workshop / Summit  - Nov. 1 - 3, Cisco Main Campus, San Jose, CA.
  * http://www.ovirt.org/news-and-events/workshop/
  * Attendance updates (Robyn)
  * Logistics planning:
    * Capacity is 45 people
    * Planning for breakout rooms
    * Evening events/activities planning
    * Food
    * Hotel arrangements
  * Press release discussion (Kerri from Red Hat joining call)

4) Infrastructure (Karsten)
  * Wiki update, movement from shared google document
  * Project-planning list archival plans
  * Project naming status

5) Other updates / Agenda topics

== International Dial-in Information ==

Global Access Numbers Local:
Australia, Sydney Dial-In #: 0289852326
Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 012534978196
Belgium, Brussels Dial-In #: 027920405
China Dial-In #: 4006205013
Denmark, Copenhagen Dial-In #: 32729215
Finland, Helsinki Dial-In #: 0923194436
France, Paris Dial-In #: 0170377140
Germany, Berlin Dial-In #: 030300190579
Ireland, Dublin Dial-In #: 014367793
Italy, Milan Dial-In #: 0236269529
Netherlands, Amsterdam Dial-In #: 0207975872
Norway, Oslo Dial-In #: 21033188
Singapore Dial-In #: 64840858
Spain, Barcelona Dial-In #: 935452328
Sweden, Stockholm Dial-In #: 0850513770
Switzerland, Geneva Dial-In #: 0225927881
United Kingdom Dial-In #: 02078970515
United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08445790676
United Kingdom, LocalCall Dial-In #: 08445790678
United States Dial-In #: 2127295016


Global Access Numbers Tollfree:
Argentina Dial-In #: 8004441016
Australia Dial-In #: 1800337169
Austria Dial-In #: 0800005898
Bahamas Dial-In #: 18002054776
Bahrain Dial-In #: 80004377
Belgium Dial-In #: 080048325
Brazil Dial-In #: 08008921002
Bulgaria Dial-In #: 008001100236
Chile Dial-In #: 800370228
Colombia Dial-In #: 018009134033
Costa Rica Dial-In #: 08000131048
Cyprus Dial-In #: 80095297
Czech Republic Dial-In #: 800700318
Denmark Dial-In #: 80887114
Dominican Republic Dial-In #: 18887512313
Estonia Dial-In #: 8000100232
Finland Dial-In #: 0800117116
France Dial-In #: 0805632867
Germany Dial-In #: 8006647541
Greece Dial-In #: 00800127562
Hong Kong Dial-In #: 800930349
Hungary Dial-In #: 0680016796
Iceland Dial-In #: 8008967
India Dial-In #: 0008006501533
Indonesia Dial-In #: 0018030179162
Ireland Dial-In #: 1800932401
Israel Dial-In #: 1809462557
Italy Dial-In #: 800985897
Jamaica Dial-In #: 18002050328
Japan Dial-In #: 0120934453
Korea (South) Dial-In #: 007986517393
Latvia Dial-In #: 80003339
Lithuania Dial-In #: 880030479
Luxembourg Dial-In #: 80026595
Malaysia Dial-In #: 1800814451
Mexico Dial-In #: 0018664590915
New Zealand Dial-In #: 0800888167
Norway Dial-In #: 80012994
Panama Dial-In #: 008002269184
Philippines Dial-In #: 180011100991
Poland Dial-In #: 008001210187
Portugal Dial-In #: 800814625
Russian Federation Dial-In #: 81080028341012
Saint Kitts and Nevis Dial-In #: 18002059252
Singapore Dial-In #: 8006162235
Slovak Republic Dial-In #: 0800001441
South Africa Dial-In #: 0800981148
Spain Dial-In #: 800300524
Sweden Dial-In #: 200896860
Switzerland Dial-In #: 800650077
Taiwan Dial-In #: 00801127141
Thailand Dial-In #: 001800656966
Trinidad and Tobago Dial-In #: 18002024615
United Arab Emirates Dial-In #: 8000650591
United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08006948057
United States Dial-In #: 8004518679
Uruguay Dial-In #: 00040190315
Venezuela Dial-In #: 08001627182



From kmestery at cisco.com  Wed Sep 28 13:13:15 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:13:15 -0500
Subject: hotel for workshop
In-Reply-To: <4E830BB8.2040805@redhat.com>
References: <4E830BB8.2040805@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <F45A6520-F81F-4BE1-AA51-C10B267982F6@cisco.com>

Itamar:

I just booked travel for myself, and I found that some hotels are already booked that week. Travel to the valley is booming again, I guess.

