From iheim at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 08:22:43 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7340433262796477693==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:22:41 +0300 Message-ID: <5412E591.6060900@redhat.com> --===============7340433262796477693== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = oVirt 3.6"? Thanks, Itamar --===============7340433262796477693==-- From cedric at delepine.org Fri Sep 12 08:27:06 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7049324701297972847==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?utf-8?q?C=C3=A9dric_Buot_de_l=27Epine_=3Ccedric_at_delepine=2Eorg=3E?= To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:26:52 +0200 Message-ID: <5412E68C.7070001@delepine.org> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============7049324701297972847== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010709040906070602040900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ceph support ;) Regards, C=3DC3=3DA9dric On 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = =3D > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --------------010709040906070602040900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DUTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ceph support ;)
Regards,
C=3DC3=3DA9dric

On 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote= =3D :

Wi=3D th oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in oVirt 3.6"?

Thanks,
=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 Itamar
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Fencing over storage (FCoE, iSCSI, NFS, etc) ISO upload over web UI. Dne 12.9.2014 14:22, Itamar Heim napsal(a): > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --===============0589542007586418074==-- From mstevens at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 12 09:22:14 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8957846382618033469==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Morten Stevens To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:22:07 +0200 Message-ID: <5412F37F.6070801@fedoraproject.org> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============8957846382618033469== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12.09.2014 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? An official supported way to import existing raw disk images would be nice. Best regards, Morten --===============8957846382618033469==-- From mail at johankooijman.com Fri Sep 12 09:24:30 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1017815936332910978==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Johan Kooijman To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:24:27 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5412E924.30300@redhat.com --===============1017815936332910978== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would really like to see ceph support through libvirtd. Since cephfs is FAR from stable and having an NFS server in the middle really f*cks up performance, ceph is simply not an option right now. The main reason we have to move away from ovirt, can't wait to get back to ovirt! On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/12/2014 03:26 PM, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: > >> Ceph support ;) >> > > care to provide more details on how you envision your use case? > we're currently contemplating adding the ceph support via Cinder, which > would simplify adding other technologies/plugins later. > > > Regards, >> C=C3=A9dric >> >> On 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: >> >>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >>> oVirt 3.6"? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Itamar >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Users mailing list >>> Users(a)ovirt.org >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- = Met vriendelijke groeten / With kind regards, Johan Kooijman --===============1017815936332910978== Content-Type: text/html MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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boundary="===============4551436462481213205==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?utf-8?q?C=C3=A9dric_Buot_de_l=27Epine_=3Covirt_at_delepine=2Eorg=3E?= To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:34:46 +0200 Message-ID: <5412F676.2020403@delepine.org> In-Reply-To: CAG2kNCyQC2=MD6Q8jWgm_SU3DqX-L3zRHeSTQUFCPWtyDpsYvg@mail.gmail.com --===============4551436462481213205== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050300050800040404090102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/09/2014 14:44, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Itamar Heim > wrote: > > > care to provide more details on how you envision your use case? > we're currently contemplating adding the ceph support via Cinder, > which would simplify adding other technologies/plugins later. > > > But right now is there any chance to already use Ceph if configuring > CephFS (http://ceph.com/docs/v0.67.9/cephfs/): a POSIX-compliant=3D20 > filesystem that uses a Ceph Storage Cluster to store its data. > and > PosixFS in oVirt (http://www.ovirt.org/Features/PosixFSConnection) Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against Glusterfs... I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool for a=3D20 datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only their size).= =3D C=3DC3=3DA9dric --------------050300050800040404090102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DUTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/09/2014 14:44, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Itamar Heim <ih= eim@=3D redhat.com> wrote:

care to provide more details on how you envision your use case?
we're currently contemplating adding the ceph support via Cinder, which would simplify adding other technologies/plugins later.

But right now is there any chance to already use Ceph if configuring=3DC2=3DA0

CephFS (http://ceph= =3D =3D2Ecom/docs/v0.67.9/cephfs/): a POSIX-compliant filesystem that uses a Ceph Storage Cluster to store its data.

and=3DC2=3DA0

PosixFS in oVirt (= =3D http://www.ovirt.org/Features/PosixFSConnection)

Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against Glusterfs...
I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks.
I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool for a datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only their size).

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users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:53:46 +0200 Message-ID: <5412FAEA.9010609@mittwald.de> In-Reply-To: 5412F676.2020403@delepine.org --===============4619097720913670220== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1! I really would like to see a fast working way to create, manage and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation through openstack component is enough, because you will need more components then (keystone for auth e.g.). On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: > Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against Glusterfs... > I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. > I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool for a > datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only their size). -- = Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards Sven Kieske Systemadministrator Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. KG K=C3=B6nigsberger Stra=C3=9Fe 6 32339 Espelkamp T: +49-5772-293-100 F: +49-5772-293-333 https://www.mittwald.de Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Robert Meyer St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad Oeynhausen Komplement=C3=A4rin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG Bad Oeynh= ausen --===============4619097720913670220==-- From suporte at logicworks.pt Fri Sep 12 10:24:28 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3683082544451206484==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: suporte at logicworks.pt To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:24:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1070323583.22556.1410531868330.JavaMail.zimbra@logicworks.pt> In-Reply-To: 5412F907.8080505@uncu.edu.ar --===============3683082544451206484== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=3D_Part_22555_28684873.1410531868329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this feature will be very usefull (ISO upload over web UI). = +1 = Choose which VM should automatically start up, like in VMware Vsphere "Virt= ual Machine Starup and Shutdown" = ----- Mensagem original ----- De: "Federico Alberto Sayd" = Para: users(a)ovirt.org = Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 12 De Setembro de 2014 14:45:43 = Assunto: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning = On 12/09/14 09:55, Jakub Bittner wrote: = > ISO upload over web UI. = +1, Is it so hard to implement such feature? = _______________________________________________ = Users mailing list = Users(a)ovirt.org = http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users = ------=3D_Part_22555_28684873.1410531868329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, this feature will be very usefull (ISO upload over = =3D web UI).

Choose which VM should automaticall= =3D y start up, like in VMware Vsphere "Virtual Machine Starup and Shutdown"

De: "Federico Alberto Sayd" <fsay= =3D d(a)uncu.edu.ar>
Para: users(a)ovirt.org
Enviadas: S= exta=3D -feira, 12 De Setembro de 2014 14:45:43
Assunto: Re: [ovirt-users= =3D ] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning

On 12/09/14 09:55, Jakub Bittn= =3D er wrote:
> ISO upload over web UI.
+1, Is it so hard to implement= =3D such feature?
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I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool for a=3D20 datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only their size).= =3D C=3DC3=3DA9dric > > what limitations would one have dong that? > > Gianluca --------------050409060108080208080409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DUTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/09/2014 14:44, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Itamar Heim <ih= eim@=3D redhat.com> wrote:

On 09/12/2014 03:26 PM, C=3DC3=3DA9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote:=3D
Ceph support ;)

care to provide more details on how you envision your use case?
we're currently contemplating adding the ceph support via Cinder, which would simplify adding other technologies/plugins later.

But right now is there any chance to already use Ceph if configuring=3DC2=3DA0

CephFS (http://ceph= =3D =3D2Ecom/docs/v0.67.9/cephfs/): a POSIX-compliant filesystem that uses a Ceph Storage Cluster to store its data.

and=3DC2=3DA0

PosixFS in oVirt (= =3D http://www.ovirt.org/Features/PosixFSConnection)

what limitations would one have dong that?

