<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 4:26 AM, TomK <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tomkcpr@mdevsys.com" target="_blank">tomkcpr@mdevsys.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 4/5/2018 8:59 AM, Tom wrote:<br>
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On Apr 5, 2018, at 5:29 AM, Yaniv Kaul &lt;<a href="mailto:ykaul@redhat.com" target="_blank">ykaul@redhat.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ykaul@redhat.com" target="_blank">ykaul@redhat.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
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On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 9:08 AM, TomK &lt;<a href="mailto:tomkcpr@mdevsys.com" target="_blank">tomkcpr@mdevsys.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:tomkcpr@mdevsys.com" target="_blank">tomkcpr@mdevsys.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
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    On 4/4/2018 3:11 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote:<br>
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        On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Tom &lt;<a href="mailto:tk@mdevsys.com" target="_blank">tk@mdevsys.com</a><br></span>
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            On Apr 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Yaniv Kaul &lt;<a href="mailto:ykaul@redhat.com" target="_blank">ykaul@redhat.com</a><br>
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                On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:12 PM, TomK<br>
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            &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:tomkcpr@mdevsys.com" target="_blank">tomkcpr@mdevsys.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
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                    Hey Guy&#39;s,<br>
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                    If I&#39;m looking to setup the oVirt engine in an HA<br>
                    configuration off the physical servers hosting my<br>
            VM&#39;s (non<br>
                    self hosted), what are my options here?<br>
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                    I want to setup two to four active oVirt engine<br>
            instances<br>
                    elsewhere and handle the HA via something like<br>
            haproxy /<br>
                    keepalived to keep the entire experience seamless<br>
            to the user.<br>
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                You will need to set up the oVirt engine service as<br>
            well as the PG<br>
                database (and ovirt-engine-dwhd service and any other<br>
            service we<br>
                run next to the engine) as highly available module.<br>
                In pacemaker[1], for example.<br>
                You&#39;ll need to ensure configuration is also sync&#39;ed<br>
            between nodes,<br>
                etc.<br>
                Y.<br>
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            So already have one ovirt engine setup separately on a vm that<br>
            manages two remote physical hosts.  So familiar with the<br>
        single host<br>
            approach which I would simply replicate.  At least that’s<br>
        the idea<br>
            anyway.  Could you please expand a bit on the highly available<br>
            module and  syncing the config between hosts?<br>
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        That&#39;s a different strategy, which is also legit - you treat<br>
        this VM as a highly available resource. Now you do not need to<br>
        sync the config - just the VM disk and config.<br>
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    I think there&#39;s a postgres component too and if oVirt engine keeps<br>
    all it&#39;s date on the postgres tables, then synchronizing this<br>
    piece might be all I need?  I&#39;m not sure how the separate oVirt<br>
    engines sitting on various separate physical hosts keep their<br>
    settings in sync about the rest of the physicals in an oVirt<br>
    environment. (Assume we may have 100 oVirt physicals for example.)<br>
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There&#39;s more than just the database, although it contains 99% of what you need. See the content of the result of &#39;engine-backup&#39; command.<br>
I think you might be somewhat confusing between the number of oVirt hypervisors (we support hundreds) and the Engine - the management, which is single - and with hosted-engine, it&#39;s a single, but highly available virtual machine - that can run on one of several (I suggest 3-8) of those hypervisors.<br>
Y.<br>
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Yah, still very new to much of this.  Thank you again.<br>
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I’ll take that away and do some reading.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Tom<br>
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&quot;that can run on one of several (I suggest 3-8) of those hypervisors.&quot;<br></div></div>
To clarify.  So if I have 3-8 copies of the oVirt Engine in a self-hosted config, only one can run at any one time?  Is this correct?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>&#39;One Engine to rule them all.&#39; </div><div>Y.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Cheers,<br>
Tom<br>
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        Perhaps something like<br>
        <a href="https://www.unixarena.com/2015/12/rhel-7-pacemaker-configuring-ha-kvm-guest.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.unixarena.com/2015<wbr>/12/rhel-7-pacemaker-configuri<wbr>ng-ha-kvm-guest.html</a><br>
        &lt;<a href="https://www.unixarena.com/2015/12/rhel-7-pacemaker-configuring-ha-kvm-guest.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.unixarena.com/201<wbr>5/12/rhel-7-pacemaker-configur<wbr>ing-ha-kvm-guest.html</a>&gt;<br>
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        But if you are already doing that, I&#39;m not sure why you&#39;d<br>
        prefer this over hosted-engine setup.<br>
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    I&#39;m comparing both options.  I really don&#39;t want to ask too many<br>
    specific until I have the chance to read into the details of both.<br>
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        Y.<br>
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    Cheers,<br>
    Tom<br>
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            Cheers,<br>
            Tom<br>
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                [1] <a href="https://clusterlabs.org/quickstart-redhat.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://clusterlabs.org/quicks<wbr>tart-redhat.html</a><br>
            &lt;<a href="https://clusterlabs.org/quickstart-redhat.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://clusterlabs.org/quick<wbr>start-redhat.html</a>&gt;<br>
                &lt;<a href="https://clusterlabs.org/quickstart-redhat.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://clusterlabs.org/quick<wbr>start-redhat.html</a><br>
            &lt;<a href="https://clusterlabs.org/quickstart-redhat.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://clusterlabs.org/quick<wbr>start-redhat.html</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
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                    From what I&#39;ve seen in oVirt, that seems to be<br>
            possible<br>
                    without the two oVirt engines even knowing each<br>
            other&#39;s<br>
                    existence but is it something anyone has ever<br>
            done?  Any<br>
                    recommendations in this case?<br>
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                    Having settings replicated would be a bonus but I<br>
            would be<br>
                    comfortable if they weren&#39;t and I handle that myself.<br>
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                    --         Cheers,<br>
                    Tom K.<br>
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