I booked at the below hotel, which has worked well for me in the past:

HILTON SANTA CLARA (HILTON HOTELS)
4949 GREAT AMERICA PARKWAY
SANTA CLARA CA 95054
Phone  1-408-330-0001 
Fax 1-408-562-6736

It's only a few miles from the Cisco campus, and there is even light rail access down Tasman if people need that as well. But if others have opinions regarding the hotel, please chime in. I am not aware of a group discount at this hotel, but maybe if enough folks are registering, we could get one.

Thanks,
Kyle

On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:

> Can we arrange with a hotel adjacent to the workshop for group pricing (or maybe cisco already has one)?
> 
> would be nice if most would stay in same hotel, and reduce costs
> 
> 
> Thanks,
>   Itamar
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From abaron at redhat.com  Wed Sep 28 13:20:53 2011
From: abaron at redhat.com (Ayal Baron)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: hotel for workshop
In-Reply-To: <F45A6520-F81F-4BE1-AA51-C10B267982F6@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <6609cd42-6e98-4cac-8b3f-86b59dd25148@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>

On the Cisco site I found: http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le21/le34/academy/2011/index.html#~costs
For a previous event they used the Fairmount San Jose and got a discount and also setup free transportation to the campus...

----- Original Message -----
> Itamar:
> 
> I just booked travel for myself, and I found that some hotels are
> already booked that week. Travel to the valley is booming again, I
> guess.
> 
> I booked at the below hotel, which has worked well for me in the
> past:
> 
> HILTON SANTA CLARA (HILTON HOTELS)
> 4949 GREAT AMERICA PARKWAY
> SANTA CLARA CA 95054
> Phone  1-408-330-0001
> Fax 1-408-562-6736
> 
> It's only a few miles from the Cisco campus, and there is even light
> rail access down Tasman if people need that as well. But if others
> have opinions regarding the hotel, please chime in. I am not aware
> of a group discount at this hotel, but maybe if enough folks are
> registering, we could get one.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kyle
> 
> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
> 
> > Can we arrange with a hotel adjacent to the workshop for group
> > pricing (or maybe cisco already has one)?
> > 
> > would be nice if most would stay in same hotel, and reduce costs
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> >   Itamar
> > _______________________________________________
> > Project-planning mailing list
> > Project-planning at ovirt.org
> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 


From rbergero at redhat.com  Wed Sep 28 13:31:46 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 06:31:46 -0700
Subject: hotel for workshop
In-Reply-To: <6609cd42-6e98-4cac-8b3f-86b59dd25148@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <6609cd42-6e98-4cac-8b3f-86b59dd25148@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E8321C2.7060107@redhat.com>

On 09/28/2011 06:20 AM, Ayal Baron wrote:
> On the Cisco site I found: http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le21/le34/academy/2011/index.html#~costs
> For a previous event they used the Fairmount San Jose and got a discount and also setup free transportation to the campus...

The Fairmont is ~9 miles from Cisco; being right nearby, on the light 
rail, seems like it would be a better idea to me. Yes, Cisco provided 
free transportation, but it was free to attendees, and not necessarily 
free to Cisco :)  Of course, this is subject to room availability - the 
Hyatt Santa Clara seems to already be sold out/booked, as do a few 
others in the area....