Gianluca

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direct lun , not just storage domains. (I've already put an RFE request in for this as well). *Gary Lloyd* ---------------------------------- IT Services Keele University ----------------------------------- On 12 September 2014 13:22, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============8736545146560910619== Content-Type: text/html MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+UHJvcGVyIGlzY3NpIG11bHRpcGF0aCBzdXBwb3J0L2NvbmZpZyBmb3Ig ZGlyZWN0IGx1biAsIG5vdCBqdXN0IHN0b3JhZ2UgZG9tYWlucy48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2 PihJJiMzOTt2ZSBhbHJlYWR5IHB1dCBhbiBSRkUgcmVxdWVzdCBpbiBmb3IgdGhpcyBhcyB3ZWxs KS48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9leHRyYSI+PGJyIGNsZWFyPSJhbGwiPjxkaXY+PGk+ R2FyeSBMbG95ZDwvaT48ZGl2Pi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS08YnI+ PGRpdj5JVCBTZXJ2aWNlczwvZGl2PjxkaXY+S2VlbGUgVW5pdmVyc2l0eTwvZGl2PjwvZGl2Pjxk aXY+LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS08L2Rpdj48L2Rpdj4KPGJyPjxk aXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIj5PbiAxMiBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgMjAxNCAxMzoyMiwgSXRhbWFy IEhlaW0gPHNwYW4gZGlyPSJsdHIiPiZsdDs8YSBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86aWhlaW1AcmVkaGF0LmNv bSIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmloZWltQHJlZGhhdC5jb208L2E+Jmd0Ozwvc3Bhbj4gd3JvdGU6 PGJyPjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9xdW90ZSIgc3R5bGU9Im1hcmdpbjowIDAgMCAu OGV4O2JvcmRlci1sZWZ0OjFweCAjY2NjIHNvbGlkO3BhZGRpbmctbGVmdDoxZXgiPldpdGggb1Zp cnQgMy41IG5lYXJpbmcgR0EsIHRpbWUgdG8gYXNrIGZvciAmcXVvdDt3aGF0IGRvIHlvdSB3YW50 IHRvIHNlZSBpbiBvVmlydCAzLjYmcXVvdDs/PGJyPgo8YnI+ClRoYW5rcyw8YnI+CsKgIMKgSXRh bWFyPGJyPgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX188dT48L3U+X19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX188YnI+ClVzZXJzIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdDxicj4KPGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOlVzZXJzQG92 aXJ0Lm9yZyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPlVzZXJzQG92aXJ0Lm9yZzwvYT48YnI+CjxhIGhyZWY9 Imh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5vdmlydC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby91c2VycyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJf YmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5vdmlydC5vcmcvPHU+PC91Pm1haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vdXNl cnM8L2E+PGJyPgo8L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PC9kaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2Pgo= --===============8736545146560910619==-- From iheim at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 17:34:32 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3818583898656170549==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 00:34:26 +0300 Message-ID: <541366E2.5060404@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412ED3A.4040107@nbu.cz --===============3818583898656170549== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 03:55 PM, Jakub Bittner wrote: > Ovirt: > FCoE hosted engine support. would this be any different than FC hosted engine support? > Fencing over storage (FCoE, iSCSI, NFS, etc) > ISO upload over web UI. > > > > Dne 12.9.2014 14:22, Itamar Heim napsal(a): >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============3818583898656170549==-- From iheim at redhat.com Fri Sep 12 17:35:26 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8696385216514494034==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 00:35:24 +0300 Message-ID: <5413671C.8010705@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412F37F.6070801@fedoraproject.org --===============8696385216514494034== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 04:22 PM, Morten Stevens wrote: > > > On 12.09.2014 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? > > An official supported way to import existing raw disk images would be nic= e. please review: http://www.ovirt.org/Features/virt-v2v_Integration --===============8696385216514494034==-- From nsoffer at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 05:27:26 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6881734976647790843==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Nir Soffer To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 05:27:22 -0400 Message-ID: <195904281.37499405.1410600442417.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412FAEA.9010609@mittwald.de --===============6881734976647790843== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sven Kieske" > To: users(a)ovirt.org > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:53:46 PM > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > = > +1! > = > I really would like to see a fast working way to create, manage > and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation through > openstack component is enough, because you will need more components > then (keystone for auth e.g.). Sure you will need more components, but we don't want to duplicate the effo= rt, implementing ceph support directly in ovirt. Using Cinder we can reuse the existing ceph support, and gain also support for other Cinder drivers for free. On the host side, we will have of course ceph specific support, so you will be able to create ceph volumes directly, and use vdsm api to start vms using these volumes, if you want more "direct" support. I think this is the general long term approach; integrate openstack compone= nts instead of re-implementing the wheel. > = > On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: > > Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against Glusterfs... > > I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. > > I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool for a > > datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only their size= ). > = > -- > Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards > = > Sven Kieske > = > Systemadministrator > Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. KG > K=C3=B6nigsberger Stra=C3=9Fe 6 > 32339 Espelkamp > T: +49-5772-293-100 > F: +49-5772-293-333 > https://www.mittwald.de > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Robert Meyer > St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad Oeynhausen > Komplement=C3=A4rin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG Bad Oey= nhausen > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============6881734976647790843==-- From mohyedeen.nazzal at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 08:33:05 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6310288074741546102==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mohyedeen Nazzal To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:32:43 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 195904281.37499405.1410600442417.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com --===============6310288074741546102== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When VMs goes to unknown status, all control options are grayed, and the only way to fix this is to update the Database manually, it will be nice to be able to force the engine to poweroff the VM from admin portal. Thanks, Mohyedeen. On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Nir Soffer wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sven Kieske" > > To: users(a)ovirt.org > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:53:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > > > > +1! > > > > I really would like to see a fast working way to create, manage > > and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation through > > openstack component is enough, because you will need more components > > then (keystone for auth e.g.). > > Sure you will need more components, but we don't want to duplicate the > effort, > implementing ceph support directly in ovirt. Using Cinder we can reuse the > existing ceph support, and gain also support for other Cinder drivers for > free. > > On the host side, we will have of course ceph specific support, so you wi= ll > be able to create ceph volumes directly, and use vdsm api to start vms > using > these volumes, if you want more "direct" support. > > I think this is the general long term approach; integrate openstack > components > instead of re-implementing the wheel. > > > > > On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: > > > Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against Glusterfs... > > > I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. > > > I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool for a > > > datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only their > size). > > > > -- > > Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards > > > > Sven Kieske > > > > Systemadministrator > > Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. 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3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:38:29 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: CAPiLpOu0bzw5mxaiskzdm-0HaTfT63+MdxHjwg1bCVVuv7t-cg@mail.gmail.com --===============5743365494189171939== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One more thing,, Being able to attach USB dongles from the admin portal... Thanks, Mohyedeen. On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal < mohyedeen.nazzal(a)gmail.com> wrote: > When VMs goes to unknown status, all control options are grayed, and the > only way to fix this is to update the Database manually, it will be nice = to > be able to force the engine to poweroff the VM from admin portal. > > Thanks, > Mohyedeen. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Nir Soffer wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Sven Kieske" >> > To: users(a)ovirt.org >> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:53:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning >> > >> > +1! >> > >> > I really would like to see a fast working way to create, manage >> > and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation through >> > openstack component is enough, because you will need more components >> > then (keystone for auth e.g.). >> >> Sure you will need more components, but we don't want to duplicate the >> effort, >> implementing ceph support directly in ovirt. Using Cinder we can reuse t= he >> existing ceph support, and gain also support for other Cinder drivers for >> free. >> >> On the host side, we will have of course ceph specific support, so you >> will >> be able to create ceph volumes directly, and use vdsm api to start vms >> using >> these volumes, if you want more "direct" support. >> >> I think this is the general long term approach; integrate openstack >> components >> instead of re-implementing the wheel. >> >> > >> > On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: >> > > Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against Glusterfs... >> > > I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. >> > > I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool for a >> > > datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only their >> size). >> > >> > -- >> > Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards >> > >> > Sven Kieske >> > >> > Systemadministrator >> > Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. 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5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============6509345995480035135== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim a =C3=A9crit : > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users For God's sake, please, prevent "secondary" storage domains (anything = other than the master, especially iso and export) to completely block = the whole thing when being unavailable. To many users suffered from this in the last two years I participate at = this mailing list (including me). -- = Nicolas Ecarnot --===============6509345995480035135==-- From nsoffer at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 11:34:11 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6533637346012829659==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Nir Soffer To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:34:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1727210675.37514377.1410622446598.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 54144C3F.1080407@ecarnot.net --===============6533637346012829659== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicolas Ecarnot" > To: users(a)ovirt.org > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 4:53:03 PM > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > = > Le 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim a =C3=A9crit : > > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > > oVirt 3.6"? > > > > Thanks, > > Itamar > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users(a)ovirt.org > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > = > For God's sake, please, prevent "secondary" storage domains (anything > other than the master, especially iso and export) to completely block > the whole thing when being unavailable. > To many users suffered from this in the last two years I participate at > this mailing list (including me). I think this is true for ISO and export domains for some time. It will not work for data domains - if you have vms with disks on what you call "secondary" data domain, how would you migrate these vms to a host that cannot see the "secondary" domain? In 3.6, there will be no "master" domain, so any data domain will be import= ant as any other data domain. Maybe what do you like is to have more control on which domains are critica= l, and which are not. A domain which you mark as "non-critical", or "secondary= ", will not cause the host to become non-operational when the host cannot see this domain. So you would not be able to migrate some vms to a host that cannot see the = secondary domain, but since *you* marked it as "secondary", it is not a pro= blem for you. What do you think? Nir --===============6533637346012829659==-- From nicolas at ecarnot.net Sat Sep 13 14:25:00 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3354791627351204278==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Nicolas Ecarnot To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:24:55 +0200 Message-ID: <54148BF7.4000201@ecarnot.net> In-Reply-To: 1727210675.37514377.1410622446598.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com --===============3354791627351204278== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 13/09/2014 17:34, Nir Soffer a =C3=A9crit : >> For God's sake, please, prevent "secondary" storage domains (anything >> other than the master, especially iso and export) to completely block >> the whole thing when being unavailable. >> To many users suffered from this in the last two years I participate at >> this mailing list (including me). > > I think this is true for ISO and export domains for some time. In 3.4 at least, this is still true and is a problem. At least, if we can get rid of this and just mark these iso and export = domains as unusable, and still do every other non-related operations, = this would be very useful. > It will not work for data domains - if you have vms with disks on what you > call "secondary" data domain, how would you migrate these vms to a host t= hat > cannot see the "secondary" domain? > > In 3.6, there will be no "master" domain, so any data domain will be impo= rtant > as any other data domain. > > Maybe what do you like is to have more control on which domains are criti= cal, > and which are not. A domain which you mark as "non-critical", or "seconda= ry", > will not cause the host to become non-operational when the host cannot see > this domain. > > So you would not be able to migrate some vms to a host that cannot see the > secondary domain, but since *you* marked it as "secondary", it is not a p= roblem > for you. > > What do you think? This proposition is perfect. I don't know whether being able to mark some storage domain as more = precious than other will be useful, when their absence won't be a = blocker anymore? > > Nir > -- = Nicolas Ecarnot --===============3354791627351204278==-- From nsoffer at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 14:38:56 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4646436060763616630==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Nir Soffer To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:38:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1906875197.37521317.1410633530590.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 54148BF7.4000201@ecarnot.net --===============4646436060763616630== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicolas Ecarnot" > To: "Nir Soffer" > Cc: users(a)ovirt.org, "Federico Simoncelli" > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:24:55 PM > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > = > Le 13/09/2014 17:34, Nir Soffer a =C3=A9crit : > >> For God's sake, please, prevent "secondary" storage domains (anything > >> other than the master, especially iso and export) to completely block > >> the whole thing when being unavailable. > >> To many users suffered from this in the last two years I participate at > >> this mailing list (including me). > > > > I think this is true for ISO and export domains for some time. > = > In 3.4 at least, this is still true and is a problem. > At least, if we can get rid of this and just mark these iso and export > domains as unusable, and still do every other non-related operations, > this would be very useful. > = > > It will not work for data domains - if you have vms with disks on what = you > > call "secondary" data domain, how would you migrate these vms to a host > > that > > cannot see the "secondary" domain? > > > > In 3.6, there will be no "master" domain, so any data domain will be > > important > > as any other data domain. > > > > Maybe what do you like is to have more control on which domains are > > critical, > > and which are not. A domain which you mark as "non-critical", or > > "secondary", > > will not cause the host to become non-operational when the host cannot = see > > this domain. > > > > So you would not be able to migrate some vms to a host that cannot see = the > > secondary domain, but since *you* marked it as "secondary", it is not a > > problem > > for you. > > > > What do you think? > = > This proposition is perfect. > I don't know whether being able to mark some storage domain as more > precious than other will be useful, when their absence won't be a > blocker anymore? The idea is to let you define which storage domains are "required" and = which are not, lets call them "optional". If a required storage domain cannot be seen, a host be become non-operational. If an optional storage domain cannot be seen, you will get a warning but the host will function normally. If you try to migrate a vm to a host which cannot see the storage domain used by that vm, the operation will fail. When a "required" storage domain is down, you would be able to change it to "optional", and continue to work with the other = domains in degraded mode. Some vms will not able to run, but other vms that do not depend on problem domain will not be affected. I hope that I understood your question correctly. Nir --===============4646436060763616630==-- From iheim at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 16:21:23 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8124871565522935443==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:21:18 +0300 Message-ID: <5414A73E.6070101@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412F907.8080505@uncu.edu.ar --===============8124871565522935443== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 04:45 PM, Federico Alberto Sayd wrote: > On 12/09/14 09:55, Jakub Bittner wrote: >> ISO upload over web UI. > +1, Is it so hard to implement such feature? well, the tricky part is web ui access the engine, which doesn't access = the storage, rather the hosts do, so you need to stream it via the engine. good news are vdsm has now upload/download api's which should hopefully = pave the way for this to materialize. --===============8124871565522935443==-- From iheim at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 16:22:32 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2435900995816165492==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:22:27 +0300 Message-ID: <5414A783.1000205@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412FAEA.9010609@mittwald.de --===============2435900995816165492== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 04:53 PM, Sven Kieske wrote: > +1! > > I really would like to see a fast working way to create, manage > and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation through > openstack component is enough, because you will need more components > then (keystone for auth e.g.). you would need to setup cinder with noauth or keystone, yes. similar to glance and neutron current support. neutron virtual appliance in 3.5 should have neutron with a local = keystone already configured out of the box iirc > > On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: >> Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against Glusterfs... >> I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. >> I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool for a >> datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only their size). > --===============2435900995816165492==-- From iheim at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 16:24:54 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9212925960143760597==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:24:50 +0300 Message-ID: <5414A812.5080509@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: CAPiLpOu0bzw5mxaiskzdm-0HaTfT63+MdxHjwg1bCVVuv7t-cg@mail.gmail.com --===============9212925960143760597== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/13/2014 03:32 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal wrote: > When VMs goes to unknown status, all control options are grayed, and the > only way to fix this is to update the Database manually, it will be nice > to be able to force the engine to poweroff the VM from admin portal. 