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<p>Hi, <br>
</p>
<p>After testing many ways to transfer sparse file between servers
(in local cp is enough), here is the only way wich is time
efficient:</p>
<p>Source side<br>
</p>
<p># tar cSf - /var/lib/libvirt/images/acore_thin.img | nc -l 5000</p>
<p>Destination side<br>
</p>
<p># nc 10.34.100.128 5000 | pv -btr | tar xSf -<br>
3,54GB 0:02:19 [ 26MB/s] <br>
</p>
<p># ls -lsh /var/lib/libvirt/images/acore_thin.img</p>
<p>3,8G -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 40G 6 oct. 12:43
/var/lib/libvirt/images/acore_thin.img</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/10/2016 à 08:50, Arman Khalatyan
a écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CAAqDm6ZE30LizVYxO7LA4mUo41=54dW_6A_mSDWE+aCLB3o47Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">The sparse files are special files(please checkout
the wiki pages) to conserve some diskspace and copy time.<br>
The rsync --sparce does not take an advantage of it. It is
trying to checksum whole virtual diskspace which is obviously
zero filled.<br>
If you "cp" file then "cp" will try to autodetect it otherwise
your file willbe converted to regular file. You can also copy
files with "tar -S ".<br>
To check the size of actual vs virtual(sparse) you can use: <br>
df -bsh filename vs df -sh <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Am 06.10.2016 11:34 vorm. schrieb
"Nathanaël Blanchet" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:blanchet@abes.fr">blanchet@abes.fr</a>>:<br
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I didn't know this tool, after testing the original
40GB image size is reduced as expected to 2,9GB with du
-sh, but transfer between servers continue to act as a
40GB image. <br>
</p>
<p>So if I understand virt-sparsify reduces the effective
space on the local disk, but the disk is seen with its
original size by other systems, and there is no
advantage in transferring the image from one server to
an other.</p>
<p>Please tell me if I'm wrong.<br>
</p>
<div class="m_5071532361983376821moz-cite-prefix">Le
29/09/2016 à 15:10, Kai Wagner a écrit :<br>
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<p>Hey,</p>
<p>I don't wont to break into your discussion, but I
also never heard about virt-sparsfiy and the sparse
option for dd.</p>
<p>I tested it and it works like a charm. I converted a
block device 65GB with dd sparse to 40GB raw image and
afterwards I used virsh-sparsify to reduce the size
down to 6.8GB into a qcow2 image file. <br>
</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for that hint.</p>
<p>Kai<br>
</p>
<div class="m_5071532361983376821moz-cite-prefix">Am
27.09.2016 um 15:17 schrieb Sven Achtelik:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">No, I never came across this
approach. I didn’t know about virt-sparsify. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">I’ll look into that and give it a
try. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span
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Yaniv Dary [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">mailto:ydary@redhat.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. September 2016
15:10<br>
<b>An:</b> Sven Achtelik <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us"
target="_blank"><Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Maton, Brett <a
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class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk"
target="_blank"><matonb@ltresources.co.uk></a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru"
target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</a>;
Ovirt Users <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_5071532361983376821moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank"><users@ovirt.org></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] VM incremental
backup</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>As I see it you have
two options:<br>
- In backup use '<span
class="m_5071532361983376821gmail-il">dd</span>'
with 'conv=sparse' (or similar tool that
allows sparse).</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>- After backup use
virt-sparsify [1] to reduce the size to
the real used size prior to restore.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>To make this
extra efficient you can
use virt-sparsify anyways after backup
to make the file even smaller.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Have you
considered this approach?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>[1] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://libguestfs.org/virt-sparsify.1.html"
target="_blank">http://libguestfs.org/<wbr>virt-sparsify.1.html</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yaniv Dary</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Technical Product Manager</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Red Hat Israel Ltd.</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">34 Jerusalem Road</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Building A, 4th floor</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ra'anana, Israel 4350109</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Tel : <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B972%20%289%29%207692306" value="+97297692306" target="_blank">+972 (9) 7692306</a></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 8272306</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">ydary@redhat.com</a></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IRC : ydary</span></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at
4:01 PM, Sven Achtelik <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us"
target="_blank">Sven.Achtelik@mailpool.us</a>>
wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi
Yaniv, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">how can this be done with
DD ? Since it doesn’t know if the
block is free space ? I’ve been
looking for such a solution for a long
time now. Everything I could find out
was that I have to use a utility that
understands the FS and therefore knows
where the free space is. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Thank you, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Sven</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
name="m_5071532361983376821_m_-6373295545161251140__MailEndCompose"></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org"
target="_blank">users-bounces@ovirt.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org"
target="_blank">users-bounces@ovirt.<wbr>org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Yaniv Dary<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">September 2016 14:38<br>
<b>An:</b> Maton, Brett <</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">matonb@ltresources.co.uk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">; Ovirt Users <</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:users@ovirt.org"
target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">users@ovirt.org</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] VM
incremental backup</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Full VM disk
backup. If you use dd you can drop
the 0 parts of the disk. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
</p>
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<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yaniv Dary</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Technical Product Manager</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Red Hat Israel Ltd.</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">34 Jerusalem Road</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Building A, 4th floor</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ra'anana, Israel 4350109</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Tel : <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B972%20%289%29%207692306" target="_blank">+972 (9) 7692306</a></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> 8272306</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ydary@redhat.com" target="_blank">ydary@redhat.com</a></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">IRC : ydary</span></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016-09-27
15:27 GMT+03:00 Maton, Brett
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:matonb@ltresources.co.uk"
target="_blank">matonb@ltresources.co.uk</a>>:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there
a preferred or recommended
backup method in the
meantime ?</p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2016-09-22
10:30 GMT+01:00 <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru" target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@MegaFon.ru</a>
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vasily.lamykin@megafon.ru" target="_blank">vasily.lamykin@megafon.ru</a>>:</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Hello!</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">I
would like to
understand the
existence of
the
possibility of
incremental VM
backups.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">And
if it is, the
means by which
it is
achieved.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">While
I was only
able to
achieve a
complete
backup of the
virtual
machine (but
it is a very
large amount
of information
and time) by
cloning a
snapshot of
the VM and
export to data
domain.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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