> ----- Original Message -----
>> Itamar:
>>
>> I just booked travel for myself, and I found that some hotels are
>> already booked that week. Travel to the valley is booming again, I
>> guess.
>>
>> I booked at the below hotel, which has worked well for me in the
>> past:
>>
>> HILTON SANTA CLARA (HILTON HOTELS)
>> 4949 GREAT AMERICA PARKWAY
>> SANTA CLARA CA 95054
>> Phone  1-408-330-0001
>> Fax 1-408-562-6736
>>
>> It's only a few miles from the Cisco campus, and there is even light
>> rail access down Tasman if people need that as well. But if others
>> have opinions regarding the hotel, please chime in. I am not aware
>> of a group discount at this hotel, but maybe if enough folks are
>> registering, we could get one.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kyle
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>
>>> Can we arrange with a hotel adjacent to the workshop for group
>>> pricing (or maybe cisco already has one)?
>>>
>>> would be nice if most would stay in same hotel, and reduce costs
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>    Itamar
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project-planning mailing list
>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From kmestery at cisco.com  Wed Sep 28 13:40:34 2011
From: kmestery at cisco.com (kmestery)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:40:34 -0500
Subject: hotel for workshop
In-Reply-To: <4E8321C2.7060107@redhat.com>
References: <6609cd42-6e98-4cac-8b3f-86b59dd25148@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
	<4E8321C2.7060107@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <C16F9344-B450-4CC2-9472-AF22ABE433D4@cisco.com>

Robyn:

The Hilton should be free, it's right across Tasman from the Hyatt.

On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:

> On 09/28/2011 06:20 AM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>> On the Cisco site I found: http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le21/le34/academy/2011/index.html#~costs
>> For a previous event they used the Fairmount San Jose and got a discount and also setup free transportation to the campus...
> 
> The Fairmont is ~9 miles from Cisco; being right nearby, on the light rail, seems like it would be a better idea to me. Yes, Cisco provided free transportation, but it was free to attendees, and not necessarily free to Cisco :)  Of course, this is subject to room availability - the Hyatt Santa Clara seems to already be sold out/booked, as do a few others in the area....
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Itamar:
>>> 
>>> I just booked travel for myself, and I found that some hotels are
>>> already booked that week. Travel to the valley is booming again, I
>>> guess.
>>> 
>>> I booked at the below hotel, which has worked well for me in the
>>> past:
>>> 
>>> HILTON SANTA CLARA (HILTON HOTELS)
>>> 4949 GREAT AMERICA PARKWAY
>>> SANTA CLARA CA 95054
>>> Phone  1-408-330-0001
>>> Fax 1-408-562-6736
>>> 
>>> It's only a few miles from the Cisco campus, and there is even light
>>> rail access down Tasman if people need that as well. But if others
>>> have opinions regarding the hotel, please chime in. I am not aware
>>> of a group discount at this hotel, but maybe if enough folks are
>>> registering, we could get one.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kyle
>>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Can we arrange with a hotel adjacent to the workshop for group
>>>> pricing (or maybe cisco already has one)?
>>>> 
>>>> would be nice if most would stay in same hotel, and reduce costs
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>   Itamar
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Project-planning mailing list
>>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Project-planning at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Wed Sep 28 14:52:58 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:52:58 -0400
Subject: Additional govenance guideline doc
In-Reply-To: <7f111c13-0630-4ea1-9d69-49a73bbbf024@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
References: <7f111c13-0630-4ea1-9d69-49a73bbbf024@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E8334CA.7020008@redhat.com>

On 09/27/2011 05:32 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> Based on suggestions and comments on the threads around sub-project,
>> I
>> suggest we add the following guide for new projects.
>>
>> Most of the content from Anthony.
>>
>> fire away with comments... when we are happy with it, I'll post it.
>>
>> Carl.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> A Project that wants to join oVirt should follow the following basic
>> guidelines:
>>
>>
>> 1) Project posts an overview page on ovirt.org/wiki, including scope
>> and
>> short term roadmap to ovirt.org wiki. That page is then copied as a
> Although implied, I think the following info should be required explicitly - proposed method of integration (i.e. what are the points which it integrates with, how, and what is the added value to oVirt

ack,

thx
Carl.