'unknown' means the host is in non-responsive state. the "correct" approach is to correct the status of the host (stop via = the power management options ('fence'), or 'confirm manual shutdown' of = the host. either should release the 'unknown' status of the VM. for extreme cases (aka 'bugs'), there is a command line unlock utility = to be used with caution. > > Thanks, > Mohyedeen. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Nir Soffer > wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sven Kieske" > > > To:users(a)ovirt.org > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:53:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > > > > +1! > > > > I really would like to see a fast working way to create, manage > > and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation through > > openstack component is enough, because you will need more components > > then (keystone for auth e.g.). > > Sure you will need more components, but we don't want to duplicate > the effort, > implementing ceph support directly in ovirt. Using Cinder we can > reuse the > existing ceph support, and gain also support for other Cinder > drivers for > free. > > On the host side, we will have of course ceph specific support, so > you will > be able to create ceph volumes directly, and use vdsm api to start > vms using > these volumes, if you want more "direct" support. > > I think this is the general long term approach; integrate openstack > components > instead of re-implementing the wheel. > > > > > On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: > > > Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against Glusterfs... > > > I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. > > > I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph pool > for a > > > datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or only > their size). > > > > -- > > Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards > > > > Sven Kieske > > > > Systemadministrator > > Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. KG > > K=C3=B6nigsberger Stra=C3=9Fe 6 > > 32339 Espelkamp > > T: +49-5772-293-100 > > F: +49-5772-293-333 > > https://www.mittwald.de > > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Robert Meyer > > St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad > Oeynhausen > > Komplement=C3=A4rin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG = Bad > Oeynhausen > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users(a)ovirt.org > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============9212925960143760597==-- From iheim at redhat.com Sat Sep 13 16:25:12 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0917894429575497179==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:25:08 +0300 Message-ID: <5414A824.6090009@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: CAPiLpOvP1hkOmq2ztSqTQUs1t2KGR=FwHn=4g0h09o6t4axS3A@mail.gmail.com --===============0917894429575497179== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/13/2014 03:38 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal wrote: > One more thing,, > > Being able to attach USB dongles from the admin portal... like the hostusb vdsm hook allows? > > Thanks, > Mohyedeen. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal > > wrot= e: > > When VMs goes to unknown status, all control options are grayed, and > the only way to fix this is to update the Database manually, it will > be nice to be able to force the engine to poweroff the VM from admin > portal. > > Thanks, > Mohyedeen. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Nir Soffer > wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sven Kieske" > > > To:users(a)ovirt.org > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:53:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > > > > +1! > > > > I really would like to see a fast working way to create, manage > > and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation through > > openstack component is enough, because you will need more compo= nents > > then (keystone for auth e.g.). > > Sure you will need more components, but we don't want to > duplicate the effort, > implementing ceph support directly in ovirt. Using Cinder we can > reuse the > existing ceph support, and gain also support for other Cinder > drivers for > free. > > On the host side, we will have of course ceph specific support, > so you will > be able to create ceph volumes directly, and use vdsm api to > start vms using > these volumes, if you want more "direct" support. > > I think this is the general long term approach; integrate > openstack components > instead of re-implementing the wheel. > > > > > On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: > > > Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against > Glusterfs... > > > I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. > > > I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph > pool for a > > > datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or > only their size). > > > > -- > > Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards > > > > Sven Kieske > > > > Systemadministrator > > Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. KG > > K=C3=B6nigsberger Stra=C3=9Fe 6 > > 32339 Espelkamp > > T: +49-5772-293-100 > > F: +49-5772-293-333 > > https://www.mittwald.de > > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Robert Meyer > > St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG > Bad Oeynhausen > > Komplement=C3=A4rin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260,= AG > Bad Oeynhausen > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users(a)ovirt.org > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============0917894429575497179==-- From nicolas at ecarnot.net Sat Sep 13 16:38:43 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4916530136280208254==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Nicolas Ecarnot To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: <5414AB4D.2080409@ecarnot.net> In-Reply-To: 1906875197.37521317.1410633530590.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com --===============4916530136280208254== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 13/09/2014 20:38, Nir Soffer a =C3=A9crit : > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicolas Ecarnot" >> To: "Nir Soffer" >> Cc: users(a)ovirt.org, "Federico Simoncelli" >> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:24:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning >> >> Le 13/09/2014 17:34, Nir Soffer a =C3=A9crit : >>>> For God's sake, please, prevent "secondary" storage domains (anything >>>> other than the master, especially iso and export) to completely block >>>> the whole thing when being unavailable. >>>> To many users suffered from this in the last two years I participate at >>>> this mailing list (including me). >>> >>> I think this is true for ISO and export domains for some time. >> >> In 3.4 at least, this is still true and is a problem. >> At least, if we can get rid of this and just mark these iso and export >> domains as unusable, and still do every other non-related operations, >> this would be very useful. >> >>> It will not work for data domains - if you have vms with disks on what = you >>> call "secondary" data domain, how would you migrate these vms to a host >>> that >>> cannot see the "secondary" domain? >>> >>> In 3.6, there will be no "master" domain, so any data domain will be >>> important >>> as any other data domain. >>> >>> Maybe what do you like is to have more control on which domains are >>> critical, >>> and which are not. A domain which you mark as "non-critical", or >>> "secondary", >>> will not cause the host to become non-operational when the host cannot = see >>> this domain. >>> >>> So you would not be able to migrate some vms to a host that cannot see = the >>> secondary domain, but since *you* marked it as "secondary", it is not a >>> problem >>> for you. >>> >>> What do you think? >> >> This proposition is perfect. >> I don't know whether being able to mark some storage domain as more >> precious than other will be useful, when their absence won't be a >> blocker anymore? > > The idea is to let you define which storage domains are "required" and > which are not, lets call them "optional". > > If a required storage domain cannot be seen, a host be become > non-operational. > > If an optional storage domain cannot be seen, you will get a warning > but the host will function normally. > > If you try to migrate a vm to a host which cannot see the storage > domain used by that vm, the operation will fail. > > When a "required" storage domain is down, you would be able to > change it to "optional", and continue to work with the other > domains in degraded mode. Some vms will not able to run, but > other vms that do not depend on problem domain will not be > affected. > > I hope that I understood your question correctly. > > Nir > You did, and the features you described seem great. Can't wait to see them released! -- = Nicolas Ecarnot --===============4916530136280208254==-- From svenkieske at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 20:06:40 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2173112874374243148==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Sven Kieske To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:06:13 +0200 Message-ID: <5414DBF5.5060700@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: 5414A824.6090009@redhat.com --===============2173112874374243148== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 13.09.2014 22:25, Itamar Heim wrote: > like the hostusb vdsm hook allows? is this installed by default, yet? furthermore I think you need to enable it via engine-config(custom parameters), don't you? I guess what is asked for is something working "out of the box". kind regards Sven -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJUFNv1AAoJEAq0kGAWDrqlNpgMAMgPo9QqH0aiqE0bMsmvXDbM R/gbK2+OteDGKgA7m4nvUIw5dzQ1X5a07+q51JoSRaUrJ3MxbA/y2lni9LG6ObyM 57pY3lwWqn91bS+dwo9bGaDKgdWq3HoHPfo+Wz7LfoHSACpeOgu+j6kWtgm3WcLm G3tST1fncLXnWPTQ6SkXaKo5N8G68NrjR2Ih8pFKu+GfeP+0MredKt3d+yHJRrjV 9ZtZvsvd4INDKOfVvJmR8MA0NvTSkFvLSBHvJ9gG3k0Umn/htdn9sPgS41Kghz2x NV1YX8pr4PmJjanGhFaVAYw2v367tVMgcewa21zZ162Wzh7nzTNOJAtMIfQn+hSG 2EGaw0NLFm0grpjITXCp24G1GwVUf3FR2dxt+GdsQ9upEs5605SMlknT6BLmtoJ8 8LCArwEfZ0UgC4T6qOWp7+Sbkcl124qg7abupewL8usKtmnQV00/8pIusx1mtypj 4BDAE5Cq4e+U8hiB9nlGJzo1IFnyBszMOQQLunKGow=3D=3D =3Dfv56 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --===============2173112874374243148==-- From mohyedeen.nazzal at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 02:15:29 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2632848992287583838==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mohyedeen Nazzal To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:15:07 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5414A824.6090009@redhat.com --===============2632848992287583838== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/13/2014 03:38 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal wrote: > >> One more thing,, >> >> Being able to attach USB dongles from the admin portal... >> > > like the hostusb vdsm hook allows? > Yes, exactly. > >> Thanks, >> Mohyedeen. >> >> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal >> > wro= te: >> >> When VMs goes to unknown status, all control options are grayed, and >> the only way to fix this is to update the Database manually, it will >> be nice to be able to force the engine to poweroff the VM from admin >> portal. >> >> Thanks, >> Mohyedeen. >> >> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Nir Soffer > > wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Sven Kieske" > s.kieske(a)mittwald.de>> >> > To:users(a)ovirt.org >> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:53:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning >> > >> > +1! >> > >> > I really would like to see a fast working way to create, manage >> > and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation through >> > openstack component is enough, because you will need more >> components >> > then (keystone for auth e.g.). >> >> Sure you will need more components, but we don't want to >> duplicate the effort, >> implementing ceph support directly in ovirt. Using Cinder we can >> reuse the >> existing ceph support, and gain also support for other Cinder >> drivers for >> free. >> >> On the host side, we will have of course ceph specific support, >> so you will >> be able to create ceph volumes directly, and use vdsm api to >> start vms using >> these volumes, if you want more "direct" support. >> >> I think this is the general long term approach; integrate >> openstack components >> instead of re-implementing the wheel. >> >> > >> > On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: >> > > Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against >> Glusterfs... >> > > I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider for blocks. >> > > I would be pleased to have a direct form to create a Ceph >> pool for a >> > > datacenter, then provide librbd path for the guests (or >> only their size). >> > >> > -- >> > Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards >> > >> > Sven Kieske >> > >> > Systemadministrator >> > Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. 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--===============2632848992287583838==-- From iheim at redhat.com Sun Sep 14 03:15:17 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2334835692802259658==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:15:13 +0300 Message-ID: <54154081.4060202@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5414DBF5.5060700@gmail.com --===============2334835692802259658== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/14/2014 03:06 AM, Sven Kieske wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 13.09.2014 22:25, Itamar Heim wrote: >> like the hostusb vdsm hook allows? > is this installed by default, yet? > furthermore I think you need to enable it via engine-config(custom > parameters), don't you? > > I guess what is asked for is something working "out of the box". > I got that part :) i wanted to make sure its about hostusb and not something else like usb = remoting via spice, etc. --===============2334835692802259658==-- From iheim at redhat.com Sun Sep 14 08:17:41 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0171391608881882002==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:17:39 +0300 Message-ID: <54158763.9090403@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============0171391608881882002== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 03:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > Even the short list of items mentions so far are big features we would = need to do justice with. this means probably a slightly longer cycle than the 6 months we = currently do. with many of the features requiring way newer versions of some of the = components, I think we should plan for "3.6 cluster" to require an .el7 = host (expecting even 7.1 to be out before we release oVirt 3.6). so i want us to plan for: - oVirt 3.6 supports .el6 and .el7 hosts in 3.5 cluster (and for fedora - fc20?) - oVirt 3.6 supports .el7 in 3.6 cluster (and for fedora - fc21?) Thanks, Itamar --===============0171391608881882002==-- From mohyedeen.nazzal at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 10:05:00 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2295783958139820796==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mohyedeen Nazzal To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 17:04:38 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5414DBF5.5060700@gmail.com --===============2295783958139820796== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Sven Kieske wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 13.09.2014 22:25, Itamar Heim wrote: > > like the hostusb vdsm hook allows? > is this installed by default, yet? > furthermore I think you need to enable it via engine-config(custom > parameters), don't you? > > I guess what is asked for is something working "out of the box". > > Yes It's supported by hostusb hook, But this needs access to the host to list what what devices are installed. 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Thanks, Punit On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal < mohyedeen.nazzal(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Sven Kieske wro= te: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 13.09.2014 22:25, Itamar Heim wrote: >> > like the hostusb vdsm hook allows? >> is this installed by default, yet? >> furthermore I think you need to enable it via engine-config(custom >> parameters), don't you? >> >> I guess what is asked for is something working "out of the box". >> >> Yes It's supported by hostusb hook, > But this needs access to the host to list what what devices are installed. > I have used once vSphere, and it allows to select which device to attach, > I guess it would be nice to have this in future releases . > > >> kind regards >> >> Sven >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) >> >> iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJUFNv1AAoJEAq0kGAWDrqlNpgMAMgPo9QqH0aiqE0bMsmvXDbM >> R/gbK2+OteDGKgA7m4nvUIw5dzQ1X5a07+q51JoSRaUrJ3MxbA/y2lni9LG6ObyM >> 57pY3lwWqn91bS+dwo9bGaDKgdWq3HoHPfo+Wz7LfoHSACpeOgu+j6kWtgm3WcLm >> G3tST1fncLXnWPTQ6SkXaKo5N8G68NrjR2Ih8pFKu+GfeP+0MredKt3d+yHJRrjV >> 9ZtZvsvd4INDKOfVvJmR8MA0NvTSkFvLSBHvJ9gG3k0Umn/htdn9sPgS41Kghz2x >> NV1YX8pr4PmJjanGhFaVAYw2v367tVMgcewa21zZ162Wzh7nzTNOJAtMIfQn+hSG >> 2EGaw0NLFm0grpjITXCp24G1GwVUf3FR2dxt+GdsQ9upEs5605SMlknT6BLmtoJ8 >> 8LCArwEfZ0UgC4T6qOWp7+Sbkcl124qg7abupewL8usKtmnQV00/8pIusx1mtypj >> 4BDAE5Cq4e+U8hiB9nlGJzo1IFnyBszMOQQLunKGow=3D=3D >> =3Dfv56 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > --===============5842333453357604510== Content-Type: text/html MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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boundary="===============1815433057411220532==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jorick Astrego To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:16:50 +0200 Message-ID: <5416AE82.5000903@netbulae.eu> In-Reply-To: 5414A73E.6070101@redhat.com --===============1815433057411220532== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/13/2014 10:21 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/12/2014 04:45 PM, Federico Alberto Sayd wrote: >> On 12/09/14 09:55, Jakub Bittner wrote: >>> ISO upload over web UI. >> +1, Is it so hard to implement such feature? > > well, the tricky part is web ui access the engine, which doesn't = > access the storage, rather the hosts do, so you need to stream it via = > the engine. > good news are vdsm has now upload/download api's which should = > hopefully pave the way for this to materialize. > +1 and don't forget the image uploader over web UI. Kind regards, Jorick Astrego Netbulae --===============1815433057411220532==-- From j.astrego at netbulae.eu Mon Sep 15 05:22:08 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4159345461521189851==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jorick Astrego To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:22:03 +0200 Message-ID: <5416AFBB.80409@netbulae.eu> In-Reply-To: 5414A73E.6070101@redhat.com --===============4159345461521189851== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090503050909000201070906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another one from our list: Log Browser to view, search, and export Logs for troubleshooting http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=3Den_US&= cmd=3DdisplayKC&externalId=3D2032888 Purpose You can view, search, and export one or more vCenter Server and ESXi log files at a time using the log browser. You can also export, manage, and view different log types. I like to use ssh myself (or our log server) but we would like to = severely limit ssh access to the engine. It would be great to have a webGUI log view to do troubleshooting from. = The current events and alerts view is not really practical. Kind regards, Jorick Astrego Netbulae --------------090503050909000201070906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another one from our list:

