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<p>Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them
for different proposes.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but
not the only one. You see right click less and less in web
applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience.
This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework
we heavily use throughout the application).
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<div dir="auto">We will however consider bringing this back if
there will be high demand. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for the feedback!</div>
<div dir="auto">Oved </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell
Budic" <<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">budic@onholyground.com</a>>
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<div
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Agreed.
I use the right click functionality all the time and will
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile
interface, but I’m never going to use it for primary work.
Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
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color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="4"><b>From:</b>
FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a
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<span><font style="font:13.0px
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face="Helvetica" size="4"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
Release is now available for testing</font></span><br>
<span><font style="font:13.0px
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face="Helvetica" size="4"><b>Date:</b> October
31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT</font></span><br>
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<span
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31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:</span><br
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Will the right click dialog be available in
the final release? Because,<br>
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right
corner to interact with<br>
object (migrate, maintenance...)<br>
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Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br>
<br>
Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br>
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile
friendly, and while its not 100%<br>
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a
mobile device now. Mobile devices<br>
don't have a right click, so hiding
functionality in there would make no<br>
sense.<br>
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<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Please
don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While
mobile usage is nice to have in "certain"
situations. In real day by day operation nobody
uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
manage their large environments. If having both
options where you can switch between then is
nice, but if something should prevail should
always be Desktop. We are not talking about a
Stock Trading interface or something you need
that level or flexibility and mobility to do
static things anytime anywhere.</span><br
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<br
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<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">So
I beg you to consider well before remove things
which are pretty useful for a day by day and
real management usage because of a new trend or
buzz stuff.</span><br
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<span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Right
click is always on popular on Desktop
enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br
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You can now right click and get the browsers
menu instead of ours and you<br>
can do things like copy from the menu.<br>
- We replicated all the functionality from the
menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br>
available on the right. Our goal was to have all
the commonly used actions as<br>
a button, and less often used actions in the
kebab to declutter the interface.<br>
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel<br>
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a
right click menu because its<br>
a web interface, and they couldn't find some
functionality that was only<br>
available in the right click menu.<br>
<br>
Now that being said, we are still debating if it
was a good move or not. For<br>
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of
people want it back, it is<br>
certainly possible we will put it back.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">that is something you
are interested in. Its also much faster and
better<br>
than before.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 31/10/2017 10:13,
Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The oVirt Project
is pleased to announce the availability
of the First<br>
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of
October 31st, 2017<br>
<br>
<br>
This is pre-release software. This
pre-release should not to be used<br>
in production.<br>
<br>
Please take a look at our community
page[1] to learn how to ask<br>
questions and interact with developers
and users.All issues or bugs<br>
should be reported via oVirt
Bugzilla[2].<br>
<br>
This update is the first beta release of
the 4.2.0 version. This<br>
release brings more than 230
enhancements and more than one thousand<br>
bug fixes, including more than 380 high
or urgent severity fixes, on<br>
top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br>
<br>
<br>
What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br>
<br>
*<br>
The Administration Portalhas
been completely redesigned using<br>
Patternfly, a widely adopted
standard in web application design.<br>
It now features a cleaner, more
intuitive design, for an improved<br>
user experience.<br>
*<br>
There is an all-new VM Portalfor
non-admin users.<br>
*<br>
A new High Performance virtual
machinetype has been added to the<br>
New VM dialog box in the
Administration Portal.<br>
*<br>
Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds
support for Open vSwitch software<br>
defined networking (SDN).<br>
*<br>
oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.<br>
*<br>
The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage
helps users with common<br>
administration tasks.<br>
*<br>
Virt-v2vnow supports
Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br>
<br>
For more information about these and
other features, check out the<br>
oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br>
<<a
href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/<wbr>09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/</a>>.<br>
<br>
<br>
This release is available now on x86_64
architecture for:<br>
<br>
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
<br>
This release supports Hypervisor Hosts
on x86_64 and ppc64le<br>
architectures for:<br>
<br>
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64
only)<br>
<br>
<br>
See the release notes draft [3] for
installation / upgrade<br>
instructions and a list of new features
and bugs fixed.<br>
<br>
<br>
Notes:<br>
<br>
- oVirt Appliance is already available.<br>
<br>
- An async release of oVirt Node will
follow soon.<br>
<br>
<br>
Additional Resources:<br>
<br>
* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0
release highlights:<br>
<a
href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a><br>
<<a
href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a>><br>
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* Get more oVirt project updates on
Twitter: <a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/ovirt</a><br>
<br>
* Check out the latest project news on
the oVirt blog:<br>
<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/blog/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/blog/</a><br>
<br>
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href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/"
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://resources.ovirt.org/<wbr>pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a><br>
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EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D<br>
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