>
>> mail
>> to board at ovirt
>>
>> 2) There is an official comment period that lasts for a period of
>> time
>> up to 3 weeks. This time period allows for questions to be enhanced,
>> and
>> the wiki to be improved. Projects can complete this stage faster,
>> however the key is provide enough time for discussion.
>>
>> 3) At any point in this time period, the proposal can be officially
>> withdrawn.
>>
>> 4) At the end of the period or once there seems to be consensus,
>> there
>> is a final call for comments before a vote takes place. If the
>> thread's
>> comments die down, then a VOTE thread can be used to move the process
>> along.
>>
>>
>> Include the following information on the overview wiki page
>>
>> Project name:
>>
>> Project description:
>>
>> Initial scope:
>>
>> Description of how the project meets the oVirt requirements
>> http://www.ovirt.org/governance/adding-a-subproject/
>> a.) Each project must agree to support the oVirt complete stack (CS)
>> release schedule
>> b.) Each project must agree to provide or integrate with one of the
>> published API?s
>>
>> Create dev list:
>>
>> Create bugzilla:
>>
>> GIT location if already open source:
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Board mailing list
>> Board at ovirt.org
>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>



From mdday at us.ibm.com  Wed Sep 28 15:29:20 2011
From: mdday at us.ibm.com (Michael D Day)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 11:29:20 -0400
Subject: Additional govenance guideline doc
In-Reply-To: <4E8334CA.7020008@redhat.com>
References: <7f111c13-0630-4ea1-9d69-49a73bbbf024@zmail07.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
	<4E8334CA.7020008@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <OF6CF48F5C.FA35FD9B-ON85257919.0055058D-85257919.0055157C@us.ibm.com>

> >> A Project that wants to join oVirt should follow the following basic
> >> guidelines:
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Project posts an overview page on ovirt.org/wiki, including scope
> >> and
> >> short term roadmap to ovirt.org wiki. That page is then copied as a
> > Although implied, I think the following info should be required
> explicitly - proposed method of integration (i.e. what are the
> points which it integrates with, how, and what is the added value to
oVirt
>
> ack,

ack

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Day
IBM Distinguished Engineer
Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development
Cell: +1 919 371-8786 | mdday at us.ibm.com
http://code.ncultra.org
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From rbergero at redhat.com  Wed Sep 28 17:23:26 2011
From: rbergero at redhat.com (Robyn Bergeron)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:23:26 -0700
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-28
Message-ID: <4E83580E.40308@redhat.com>

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes

Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 14:00 UTC (10:00am US Eastern, 07:00am   
US Pacific)

== Invitees/Attendees ==
project-planning at ovirt.org list subscribers

Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat)
Carl Trieloff (Red Hat)
Kyle Mestery (Cisco)
Ayal Baron (Red Hat)
Alex Graf (SUSE)
Kerri Catallozzi (Red Hat)
Anthony Liguori (IBM)
Andy Cathrow (Red Hat)
Perry Myers (Red Hat)
Jim Jagielski (Red Hat)
Jon Benedict (NetApp)
Frank Novak (IBM)
Karsten Wade (Red Hat)

If you do not currently have this call on your calendar and would like 
it to be, please send rbergero at redhat.com an email.

== Action Items ==
  * Kerri to put together draft press release for review next week
  * Robyn to update meeting time to one hour
  * List discussion items: Two-tier project acceptance/graduation 
proposal, Webex discussion
  * Kyle to look into the option of getting a UCS on site rather than 
Andy shipping a rack

== Project Schedule ==
  * Ongoing oVirt workshop promotion
  * oVirt Workshop - November 1, 2, 3
    * USA - CA - hosted by Cisco
      * Press release post workshop
      * Community startup at workshop
      * Schedule first community release
  * Community Infrastructure
    * Launch at workshop
    * First release - January/February.

== Call Agenda ==

0) General Updates
  * Andy has RHEV entitlements to help out those who want to get a bit 
more context
    * If anyone needs an entitlement to download RHEL + RHEV in order to 
get some experience with RHEV then please email acathrow at redhat.com
  * Agree to an hour going forward, at least in the short term, for 
phone call time.

Voting on new project
1) Board news
  * Board members are now confirmed from each strategic company. (Carl)
  * Board members voting on first few proposed projects
  * We have had 3 projects approach us. Right now - really working on 
getting through the process, going through framework of 
process/acceptance, framing discussion.
    * What are requirements for oVirt project?
    * To get a project in / join ecosystem, the bar should be reasonably 
low, so we can build community, build interaction. Not a lot of detail 
around this right now.
    * It's important for us to get traction, but not necessarily 
creating precedent that we can't ever undo. Maybe a two-stage process 
akin to Apache Incubator - as a project/code/development grows, they can 
graduate onto higher level. Lets us have low barriers, allows us to be 
more nimble as far as changing things without creating long-term precedence.
    * Take back to list.