Log Browser to view, search, and export Logs for troubleshooting
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language= =3Den_US&cmd=3DdisplayKC&externalId=3D2032888

Purpose

You can view, search, and export one or more vCenter Server and ESXi log files at a time using the log browser.

You can also export, manage, and view different log types.

I like to use ssh myself (or our log server) but we would like to severely limit ssh access to the engine.

It would be great to have a webGUI log view to do troubleshooting from. The current events and alerts view is not really practical.

Kind regards,

Jorick Astrego
Netbulae
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Basically give hosted-engine setup the features to configure the appliance = to work well. Especially take care about host+guest side OS level configuration like i.e.= networks. - fabian ----- Original Message ----- > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > = > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >=20 --===============7690385245963371253==-- From daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de Mon Sep 15 08:15:57 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2698799659943293940==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Daniel Helgenberger To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:15:46 +0000 Message-ID: <27e504faf41b486784bcf970e89caf8c@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============2698799659943293940== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, +1 for the iso uploader, +1 for hostusb in UI +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of my list is: - SR-IOV - NPV - VFIO These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to have the same hardware configuration anyway. Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? Thanks, = On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- = Daniel Helgenberger m box bewegtbild GmbH P: +49/30/2408781-22 F: +49/30/2408781-10 ACKERSTR. 19 D-10115 BERLIN www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 --===============2698799659943293940==-- From iheim at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 08:25:12 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6390378555873347233==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:25:07 +0300 Message-ID: <5416DAA3.7080505@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 27e504faf41b486784bcf970e89caf8c@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc --===============6390378555873347233== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? That's available via the neutron integration? --===============6390378555873347233==-- From lpeer at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 08:46:14 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4013504305969220485==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Livnat Peer To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:46:05 +0300 Message-ID: <5416DF8D.5020604@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 27e504faf41b486784bcf970e89caf8c@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc --===============4013504305969220485== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > Hello, > +1 for the iso uploader, > +1 for hostusb in UI > +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) > = > With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of my > list is: > - SR-IOV > - NPV > - VFIO > = > These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to > have the same hardware configuration anyway. > = > Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? > = Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. > Thanks, > = > On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > = --===============4013504305969220485==-- From daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de Mon Sep 15 09:10:35 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2254348274894876474==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Daniel Helgenberger To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:10:28 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5416DF8D.5020604@redhat.com --===============2254348274894876474== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Livnat, On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: > On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >> Hello, >> +1 for the iso uploader, >> +1 for hostusb in UI >> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) >> >> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of my >> list is: >> - SR-IOV >> - NPV >> - VFIO >> >> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to >> have the same hardware configuration anyway. >> >> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? >> > Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via > OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? > also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementing other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree ect. on my switches). I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to run 'plain' oVirt? I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features as it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just' to get OVS?). Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch leaves room for expansion - later on. Thanks! > > >> Thanks, >> = >> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = >>> oVirt 3.6"? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Itamar >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Users mailing list >>> Users(a)ovirt.org >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> > -- = Daniel Helgenberger m box bewegtbild GmbH P: +49/30/2408781-22 F: +49/30/2408781-10 ACKERSTR. 19 D-10115 BERLIN www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 --===============2254348274894876474==-- From iheim at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 09:23:13 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6210599921972615136==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:23:07 +0300 Message-ID: <5416E83B.1030003@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: f6e5f2e1f09b452c836354b3c238cf7e@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc --===============6210599921972615136== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > Hello Livnat, > On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: >> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >>> Hello, >>> +1 for the iso uploader, >>> +1 for hostusb in UI >>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) >>> >>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of my >>> list is: >>> - SR-IOV >>> - NPV >>> - VFIO >>> >>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to >>> have the same hardware configuration anyway. >>> >>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? >>> >> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via >> OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? >> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. > I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain > ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementing > other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing > (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree > ect. on my switches). > > I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those > features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not > wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to run > 'plain' oVirt? that's why we added in 3.5 a standalone, pre-configured, neutron virtual = appliance so you won't need "all of openstack"? > I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features as > it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I > did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle > import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just' > to get OVS?). > > Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch > leaves room for expansion - later on. > > Thanks! >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >>>> oVirt 3.6"? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Itamar >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Users mailing list >>>> Users(a)ovirt.org >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>> >> > --===============6210599921972615136==-- From daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de Mon Sep 15 11:17:23 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5560586389866187330==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Daniel Helgenberger To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:17:20 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5416E83B.1030003@redhat.com --===============5560586389866187330== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15.09.2014 15:23, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >> Hello Livnat, >> On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: >>> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> +1 for the iso uploader, >>>> +1 for hostusb in UI >>>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) >>>> >>>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of = my >>>> list is: >>>> - SR-IOV >>>> - NPV >>>> - VFIO >>>> >>>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to >>>> have the same hardware configuration anyway. >>>> >>>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? >>>> >>> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via >>> OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? >>> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. >> I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain >> ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementing >> other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing >> (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree >> ect. on my switches). >> >> I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those >> features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not >> wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to run >> 'plain' oVirt? > that's why we added in 3.5 a standalone, pre-configured, neutron virtual = > appliance so you won't need "all of openstack"? Witch is certainly nice to have. But this is not the point. IMHO storage and networking are core functions for a virtualization platform. And such a platform will need to reflect the the progress made in general and in particular by the hypervisor monitor (libvirt). I am no developer and can hardly estimate the coding effort and do not want you to redo already working things. But at least in case of Ceph there is the API from libvirt, this is true for all the other things I mentioned, in my naive view they are all variations of the hostusb hook. Certainly I can deploy OVS myself and manage it from CLI, witch is what I do now. But in the end, I would very much like to do this via one integrated GUI, this is why I deploy oVirt (witch I see as a open source counterpart to EXi. Esp. the concept of one engine for management - but not critical for running my VMs.) Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal sledgehammer to crack a nut. Thanks, > >> I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features as >> it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I >> did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle >> import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just' >> to get OVS?). >> >> Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch >> leaves room for expansion - later on. >> >> Thanks! >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >>>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >>>>> oVirt 3.6"? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Itamar >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Users mailing list >>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org >>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>> > -- = Daniel Helgenberger m box bewegtbild GmbH P: +49/30/2408781-22 F: +49/30/2408781-10 ACKERSTR. 19 D-10115 BERLIN www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 --===============5560586389866187330==-- From iheim at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 11:28:12 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8426117281162717072==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:28:04 +0300 Message-ID: <54170584.7050109@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: e0b17e0969a14e56bf4089d840d9fecd@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc --===============8426117281162717072== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 06:17 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > > On 15.09.2014 15:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >> On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >>> Hello Livnat, >>> On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: >>>> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> +1 for the iso uploader, >>>>> +1 for hostusb in UI >>>>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) >>>>> >>>>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of= my >>>>> list is: >>>>> - SR-IOV >>>>> - NPV >>>>> - VFIO >>>>> >>>>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to >>>>> have the same hardware configuration anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? >>>>> >>>> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via >>>> OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? >>>> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. >>> I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain >>> ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementing >>> other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing >>> (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree >>> ect. on my switches). >>> >>> I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those >>> features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not >>> wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to run >>> 'plain' oVirt? >> that's why we added in 3.5 a standalone, pre-configured, neutron virtual >> appliance so you won't need "all of openstack"? > Witch is certainly nice to have. But this is not the point. IMHO storage > and networking are core functions for a virtualization platform. And > such a platform will need to reflect the the progress made in general > and in particular by the hypervisor monitor (libvirt). > I am no developer and can hardly estimate the coding effort and do not > want you to redo already working things. But at least in case of Ceph > there is the API from libvirt, this is true for all the other things I > mentioned, in my naive view they are all variations of the hostusb hook. > Certainly I can deploy OVS myself and manage it from CLI, witch is what > I do now. > > But in the end, I would very much like to do this via one integrated > GUI, this is why I deploy oVirt (witch I see as a open source > counterpart to EXi. Esp. the concept of one engine for management - but > not critical for running my VMs.) > Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted > in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an > external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business > and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and > not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal > sledgehammer to crack a nut. well, we are trying things out, seeing what works, what makes sense, = what does not, etc. yes, ceph is supported by libvirt. the cinder-ceph approach will use = that libvirt functionality. but the "meta data" actions (create disk, = etc.) will be done via engine-cinder-ceph, rather than engine-vdsm-ceph. for both cinder and neutron, the nice thing about them is a very large = ecosystem of 3rd party implementations which are easy to leverage due to = the integration. no, it doesn't mean all features will be done only through neutron or = cinder, but some functionality make more sense there than doing = everything natively. just like doing bare metal provisioning and some = guest provisioning makes more sense through an external provider (we = pushed a foreman integration, someone can contribute another flavor). Same for advanced scheduling - we added integration via optaplanner for = advanced scheduling/load-balancing. > > Thanks, > > >> >>> I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features as >>> it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I >>> did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle >>> import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just' >>> to get OVS?). >>> >>> Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch >>> leaves room for expansion - later on. >>> >>> Thanks! >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >>>>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see = in >>>>>> oVirt 3.6"? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Itamar >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Users mailing list >>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org >>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>>> >> > --===============8426117281162717072==-- From fsayd at uncu.edu.ar Mon Sep 15 14:30:51 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2937160000187003995==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Federico Alberto Sayd To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:30:46 -0300 Message-ID: <54173056.5020908@uncu.edu.ar> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============2937160000187003995== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/09/14 09:22, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Backup frontend through WebUI Progress bar and percent of completion also for snapshots vm cloning and = disk copy Basic vm performance graphs in the WebUI without Reports/DHW --===============2937160000187003995==-- From yzaslavs at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 18:20:17 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7507490325823241022==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Yair Zaslavsky To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <447842214.14481886.1410819616683.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============7507490325823241022== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Switch our providers (i.e - neutron) to extapi based extensions. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Itamar Heim" > To: users(a)ovirt.org > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:22:41 PM > Subject: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > = > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > = > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >=20 --===============7507490325823241022==-- From lpeer at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 03:17:42 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4934003198839211548==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Livnat Peer To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:17:34 +0300 Message-ID: <5417E40E.4070809@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: f6e5f2e1f09b452c836354b3c238cf7e@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc --===============4934003198839211548== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > Hello Livnat, > On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: >> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >>> Hello, >>> +1 for the iso uploader, >>> +1 for hostusb in UI >>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) >>> >>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of my >>> list is: >>> - SR-IOV >>> - NPV >>> - VFIO >>> >>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to >>> have the same hardware configuration anyway. >>> >>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? >>> >> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via >> OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? >> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. > I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain > ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementing > other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing > (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree > ect. on my switches). > = > I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those > features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not > wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to run > 'plain' oVirt? > I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features as > it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I > did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle > import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just' > to get OVS?). > = > Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch > leaves room for expansion - later on. > = > Thanks! Hi Daniel, We did a lot of work in VDSM to make it more pluggable. part of it was to extract the LB specific implementation to a configurator which enables adding support to OVS. Take a look at - http://www.ovirt.org/Feature/NetworkReloaded#Network_configurators We did not implement the OVS configurator, but it's an option we should look into. It would help if you can specify concrete work that you are doing with OVS, is it just a general, traditional work or are you using the flows in OVS, other? Livnat >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> = >>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = >>>> oVirt 3.6"? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Itamar >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Users mailing list >>>> Users(a)ovirt.org >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>> >> > = --===============4934003198839211548==-- From plysab at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 03:44:39 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0786807358132280718==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: plysan To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:44:38 +0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============0786807358132280718== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Export vm snapshot to export domain separately, so that vm can be exported more efficiently if vm has taken a new snapshot 2014-09-12 20:22 GMT+08:00 Itamar Heim : > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============0786807358132280718== Content-Type: text/html MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+RXhwb3J0IHZtIHNuYXBzaG90IHRvIGV4cG9ydCBkb21haW4gc2VwYXJh dGVseSwgc28gdGhhdCB2bSBjYW4gYmUgZXhwb3J0ZWQgbW9yZSBlZmZpY2llbnRseSBpZiB2bSBo YXMgdGFrZW4gYSBuZXcgc25hcHNob3Q8ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9leHRyYSI+PGJyPjxkaXYg Y2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIj4yMDE0LTA5LTEyIDIwOjIyIEdNVCswODowMCBJdGFtYXIgSGVp bSA8c3BhbiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+Jmx0OzxhIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzppaGVpbUByZWRoYXQuY29tIiB0 YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aWhlaW1AcmVkaGF0LmNvbTwvYT4mZ3Q7PC9zcGFuPjo8YnI+PGJsb2Nr cXVvdGUgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIiBzdHlsZT0ibWFyZ2luOjBweCAwcHggMHB4IDAuOGV4 O2JvcmRlci1sZWZ0LXdpZHRoOjFweDtib3JkZXItbGVmdC1jb2xvcjpyZ2IoMjA0LDIwNCwyMDQp O2JvcmRlci1sZWZ0LXN0eWxlOnNvbGlkO3BhZGRpbmctbGVmdDoxZXgiPldpdGggb1ZpcnQgMy41 IG5lYXJpbmcgR0EsIHRpbWUgdG8gYXNrIGZvciAmcXVvdDt3aGF0IGRvIHlvdSB3YW50IHRvIHNl ZSBpbiBvVmlydCAzLjYmcXVvdDs/PGJyPgo8YnI+ClRoYW5rcyw8YnI+CsKgIMKgSXRhbWFyPGJy PgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX188dT48L3U+X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX188 YnI+ClVzZXJzIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdDxicj4KPGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOlVzZXJzQG92aXJ0Lm9y ZyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPlVzZXJzQG92aXJ0Lm9yZzwvYT48YnI+CjxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6 Ly9saXN0cy5vdmlydC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby91c2VycyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsi Pmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5vdmlydC5vcmcvPHU+PC91Pm1haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vdXNlcnM8L2E+ PGJyPgo8L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PC9kaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2Pgo= --===============0786807358132280718==-- From stirabos at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 10:06:58 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5666002938333952445==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simone Tiraboschi To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1890746233.5696411.1410876417568.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============5666002938333952445== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Itamar Heim" > To: users(a)ovirt.org > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:22:41 PM > Subject: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > = > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? Personally I'd like to see a more complete and enterprise grade PKI infrast= ructure. Now PKI stuff is simply handled on the engine host via CLI tools, I'd like = to have a set of APIs to locally or remotely access PKI infrastructure to s= ubmit and handle certificate signing requests, cert revocation list and so = on. It could also expose a human interface within the web administration applic= ation. It could be developed from scratch or got integrating another project like = fedora dogatg [1] It's something we already discussed in the past [2] ciao, Simone [1] http://pki.fedoraproject.org/wiki/PKI_Main_Page [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1134219 --===============5666002938333952445==-- From asegurap at redhat.com Tue Sep 16 10:20:53 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0852669941723589565==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Antoni Segura Puimedon To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:20:47 -0400 Message-ID: <2144244063.24398489.1410877247876.