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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Personally I don’t think ansible and ovirt-shell are mutually exclusive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Those who are in ansible and devops realms are not really scared by making python/ansible work with ovirt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From what I gather, playbooks are quite a de-facto pre-requisite to build up a real SaaC “Software as a Code” environment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">On the other hand, ovirt-shell can and is a fast/easy way to perform “normal daily tasks”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">As long as we have good documentation about how to do things, can we have and support both?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Andrea<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> users-bounces@ovirt.org [mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathanaël Blanchet<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 3, 2017 7:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dan Yasny <dyasny@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> users <users@ovirt.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] Request for oVirt Ansible modules testing feedback<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 30/12/2016 à 20:53, Dan Yasny a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I personally found that she'll isn't as useful as the python sdk. I usually open up ipython, load the sdk and interact with ovirt directly. This is faster and much more powerful than the shell could ever be.
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<p class="MsoNormal">okay, I suppose you to be a regular python user. Can you imagine how much time I spent just to understand how it works?
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That is to say:<o:p></o:p></p>
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installing pip and not pip3 because provided python-ovirt-engine-sdk4 is default installed to /usr/lib64/python2.7,
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
installing ipython, <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
importing the good modules, <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
finding pertinent examples, <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
understand differences between sdk3 and 4 <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
correcting some wrong examples<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
adapting example to my need?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">I can't see how it can be fast for the newbie.<br>
What's the first goal of a CLI? to abstract all this stuff for the python newbie. If you want a easy-to-use webadmin for attracting a large public, you should provide easy-to-use CLI as well. Ovirt-shell was a part of my choice to use ovirt.<br>
Yes we can learn to use SDK (I dit it), but I don't think a lot people who chose ovirt for simplicity wll use it except advanced users.<br>
A new time, thank you for the great stuff for the great oVirt project, but I find there is too much distance between devs and users.<br>
What do really think the community about this?<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 30, 2016 11:22 AM, "Nathanaël Blanchet" <<a href="mailto:blanchet@abes.fr">blanchet@abes.fr</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Interesting work and thank you for this stuff. I played with some modules (ovirt_vms_facts) to get some vms name for example.<o:p></o:p></p>
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[root@acore ovirt]# ansible-playbook All_Vms_list.yml <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
with <br>
- name: List vms<br>
ovirt_vms_facts:<br>
auth: "{{ ovirt_auth }}"<br>
pattern: name=test_cloud<br>
fetch_nested: true<br>
nested_attributes: name<br>
register: ovirt_vms<br>
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- shell: echo "{{ <a href="http://ovirt_vms.name" target="_blank">ovirt_vms.name</a> }} > vms_name" // doesn't work<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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- shell: echo "{{ ovirt_vms }} > vms_name // returns an unicode json file, that's surely why we can't parse it. Can you help me to solve this into the ovirt_vms_facts.py file?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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I have no such problem with ovirt_snaphots_module and I can easily get the <a href="http://snaphot.id" target="_blank">
snaphot.id</a> variable.... but:<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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I had to manually copy the ovirt_snaphsots_module because it is not present on the git tree. This is very curious: we can find it here
<a href="http://ovirt-ansible-modules.readthedocs.io/en/latest/_modules/ovirt_snapshots_module.htm" target="_blank">
http://ovirt-ansible-modules.readthedocs.io/en/latest/_modules/ovirt_snapshots_module.htm</a>, but it is not available on the main ansible git tre.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo4">
On the doc, return values are not described<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p>For the moment, my opinion is that ansible can't be as much convinient as the current CLI, e.g. ovirt-shell -E "list vms", out of the box. Is there a really reason to deprecate it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 02/12/2016 à 14:12, Ondra Machacek a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all, <br>
<br>
I would like to kindly ask everyone who is Ansible or oVirt user for <br>
testing of the new Ansible oVirt modules. For everyone who is familiar <br>
with the Ansible and oVirt, this[1] describes the steps you need to do, <br>
to setup oVirt modules library and start using those modules (Most of those modules will be available in Ansible 2.3, some of them are already in 2.2).
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<br>
If you have any issue setting this up, please contact me, I will do the <br>
best to help you. <br>
<br>
If you have an issue, which you think is a bug, please open an issue <br>
here[2]. Please note that Ansible is merging it's repositories, so since <br>
next week it will actually be stored here[3]. If you are missing <br>
anything please open an issue as well, or just contact me, and I will <br>
do fix it. You are also very welcome to sent PR with fixes. <br>
<br>
For those who don't have testing environment which can test against, <br>
I've created an Vagrant project which will deploy you the oVirt instance <br>
using Ansible playbooks. You can find how to use it here[4]. <br>
<br>
The repository also contains few examples[5], so you don't have to <br>
copy-paste them from the source. <br>
<br>
Thanks all for reading this and any feedback, <br>
Ondra <br>
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[1] <a href="https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/releases/tag/0.1" target="_blank">
https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/releases/tag/0.1</a> <br>
[2] <a href="https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-extras/issues" target="_blank">
https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-extras/issues</a> <br>
[3] <a href="https://github.com/ansible/ansible" target="_blank">https://github.com/ansible/ansible</a>
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[4] <a href="https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests" target="_blank">https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests</a>
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[5] <a href="https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/tree/master/examples" target="_blank">
https://github.com/machacekondra/ovirt-tests/tree/master/examples</a> <br>
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