Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? so the state isn't guarded from localhost tinkering anyhow. If you really need a solution you can acuire a token for this operation by setupNetworks, and confirm connectivity with this token passed back. I'm not sure about the severity of the problem here, I'll let other reply, but I'm against this kind of solution. On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 at 15:32 Petr Horacek <phoracek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Hello, > > current VDSM ping verb has a problem - it confirms network > connectivity as a side-effect. After Engine calls setupNetwork it > pings VDSM host to confirm that external network connectivity is not > broken. This prohibits other users to call ping from localhost since > it would confirm connectivity even though networking could be broken. >

> In order to fix this problem ping should be split to ping2 (which just > returns Success with no side-effect) and confirmConnectivity. Change > on VDSM side was introduced in [1], we still need to expose new verbs > in Engine. > > Regards, > Petr > > [1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/80119/ > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? so the state isn't guarded from localhost tinkering anyhow. If you really need a solution you can acuire a token for this operation by setupNetworks, and confirm connectivity with this token passed back.

I'm not sure about the severity of the problem here, I'll let other reply, but I'm against this kind of solution. On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 at 15:32 Petr Horacek <phoracek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Hello, > > current VDSM ping verb has a problem - it confirms network > connectivity as a side-effect. After Engine calls setupNetwork it > pings VDSM host to confirm that external network connectivity is not > broken. This prohibits other users to call ping from localhost since > it would confirm connectivity even though networking could be broken. > > In order to fix this problem ping should be split to ping2 (which just > returns Success with no side-effect) and confirmConnectivity. Change > on VDSM side was introduced in [1], we still need to expose new verbs > in Engine. > > Regards, > Petr > > [1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/80119/ > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

> The proposed solution is focused on making sure a command does one thing and > not two: > A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to confirm > connectivity. This sounds as exactly the right solution right now. >>> Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? We do not protect any other endpoints that can cause the host to go wild (storage or even setupNetworks). I agree with Edward it is the responsibility of the caller to do the right thing. You need to be root or have the certificate to talk to VDSM anyway. Martin On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Edward Haas <ehaas(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? so the state isn't >>> guarded from localhost tinkering anyhow. If you really need a solution you >>> can acuire a token for this operation by setupNetworks, and confirm >>> connectivity with this token passed back. >>> >>> I'm not sure about the severity of the problem here, I'll let other >>> reply, but I'm against this kind of solution. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 at 15:32 Petr Horacek <phoracek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> current VDSM ping verb has a problem - it confirms network >>>> connectivity as a side-effect. After Engine calls setupNetwork it >>>> pings VDSM host to confirm that external network connectivity is not >>>> broken. This prohibits other users to call ping from localhost since >>>> it would confirm connectivity even though networking could be broken. >> >> >> Vdsm can save the client ip setting up the network. Getting a ping from >> this >> client can confirm that the connectivity was restored. pings from other >> hosts >> can be ignored. >> >> The client address is available in a thread local variable >> (context.client_host) >> during all api calls. see vdsm.common.api.context_string() for example >> usage. >> >> This infrastructure is available in 4.1. > > > The proposed solution is focused on making sure a command does one thing and > not two: > A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to confirm > connectivity. > > Does it make sense to confirm connectivity from localhost? In many cases it > probably does not, > but there may be cases where it does make sense... it is not the > functionality to determine what > makes sense or not, it is the usage of it who has the responsibility to use > it correctly. > >> >> Nir >> >>>> >>>> >>>> In order to fix this problem ping should be split to ping2 (which just >>>> returns Success with no side-effect) and confirmConnectivity. Change >>>> on VDSM side was introduced in [1], we still need to expose new verbs >>>> in Engine. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Petr >>>> >>>> [1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/80119/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Devel mailing list >>>> Devel(a)ovirt.org >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Devel mailing list >>> Devel(a)ovirt.org >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > Devel(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