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: e0b17e0969a14e56bf4089d840d9fecd@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc --===============0852669941723589565== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Helgenberger" > To: "Itamar Heim" , "Livnat Peer" > Cc: users(a)ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 5:17:20 PM > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > = > = > On 15.09.2014 15:23, Itamar Heim wrote: > > On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > >> Hello Livnat, > >> On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: > >>> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > >>>> Hello, > >>>> +1 for the iso uploader, > >>>> +1 for hostusb in UI > >>>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) > >>>> > >>>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top o= f my > >>>> list is: > >>>> - SR-IOV > >>>> - NPV > >>>> - VFIO > >>>> > >>>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to > >>>> have the same hardware configuration anyway. > >>>> > >>>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? > >>>> > >>> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via > >>> OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? > >>> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. > >> I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain > >> ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementi= ng > >> other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing > >> (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree > >> ect. on my switches). > >> > >> I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those > >> features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not > >> wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to r= un > >> 'plain' oVirt? > > that's why we added in 3.5 a standalone, pre-configured, neutron virtual > > appliance so you won't need "all of openstack"? > Witch is certainly nice to have. But this is not the point. IMHO storage > and networking are core functions for a virtualization platform. And > such a platform will need to reflect the the progress made in general > and in particular by the hypervisor monitor (libvirt). > I am no developer and can hardly estimate the coding effort and do not > want you to redo already working things. But at least in case of Ceph > there is the API from libvirt, this is true for all the other things I > mentioned, in my naive view they are all variations of the hostusb hook. > Certainly I can deploy OVS myself and manage it from CLI, witch is what > I do now. Could you share how you set it up, i.e., how you map networks to ovs and everything that you configure? Depending on the size, making a vdsm configurator for it would not be that difficult (and the fine tunning could come with hooks). > = > But in the end, I would very much like to do this via one integrated > GUI, this is why I deploy oVirt (witch I see as a open source > counterpart to EXi. Esp. the concept of one engine for management - but > not critical for running my VMs.) > Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted > in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an > external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business > and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and > not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal > sledgehammer to crack a nut. > = > Thanks, > > = > > > >> I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features = as > >> it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I > >> did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle > >> import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just' > >> to get OVS?). > >> > >> Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch > >> leaves room for expansion - later on. > >> > >> Thanks! > >>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: > >>>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see= in > >>>>> oVirt 3.6"? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Itamar > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Users mailing list > >>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org > >>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>> > > > = > -- > Daniel Helgenberger > m box bewegtbild GmbH > = > P: +49/30/2408781-22 > F: +49/30/2408781-10 > = > ACKERSTR. 19 > D-10115 BERLIN > = > = > www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv > = > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner > Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 > = > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >=20 --===============0852669941723589565==-- From daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de Tue Sep 16 12:06:55 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0523353292448577999==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Daniel Helgenberger To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:06:51 +0000 Message-ID: <131e7b52e3c3498f812275f3a6daae4e@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc> In-Reply-To: 5417E40E.4070809@redhat.com --===============0523353292448577999== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16.09.2014 09:17, Livnat Peer wrote: > On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >> Hello Livnat, >> On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: >>> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> +1 for the iso uploader, >>>> +1 for hostusb in UI >>>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) >>>> >>>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of = my >>>> list is: >>>> - SR-IOV >>>> - NPV >>>> - VFIO >>>> >>>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to >>>> have the same hardware configuration anyway. >>>> >>>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? >>>> >>> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via >>> OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? >>> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. >> I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain >> ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementing >> other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing >> (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree >> ect. on my switches). >> >> I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those >> features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not >> wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to run >> 'plain' oVirt? >> I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features as >> it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I >> did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle >> import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just' >> to get OVS?). >> >> Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch >> leaves room for expansion - later on. >> >> Thanks! > Hi Daniel, > > We did a lot of work in VDSM to make it more pluggable. part of it was > to extract the LB specific implementation to a configurator which > enables adding support to OVS. Take a look at - > > http://www.ovirt.org/Feature/NetworkReloaded#Network_configurators > > We did not implement the OVS configurator, but it's an option we should > look into. > > It would help if you can specify concrete work that you are doing with > OVS, is it just a general, traditional work or are you using the flows > in OVS, other? > > > Livnat Hello Livnat, sorry for the delay. great to hear. I just read through NetworksReloaded - I think I already stumbled over this wiki page a while back. There was also a wiki page - OVS integration in Ovirt, from a student wanting to write his theses (couldn't find it any more). Right now I do 'traditional' work with OVS; if you count things like QinQ (I need this for some transparent firewalling). Recently we I got a new backbone switch witch supports OpenFlow. I am in the middle of a network redesign and would like implement this (but not doing so right now). In the end my goal is to get nearer to the ideal single point of administration. Ovirt satisfies most of my needs there and I will deploy it in our new infra (I am still evaling proxmox vs ovirt vs esxi). Do I need OpenFlow and / or OVS to get things working? Certainly not. As I mentioned, I can also do the same with SR-IOV together with plain switch management CLI. I just want to use some more 'advanced' things I cannot do with linux bridge. Also, if done right things tend to grow - in the near future there will be more need for some advanced features (otherwise nobody would buy managed switches). Also, Proxmox and ESXi have implemented 'real' managed switches (OVS, Cisco). Having you look into the matter for 3.6 is all I hoped for! Cheers, >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> = >>>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >>>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see i= n = >>>>> oVirt 3.6"? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Itamar >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Users mailing list >>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org >>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>> > -- = Daniel Helgenberger m box bewegtbild GmbH P: +49/30/2408781-22 F: +49/30/2408781-10 ACKERSTR. 19 D-10115 BERLIN www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 --===============0523353292448577999==-- From daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de Tue Sep 16 12:40:02 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0693140592435504441==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Daniel Helgenberger To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:39:57 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 2144244063.24398489.1410877247876.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com --===============0693140592435504441== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16.09.2014 16:20, Antoni Segura Puimedon wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Daniel Helgenberger" >> To: "Itamar Heim" , "Livnat Peer" >> Cc: users(a)ovirt.org >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 5:17:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning >> >> >> On 15.09.2014 15:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >>> On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >>>> Hello Livnat, >>>> On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: >>>>> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> +1 for the iso uploader, >>>>>> +1 for hostusb in UI >>>>>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) >>>>>> >>>>>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top o= f my >>>>>> list is: >>>>>> - SR-IOV >>>>>> - NPV >>>>>> - VFIO >>>>>> >>>>>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to >>>>>> have the same hardware configuration anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? >>>>>> >>>>> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via >>>>> OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? >>>>> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. >>>> I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain >>>> ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementi= ng >>>> other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing >>>> (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree >>>> ect. on my switches). >>>> >>>> I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those >>>> features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not >>>> wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to r= un >>>> 'plain' oVirt? >>> that's why we added in 3.5 a standalone, pre-configured, neutron virtual >>> appliance so you won't need "all of openstack"? >> Witch is certainly nice to have. But this is not the point. IMHO storage >> and networking are core functions for a virtualization platform. And >> such a platform will need to reflect the the progress made in general >> and in particular by the hypervisor monitor (libvirt). >> I am no developer and can hardly estimate the coding effort and do not >> want you to redo already working things. But at least in case of Ceph >> there is the API from libvirt, this is true for all the other things I >> mentioned, in my naive view they are all variations of the hostusb hook. >> Certainly I can deploy OVS myself and manage it from CLI, witch is what >> I do now. >> Could you share how you set it up, i.e., how you map networks to ovs >> and everything that you configure? Depending on the size, making a >> vdsm configurator for it would not be that difficult (and the fine >> tunning could come with hooks). Hello Antoni, I see this was very misleading, sorry. With the phrase 'witch is what I do now' I literally meant 'right now' witch is not (yet) oVirt/vdsm but plain libvirt / virsh / virt-manager. Since libvirt supports OVS directly; I just use in my network xml; then define VLANs and QoS with ovs-vsctl cli. So I am used to OVS management and the flexibility it offers. I was also trying to mangle things in oVirt - but I could not get OVS to work with oVirt managed bridges and gave up (since I cannot use such 'hacks' in production environments, company and my own policy). Thanks! PS: I hope I made myself clear in my last mails, OVS is not the 'killer' feature witch decides whatever I deploy oVirt or not. Linux bridge and libvirt network QoS are well tested. But I will surely miss some things later on I cannot do directly. What I do with it and what I use it currently for - please refer to my mail to Livnat. > >> But in the end, I would very much like to do this via one integrated >> GUI, this is why I deploy oVirt (witch I see as a open source >> counterpart to EXi. Esp. the concept of one engine for management - but >> not critical for running my VMs.) >> Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted >> in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an >> external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business >> and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and >> not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal >> sledgehammer to crack a nut. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >>>> I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features = as >>>> it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I >>>> did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle >>>> import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just' >>>> to get OVS?). >>>> >>>> Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch >>>> leaves room for expansion - later on. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >>>>>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see= in >>>>>>> oVirt 3.6"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Itamar >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Users mailing list >>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org >>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>>>> >> -- >> Daniel Helgenberger >> m box bewegtbild GmbH >> >> P: +49/30/2408781-22 >> F: +49/30/2408781-10 >> >> ACKERSTR. 19 >> D-10115 BERLIN >> >> >> www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv >> >> Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner >> Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> -- = Daniel Helgenberger m box bewegtbild GmbH P: +49/30/2408781-22 F: +49/30/2408781-10 ACKERSTR. 19 D-10115 BERLIN www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 --===============0693140592435504441==-- From hypunit at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 21:34:49 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6757768401674278097==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Punit Dambiwal To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:34:48 +0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: c8b6b3ec17f34add8eb888d95b1af178@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc --===============6757768401674278097== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Also can add multiple ips to a single (VNIC) network interface...on Guest VM... Thanks, Punit On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Daniel Helgenberger < daniel.helgenberger(a)m-box.de> wrote: > > On 16.09.2014 16:20, Antoni Segura Puimedon wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Daniel Helgenberger" > >> To: "Itamar Heim" , "Livnat Peer" > >> Cc: users(a)ovirt.org > >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 5:17:20 PM > >> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > >> > >> > >> On 15.09.2014 15:23, Itamar Heim wrote: > >>> On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > >>>> Hello Livnat, > >>>> On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote: > >>>>> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > >>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>> +1 for the iso uploader, > >>>>>> +1 for hostusb in UI > >>>>>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top > of my > >>>>>> list is: > >>>>>> - SR-IOV > >>>>>> - NPV > >>>>>> - VFIO > >>>>>> > >>>>>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need = to > >>>>>> have the same hardware configuration anyway. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? > >>>>>> > >>>>> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via > >>>>> OpenVswitch (=3DOVS)? > >>>>> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS. > >>>> I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while > plain > >>>> ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe > implementing > >>>> other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thi= ng > >>>> (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree > >>>> ect. on my switches). > >>>> > >>>> I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those > >>>> features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do > not > >>>> wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to > run > >>>> 'plain' oVirt? > >>> that's why we added in 3.5 a standalone, pre-configured, neutron > virtual > >>> appliance so you won't need "all of openstack"? > >> Witch is certainly nice to have. But this is not the point. IMHO stora= ge > >> and networking are core functions for a virtualization platform. And > >> such a platform will need to reflect the the progress made in general > >> and in particular by the hypervisor monitor (libvirt). > >> I am no developer and can hardly estimate the coding effort and do not > >> want you to redo already working things. But at least in case of Ceph > >> there is the API from libvirt, this is true for all the other things I > >> mentioned, in my naive view they are all variations of the hostusb hoo= k. > >> Certainly I can deploy OVS myself and manage it from CLI, witch is what > >> I do now. > >> Could you share how you set it up, i.e., how you map networks to ovs > >> and everything that you configure? Depending on the size, making a > >> vdsm configurator for it would not be that difficult (and the fine > >> tunning could come with hooks). > Hello Antoni, > I see this was very misleading, sorry. With the phrase 'witch is what > I do now' I literally meant 'right now' witch is not (yet) oVirt/vdsm > but plain libvirt / virsh / virt-manager. > > Since libvirt supports OVS directly; I just use type=3D'openvswitch'/> in my network xml; then define VLANs and QoS with > ovs-vsctl cli. So I am used to OVS management and the flexibility it > offers. > I was also trying to mangle things in oVirt - but I could not get OVS to > work with oVirt managed bridges and gave up (since I cannot use such > 'hacks' in production environments, company and my own policy). > > Thanks! > > PS: I hope I made myself clear in my last mails, OVS is not the 'killer' > feature witch decides whatever I deploy oVirt or not. Linux bridge and > libvirt network QoS are well tested. But I will surely miss some things > later on I cannot do directly. What I do with it and what I use it > currently for - please refer to my mail to Livnat. > > > > >> But in the end, I would very much like to do this via one integrated > >> GUI, this is why I deploy oVirt (witch I see as a open source > >> counterpart to EXi. Esp. the concept of one engine for management - b= ut > >> not critical for running my VMs.) > >> Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted > >> in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an > >> external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business > >> and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and > >> not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal > >> sledgehammer to crack a nut. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> < > http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/to+take+a+sledgehammer+to+crack+a+nut= .html > > > >> > >>>> I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features > as > >>>> it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. > I > >>>> did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle > >>>> import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'jus= t' > >>>> to get OVS?). > >>>> > >>>> Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch > >>>> leaves room for expansion - later on. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: > >>>>>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to > see in > >>>>>>> oVirt 3.6"? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> Itamar > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Users mailing list > >>>>>>> Users(a)ovirt.org > >>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>>>> > >> -- > >> Daniel Helgenberger > >> m box bewegtbild GmbH > >> > >> P: +49/30/2408781-22 > >> F: +49/30/2408781-10 > >> > >> ACKERSTR. 19 > >> D-10115 BERLIN > >> > >> > >> www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv > >> > >> Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6lln= er > >> Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Users mailing list > >> Users(a)ovirt.org > >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >> > > -- > Daniel Helgenberger > m box bewegtbild GmbH > > P: +49/30/2408781-22 > F: +49/30/2408781-10 > > ACKERSTR. 19 > D-10115 BERLIN > > > www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv > > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner > Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > 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[RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:40:47 +0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5414A73E.6070101@redhat.com --===============9072790582512900217== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-09-14 4:21 GMT+08:00 Itamar Heim : > On 09/12/2014 04:45 PM, Federico Alberto Sayd wrote: > >> On 12/09/14 09:55, Jakub Bittner wrote: >> >>> ISO upload over web UI. >>> >> +1, Is it so hard to implement such feature? >> > > well, the tricky part is web ui access the engine, which doesn't access > the storage, rather the hosts do, so you need to stream it via the engine. > good news are vdsm has now upload/download api's which should hopefully > pave the way for this to materialize. another problem is upload large file( usually over 2G ) in web pages. my thoughs on this is to split large file in small chunks and merge it on server( engine side ) there are paid software available like PLupload but we may implement by ourselves, 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While it's cool you can integrate ovirt with openstack I don't think it should be necessary when you want certain features. Because, like Daniel wrote: Why should I install ovirt if I need multiple openstack components anyway? I could just go on and deploy openstack and not use ovirt? But I also have the same opinion as Daniel: openstack ist "too big" to deploy for traditional vm workloads. So it would be much appreciated if this questions could get answered. On 15/09/14 17:17, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted > in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an > external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business > and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and > not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal > sledgehammer to crack a nut. -- = Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards Sven Kieske Systemadministrator Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. KG K=C3=B6nigsberger Stra=C3=9Fe 6 32339 Espelkamp T: +49-5772-293-100 F: +49-5772-293-333 https://www.mittwald.de Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Robert Meyer St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad Oeynhausen Komplement=C3=A4rin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG Bad Oeynh= ausen --===============2253253197307472971==-- From blanchet at abes.fr Wed Sep 17 06:56:47 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8415851673750904406==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?utf-8?q?Nathana=C3=ABl_Blanchet_=3Cblanchet_at_abes=2Efr=3E?= To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:56:45 +0200 Message-ID: <541968ED.2060404@abes.fr> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============8415851673750904406== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what about LXC integration? Le 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim a =C3=A9crit : > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --===============8415851673750904406==-- From j.astrego at netbulae.eu Wed Sep 17 11:34:01 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2961578061530689722==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jorick Astrego To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:33:57 +0200 Message-ID: <5419A9E5.8080403@netbulae.eu> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============2961578061530689722== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080507040808090903050208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 09/12/2014 02:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in = > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users Some "little things": nfsv4 support (http://www.ovirt.org/Features/NFSv4) libgfapi drbd support (http://www.ovirt.org/Features/DRBD) Some concepts from IBM PowerHA look interesting: I don't know if the term is correct but we'd like to be able to group vm's together and create dependency's between them. Something like, first start the database vm then the authentication vm and last the webserver vm. /resource groups (http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPHQG_7.1.0/com.ibm= .powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_cluster_resources.htm)/ //Resource groups/allow you to combine related resources into a single logical entity for easier configuration and management. The//PowerHA SystemMirror//software handles the resource group as a unit, thus keeping the interdependent resources together on one node and keeping them highly available./ // * /Identifying the set of cluster resources that are essential to the operation of an application, and combining those resources into a resource group./ * /Defining the resource group policies and attributes that dictate how////PowerHA SystemMirror////manages resources to keep them highly available at different stages of cluster operation (startup, fallover and fallback)./ /By identifying resources and defining resource group policies, the////PowerHA SystemMirror////software makes numerous cluster configurations possible, providing tremendous flexibility in defining a cluster environment tailored to individual requirements. / We would also like to be able to split a cluster between two racks or DC's /linked clusters/ /http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/api/content/SSPHQG_7= .1.0/com.ibm.powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_multi_linked.htm/ /A linked cluster is ideal for situations where each site is located at a different geographical location. Typically, the sites are far enough apart so that they cannot conveniently share a common storage area network (SAN). Each site must have its own active repository disk, and any backup repositories. Linked clusters always use unicast to communicate between sites. Linked clusters are a useful part of high availability disaster recovery (HADR)./ We are currently developing a benchmarking system for ovirt and test failover stuff by hand. Something like this would save people a lot of time /Cluster test tool/ /http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPHQG_7.1.0/com.ibm= .powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_test_tool.htm/ /The Cluster Test Tool is a utility that lets you test a////PowerHA=C2=AE SystemMirror=C2=AE////cluster configuration to e= valuate how a cluster behaves under a set of specified circumstances, such as when a node becomes inaccessible, a network becomes inaccessible, a resource group moves from one node to another, and so forth./ /You can start the test, let it run unattended, and return later to evaluate the results of your testing./ /If you want to run an automated suite of basic cluster tests for topology and resource group management, you can run the automated test suite from SMIT. 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On 09/12/2014 02:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:

