On 09/27/2011 03:19 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
On
09/27/2011 02:04 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
On 09/27/2011 02:34 PM, Anthony Liguori
wrote:
-0.9
I don't think we should rush into adding projects. I think
there's an
open question of whether MOM should be folded into VDSM or
whether it
should be stand alone.
I'd like to see a roadmap for either integrating into VDSM or
a clear
(agreed upon) description of what components own what
functionality.
My concern is that having MOM be an oVirt project would
discourage
attempts to merge MOM into VDSM.
N.B. my vote is non-binding.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
On 09/27/2011 12:41 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
This vote is to accept into oVirt the memory overcommit
manager (mom)
project either to be used as a dependency in VDSM or as a
daemon
alongside VDSM. This detail will be worked during
integration.
If the project is accepted and given it is our first
community submitted
project to be voted we will create an infrastructure setup
list which I
will record. This can then be used to make it easier for the
next
project joining.
Please vote -1, 0, +1 whether you would like to include this
project
into oVirt. I'll leave the vote open at least 72 hours.
It sounds like the next step is for the mom and vdsm project to
have a
discussion and come back to the list. The discussion should
clarify.
a.) mom is an additional daemon that wdsm would use
b.) mom is a library that vdsm would use
c.) mom gets included into vdsm.
Either (a or b) would mean we create another project. (c) would
mean we
deal with it as a code contribution to the vdsm project.
Anthony, Perry, I take it your concern is we don't want to setup
a
project if technically we include the mom as a code submission -
option
(c). I had assumed a or b, your concern as I read it is to rule
c
in/out before completed this vote.
Here is my +1,
Here is the IRC log from our IRC channel discussing the issue with
Perry.
(04:19:55 PM) cctrieloff: pmyers:
ping
(04:19:59 PM) pmyers: pong
(04:20:16 PM) cctrieloff: wanted
to kick around the comments on the vote a bit
(04:20:57 PM) cctrieloff: Based
on Adams comments, as mom is also used by other projects, then those
users would need to move to vdsm if c was executed. As mom already
has other users I believe it may be more pragmatic to get results
using (a or b) and then we can always combine the projects if all
can be served from vdsm and if that simplifies things
(04:21:01 PM) cctrieloff: thoughts?
(04:21:11 PM) pmyers: well
(04:21:18 PM) pmyers: if it
has other users outside of the oVirt use case
(04:21:25 PM) pmyers: then
should it be in oVirt at all? :)
(04:21:32 PM) pmyers: maybe
yes, but I just wanted to pose the question
(04:21:32 PM) cctrieloff: why
not?
(04:21:53 PM) cctrieloff: if
it focuses to serve oVirt then I would say yes.
(04:22:02 PM) pmyers: well
things like libvirt and matahari don't make sense inside of oVirt
community because they have too many use cases outside of oVirt
(04:22:06 PM) cctrieloff: it
could just be a lib that ovirt vdsm uses
(04:22:07 PM) pmyers: at
least that was what we discussed
(04:22:27 PM) cctrieloff: that
can be debated either way
(04:22:31 PM) pmyers: yep
(04:22:36 PM) pmyers: and
that's sort of what I'm debating here
(04:22:41 PM) djasa [~djasa@ip-62-245-123-239.net.upcbroadband.cz]
entered the room.
(04:22:44 PM) pmyers: i'm
not violently opposed to MOM being a full project
(04:22:57 PM) pmyers: just
wanted to raise what I saw as a possible issue
(04:22:57 PM) cctrieloff: point
is if someone wants to be in the community, and they add value and
integrate, then I believe we should say yes
(04:23:01 PM) pmyers: ok
(04:23:11 PM) pmyers: so you
would be open to matahari then? :)
(04:23:13 PM) cctrieloff: I
agree with the question
(04:23:18 PM) cctrieloff: yes,
I would
(04:23:22 PM) pmyers: k
(04:23:29 PM) cctrieloff: I
think it would help matahari with visibility etc
(04:23:30 PM) pmyers: we can
circle back round to that question later
(04:23:31 PM) pmyers: ack
(04:23:38 PM) pmyers: then
no objection to MOM
(04:23:53 PM) pmyers: my
only real concern was overhead of setting up lists and other infra
(04:23:57 PM) pmyers: if in
the end it would be integrated
(04:24:02 PM) pmyers: if it
looks like it will stay standalone
(04:24:05 PM) pmyers: then
those concerns are moot
(04:24:06 PM) cctrieloff: ack.
(04:24:41 PM) cctrieloff: personally,
my guess is that it might want it's API to be integrated in vdsm and
if the users come across to vdsm then they should integrate
(04:24:55 PM) pmyers: yeo
(04:24:59 PM) pmyers: yep
that is
(04:25:10 PM) cctrieloff: to
me the question is does the community figure this out over time, or
do we make them figure it out upfront.
(04:25:19 PM) pmyers: heh
(04:25:22 PM) pmyers: over
time :)
(04:25:30 PM) pmyers: can't
make a community do anything by fiat
(04:25:35 PM) cctrieloff: ack
(04:25:57 PM) cctrieloff: ok,
based on this interaction, I'm going to vote +1.
(04:26:17 PM) cctrieloff: do
you mind if I post the IRC log to the list?
(04:26:36 PM) pmyers: nope,
go ahead
(04:26:39 PM) cctrieloff: thx