MOM and hosted engine use the ping verb to verify the connection is still OK. The RPC client did not have any reconnect logic in the past (and I think it still does not..). Martin On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Petr, why do you need the ping verb? what are you after? > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 11:54 Martin Sivak <msivak(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> > The proposed solution is focused on making sure a command does one thing >> > and >> > not two: >> > A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to confirm >> > connectivity. >> >> This sounds as exactly the right solution right now. >> >> >>> Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? >> >> We do not protect any other endpoints that can cause the host to go >> wild (storage or even setupNetworks). I agree with Edward it is the >> responsibility of the caller to do the right thing. You need to be >> root or have the certificate to talk to VDSM anyway. >> >> Martin >> >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Edward Haas <ehaas(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? so the state isn't >> >>> guarded from localhost tinkering anyhow. If you really need a solution >> >>> you >> >>> can acuire a token for this operation by setupNetworks, and confirm >> >>> connectivity with this token passed back. >> >>> >> >>> I'm not sure about the severity of the problem here, I'll let other >> >>> reply, but I'm against this kind of solution. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 at 15:32 Petr Horacek <phoracek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hello, >> >>>> >> >>>> current VDSM ping verb has a problem - it confirms network >> >>>> connectivity as a side-effect. After Engine calls setupNetwork it >> >>>> pings VDSM host to confirm that external network connectivity is not >> >>>> broken. This prohibits other users to call ping from localhost since >> >>>> it would confirm connectivity even though networking could be broken. >> >> >> >> >> >> Vdsm can save the client ip setting up the network. Getting a ping from >> >> this >> >> client can confirm that the connectivity was restored. pings from other >> >> hosts >> >> can be ignored. >> >> >> >> The client address is available in a thread local variable >> >> (context.client_host) >> >> during all api calls. see vdsm.common.api.context_string() for example >> >> usage. >> >> >> >> This infrastructure is available in 4.1. >> > >> > >> > The proposed solution is focused on making sure a command does one thing >> > and >> > not two: >> > A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to confirm >> > connectivity. >> > >> > Does it make sense to confirm connectivity from localhost? In many cases >> > it >> > probably does not, >> > but there may be cases where it does make sense... it is not the >> > functionality to determine what >> > makes sense or not, it is the usage of it who has the responsibility to >> > use >> > it correctly. >> > >> >> >> >> Nir >> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> In order to fix this problem ping should be split to ping2 (which >> >>>> just >> >>>> returns Success with no side-effect) and confirmConnectivity. Change >> >>>> on VDSM side was introduced in [1], we still need to expose new verbs >> >>>> in Engine. >> >>>> >> >>>> Regards, >> >>>> Petr >> >>>> >> >>>> [1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/80119/ >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Devel mailing list >> >>>> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Devel mailing list >> >>> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Devel mailing list >> >> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Devel mailing list >> > Devel(a)ovirt.org >> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> _______________________________________________ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

What stomp heartbeat? There is no such thing in the Python json rpc client. Martin On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Why isn't the stomp heartbeat enough? > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 13:45 Martin Sivak <msivak(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> MOM and hosted engine use the ping verb to verify the connection is >> still OK. The RPC client did not have any reconnect logic in the past >> (and I think it still does not..). >> >> Martin >> >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> > Petr, why do you need the ping verb? what are you after? >> > >> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 11:54 Martin Sivak <msivak(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> >> >> > The proposed solution is focused on making sure a command does one >> >> > thing >> >> > and >> >> > not two: >> >> > A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to confirm >> >> > connectivity. >> >> >> >> This sounds as exactly the right solution right now. >> >> >> >> >>> Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? >> >> >> >> We do not protect any other endpoints that can cause the host to go >> >> wild (storage or even setupNetworks). I agree with Edward it is the >> >> responsibility of the caller to do the right thing. You need to be >> >> root or have the certificate to talk to VDSM anyway. >> >> >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Edward Haas <ehaas(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com&gt; >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? so the state isn't >> >> >>> guarded from localhost tinkering anyhow. If you really need a >> >> >>> solution >> >> >>> you >> >> >>> can acuire a token for this operation by setupNetworks, and confirm >> >> >>> connectivity with this token passed back. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I'm not sure about the severity of the problem here, I'll let other >> >> >>> reply, but I'm against this kind of solution. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 at 15:32 Petr Horacek <phoracek(a)redhat.com&gt; >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Hello, >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> current VDSM ping verb has a problem - it confirms network >> >> >>>> connectivity as a side-effect. After Engine calls setupNetwork it >> >> >>>> pings VDSM host to confirm that external network connectivity is >> >> >>>> not >> >> >>>> broken. This prohibits other users to call ping from localhost >> >> >>>> since >> >> >>>> it would confirm connectivity even though networking could be >> >> >>>> broken. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vdsm can save the client ip setting up the network. Getting a ping >> >> >> from >> >> >> this >> >> >> client can confirm that the connectivity was restored. pings from >> >> >> other >> >> >> hosts >> >> >> can be ignored. >> >> >> >> >> >> The client address is available in a thread local variable >> >> >> (context.client_host) >> >> >> during all api calls. see vdsm.common.api.context_string() for >> >> >> example >> >> >> usage. >> >> >> >> >> >> This infrastructure is available in 4.1. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The proposed solution is focused on making sure a command does one >> >> > thing >> >> > and >> >> > not two: >> >> > A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to confirm >> >> > connectivity. >> >> > >> >> > Does it make sense to confirm connectivity from localhost? In many >> >> > cases >> >> > it >> >> > probably does not, >> >> > but there may be cases where it does make sense... it is not the >> >> > functionality to determine what >> >> > makes sense or not, it is the usage of it who has the responsibility >> >> > to >> >> > use >> >> > it correctly. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Nir >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> In order to fix this problem ping should be split to ping2 (which >> >> >>>> just >> >> >>>> returns Success with no side-effect) and confirmConnectivity. >> >> >>>> Change >> >> >>>> on VDSM side was introduced in [1], we still need to expose new >> >> >>>> verbs >> >> >>>> in Engine. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Regards, >> >> >>>> Petr >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> [1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/80119/ >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Devel mailing list >> >> >>>> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> >> >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Devel mailing list >> >> >>> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> >> >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Devel mailing list >> >> >> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> >> >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Devel mailing list >> >> > Devel(a)ovirt.org >> >> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Devel mailing list >> >> Devel(a)ovirt.org >> >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

> A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to confirm > connectivity. This sounds as exactly the right solution right now.