Wi= th oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in oVirt 3.6"?

Thanks,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Itamar
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users(a)ovirt.org
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Some "little things":

nfsv4 support (http://www.ovirt.org/Features/NFSv4= )

libgfapi

drbd support (http://www.ovirt.org/Features/DRBD)

Some concepts from IBM PowerHA look interesting:

I don't know if the term is correct but we'd like to be able to group vm's together and create dependency's between them. Something like, first start the database vm then the authentication vm and last the webserver vm.

resource groups=C2=A0 (http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPHQG_7.1.0/com= .ibm.powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_cluster_resources.htm)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Resource groups=C2=A0allow you to com= bine related resources into a single logical entity for easier configuration and management. ThePowerHA SystemMirror=C2=A0software handles= the resource group as a unit, thus keeping the interdependent resources together on one node and keeping them highly available.

Identifying the set of cluster resources that are essential to the operation of an application, and combining those resources into a resource group.

Defining the resource group policies and attributes that dictate how=C2=A0PowerHA SystemMirror=C2=A0manages resources to keep them highly available at different stages of cluster operation (startup, fallover and fallback).

By identifying resources and defining resource group policies, the=C2=A0PowerHA SystemMirror=C2=A0software makes numerous cluster configurations possible, providing tremendous flexibility in defining a cluster environment tailored to individual requirements.

We would also like to be able to split a cluster between two racks or DC's
linked clusters
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter= /api/content/SSPHQG_7.1.0/com.ibm.powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_multi_linked= .htm
A linked cluster is ideal for situations where each site is located at a different geographical location. Typically, the sites are far enough apart so that they cannot conveniently share a common storage area network (SAN). Each site must have its own active repository disk, and any backup repositories. Linked clusters always use unicast to communicate between sites. Linked clusters are a useful part of high availability disaster recovery (HADR).

We are currently developing a benchmarking system for ovirt and test failover stuff by hand. Something like this would save people a lot of time
Cluster test tool
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPHQG_7.1.0/c= om.ibm.powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_test_tool.htm

The Cluster Test Tool is a utility that lets you test a=C2=A0PowerHA=C2=AE SystemMirror=C2=AE= =C2=A0cluster configuration to evaluate how a cluster behaves under a set of specified circumstances, such as when a node becomes inaccessible, a network becomes inaccessible, a resource group moves from one node to another, and so forth.

You can start the test, let it run unattended, and return later to evaluate the results of your testing.

If you want to run an automated suite of basic cluster tests for topology and resource group management, you can run the automated test suite from SMIT. If you are an experienced=C2=A0PowerHA SystemMirroradministrator and want to tailor cluster testing to your environment, you can also create custom tests that can be run from SMIT.

It is recommended to run the tool after you initially configure=C2=A0PowerHA SystemMirror=C2=A0and bef= ore you put your cluster into a production environment; after you make cluster configuration changes while the cluster is out of service; or at regular intervals even though the cluster appears to be functioning well.

