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fre 2013-08-23 klockan 15:42 +0300 skrev Lior Vernia:
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On 23/08/13 08:51, Karli Sjöberg wrote:
<font color="#737373">> tor 2013-08-22 klockan 20:43 +0300 skrev Lior Vernia:</font>
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<font color="#737373">>> On 22/08/13 20:04, Einav Cohen wrote:</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > Hi,</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > This is about attempting to address the difficulty of finding the edit-action in </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > the Setup Host Network dialog, as documented in "Bug 984737 - usability: webadmin </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > difficulty in assigning client ip, no gateway possible" in bugzilla.</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > We have a suggestion from Eldan (see attached "HostSetupNetworks-HoverPopUp.png") </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > which was described in the BZ (comment #3) and seemed acceptable by the reporter </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > (comment #4), however IIUC - one of the main pain points described in the BZ was </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > the fact that the user could not find the option to Edit the connection properties </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > since he was looking in the wrong place, and needed to hover on the correct place, </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > in order to find that option.</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > So although the idea is somewhat helpful, my concern is that this solution is not </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > enough (comment #5).</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > Another proposal from Malini (comment #6) is to add an "actions" drop-down menu in </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > the form of a small "gear" icon-button - see attached "HostSetupNetworks-DropDownMenu.png".</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > This proposal addresses my concern, however I have a question about another concern </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > with this solution:</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > would the actions-drop-down menu-items panel be revealed appear upon click or upon </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > hover?</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > if it will be upon hover, it might seem weird/be conflicted/be somewhat confusing </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > with the hover functionality that reveals the logical-network details pop-up.</font>
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<font color="#737373">>> If this proposal is accepted (see my comments below about both</font>
<font color="#737373">>> proposals), one solution might be to get rid of the network details</font>
<font color="#737373">>> tooltip. Most people probably don't use MTU, </font>
<font color="#737373">> </font>
<font color="#737373">> Just a FYI there Lior; we do:) And when 10GbE becomes available, Jumbo</font>
<font color="#737373">> Frames is going to be required to use all that bandwidth. Otherwise you</font>
<font color="#737373">> are capped at about half(500MB/s as opposed to 1,2GB/s).</font>
And is it at all helpful to see it in the Host Setup Networks context?
It is set in the DC context when adding or editing a network, to my
understanding it doesn't have much to do with a specific host.
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No I agree, it´s not helpful at all, maybe even destructive. Why allow admins to mess around with different MTU's on different Hosts for the same network. Since MTU is set in the switches, the MTU must be the same for all Hosts on the same network, or one could
wreak all kinds of havoc. What I was saying is not to forget that, for admins, MTU is a big deal, and makes a big difference in performance, is all.<br>
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I'm guessing the main reason it's there is to give people a shot at
guessing why their network appears out-of-sync, when it's caused by the
MTU being configured differently on the host, but I don't think that
would be easy to figure out anyway.
<font color="#737373">> </font>
<font color="#737373">> /Karli</font>
<font color="#737373">> </font>
<font color="#737373">>> and the rest is just</font>
<font color="#737373">>> explaining the network role icons; so maybe not that useful.</font>
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<font color="#737373">>> > if it will be upon click, it means that in order to edit a logical network, two </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > clicks will be required in order to get to the edit dialog, as opposed to one click </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > in the current state and in Eldan's suggestion. </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > maybe having two clicks in order to get to the edit dialog is acceptable, however </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > there may be some solutions for that:</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > one possible solution would be to combine both attached suggestions, i.e. the actions </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > within the hover pop-up, as well as the actions drop-down menu, however it means that </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > there will be some redundancy of the actions availability.</font>
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<font color="#737373">>> That sounds bad to me regardless of the other alternatives.</font>
<font color="#737373">>></font>
<font color="#737373">>> > another possible solution is to keep only the gear + down-arrow icon (or maybe only </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > the down-arrow icon), without the actual drop-down menu there, just in order to indicate </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > that there are some options available in that area, and have Eldan's pop-up appear when </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > hovering on that icon (or even on the entire logical-network area, as happens today with </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > the current details pop-up)</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > thoughts?</font>
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<font color="#737373">>> I like the gear icon because it's noticeable and easily recognizable.</font>
<font color="#737373">>> However, keep in mind that bonds should also have the same icon to keep</font>
<font color="#737373">>> a consistent design. Now imagine a configuration with several bonds on</font>
<font color="#737373">>> the left-hand-side and quite a few networks on the right-hand-side; I'm</font>
<font color="#737373">>> no designer, but it could get cluttered with all those gear icons.</font>
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<font color="#737373">>> It MIGHT be preferable to use the other design (tooltip with action bar)</font>
<font color="#737373">>> and risk the odd person not easily finding it (no disrespect intended,</font>
<font color="#737373">>> Jason). I have no idea, however, if it's gonna be just the odd person or</font>
<font color="#737373">>> most people. I'd love to hear others' opinions.</font>
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<font color="#737373">>> > </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > ----</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > Regards, </font>
<font color="#737373">>> > Einav</font>
<font color="#737373">>> > </font>
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