<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I run into the same issue - I am unable to completely go into maintenance mode because this VM is still on it - it cannot be migrated because it is not managed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><img src="cid:ii_14e8249599c19d29" alt="Inline image 1" width="507" height="192"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif">***</font></div><div><b style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="2">Mark Steele</font></b><br></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">CIO / VP Technical Operations | TelVue Corporation</span></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:x-small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">TelVue - We Share Your Vision</span></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:x-small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">800.885.8886 x128 | <a href="mailto:msteele@telvue.com" target="_blank">msteele@telvue.com</a> | </span><a href="http://www.telvue.com/" style="font-size:x-small" target="_blank">http://www.telvue.com</a></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:x-small">twitter: </span><a href="http://twitter.com/telvue" style="font-size:x-small" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/telvue</a><span style="font-size:x-small"> | facebook: </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/telvue" style="font-size:x-small" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/telvue</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Roy Golan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rgolan@redhat.com" target="_blank">rgolan@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>On 07/12/2015 03:12 PM, Mark Steele
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I
          think I may have found the problem:</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default">[root@ovirt-01 pki]# ls -lah</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">total 48K</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x.  10 root  root  4.0K
            Nov 14  2014 .</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x. 118 root  root   12K
            Jul 12 03:35 ..</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x.   6 root  root  4.0K
            Nov 14  2014 CA</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x.   4 root  root  4.0K
            Nov 14  2014 ca-trust</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x.   2 root  root  4.0K
            Nov 14  2014 java</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x.   2 root  root  4.0K
            Jul 12 07:03 nssdb</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x.   6 ovirt ovirt 4.0K
            Nov 19  2014 ovirt-engine</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x.   2 root  root  4.0K
            Nov 14  2014 rpm-gpg</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwx------.   2 root  root  4.0K
            Nov 22  2013 rsyslog</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">drwxr-xr-x.   5 root  root  4.0K
            Nov 14  2014 tls</div>
          <div class="gmail_default">[root@ovirt-01 pki]# </div>
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          <div class="gmail_default">There is no vsdm directory under
            /etc/pki</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default">This is an ovirt node. Version of
            software is 3.5.0.1-1.el6 from the ovirt management console.</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default">I&#39;d like to add that I am not the
            person who originally installed this instance - and am not
            entirely familiar with how it is setup and installed - so I
            may ask ignorant questions from time to time.</div>
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    not urgent but at this point it looks like it would be good to
    reinstall this host from the webadmin. if you have the capacity,<br>
    you can put the host to maintenance, that will migrate vms to other
    hosts, and then choose &quot;reinstall&quot; once its in &quot;maintenance&#39;<div><div class="h5"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Roy
          Golan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rgolan@redhat.com" target="_blank">rgolan@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                <div>On 07/12/2015 02:07 PM, Mark Steele wrote:<br>
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                      you Roy,</div>
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                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I
                      installed the client but am getting a permissions
                      error when I run it</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_default">[root@ovirt-01 ~]#
                        vdsClient -s 0 list</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">Traceback (most recent
                        call last):</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">  File
                        &quot;/usr/share/vdsm/vdsClient.py&quot;, line 2678, in
                        &lt;module&gt;</div>
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                        serv.do_connect(hostPort)</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">  File
                        &quot;/usr/share/vdsm/vdsClient.py&quot;, line 136, in
                        do_connect</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">    self.s =
                        vdscli.connect(hostPort, self.useSSL,
                        self.truststore)</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">  File
                        &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/vdsm/vdscli.py&quot;,
                        line 110, in connect</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">    raise Exception(&quot;No
                        permission to read file: %s&quot; % f)</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">Exception: No
                        permission to read file:
                        /etc/pki/vdsm/keys/vdsmkey.pem</div>
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              </span> This should work. something isn&#39;t right with your
              setup<br>
              is your host an ovirt-node? could be that you hit [1] .