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multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9077230696728473589==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jorick Astrego To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:43:04 +0200 Message-ID: <541A9B18.1090600@netbulae.eu> In-Reply-To: 5419AB66.6030601@redhat.com --===============9077230696728473589== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/17/2014 05:40 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/17/2014 06:33 PM, Jorick Astrego wrote: >> nfsv4 support (http://www.ovirt.org/Features/NFSv4) > > what's missing today? Ah yes, I see it is in there already. It uses v3 as default and I = haven't used nfs as storage domain in a while. Now I have to use it in an environment. Kind regards, Jorick Astrego Netbulae --===============9077230696728473589==-- From rstory at tislabs.com Thu Sep 18 11:35:20 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4882678201278977369==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Story To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:35:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20140918113518.1a26b198@ispx.vb.futz.org> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============4882678201278977369== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Sig_/ph7wdbEWM81ldpsB+gHGYeJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:22:41 +0300 Itamar wrote: IH> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in= =3D =3D20 IH> oVirt 3.6"? I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a 'storage agent' to run on storage domains, which could perform some operations more optimally that the current system. For example, exporting/importing domains currently reads the whole VM image over the network, then writes it back. In my case, my storage is all located on the smae NFS server, which could simply do an OS copy locally, instead of reading/writing gigabytes over the network. I don't know if other storage type could perform similar optimizations Robert --=3D20 Senior Software Engineer @ Parsons --Sig_/ph7wdbEWM81ldpsB+gHGYeJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=3Dsignature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=3Dsignature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlQa+7YACgkQ7/fVLLY1mnhskgCcDiHE5eea4PC1kmNGWhtVKgLI fPsAn15Afo7JhEPU03IncSzW7bYgOi+9 =3DyttF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/ph7wdbEWM81ldpsB+gHGYeJ-- --===============4882678201278977369== Content-Type: multipart/signed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.bin" LS1TaWdfL3BoN3dkYkVXTTgxbGRwc0IrZ0hHWWVKCkNvbnRlbnQtVHlwZTogdGV4dC9wbGFpbjsg Y2hhcnNldD1VUy1BU0NJSQpDb250ZW50LVRyYW5zZmVyLUVuY29kaW5nOiBxdW90ZWQtcHJpbnRh YmxlCgpPbiBGcmksIDEyIFNlcCAyMDE0IDE1OjIyOjQxICswMzAwIEl0YW1hciB3cm90ZToKSUg+ IFdpdGggb1ZpcnQgMy41IG5lYXJpbmcgR0EsIHRpbWUgdG8gYXNrIGZvciAid2hhdCBkbyB5b3Ug d2FudCB0byBzZWUgaW49Cj0yMApJSD4gb1ZpcnQgMy42Ij8KCkkndmUgYWx3YXlzIHRob3VnaHQg aXQgd291bGQgYmUgYSBnb29kIGlkZWEgdG8gaGF2ZSBhICdzdG9yYWdlIGFnZW50JyB0bwpydW4g b24gc3RvcmFnZSBkb21haW5zLCB3aGljaCBjb3VsZCBwZXJmb3JtIHNvbWUgb3BlcmF0aW9ucyBt b3JlIG9wdGltYWxseQp0aGF0IHRoZSBjdXJyZW50IHN5c3RlbS4gRm9yIGV4YW1wbGUsIGV4cG9y dGluZy9pbXBvcnRpbmcgZG9tYWlucyBjdXJyZW50bHkKcmVhZHMgdGhlIHdob2xlIFZNIGltYWdl IG92ZXIgdGhlIG5ldHdvcmssIHRoZW4gd3JpdGVzIGl0IGJhY2suIEluIG15IGNhc2UsCm15IHN0 b3JhZ2UgaXMgYWxsIGxvY2F0ZWQgb24gdGhlIHNtYWUgTkZTIHNlcnZlciwgd2hpY2ggY291bGQg c2ltcGx5IGRvIGFuCk9TIGNvcHkgbG9jYWxseSwgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiByZWFkaW5nL3dyaXRpbmcg Z2lnYWJ5dGVzIG92ZXIgdGhlIG5ldHdvcmsuIEkKZG9uJ3Qga25vdyBpZiBvdGhlciBzdG9yYWdl IHR5cGUgY291bGQgcGVyZm9ybSBzaW1pbGFyIG9wdGltaXphdGlvbnMKCgpSb2JlcnQKCi0tPTIw ClNlbmlvciBTb2Z0d2FyZSBFbmdpbmVlciBAIFBhcnNvbnMKCi0tU2lnXy9waDd3ZGJFV004MWxk cHNCK2dIR1llSgpDb250ZW50LVR5cGU6IGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uL3BncC1zaWduYXR1cmU7IG5hbWU9 c2lnbmF0dXJlLmFzYwpDb250ZW50LURpc3Bvc2l0aW9uOiBhdHRhY2htZW50OyBmaWxlbmFtZT1z aWduYXR1cmUuYXNjCgotLS0tLUJFR0lOIFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQpWZXJzaW9uOiBHbnVQ RyB2MgoKaUVZRUFSRUNBQVlGQWxRYSs3WUFDZ2tRNy9mVkxMWTFtbmhza2dDY0RpSEU1ZWVhNFBD MWttTkdXaHRWS2dMSQpmUHNBbjE1QWZvN0poRVBVMDNJbmNTelc3YllnT2krOQo9eXR0RgotLS0t LUVORCBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KCi0tU2lnXy9waDd3ZGJFV004MWxkcHNCK2dIR1llSi0t Cg== --===============4882678201278977369==-- From s.kieske at mittwald.de Thu Sep 18 11:44:11 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5780923636688684202==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Sven Kieske To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:44:06 +0200 Message-ID: <541AFDC6.4050204@mittwald.de> In-Reply-To: 20140918113518.1a26b198@ispx.vb.futz.org --===============5780923636688684202== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +1! (don't know if an "agent" is needed but this situation occurs quite often ) On 18/09/14 17:35, Robert Story wrote: > I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a 'storage > agent' to run on storage domains, which could perform some > operations more optimally that the current system. For example, > exporting/importing domains currently reads the whole VM image over > the network, then writes it back. In my case, my storage is all > located on the smae NFS server, which could simply do an OS copy > locally, instead of reading/writing gigabytes over the network. I = > don't know if other storage type could perform similar > optimizations - -- = Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards Sven Kieske Systemadministrator Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. KG K=C3=B6nigsberger Stra=C3=9Fe 6 32339 Espelkamp T: +49-5772-293-100 F: +49-5772-293-333 https://www.mittwald.de Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Robert Meyer St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad Oeynhausen Komplement=C3=A4rin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG Bad Oeynhausen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUGv3GAAoJEC5d3lL7/I9zZrYQAJf4ZNnwhLjFKSDWpQIh74Bh 1vg7jJq1rUgLiuyDSti8Rzb+3OkotnpZZb9idVTkU9ghKThBpTqccGNJ5amAwSnR QHHwA7228P9QZRth+6EjSn1iNPHsB3SffteKtToGJNkNB42exRwU6T7Dy6Dteo8V Xc4MCP1/H62Oda0SNid0xPmasFeYLM0KZlaVq6gXjrBF+eiOTs/Eko1y+HSA3aqR ksiXlhLL8RKbjCp5z3dAKxIzrF1aghkobFP9+KGWWTp3TEnQ0L8v4twzuUcOdF0r AX3C6VlKYlSqRhASWeOQyhIAmUVCaZcYf7jYsxS0aejuyk0P1E/0Of3UoR04DLPo v/rzQwEl6caQOEBzHfHh6aOY3FaX6FDUeaRdam3QxBovIwFyIWVblIkV32tZf4wN K9UermE47LzKztXeKFUF7lNfJtnaOEfw2EZEcFUc5nQ4rPoXiZdgY2dgFJTryIQ2 ZG4krnzEAFkSg6BAwYOM/WauyU1fb5mgaBW3xGIR1+VbsMJBc5kXwBnoVO8vLCle EH6MpvS9ud+1/plEDGTRNuiNMqf8tA0vHNVo9OJ44SAb689CXzSTKf0m0y6FdZWh hfHxJVM7JU5truVNd0pb9eOts11ZmSW15yqDluFMBoXrjQ4jPO+WSbFEzIo6h0G5 /p/Ttzv/iNb9oHyYmyhk =3De1Jm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --===============5780923636688684202==-- From mail at johankooijman.com Thu Sep 18 11:59:15 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2952573261338748209==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Johan Kooijman To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:59:13 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 541AFDC6.4050204@mittwald.de --===============2952573261338748209== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 ! For those legacy storage systems that need it. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Sven Kieske wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > +1! (don't know if an "agent" is needed but this situation occurs > quite often ) > > On 18/09/14 17:35, Robert Story wrote: > > I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a 'storage > > agent' to run on storage domains, which could perform some > > operations more optimally that the current system. For example, > > exporting/importing domains currently reads the whole VM image over > > the network, then writes it back. In my case, my storage is all > > located on the smae NFS server, which could simply do an OS copy > > locally, instead of reading/writing gigabytes over the network. I > > don't know if other storage type could perform similar > > optimizations > > - -- > Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards > > Sven Kieske > > Systemadministrator > Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. 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boundary="===============9176267962890589139==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Johan Kooijman To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:49:21 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============9176267962890589139== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a final planning & featurelist yet? On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- = Met vriendelijke groeten / With kind regards, Johan Kooijman --===============9176267962890589139== Content-Type: text/html MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+SXMgdGhlcmUgYSBmaW5hbCBwbGFubmluZyAmYW1wOyBmZWF0dXJlbGlz dCB5ZXQ/PC9kaXY+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfZXh0cmEiPjxicj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFp bF9xdW90ZSI+T24gRnJpLCBTZXAgMTIsIDIwMTQgYXQgMjoyMiBQTSwgSXRhbWFyIEhlaW0gPHNw YW4gZGlyPSJsdHIiPiZsdDs8YSBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86aWhlaW1AcmVkaGF0LmNvbSIgdGFyZ2V0 PSJfYmxhbmsiPmloZWltQHJlZGhhdC5jb208L2E+Jmd0Ozwvc3Bhbj4gd3JvdGU6PGJyPjxibG9j a3F1b3RlIGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9xdW90ZSIgc3R5bGU9Im1hcmdpbjowIDAgMCAuOGV4O2JvcmRl ci1sZWZ0OjFweCAjY2NjIHNvbGlkO3BhZGRpbmctbGVmdDoxZXgiPldpdGggb1ZpcnQgMy41IG5l YXJpbmcgR0EsIHRpbWUgdG8gYXNrIGZvciAmcXVvdDt3aGF0IGRvIHlvdSB3YW50IHRvIHNlZSBp biBvVmlydCAzLjYmcXVvdDs/PGJyPgo8YnI+ClRoYW5rcyw8YnI+CsKgIMKgSXRhbWFyPGJyPgpf X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX188dT48L3U+X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX188YnI+ ClVzZXJzIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdDxicj4KPGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOlVzZXJzQG92aXJ0Lm9yZyIg dGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPlVzZXJzQG92aXJ0Lm9yZzwvYT48YnI+CjxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly9s aXN0cy5vdmlydC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby91c2VycyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0 dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5vdmlydC5vcmcvPHU+PC91Pm1haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vdXNlcnM8L2E+PGJy Pgo8L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+PC9kaXY+PGJyPjxiciBjbGVhcj0iYWxsIj48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj4t LSA8YnI+PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+TWV0IHZyaWVuZGVsaWprZSBncm9ldGVuIC8gV2l0aCBraW5k IHJlZ2FyZHMsPGJyPkpvaGFuIEtvb2lqbWFuPGJyPjwvZGl2Pgo8L2Rpdj4K --===============9176267962890589139==-- From iheim at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 06:51:14 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8063515297470013447==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 06:51:09 -0400 Message-ID: <5444E91D.4090807@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: CAHvs-HWgDmBhT=VWK5u58o0gUOKx56tEfYK1Bfw15kgw2dXEwA@mail.gmail.com --===============8063515297470013447== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/20/2014 06:49 AM, Johan Kooijman wrote: > Is there a final planning & featurelist yet? planned to be in same place: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0AuAtmJW_VMCRdHJ6N1M3d1F1UTJT= S1dSMnZwMF9XWVE&usp=3Dsharing&userstoinvite=3Ddanken(a)gmail.com#gid=3D9 but did not compile from the mailing list thread yet to add things = properly there. > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Itamar Heim > wrote: > > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see > in oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _________________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/__mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten / With kind regards, > Johan Kooijman > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============8063515297470013447==-- From danken at redhat.com Mon Oct 20 11:28:07 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7789239289886593587==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dan Kenigsberg To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:27:59 +0100 Message-ID: <20141020152759.GJ16026@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============7789239289886593587== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 03:22:41PM +0300, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in oV= irt > 3.6"? Back in 3.3 we introduced http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Device_Custom_Properties but Engine exposes them only for vNIC profiles. I'd really like to see custom properties for virtual disks, too. It can be a very simple means to implement Bug 1024428 - [RFE] Allow to specify disk attributes such as error_policy and discard per disk in Web UI and many other trick and tweaks that users may wish to enforce on the vDisks. --===============7789239289886593587==-- From s.kieske at mittwald.de Thu Oct 23 11:23:41 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0208928235819605176==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Sven Kieske To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:23:39 +0200 Message-ID: <54491D7B.5010601@mittwald.de> In-Reply-To: 5412E591.6060900@redhat.com --===============0208928235819605176== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/09/14 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > oVirt 3.6"? > = Please review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1156115 for inclusion in 3.6. maybe it can even be considered to backport this change to 3.5 ? Thanks! -- = Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards Sven Kieske Systemadministrator Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. KG K=C3=B6nigsberger Stra=C3=9Fe 6 32339 Espelkamp T: +49-5772-293-100 F: +49-5772-293-333 https://www.mittwald.de Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Robert Meyer St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad Oeynhausen Komplement=C3=A4rin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG Bad Oeynh= ausen --===============0208928235819605176==-- From iheim at redhat.com Sat Oct 25 19:32:41 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1763078557507492136==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 01:32:36 +0200 Message-ID: <544C3314.50307@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 541953F2.6050205@mittwald.de --===============1763078557507492136== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/17/2014 12:27 PM, Sven Kieske wrote: > Hi, > > I think this question did not get answered so far and I think this is a > crucial point. While it's cool you can integrate ovirt with openstack > I don't think it should be necessary when you want certain features. > > Because, like Daniel wrote: Why should I install ovirt if I need > multiple openstack components anyway? I could just go on and deploy > openstack and not use ovirt? > > But I also have the same opinion as Daniel: openstack ist "too big" > to deploy for traditional vm workloads. > > So it would be much appreciated if this questions could get answered. we are looking at integration in places we think they make sense and = benefit ovirt by opening more options for users. we do try to provide = the openstack services in a virtual appliance to make them easier to = consume. glance - image repo with a default glance.ovirt.org neutron - for opening the ecosystem of SDN network solutions integrating with it future: cinder - for opening the ecosystem of storage providers integrating with it. I don't think currently the other services in openstack are relevant to = ovirt. > > > On 15/09/14 17:17, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: >> Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted >> in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an >> external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business >> and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and >> not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal >> sledgehammer to crack a nut. > --===============1763078557507492136==-- From danken at redhat.com Mon Nov 3 10:39:32 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9186632665785212195==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dan Kenigsberg To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 15:39:29 +0000 Message-ID: <20141103153929.GG31826@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 54158763.9090403@redhat.com --===============9186632665785212195== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 03:17:39PM +0300, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/12/2014 03:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > >With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > >oVirt 3.6"? > > > = > Even the short list of items mentions so far are big features we would ne= ed > to do justice with. > this means probably a slightly longer cycle than the 6 months we currently > do. We're not so good in keeping up with deadlines - our recent 3.5 version slipped for 2.5 months past the original plan. With longer cycles, this is even harder to control. Can we instead break the "heavier" features to smaller phases, that are easier to maintain, and deliver the complete feature in 3.7? > with many of the features requiring way newer versions of some of the > components, I think we should plan for "3.6 cluster" to require an .el7 h= ost > (expecting even 7.1 to be out before we release oVirt 3.6). > = > so i want us to plan for: > - oVirt 3.6 supports .el6 and .el7 hosts in 3.5 cluster (and for fedora > - fc20?) > - oVirt 3.6 supports .el7 in 3.6 cluster (and for fedora - fc21?) --===============9186632665785212195==-- From fdeutsch at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 03:47:47 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0653600699153864707==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Fabian Deutsch To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 03:47:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1118961373.3230464.1415090866162.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 20141103153929.GG31826@redhat.com --===============0653600699153864707== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 03:17:39PM +0300, Itamar Heim wrote: > > On 09/12/2014 03:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > > >With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > > >oVirt 3.6"? > > > > > = > > Even the short list of items mentions so far are big features we would = need > > to do justice with. > > this means probably a slightly longer cycle than the 6 months we curren= tly > > do. > = > We're not so good in keeping up with deadlines - our recent 3.5 version > slipped for 2.5 months past the original plan. With longer cycles, this > is even harder to control. > = > Can we instead break the "heavier" features to smaller phases, that are > easier to maintain, and deliver the complete feature in 3.7? Hey, yep, I think this is a good idea to get control over the big features. - fabian > > with many of the features requiring way newer versions of some of the > > components, I think we should plan for "3.6 cluster" to require an .el7 > > host > > (expecting even 7.1 to be out before we release oVirt 3.6). > > = > > so i want us to plan for: > > - oVirt 3.6 supports .el6 and .el7 hosts in 3.5 cluster (and for fedora > > - fc20?) > > - oVirt 3.6 supports .el7 in 3.6 cluster (and for fedora - fc21?) > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >=20 --===============0653600699153864707==-- From j.astrego at netbulae.eu Wed Nov 5 05:01:32 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0764426192590102861==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jorick Astrego To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:01:28 +0100 Message-ID: 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--===============0764426192590102861==-- From daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de Wed Nov 5 06:04:15 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4811043306086871697==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Daniel Helgenberger To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:04:12 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 1118961373.3230464.1415090866162.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com --===============4811043306086871697== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04.11.2014 09:47, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 03:17:39PM +0300, Itamar Heim wrote: >>> On 09/12/2014 03:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: >>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >>>> oVirt 3.6"? >>>> >>> >>> Even the short list of items mentions so far are big features we would = need >>> to do justice with. >>> this means probably a slightly longer cycle than the 6 months we curren= tly >>> do. >> >> We're not so good in keeping up with deadlines - our recent 3.5 version >> slipped for 2.5 months past the original plan. With longer cycles, this >> is even harder to control. >> >> Can we instead break the "heavier" features to smaller phases, that are >> easier to maintain, and deliver the complete feature in 3.7? > > Hey, > > yep, I think this is a good idea to get control over the big features. > > - fabian Me too, for that matter. I think json rpc was a major thing to do witch = went well; but maybe drew resources from other features and testing. But maybe new features do not need to be scrubbed but implemented later = on for upgrades? For instance, some software vendors allow new features = for X.0 releases only for new installations. Only after they are = confirmed working regression - free a X.1 version is released witch = enables upgrades from X-1 (existing customers). Bottom line, I hope for planned 3.6 features like SR-IOV and pci = passthrough/vfio will not be postponed :) > >>> with many of the features requiring way newer versions of some of the >>> components, I think we should plan for "3.6 cluster" to require an .el7 >>> host >>> (expecting even 7.1 to be out before we release oVirt 3.6). >>> >>> so i want us to plan for: >>> - oVirt 3.6 supports .el6 and .el7 hosts in 3.5 cluster (and for fedora >>> - fc20?) >>> - oVirt 3.6 supports .el7 in 3.6 cluster (and for fedora - fc21?) >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- = Daniel Helgenberger m box bewegtbild GmbH P: +49/30/2408781-22 F: +49/30/2408781-10 ACKERSTR. 19 D-10115 BERLIN www.m-box.de www.monkeymen.tv Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Martin Retschitzegger / Michaela G=C3=B6llner Handeslregister: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg / HRB 112767 --===============4811043306086871697==-- From blaster at 556nato.com Sun Dec 7 22:11:44 2014 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0096491611913664175==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Blaster To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:11:26 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 5413671C.8010705@redhat.com --===============0096491611913664175== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Apple-Mail=3D_0ECB03C9-E3A7-455D-8F4D-5DD3F97F58B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252 On Sep 12, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/12/2014 04:22 PM, Morten Stevens wrote: >>=3D20 >>=3D20 >> On 12.09.2014 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: >>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see =3D in >>> oVirt 3.6"? >>=3D20 >> An official supported way to import existing raw disk images would be = =3D nice. >=3D20 > please review: > http://www.ovirt.org/Features/virt-v2v_Integration I don=3D92t think that=3D92s what we are looking for. With this process, i= f =3D I have an X size virtual disk, I have to come up with X+2X more storage =3D to go through this silly import process. With ESXi, I just right click, =3D add to inventory and I=3D92m off. Right now, I=3D92m looking at moving my AIO configuration to a new host. = =3D I=3D92ll have to create the new AIO host, create a new storage domain on = =3D the old disks, create new VMs that look like the old ones, create new =3D virtual disks, then go rummage around the storage, figure out what=3D92s = =3D what in these user unfriendly UUID names, then move the old images onto =3D the new ones. With ESXi, I just reinstall the hypervisor, create the new VM, then =3D right click, add to inventory on the old disk image, and I=3D92m done. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D3D1049604 The concept of storage domains seems rather clumsy and limited to me. --Apple-Mail=3D_0ECB03C9-E3A7-455D-8F4D-5DD3F97F58B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252

On Sep 12, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Itamar =3D Heim <iheim(a)redhat.com>= =3D wrote:

On 09/12/2014 04:22 PM, Morten Stevens =3D wrote:

On 12.09.2014 14:22, Itamar = =3D Heim wrote:
With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time = =3D to ask for "what do you want to see in
oVirt =3D 3.6"?

An official supported way to import existing =3D raw disk images would be nice.

please review:
http://www.ov= i=3D rt.org/Features/virt-v2v_Integration

I =3D don=3D92t think that=3D92s what we are looking for. With this process= , =3D if I have an X size virtual disk, I have to come up with X+2X more =3D storage to go through this silly import process. With ESXi, I just right = =3D click, add to inventory and I=3D92m off.

