<p dir="ltr">The sparse files are special files(please checkout the wiki pages) to conserve some diskspace and copy time.<br>
The rsync --sparce does not take an advantage of it. It is trying to checksum whole virtual diskspace which is obviously zero filled.<br>
If you &quot;cp&quot; file then &quot;cp&quot; will try to autodetect it otherwise your file willbe converted to regular file. You can also copy files with &quot;tar -S &quot;.<br>
To check the size of actual vs virtual(sparse) you can use: <br>
df -bsh filename vs  df -sh <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 06.10.2016 11:34 vorm. schrieb &quot;Nathanaël Blanchet&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:blanchet@abes.fr">blanchet@abes.fr</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Hi all,</p>
    <p>I didn&#39;t know this tool, after testing the original 40GB image
      size is reduced as expected to 2,9GB with du -sh, but transfer
      between servers continue to act as a 40GB image. <br>
    </p>
    <p>So if I understand virt-sparsify reduces the effective space on
      the local disk, but the disk is seen with its original size by
      other systems, and there is no advantage in transferring the image
      from one server to an other.</p>
    <p>Please tell me if I&#39;m wrong.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="m_5071532361983376821moz-cite-prefix">Le 29/09/2016 à 15:10, Kai Wagner a
      écrit :<br>
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      <p>Hey,</p>
      <p>I don&#39;t wont to break into your discussion, but I also never
        heard about virt-sparsfiy and the sparse option for dd.</p>
      <p>I tested it and it works like a charm. I converted a block
        device 65GB with dd sparse to 40GB raw image and afterwards I
        used virsh-sparsify to reduce the size down to 6.8GB into a
        qcow2 image file. <br>
      </p>
      <p>Thanks a lot for that hint.</p>
      <p>Kai<br>
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      <div class="m_5071532361983376821moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2016 um 15:17 schrieb Sven
        Achtelik:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">No, I never came across this approach. I
              didn’t know about virt-sparsify. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">I’ll look into that and give it a try. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">
              Yaniv Dary [<a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">mailto:ydary@redhat.com</a>]
              <br>
              <b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. September 2016 15:10<br>
              <b>An:</b> Sven Achtelik <a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us" target="_blank">&lt;Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Maton, Brett <a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk" target="_blank">&lt;matonb@ltresources.co.uk&gt;</a>;
              <a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru" target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</a>;
              Ovirt Users <a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank">&lt;users@ovirt.org&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] VM incremental backup<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>As I see it you have two options:<br>
                  - In backup use &#39;<span class="m_5071532361983376821gmail-il">dd</span>&#39;
                  with &#39;conv=sparse&#39; (or similar tool that
                  allows sparse).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>- After backup use virt-sparsify [1] to
                    reduce the size to the real used size prior to
                    restore.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>To make this extra efficient you can
                      use virt-sparsify anyways after backup to make the
                      file even smaller.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Have you considered this approach?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>[1] <a href="http://libguestfs.org/virt-sparsify.1.html" target="_blank">http://libguestfs.org/<wbr>virt-sparsify.1.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Yaniv Dary<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Technical Product Manager<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Red Hat Israel Ltd.<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">34 Jerusalem Road<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Building A, 4th floor<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Ra&#39;anana, Israel 4350109<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Tel : <a href="tel:%2B972%20%289%29%207692306" value="+97297692306" target="_blank">+972 (9) 7692306</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">        8272306<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Email: <a href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">ydary@redhat.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
                      <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">IRC : ydary</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Sven
                Achtelik &lt;<a href="mailto:Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us" target="_blank">Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us</a>&gt;
                wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi
                        Yaniv, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">how can this be done with DD ?
                        Since it doesn’t know if the block is free space
                        ? I’ve been looking for such a solution for a
                        long time now. Everything I could find out was
                        that I have to use a utility that understands
                        the FS and therefore knows where the free space
                        is.  </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Thank you, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Sven</span><a name="m_5071532361983376821_m_-6373295545161251140__MailEndCompose"></a><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users-bounces@ovirt.org</a>
                        [mailto:<a href="mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users-bounces@ovirt.<wbr>org</a>] <b>Im
                          Auftrag von </b>Yaniv Dary<br>
                        <b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">September 2016 14:38<br>
                        <b>An:</b> Maton, Brett &lt;</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">matonb@ltresources.co.uk</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">&gt;<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">; Ovirt Users &lt;</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">users@ovirt.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">&gt;<br>
                        <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] VM incremental
                        backup</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Full
                            VM disk backup. If you use dd you can drop
                            the 0 parts of the disk. <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Yaniv Dary</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Technical Product Manager</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Red Hat Israel Ltd.</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">34 Jerusalem Road</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Building A, 4th floor</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Ra&#39;anana, Israel 4350109</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Tel : <a href="tel:%2B972%20%289%29%207692306" target="_blank">+972 (9) 7692306</a></span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">        8272306</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Email: <a href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">ydary@redhat.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></pre>
                                    <pre><span style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">IRC : ydary</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">2016-09-27
                              15:27 GMT+03:00 Maton, Brett &lt;<a href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk" target="_blank">matonb@ltresources.co.uk</a>&gt;:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Is
                                  there a preferred or recommended
                                  backup method in the meantime ?<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">2016-09-22
                                        10:30 GMT+01:00 <a href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru" target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</a>
                                        &lt;<a href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@megafon.ru" target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@megafon.ru</a>&gt;:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would
                                                like to understand the
                                                existence of the
                                                possibility of
                                                incremental VM backups.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">And if it
                                                is, the means by which
                                                it is achieved.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">While I was
                                                only able to achieve a
                                                complete backup of the
                                                virtual machine (but it
                                                is a very large amount
                                                of information and time)
                                                by cloning a snapshot of
                                                the VM and export to
                                                data domain.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1f497d" lang="RU">Ламыкин
                                                  Василий</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f4e79;background:white" lang="RU">Старший инженер по
                                                эксплуатации сервисных
                                                платформ</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f4e79;background:white" lang="RU">Столичный ф-ал ПАО
                                                &quot;МегаФон</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d" lang="RU"><a href="tel:%2B7%20%28926%29%20500-3308" target="_blank">+7 (926) 500-3308</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                                                  РУС B2C" height="54" width="285" border="0"></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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