2) Project launch status / Progress review
  * Statistics review (Carl)

3) oVirt Workshop / Summit  - Nov. 1 - 3, Cisco Main Campus, San Jose, CA.
  * http://www.ovirt.org/news-and-events/workshop/
  * Attendance updates (Robyn)
    * 54 RSVPs so far for the kick off workshop
      * Attendees not from initial group are numbering around 12 currently
      * We are still waiting for RSVPs from NetApp, IBM and more from 
Red Hat
      * Plan to leave the RSVP's open for another couple of weeks.
      * Bringing in 4-5 additional signups per day
  * Logistics planning:
    * Capacity is 45 people
    * Planning for breakout rooms
    * Evening events/activities planning
    * Food
    * Hotel arrangements
  * Press release discussion (Kerri from Red Hat joining call)
    * Next steps: Kerri to take a stab at drafting press release, get 
contacts at companies for PR; asking that folks help Kerri get in touch 
with appropriate people.
    * Target a launch for after the workshop - most likely the week 
following to make sure we get maximum pickup
    * One option is a joint release with all companies on the board , 
which Kerri would coordinate. This option is more effective in terms of 
press pickup but harder to coordinate given corporate press approval cycles
    * Another option is a Red Hat press release with supporting quotes 
from board members
  * Joint press release:
    * All tickers would be included, would lead to more 
coverage/awareness level
    * Cons - intensive scrutiny, hard to wrangle agreement sometimes.
  * Red Hat only press release
    * Easier to just get supporting quotes from member companies
    * Would lose a bit of awareness from not having tickers, etc. - not 
hitting as wide an audience
  * Thoughts:
    * Joint press release makes it a true joint effort, and not just a 
Red Hat Thing.
    * Time delay might be a problem on join press release, but think it 
is crucial to success of oVirt to get it out as a Joint Press Release.
  * To-Do's: Agreed, Kerri to put together draft joint release. Basic 
content is that we've launched the community at a F2F in California, 
examples of what we're agreeing to work on, companies + other folks. 
Very focused on workshop and results.
  * Kerri: Feel free to ask JimJag for help.

4) Infrastructure (Karsten)
  * Wiki update, movement from shared google document
  * Project-planning list archival plans
  * Project naming status

5) Other updates / Agenda topics
  * Andy is working with Corporate Comms folks to utilize our corporate 
webex account. Schedule some webex sessions/archived recordings, do some 
quick introductions to RHEV, use that going forward to have larger 
sessions as part of training/collaboration. Could be useful for 
overviews of projects, etc.
    * Should we post a schedule of topics to be done and when, and put 
it on the website?
    * Seeking volunteers for wanting to discuss things on webex.
    * Good background for folks coming to conference.
  * Hardware for workshop - Demo rack that we can ship out. If we want 
to do hands-on work, we can use it. Do we need any other hardware 
on-site for workshop?
    * Kyle will look into the option of getting a UCS on site rather 
than Andy shipping a rack


From kwade at redhat.com  Wed Sep 28 23:47:55 2011
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:47:55 -0700
Subject: archives cleaned, ready to open list
In-Reply-To: <20110927225036.GE14141@terpsichore.fairy-talefarm.com>
References: <20110927225036.GE14141@terpsichore.fairy-talefarm.com>
Message-ID: <20110928234755.GA9302@terpsichore.fairy-talefarm.com>

The list is now visible, subscription is self-service, archives are
public, and so forth.

Thanks everyone for this - it may seem a small step, but being
radically transparent really pays off when it comes to open source
projects.

