Hi all,

+1 for Alon's summary - first preference to remain as-is, second pyar.

In addition:

From: "Nicholas Kesick" <= =3D cybertimber2000(a)hotmail.com>
To: "oVirt Mailing List" <us= er=3D s(a)ovirt.org>, "arch" <arch(a)ovirt.org>, "engine-devel" <engi= ne-d=3D evel(a)ovirt.org>, "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl(a)redhat.com>
Sent= : Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:57:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Users] [Engine= =3D -devel] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19 misses tar at minimal se= =3D tup

I did some testing with Fedora 18 (waiti= =3D ng for the Fedora 19 dvd to finish downloading) and I think that the b= =3D ehavior was the same way in Fedora 18. In Fedora 18 when installing from DV= =3D D if you select =3DE2=3D80=3D9CMinimal Install=3DE2=3D80=3D9D, you do = not get tar.=3D

Indeed.

However, = =3D if you select =3DE2=3D80=3D9CMinimal install=3DE2=3D80=3D9D and = =3DE2=3D80=3D9Cstan=3D dard=3DE2=3D80=3D9D under the add-on list, you *do* get tar. And if memory = serves=3D I learned the hard way in Fedora 18 that a lot of familiar commands&n= =3D bsp;are missing in minimal install without the standard add-on items includ= =3D ing =3DE2=3D80=3D9Cifconfig=3DE2=3D80=3D9D. Yea, you can=3DE2=3D80=3D9= 9t even easily tel=3D l what your IP address is!... unless you are used to the ip command.
<= =3D /div>

I think they are trying to educate us= =3D ... and for me it partially worked :-)
I have some machines on wh= =3D ich I did not install ifconfig, and (partially)
learned to <= =3D span style=3D3D"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D3D"font-size: 12pt;">use= ip =3D (after refusing to do so for perhaps 10 or so years).

Is there any other commands that are missing on the =3DE2=3D80= =3D9Cmin=3D imal=3DE2=3D80=3D9D install that are needed?
=
<=3D br>
Needed by vdsm? They are listed as dependencies for it.
= =3D
Needed by me? Yes, but that's a personal preference.

Would it be easier to mention in the install directions to use the standa= =3D rd add-on if selecting the minimal package set for host deployment?

The wiki page already tells to i= =3D nstall tar, and I think that's enough.

Just thoughts. I a= =3D lso wonder if it would be possible to include tar as a dependency for the R= =3D PMs (like ovirt-engine or vdsm) so when installed using a package mana= =3D ger, tar would be checked for.

This won't help in our case, as Alon explained in previous mails in t= =3D his subject -
these RPMs are installed by the "bundle" (a set of = =3D scripts/data files) that we are now
discussing how should be made= =3D to arrive and run.

Best regards,
--&nbs= =3D p;
Didi

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