<p dir="ltr">The sparse files are special files(please checkout the wiki pages) to conserve some diskspace and copy time.<br>
The rsync --sparce does not take an advantage of it. It is trying to checksum whole virtual diskspace which is obviously zero filled.<br>
If you "cp" file then "cp" will try to autodetect it otherwise your file willbe converted to regular file. You can also copy files with "tar -S ".<br>
To check the size of actual vs virtual(sparse) you can use: <br>
df -bsh filename vs df -sh <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 06.10.2016 11:34 vorm. schrieb "Nathanaël Blanchet" <<a href="mailto:blanchet@abes.fr">blanchet@abes.fr</a>>:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I didn't know this tool, after testing the original 40GB image
size is reduced as expected to 2,9GB with du -sh, but transfer
between servers continue to act as a 40GB image. <br>
</p>
<p>So if I understand virt-sparsify reduces the effective space on
the local disk, but the disk is seen with its original size by
other systems, and there is no advantage in transferring the image
from one server to an other.</p>
<p>Please tell me if I'm wrong.<br>
</p>
<div class="m_5071532361983376821moz-cite-prefix">Le 29/09/2016 à 15:10, Kai Wagner a
écrit :<br>
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<p>Hey,</p>
<p>I don't wont to break into your discussion, but I also never
heard about virt-sparsfiy and the sparse option for dd.</p>
<p>I tested it and it works like a charm. I converted a block
device 65GB with dd sparse to 40GB raw image and afterwards I
used virsh-sparsify to reduce the size down to 6.8GB into a
qcow2 image file. <br>
</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for that hint.</p>
<p>Kai<br>
</p>
<div class="m_5071532361983376821moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.09.2016 um 15:17 schrieb Sven
Achtelik:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">No, I never came across this approach. I
didn’t know about virt-sparsify. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">I’ll look into that and give it a try. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Yaniv Dary [<a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">mailto:ydary@redhat.com</a>]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. September 2016 15:10<br>
<b>An:</b> Sven Achtelik <a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us" target="_blank"><Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Maton, Brett <a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk" target="_blank"><matonb@ltresources.co.uk></a>;
<a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru" target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</a>;
Ovirt Users <a class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank"><users@ovirt.org></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] VM incremental backup<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>As I see it you have two options:<br>
- In backup use '<span class="m_5071532361983376821gmail-il">dd</span>'
with 'conv=sparse' (or similar tool that
allows sparse).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>- After backup use virt-sparsify [1] to
reduce the size to the real used size prior to
restore.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>To make this extra efficient you can
use virt-sparsify anyways after backup to make the
file even smaller.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Have you considered this approach?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>[1] <a href="http://libguestfs.org/virt-sparsify.1.html" target="_blank">http://libguestfs.org/<wbr>virt-sparsify.1.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><u></u></p>
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<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yaniv Dary<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Technical Product Manager<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Red Hat Israel Ltd.<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">34 Jerusalem Road<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Building A, 4th floor<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ra'anana, Israel 4350109<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Tel : <a href="tel:%2B972%20%289%29%207692306" value="+97297692306" target="_blank">+972 (9) 7692306</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 8272306<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Email: <a href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">ydary@redhat.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IRC : ydary</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Sven
Achtelik <<a href="mailto:Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us" target="_blank">Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi
Yaniv, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">how can this be done with DD ?
Since it doesn’t know if the block is free space
? I’ve been looking for such a solution for a
long time now. Everything I could find out was
that I have to use a utility that understands
the FS and therefore knows where the free space
is. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Thank you, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Sven</span><a name="m_5071532361983376821_m_-6373295545161251140__MailEndCompose"></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users-bounces@ovirt.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users-bounces@ovirt.<wbr>org</a>] <b>Im
Auftrag von </b>Yaniv Dary<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">September 2016 14:38<br>
<b>An:</b> Maton, Brett <</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">matonb@ltresources.co.uk</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">; Ovirt Users <</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">users@ovirt.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] VM incremental
backup</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Full
VM disk backup. If you use dd you can drop
the 0 parts of the disk. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<u></u><u></u></p>
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<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yaniv Dary</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Technical Product Manager</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Red Hat Israel Ltd.</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">34 Jerusalem Road</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Building A, 4th floor</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ra'anana, Israel 4350109</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Tel : <a href="tel:%2B972%20%289%29%207692306" target="_blank">+972 (9) 7692306</a></span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 8272306</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Email: <a href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">ydary@redhat.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IRC : ydary</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016-09-27
15:27 GMT+03:00 Maton, Brett <<a href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk" target="_blank">matonb@ltresources.co.uk</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is
there a preferred or recommended
backup method in the meantime ?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016-09-22
10:30 GMT+01:00 <a href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru" target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</a>
<<a href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@megafon.ru" target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@megafon.ru</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would
like to understand the
existence of the
possibility of
incremental VM backups.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">And if it
is, the means by which
it is achieved.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">While I was
only able to achieve a
complete backup of the
virtual machine (but it
is a very large amount
of information and time)
by cloning a snapshot of
the VM and export to
data domain.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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