              let me know what version are you running. <br>
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              please try the same with user vdsm. it should have
              permissions to /etc/pki/vdsm<br>
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              [1]  <a href="https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/27779/" target="_blank">https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/27779/</a><span><br>
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                      <div class="gmail_default">If I restart vdsm, will
                        that cause any issues with running VM&#39;s on this
                        ovirt installation? This is our production
                        environment.</div>
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              </span> Generatlly the answer is no but lets avoid it if 
              we can for this is a minor cosmetic issue I guess. <br>
              <br>
              just as FYI - vdsm only reconnects to the socket exposed
              by libvirt to control the vm lifecycle. VDSM doesn&#39;t
              manadate the lifecycle of a VM unless the engine tells is
              so. Storage wise there could be some operations but i&#39;m
              almost sure they must not have effect on running VMs. <br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at
                        4:09 AM, Roy Golan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rgolan@redhat.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:rgolan@redhat.com" target="_blank">rgolan@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                              <div>On 07/09/2015 06:34 PM, Mark Steele
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                                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Yes,</div>
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                                  <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It


                                    is displayed in the engine:</div>
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                            </span> the vdsm on that host reports it
                            back to the engine . since this vm isn&#39;t in
                            the engine DB it is concidered as EXTERNAL
                            (thus the error 400 from the API)<br>
                            <br>
                            do yo know if the qemu-kvm proccess isn&#39;t
                            running anymore? <br>
                            <br>
                            if the process isn&#39;t running then vdsm must
                            clean its cache<br>
                            <br>
                            try to:<br>
                            <br>
                            yum install vdsm-cli<br>
                            vdsClient -s 0 list<br>
                            vdsClient -s 0 destroy {vmId}<br>
                            <br>
                            alternativly a vdsm restart will work (if
                            the qemu proccess isn&#39;t running)
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                                      VM is not really running - the IP
                                      addresses that are being reported
                                      are from another VM that was
                                      recently removed. All attempts to
                                      control the VM have failed. It
                                      does not have any NICS or disk
                                      associated with it - so this seems
                                      to be a ghost in the machine. I
                                      attempted to unlock it using the
                                      unlock_entity.sh script - it
                                      reports successful, however I
                                      still cannot do anything with the
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul
                                      9, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Artyom
                                      Lukianov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alukiano@redhat.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:alukiano@redhat.com" target="_blank">alukiano@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Can you
                                        sea via engine, on what host run
                                        VM?<br>
                                        Anyway if you have really run VM
                                        on host you can try to figure it
                                        with &#39;ps aux | grep qemu&#39;, if it
                                        will return you some process,
                                        you can just kill process via
                                        &#39;kill pid&#39;.<br>
                                        I hope it will help you.<br>
                                        <span><br>
                                          ----- Original Message -----<br>
                                          From: &quot;Mark Steele&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:msteele@telvue.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:msteele@telvue.com" target="_blank">msteele@telvue.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                        </span><span>To: &quot;Artyom
                                          Lukianov&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alukiano@redhat.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:alukiano@redhat.com" target="_blank">alukiano@redhat.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                          Cc: <a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users@ovirt.org</a><br>
                                          Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015
                                          5:42:20 PM<br>
                                          Subject: Re: [ovirt-users]
                                          This VM is not managed by the
                                          engine<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Artyom,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Thank you - I don&#39;t have
                                          vdsClient installed - can you
                                          point me to the<br>
                                          download?<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          ***<br>
                                        </span>*Mark Steele*<br>
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                                            Vision<br>
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                                            On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:11
                                            AM, Artyom Lukianov &lt;<a href="mailto:alukiano@redhat.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:alukiano@redhat.com" target="_blank">alukiano@redhat.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            <br>
                                            &gt; Please check host where
                                            VM run(vdsClient -s 0 list
                                            table), and you can<br>
                                            &gt; destroy it via
                                            vdsClient(vdsClient -s 0
                                            destroy vm_id).<br>
                                            &gt; Thanks<br>
                                            &gt;<br>
                                            &gt; ----- Original Message
                                            -----<br>
                                            &gt; From: &quot;Mark Steele&quot;
                                            &lt;<a href="mailto:msteele@telvue.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:msteele@telvue.com" target="_blank">msteele@telvue.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                            &gt; To: <a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users@ovirt.org</a><br>
                                            &gt; Sent: Thursday, July 9,
                                            2015 4:38:32 PM<br>
                                            &gt; Subject: [ovirt-users]
                                            This VM is not managed by
                                            the engine<br>
                                            &gt;<br>
                                            &gt; I have a VM that was
                                            not started and is now
                                            showing as running. When I<br>
                                            &gt; attempt to suspend or
                                            stop it in the ovirt-shell,
                                            I get the message:<br>
                                            &gt;<br>
                                            &gt; status: 400<br>
                                            &gt; reason: bad request<br>
                                            &gt; detail: Cannot
                                            hibernate VM. This VM is not
                                            managed by the engine.<br>
                                            &gt;<br>
                                            &gt; Not sure how the VM was
                                            initially created on the
                                            ovirt manager. This VM is<br>
                                            &gt; not needed - how can I
                                            &#39;shutdown&#39; and remove this
                                            VM?<br>
                                            &gt;<br>
                                            &gt; Thanks<br>
                                            &gt;<br>
                                            &gt; ***<br>
                                            &gt; Mark Steele<br>
                                            &gt; CIO / VP Technical
                                            Operations | TelVue
                                            Corporation<br>
                                            &gt; TelVue - We Share Your
                                            Vision<br>
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