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<p>Hey,</p>
<p>I don't wont to break into your discussion, but I also never
heard about virt-sparsfiy and the sparse option for dd.</p>
<p>I tested it and it works like a charm. I converted a block device
65GB with dd sparse to 40GB raw image and afterwards I used
virsh-sparsify to reduce the size down to 6.8GB into a qcow2 image
file. <br>
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<p>Thanks a lot for that hint.</p>
<p>Kai<br>
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<div class='moz-cite-prefix'>Am 27.09.2016 um 15:17 schrieb Sven
Achtelik:<br>
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<p class='MsoNormal'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US' lang='EN-US'>No, I never came across this approach. I didn’t
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<p class='MsoNormal'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US' lang='EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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Yaniv Dary [<a class='moz-txt-link-freetext' href='mailto:ydary@redhat.com'>mailto:ydary@redhat.com</a>] <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. September 2016 15:10<br>
<b>An:</b> Sven Achtelik <a class='moz-txt-link-rfc2396E' href='mailto:Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us'><Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Maton, Brett <a class='moz-txt-link-rfc2396E' href='mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk'><matonb@ltresources.co.uk></a>;
<a class='moz-txt-link-abbreviated' href='mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru'>vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</a>; Ovirt Users
<a class='moz-txt-link-rfc2396E' href='mailto:users@ovirt.org'><users@ovirt.org></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] VM incremental backup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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- In backup use '<span class='gmail-il'>dd</span>' with
'conv=sparse' (or similar tool that allows sparse).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class='MsoNormal'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Courier
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reduce the size to the real used size prior to
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use virt-sparsify anyways after backup to make the
file even smaller.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Yaniv Dary<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Technical Product Manager<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Red Hat Israel Ltd.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>34 Jerusalem Road<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Building A, 4th floor<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Ra'anana, Israel 4350109<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Tel : +972 (9) 7692306<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> 8272306<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Email: <a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:ydary@redhat.com' target='_blank'>ydary@redhat.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>IRC : ydary</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class='MsoNormal'>On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Sven
Achtelik <<a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us' target='_blank'>Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us</a>>
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<p class='MsoNormal' style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi
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<p class='MsoNormal' style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class='MsoNormal' style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D' lang='EN-US'>how can this be done with DD ? Since
it doesn’t know if the block is free space ? I’ve
been looking for such a solution for a long time
now. Everything I could find out was that I have
to use a utility that understands the FS and
therefore knows where the free space is. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org' target='_blank'>users-bounces@ovirt.org</a>] <b>Im
Auftrag von </b>Yaniv Dary<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif' lang='EN-US'>September 2016 14:38<br>
<b>An:</b> Maton, Brett <</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk' target='_blank'><span lang='EN-US'>matonb@ltresources.co.uk</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif' lang='EN-US'>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru'><span lang='EN-US'>vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif' lang='EN-US'>; Ovirt Users <</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:users@ovirt.org' target='_blank'><span lang='EN-US'>users@ovirt.org</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif' lang='EN-US'>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] VM incremental
backup</span><span lang='EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class='MsoNormal' style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Full
VM disk backup. If you use dd you can drop the
0 parts of the disk. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Yaniv Dary</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Technical Product Manager</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Red Hat Israel Ltd.</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>34 Jerusalem Road</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Building A, 4th floor</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Ra'anana, Israel 4350109</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Tel : <a moz-do-not-send='true' href='tel:%2B972%20%289%29%207692306' target='_blank'>+972 (9) 7692306</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> 8272306</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Email: <a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:ydary@redhat.com' target='_blank'>ydary@redhat.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>IRC : ydary</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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15:27 GMT+03:00 Maton, Brett <<a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk' target='_blank'>matonb@ltresources.co.uk</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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there a preferred or recommended backup
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10:30 GMT+01:00 <a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru' target='_blank'>vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send='true' href='mailto:vasily.lamykin@megafon.ru' target='_blank'>vasily.lamykin@megafon.ru</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class='MsoNormal' style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang='EN-US'>Hello!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class='MsoNormal' style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang='EN-US'>I would like
to understand the
existence of the
possibility of incremental
VM backups.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class='MsoNormal' style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang='EN-US'>And if it is,
the means by which it is
achieved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class='MsoNormal' style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang='EN-US'>While I was
only able to achieve a
complete backup of the
virtual machine (but it is
a very large amount of
information and time) by
cloning a snapshot of the
VM and export to data
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