> A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to confirm > connectivity. This sounds as exactly the right solution right now.

This is for 4.1 https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/78916/ , track that, it should be in.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 15:10 Martin Sivak <msivak(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > What stomp heartbeat? There is no such thing in the Python json rpc > client. > > Martin > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > Why isn't the stomp heartbeat enough? > > > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 13:45 Martin Sivak <msivak(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> > >> MOM and hosted engine use the ping verb to verify the connection is > >> still OK. The RPC client did not have any reconnect logic in the past > >> (and I think it still does not..). > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> > Petr, why do you need the ping verb? what are you after? > >> > > >> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 11:54 Martin Sivak <msivak(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > The proposed solution is focused on making sure a command does one > >> >> > thing > >> >> > and > >> >> > not two: > >> >> > A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to > >> >> > confirm > >> >> > connectivity. > >> >> > >> >> This sounds as exactly the right solution right now. > >> >> > >> >> >>> Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? > >> >> > >> >> We do not protect any other endpoints that can cause the host to go > >> >> wild (storage or even setupNetworks). I agree with Edward it is the > >> >> responsibility of the caller to do the right thing. You need to be > >> >> root or have the certificate to talk to VDSM anyway. > >> >> > >> >> Martin > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Edward Haas <ehaas(a)redhat.com&gt; > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Nir Soffer <nsoffer(a)redhat.com&gt; > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM Roy Golan <rgolan(a)redhat.com&gt; > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Still someone could call conirmConnectivity, no? so the state > >> >> >>> isn't > >> >> >>> guarded from localhost tinkering anyhow. If you really need a > >> >> >>> solution > >> >> >>> you > >> >> >>> can acuire a token for this operation by setupNetworks, and > >> >> >>> confirm > >> >> >>> connectivity with this token passed back. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I'm not sure about the severity of the problem here, I'll let > >> >> >>> other > >> >> >>> reply, but I'm against this kind of solution. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 at 15:32 Petr Horacek <phoracek(a)redhat.com&gt; > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Hello, > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> current VDSM ping verb has a problem - it confirms network > >> >> >>>> connectivity as a side-effect. After Engine calls setupNetwork > >> >> >>>> it > >> >> >>>> pings VDSM host to confirm that external network connectivity > >> >> >>>> is > >> >> >>>> not > >> >> >>>> broken. This prohibits other users to call ping from localhost > >> >> >>>> since > >> >> >>>> it would confirm connectivity even though networking could be > >> >> >>>> broken. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Vdsm can save the client ip setting up the network. Getting a > >> >> >> ping > >> >> >> from > >> >> >> this > >> >> >> client can confirm that the connectivity was restored. pings from > >> >> >> other > >> >> >> hosts > >> >> >> can be ignored. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The client address is available in a thread local variable > >> >> >> (context.client_host) > >> >> >> during all api calls. see vdsm.common.api.context_string() for > >> >> >> example > >> >> >> usage. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> This infrastructure is available in 4.1. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > The proposed solution is focused on making sure a command does one > >> >> > thing > >> >> > and > >> >> > not two: > >> >> > A ping that has no side effects and a "watchdog" mechanism to > >> >> > confirm > >> >> > connectivity. > >> >> > > >> >> > Does it make sense to confirm connectivity from localhost? In many > >> >> > cases > >> >> > it > >> >> > probably does not, > >> >> > but there may be cases where it does make sense... it is not the > >> >> > functionality to determine what > >> >> > makes sense or not, it is the usage of it who has the > >> >> > responsibility > >> >> > to > >> >> > use > >> >> > it correctly. > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Nir > >> >> >> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> In order to fix this problem ping should be split to ping2 > >> >> >>>> (which > >> >> >>>> just > >> >> >>>> returns Success with no side-effect) and confirmConnectivity. > >> >> >>>> Change > >> >> >>>> on VDSM side was introduced in [1], we still need to expose new > >> >> >>>> verbs > >> >> >>>> in Engine. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Regards, > >> >> >>>> Petr > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> [1] https://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/80119/ > >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>>> Devel mailing list > >> >> >>>> Devel(a)ovirt.org > >> >> >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>> Devel mailing list > >> >> >>> Devel(a)ovirt.org > >> >> >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> Devel mailing list > >> >> >> Devel(a)ovirt.org > >> >> >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Devel mailing list > >> >> > Devel(a)ovirt.org > >> >> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Devel mailing list > >> >> Devel(a)ovirt.org > >> >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/devel