- Karsten

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 03:50:36PM -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> Folks:
> 
> As per the original design for this list, we are planning to open the
> archives and subscription to the community.
> 
> Prior to doing that, I manually redacted specific company names, names
> of individuals, and the Google Docs URLs with similar information in
> them. These redacted details are related to individuals and
> organizations that did not elect to join oVirt to start. We want their
> relationship with oVirt to be revealed in a manner and time of their
> choosing, not by accident from our archives.
> 
> For any Google Docs we are using, we need to create a new document and
> copy/paste the clean information in to it to avoid the revision
> history.
> 
> I'd like to open the list and archives following the next meeting. If
> you want to check for any particular detail in the archives, please
> take the opportunity to look and let me know if you have any
> questions, something that needs changing, and so forth.
> 
> If there is no protest, I'll be opening the archives 24 hours from
> now.
> 
> Thanks - Karsten
> -- 
> name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
> team:   Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership
> uri:             http://communityleadershipteam.org
>                         http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
> gpg:                                       AD0E0C41



> _______________________________________________
> Project-planning mailing list
> Project-planning at ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning


-- 
name:  Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener
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                        http://TheOpenSourceWay.org
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From mpastern at redhat.com  Thu Sep 29 08:39:29 2011
From: mpastern at redhat.com (Michael Pasternak)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:39:29 +0300
Subject: splitting cli/sdk project
Message-ID: <4E842EC1.1010608@redhat.com>


Hi folks,

I would like to propose splitting cli/sdk projects as each of them should become a master-project for different implementations
and i guess we wouldn't want mixing different SDKs and CLIs under same project.


-- 

Michael Pasternak
RedHat, ENG-Virtualization R&D


From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Thu Sep 29 16:44:19 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:44:19 -0400
Subject: splitting cli/sdk project
In-Reply-To: <4E842EC1.1010608@redhat.com>
References: <4E842EC1.1010608@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E84A063.9030804@redhat.com>

On 09/29/2011 04:39 AM, Michael Pasternak wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I would like to propose splitting cli/sdk projects as each of them should become a master-project for different implementations
> and i guess we wouldn't want mixing different SDKs and CLIs under same project.
>
>

When Itamar and I worked the initial project list we kept them together
so that there would be more momentum around both. What I suggest is that
as we get going and the maintainer count increases around each we look
at splitting them.

What we can do is manage then as two GIT trees in anticipation of this.

Carl.


From jimjag at redhat.com  Fri Sep 30 11:15:34 2011
From: jimjag at redhat.com (Jim Jagielski)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:15:34 -0400
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-28
In-Reply-To: <4E83580E.40308@redhat.com>
References: <4E83580E.40308@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <01CC8AE4-58E7-4FAB-9C0A-C69CB06820F3@redhat.com>


On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:

> * We have had 3 projects approach us. Right now - really working on getting through the process, going through framework of process/acceptance, framing discussion.
>   * What are requirements for oVirt project?
>   * To get a project in / join ecosystem, the bar should be reasonably low, so we can build community, build interaction. Not a lot of detail around this right now.
>   * It's important for us to get traction, but not necessarily creating precedent that we can't ever undo. Maybe a two-stage process akin to Apache Incubator - as a project/code/development grows, they can graduate onto higher level. Lets us have low barriers, allows us to be more nimble as far as changing things without creating long-term precedence.
>   * Take back to list.
> 

My project acceptance/incubation guide will be moved to Gdocs
soon and once the Wiki is in place, we can migrate to there?

Should have 1st full draft by the weekend.

--
Jim Jagielski | jimjag at redhat.com | 443-324-8390 (cell)



From cctrieloff at redhat.com  Fri Sep 30 15:08:02 2011
From: cctrieloff at redhat.com (Carl Trieloff)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:08:02 -0400
Subject: oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-09-28
In-Reply-To: <01CC8AE4-58E7-4FAB-9C0A-C69CB06820F3@redhat.com>
References: <4E83580E.40308@redhat.com>
	<01CC8AE4-58E7-4FAB-9C0A-C69CB06820F3@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4E85DB52.9000001@redhat.com>

On 09/30/2011 07:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> My project acceptance/incubation guide will be moved to Gdocs
> soon and once the Wiki is in place, we can migrate to there?
>
> Should have 1st full draft by the weekend.

Great, the wiki is up,

Jim, just let me know what user id you want and I'll create you an id.

Carl.