<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The docs do suck but I would challenge you to submit a pull request. It’s a pain if you haven’t done github forks and pull requests. However, if you do this and it doesn’t get merged, you have every right to complain and I’ll be behind you 100%. I’ve been in your shoes and just recently started helping in little bits on some projects.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you can fork the documents, change them to include your notes, I’d be happy to hand hold or explain how to do the pull request (think merging your changes back). you can even email me direct if needed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tom Gamull</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 4, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Brett I. Holcomb <<a href="mailto:biholcomb@l1049h.com" class="">biholcomb@l1049h.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Yeah, its frustrating for sure as I spent a lot of wasted time
trying to figure out what applied, what didn't, what was out of
date and a lot of what did apply assumed I already knew parts I
needed. I came from VMware and Hyper-V worlds and really like
oVirt and what it's doing but the documentation can be frustrating
for sure. Unfortunately, that seems to be the way of a lot of
OpenSource and along with that very few people like to do
documentation and when they do it's from the perspective of
someone who already knows the answers so it really doesn't help a
brand new person who has no clue. I had to do several hosted
engine installs before I got it working (the stupid installer
can't recover from an error so it makes you start over) on 3.6
(thanks be to VMware Workstation that let me start over
<G>). I took a lot of notes and when I get time I'll post
them. I know some will say we should contribute to the docs but I
know I already have a full schedule with work and family and can't
do anymore.</p><p class="">I've found this mailing list is the best source of information
and sometimes they can link to sources we haven't found. The
people in this group are really knowledgeable and helpful so until
the do get updated docs ask here.</p>
On 09/04/2016 04:14 PM, zero four wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class=""><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">As a prospective
user of oVirt I have noticed quite a lot of glaring problems
with the documentation, is it still being maintained? Since
outdated or incomplete documentation is often worse than
nothing, a possible solution would be to just link to the
official Red Hat Virtualization documentation.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">Here are some
examples I found after looking for less than 5 minutes:</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">1. </p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/">http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/</a></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">The top of this
web page has two videos from 2012. The left one "oVirt Open
Virtualization Basics -- Single Machine Install" is a guide
for the all in one install. This is misleading as it no
longer possible to perform an all in one install since 3.6,
and in general it would appear the oVirt project does not
support deploying oVirt to a single machine. The right video
is a guide on creating VMs using the GUI from 2012 which has
since changed.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">Overall both
videos should be removed from the Documentation page as they
only confuse and mislead new users. I, and I am sure many
other users would greatly appreciate more current video
guides.<br class="">
</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">2.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/how-to/hosted-engine/#fresh-install" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/how-to/hosted-engine/#fresh-install">https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/how-to/hosted-engine/#fresh-install</a></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">Under the notes
for this there is the following passage:</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class=""><span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>“Although
hosted-engine and engine-setup use different wording for the
admin password <span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>("'admin@internal'
user password" vs "Engine admin password"), they are asking
for the same <span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>thing.
If you enter different passwords, the hosted-engine setup will
fail.”</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">Why is the wording
different? This appears to be entirely unnecessary, and also
confusing as to why it is asking for the password a second
time at all.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">3.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/how-to/hosted-engine/#fresh-install" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/how-to/hosted-engine/#fresh-install">https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/how-to/hosted-engine/#fresh-install</a></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">After finishing
the hosted engine deployment script the guide states:</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class=""><span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>“After
completing the OS installation on the VM, return to the host
and continue. The installer <span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>on
the host will sync with the VM and ask for the <span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>engine
to be installed on the new VM:”</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">It is unclear how
you are expected to access the VM, is the Web UI up at this
point? Do you need to use virsh to connect to the VM? The
guide should be explicit.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">4.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/quickstart/quickstart-guide/#prerequisites" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/quickstart/quickstart-guide/#prerequisites">https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/quickstart/quickstart-guide/#prerequisites</a></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class=""> I. The
documentation discusses Fedora 19, Fedora is currently on
version 24 and 19 is EOL.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">II. Under “Storage
and Networking” there is no mention that oVirt requires at
least 3 GlusterFS bricks to achieve quorum.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" class="">III. Under
“Virtual Machines” there is no mention of Windows 10, Fedora
past version 20, or RHEL/CentOS 7.X.</p>
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