From bob at doolittle.us.com Mon Dec 9 14:10:57 2013 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6721837753342879115==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Doolittle To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [Users] Agents for Windows Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:10:50 -0500 Message-ID: <52A615BA.1010900@doolittle.us.com> In-Reply-To: 90DEB47A-B52D-44CA-A9F0-D24527FAB6C6@556nato.com --===============6721837753342879115== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030003010801060600030709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/09/2013 09:42 AM, Blaster wrote: > I forgot my number 5) BIOS needs to work like a standard PC BIOS (as = > does ESXi) in allowing you to press F8 to get a boot menu or F12 for = > network boot. I'll disagree a tiny bit here. One *really annoying* quality of needing = to use F2/F8/F12 during Windows bootup in a VM (including ESX/vSphere) = is that sometimes it can be impossible to be quick enough on the = keyboard to get attention before the OS bootup has begun. By the time = you can get a console focus it's too late. That can be enormously = frustrating, and Run Once does help with that. VMware provides a (relatively hidden) option to mitigate this - there's = a radiobox in a menu somewhere that effectively says "issue an F2 = immediately when the VM starts to boot up". This sends it straight into = the BIOS menu. That radiobox has saved what little remains of my hair. I kind of like "Run Once" for most of my needs, but I do understand = Blaster's point for his scenario. If we evolve away from Run Once, it = will be super important to provide the feature similar to VMware to = force the machine into BIOS after power up. Thanks, Bob > This run once stuff is silly. It works fine the first time I create a = > VM as there's no bootable OS on the datastore, but if I need to re-PXE = > boot a VM, then I have to Run Once..OK, fine, but when the PXE = > completes it reboots, back into network boot, then I have to kill the = > VM and restart it normally. Under a PC (or ESXi) BIOS, I just hit = > F12, network boot, OS re-installs, then reboots normally. Much = > better user experience. I gave our Red Hat sales people feedback on = > this issue and was told it's not going to change. > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --------------030003010801060600030709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On 12/09/2013 09:42 AM, Blaster wrote:

I forgot my number 5) BIOS needs to work like a standard PC BIOS (as does ESXi) in allowing you to press F8 to get a boot menu or F12 for network boot.

I'll disagree a tiny bit here. One *really annoying* quality of needing to use F2/F8/F12 during Windows bootup in a VM (including ESX/vSphere) is that sometimes it can be impossible to be quick enough on the keyboard to get attention before the OS bootup has begun. By the time you can get a console focus it's too late. That can be enormously frustrating, and Run Once does help with that.

VMware provides a (relatively hidden) option to mitigate this - there's a radiobox in a menu somewhere that effectively says "issue an F2 immediately when the VM starts to boot up". This sends it straight into the BIOS menu. That radiobox has saved what little remains of my hair.

I kind of like "Run Once" for most of my needs, but I do understand Blaster's point for his scenario. If we evolve away from Run Once, it will be super important to provide the feature similar to VMware to force the machine into BIOS after power up.

Thanks,
Bob

This run once stuff is silly. It works fine the first ti= me I create a VM as there’s no bootable OS on the datastore, b= ut if I need to re-PXE boot a VM, then I have to Run Once..OK, fine, but when the PXE completes it reboots, back into network boot, then I have to kill the VM and restart it normally. Under a PC (or ESXi) BIOS, I just hit F12, network boot, OS re-installs, then reboots normally. Much better user experience. I gave our Red Hat sales people feedback on th= is issue and was told it’s not going to change.
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