From blaster at 556nato.com Mon Dec 9 09:42:44 2013 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7507011915445543933==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Blaster To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [Users] Agents for Windows Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 08:42:36 -0600 Message-ID: <90DEB47A-B52D-44CA-A9F0-D24527FAB6C6@556nato.com> In-Reply-To: 52A1B41F.6090307@redhat.com --===============7507011915445543933== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Apple-Mail=3D_226A0167-F20F-4CB7-A36B-CB780B00784B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252 On Dec 6, 2013, at 5:25 AM, Vinzenz Feenstra =3D wrote: > I understand that you're disappointed and we're trying to make our =3D best to make the user experience better. You should be considering the =3D age of the project and what we're actually already providing. Yes not =3D everything is perfect, but we're working hard on improving it. > We're working in a collaborative way together with the community, if =3D you're missing something, there's always the possibility to help out. =3D Even if you're not a programmer you can help improving the experience. Bob pretty much said it all for me already=3D85I=3D92m not so much as =3D disappointed in ovirt development as I am the marketing of it. ovirt is = =3D being marketed as an ESXi replacement when it surely isn=3D92t. Probably = =3D 90%+ of what ESXi is used for is virtualizing Windows. Give ovirt in =3D it=3D92s current form to a typical Windows user and they=3D92ll self =3D destruct. The first issue with the agents as I can=3D92t even find any documentation = =3D on what agents really need installing, and what features I=3D92m getting = =3D with that agent! Another thing is, I would think that Fedora would be integrated enough =3D with ovirt that it would be able to automatically detect it=3D92s running = =3D on ovirt and install all the required agents automatically. I forgot my number 5) BIOS needs to work like a standard PC BIOS (as =3D does ESXi) in allowing you to press F8 to get a boot menu or F12 for =3D network boot. This run once stuff is silly. It works fine the first =3D time I create a VM as there=3D92s no bootable OS on the datastore, but if = =3D I need to re-PXE boot a VM, then I have to Run Once..OK, fine, but when =3D the PXE completes it reboots, back into network boot, then I have to =3D kill the VM and restart it normally. Under a PC (or ESXi) BIOS, I just =3D hit F12, network boot, OS re-installs, then reboots normally. Much =3D better user experience. I gave our Red Hat sales people feedback on =3D this issue and was told it=3D92s not going to change.=3D20=3D --Apple-Mail=3D_226A0167-F20F-4CB7-A36B-CB780B00784B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252

On Dec 6, 2013, at 5:25 AM, Vinzenz =3D Feenstra <vfeenstr(a)redhat.com> =3D wrote:

I =3D understand that you're disappointed and we're trying to make our best to = =3D make the user experience better. You should be considering the age of =3D the project and what we're actually already providing. Yes not =3D everything is perfect, but we're working hard on improving it.
We're =3D working in a collaborative way together with the community, if you're =3D missing something, there's always the possibility to help out. Even if =3D you're not a programmer you can help improving the =3D experience.

Bob pretty much =3D said it all for me already=3D85I=3D92m not so much as disappointed in ovirt= =3D development as I am the marketing of it. ovirt is being marketed =3D as an ESXi replacement when it surely isn=3D92t. Probably 90%+ of =3D what ESXi is used for is virtualizing Windows. Give ovirt in it=3D92s= =3D current form to a typical Windows user and they=3D92ll self =3D destruct.

The first issue with the agents as I =3D can=3D92t even find any documentation on what agents really need =3D installing, and what features I=3D92m getting with that =3D agent!

Another thing is, I would think that =3D Fedora would be integrated enough with ovirt that it would be able to =3D automatically detect it=3D92s running on ovirt and install all the =3D required agents automatically.

I forgot my =3D number 5) BIOS needs to work like a standard PC BIOS (as does =3D ESXi) in allowing you to press F8 to get a boot menu or F12 for network =3D boot. This run once stuff is silly. It works fine the first =3D time I create a VM as there=3D92s no bootable OS on the datastore, but if = =3D I need to re-PXE boot a VM, then I have to Run Once..OK, fine, but when =3D the PXE completes it reboots, back into network boot, then I have to =3D kill the VM and restart it normally. Under a PC (or ESXi) BIOS, I =3D just hit F12, network boot, OS re-installs, then reboots normally. = =3D Much better user experience. I gave our Red Hat sales =3D people feedback on this issue and was told it=3D92s not going to =3D change.

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