Right =3D now, I=3D92m looking at moving my AIO configuration to a new host. =3D I=3D92ll have to create the new AIO host, create a new storage =3D domain on the old disks, create new VMs that look like the old ones, =3D create new virtual disks, then go rummage around the storage, figure out = =3D what=3D92s what in these user unfriendly UUID names, then move the old =3D images onto the new ones.

With ESXi, I just =3D reinstall the hypervisor, create the new VM, then right click, add to =3D inventory on the old disk image, and I=3D92m =3D done.

https://= bug=3D zilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D3D1049604

T= h=3D e concept of storage domains seems rather clumsy and limited to =3D me.

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03:17:39PM +0300, Itamar Heim wrote: >> On 09/12/2014 03:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: >>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >>> oVirt 3.6"? >>> >> Even the short list of items mentions so far are big features we would n= eed >> to do justice with. >> this means probably a slightly longer cycle than the 6 months we current= ly >> do. > We're not so good in keeping up with deadlines - our recent 3.5 version > slipped for 2.5 months past the original plan. With longer cycles, this > is even harder to control. > > Can we instead break the "heavier" features to smaller phases, that are > easier to maintain, and deliver the complete feature in 3.7? +1 for smaller release cycle. It would be great if we could have a 3 month cycle. > >> with many of the features requiring way newer versions of some of the >> components, I think we should plan for "3.6 cluster" to require an .el7 = host >> (expecting even 7.1 to be out before we release oVirt 3.6). >> >> so i want us to plan for: >> - oVirt 3.6 supports .el6 and .el7 hosts in 3.5 cluster (and for fedora >> - fc20?) >> - oVirt 3.6 supports .el7 in 3.6 cluster (and for fedora - fc21?) > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --===============8575750307783867681==-- From danken at redhat.com Wed Feb 25 05:46:37 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7588658217389624748==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dan Kenigsberg To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:46:27 +0000 Message-ID: <20150225104627.GA2332@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: CAGZcrBkboLSNPS5HRbDsweY8fPZCRBk110Xrt8v5upkHDuRnjA@mail.gmail.com --===============7588658217389624748== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 09:34:48AM +0800, Punit Dambiwal wrote: > Hi, > = > Also can add multiple ips to a single (VNIC) network interface...on Guest > VM... oVirt does not manage IP addresses of guests[*], it only reports them. Nothing in ovirt blocks you from setting multiple addresses inside the guest. These addresses are then reported by the guest agent and shown on GUI. Unless, of course, I don't understand your request. [*] unless you use the neutron intgeration --===============7588658217389624748==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:11 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6844385894563782599==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:10 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D72.1010505@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 54491D7B.5010601@mittwald.de --===============6844385894563782599== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/23/2014 11:23 AM, Sven Kieske wrote: > > > On 12/09/14 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> > > > Please review: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1156115 > > for inclusion in 3.6. > maybe it can even be considered to backport this > change to 3.5 ? > > Thanks! > this is in 3.6 --===============6844385894563782599==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:19 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7836690525727819611==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:18 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D7A.6010204@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 20140918113518.1a26b198@ispx.vb.futz.org --===============7836690525727819611== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/18/2014 11:35 AM, Robert Story wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:22:41 +0300 Itamar wrote: > IH> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in > IH> oVirt 3.6"? > > I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a 'storage agent' to > run on storage domains, which could perform some operations more optimally > that the current system. For example, exporting/importing domains current= ly > reads the whole VM image over the network, then writes it back. In my cas= e, > my storage is all located on the smae NFS server, which could simply do an > OS copy locally, instead of reading/writing gigabytes over the network. I > don't know if other storage type could perform similar optimizations > not in 3.6. doing native storage operations is for sure a top item in = the storage list going forward. notice you can do these operations today at disk level and register the = externally cloned disks via the REST API. since 3.5 you can also detach and attach storage domains across DCs/Engines > > Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============7836690525727819611==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:22 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1792518497913758263==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:21 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D7D.5030206@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5419A9E5.8080403@netbulae.eu --===============1792518497913758263== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/17/2014 11:33 AM, Jorick Astrego wrote: > > On 09/12/2014 02:22 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Some "little things": > > nfsv4 support (http://www.ovirt.org/Features/NFSv4) > are there specific gaps here still? > libgfapi did not make it iirc, though some progress was made. allon - is that opt-in, or totally not in codebase? > > drbd support (http://www.ovirt.org/Features/DRBD) > > > Some concepts from IBM PowerHA look interesting: > > I don't know if the term is correct but we'd like to be able to > group vm's together and create dependency's between them. > Something like, first start the database vm then the > authentication vm and last the webserver vm. not in 3.6. if still relevant, please ask again in next poll. > > /resource groups > (http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPHQG_7.1.0/com.i= bm.powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_cluster_resources.htm)/ > //Resource groups/allow you to combine related resources into a > single logical entity for easier configuration and management. > The//PowerHA SystemMirror//software handles the resource group > as a unit, thus keeping the interdependent resources together on > one node and keeping them highly available./ > // vm affinity is supposed to cover some of the above? > > * /Identifying the set of cluster resources that are essential > to the operation of an application, and combining those > resources into a resource group./ > * /Defining the resource group policies and attributes that > dictate how////PowerHA SystemMirror////manages resources to > keep them highly available at different stages of cluster > operation (startup, fallover and fallback)./ > > /By identifying resources and defining resource group policies, > the////PowerHA SystemMirror////software makes numerous cluster > configurations possible, providing tremendous flexibility in > defining a cluster environment tailored to individual requirement= s. > / > > We would also like to be able to split a cluster between two > racks or DC's > /linked clusters/ > /http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/api/content/SSPHQG= _7.1.0/com.ibm.powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_multi_linked.htm/ > /A linked cluster is ideal for situations where each site is > located at a different geographical location. Typically, the > sites are far enough apart so that they cannot conveniently > share a common storage area network (SAN). Each site must have > its own active repository disk, and any backup repositories. > Linked clusters always use unicast to communicate between sites. > Linked clusters are a useful part of high availability disaster > recovery (HADR)./ > > We are currently developing a benchmarking system for ovirt and > test failover stuff by hand. Something like this would save > people a lot of time > /Cluster test tool/ > /http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPHQG_7.1.0/com.i= bm.powerha.concepts/ha_concepts_test_tool.htm/ > > /The Cluster Test Tool is a utility that lets you test > a////PowerHA=C2=AE SystemMirror=C2=AE////cluster configuration to= evaluate > how a cluster behaves under a set of specified circumstances, > such as when a node becomes inaccessible, a network becomes > inaccessible, a resource group moves from one node to another, > and so forth./ > > /You can start the test, let it run unattended, and return later > to evaluate the results of your testing./ > > /If you want to run an automated suite of basic cluster tests > for topology and resource group management, you can run the > automated test suite from SMIT. If you are an > experienced////PowerHA SystemMirror//administrator and want to > tailor cluster testing to your environment, you can also create > custom tests that can be run from SMIT./ > > /It is recommended to run the tool after you initially > configure////PowerHA SystemMirror////and before you put your > cluster into a production environment; after you make cluster > configuration changes while the cluster is out of service; or at > regular intervals even though the cluster appears to be > functioning well./ this could be an external utility, rather than core to ovirt? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============1792518497913758263==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:24 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6102428031468325305==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D7E.3040603@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 541968ED.2060404@abes.fr --===============6102428031468325305== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/17/2014 06:56 AM, Nathana=C3=ABl Blanchet wrote: > what about LXC integration? that (or docker, etc) is an interesting question to consider. > > Le 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim a =C3=A9crit : >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --===============6102428031468325305==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:26 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7919987983335163578==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:25 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D81.8030401@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: CANDY9WPToM9aXTfnHJHtrPa0wp-rtJgAw9aC0hu43ZGu1KLOOQ@mail.gmail.com --===============7919987983335163578== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/16/2014 03:44 AM, plysan wrote: > Export vm snapshot to export domain separately, so that vm can be > exported more efficiently if vm has taken a new snapshot did not make 3.6. (in general, i'd expect us to look more into storage offloading with = native snapshots, so not sure its a direction worth investing in as it = relies on cow snapshots) > > 2014-09-12 20:22 GMT+08:00 Itamar Heim >: > > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see > in oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _________________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/__mailman/listinfo/users > > > --===============7919987983335163578==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:35 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7508864007032102752==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D88.8050403@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 54173056.5020908@uncu.edu.ar --===============7508864007032102752== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 02:30 PM, Federico Alberto Sayd wrote: > On 12/09/14 09:22, Itamar Heim wrote: >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> > Backup frontend through WebUI no integrated backup, but probably relevant that multiple backup vendors = announced support for the productized RHEV 3.5 by now. > > Progress bar and percent of completion also for snapshots vm cloning and > disk copy part of the work to remove the SPM, did not complete for 3.6. > > Basic vm performance graphs in the WebUI without Reports/DHW > if still relevant, please ask again in next poll > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --===============7508864007032102752==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:49 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1893133251919066599==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:48 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D98.4070601@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 620139868.28746817.1410774286403.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com --===============1893133251919066599== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 05:44 AM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > Auto-configuration of the oVirt Virtual Appliance by hosted-engine setup. > > Basically give hosted-engine setup the features to configure the applianc= e to work well. > Especially take care about host+guest side OS level configuration like i.= e. networks. > I think most of this made it in. > - fabian > > ----- Original Message ----- >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> --===============1893133251919066599==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:51 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6098038868076745666==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:50 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D9A.7040504@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5416AFBB.80409@netbulae.eu --===============6098038868076745666== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 05:22 AM, Jorick Astrego wrote: > Another one from our list: > > Log Browser to view, search, and export Logs for troubleshooting > http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=3Den_U= S&cmd=3DdisplayKC&externalId=3D2032888 > > > Purpose > > You can view, search, and export one or more vCenter Server and ESXi > log files at a time using the log browser. > You can also export, manage, and view different log types. > > > I like to use ssh myself (or our log server) but we would like to > severely limit ssh access to the engine. > > It would be great to have a webGUI log view to do troubleshooting from. > The current events and alerts view is not really practical. RHEV has something like this from a more generic access portal approach, = but the log collection/viewing is something we would need to see how to = make more general. if still relevant, please ask again in next poll > > Kind regards, > > Jorick Astrego > Netbulae > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============6098038868076745666==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:56 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4785328563191506246==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9D9E.9050105@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: CAGZcrBk7_Ty0XLSjHYPJECZQRD-hCh+J_DWdg5WXrOcFG5j+fw@mail.gmail.com --===============4785328563191506246== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/14/2014 09:12 PM, Punit Dambiwal wrote: > Hi All, > > I want a better way to prevent Ip spoofing on the guest VM's... > I don't think we made any progress on this front. if still relevant, please ask again in next poll > Thanks, > Punit > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal > > wrot= e: > > > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Sven Kieske > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 13.09.2014 22:25, Itamar Heim wrote: > > like the hostusb vdsm hook allows? > is this installed by default, yet? > furthermore I think you need to enable it via engine-config(custom > parameters), don't you? > > I guess what is asked for is something working "out of the box". > > Yes It's supported by hostusb hook, > But this needs access to the host to list what what devices are > installed. > I have used once vSphere, and it allows to select which device to > attach, > I guess it would be nice to have this in future releases . > > kind regards > > Sven > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) > > iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJUFNv1AAoJEAq0kGAWDrqlNpgMAMgPo9QqH0aiqE0bMsmvXDbM > R/gbK2+OteDGKgA7m4nvUIw5dzQ1X5a07+q51JoSRaUrJ3MxbA/y2lni9LG6ObyM > 57pY3lwWqn91bS+dwo9bGaDKgdWq3HoHPfo+Wz7LfoHSACpeOgu+j6kWtgm3WcLm > G3tST1fncLXnWPTQ6SkXaKo5N8G68NrjR2Ih8pFKu+GfeP+0MredKt3d+yHJRrjV > 9ZtZvsvd4INDKOfVvJmR8MA0NvTSkFvLSBHvJ9gG3k0Umn/htdn9sPgS41Kghz2x > NV1YX8pr4PmJjanGhFaVAYw2v367tVMgcewa21zZ162Wzh7nzTNOJAtMIfQn+hSG > 2EGaw0NLFm0grpjITXCp24G1GwVUf3FR2dxt+GdsQ9upEs5605SMlknT6BLmtoJ8 > 8LCArwEfZ0UgC4T6qOWp7+Sbkcl124qg7abupewL8usKtmnQV00/8pIusx1mtypj > 4BDAE5Cq4e+U8hiB9nlGJzo1IFnyBszMOQQLunKGow=3D=3D > =3Dfv56 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============4785328563191506246==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:06:58 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8842439746797366764==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9DA1.9090605@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: CAPiLpOucGnaWUa+KX4w0-U08gU68HjOL=ixe4+GE1xWSGzzFAg@mail.gmail.com --===============8842439746797366764== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/14/2014 02:15 AM, Mohyedeen Nazzal wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Itamar Heim > wrote: > > On 09/13/2014 03:38 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal wrote: > > One more thing,, > > Being able to attach USB dongles from the admin portal... > > did not make it, if still relevant, please ask again in next poll > like the hostusb vdsm hook allows? > > > Yes, exactly. > > > Thanks, > Mohyedeen. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Mohyedeen Nazzal > > >> wrote: > > When VMs goes to unknown status, all control options are > grayed, and > the only way to fix this is to update the Database > manually, it will > be nice to be able to force the engine to poweroff the VM > from admin > portal. > > Thanks, > Mohyedeen. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Nir Soffer > > >>= wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sven Kieske" >> > > To:users(a)ovirt.org > > > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:53:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > > > > +1! > > > > I really would like to see a fast working way to > create, manage > > and use ceph in ovirt. I don't know if implementation > through > > openstack component is enough, because you will need > more components > > then (keystone for auth e.g.). > > Sure you will need more components, but we don't want to > duplicate the effort, > implementing ceph support directly in ovirt. Using > Cinder we can > reuse the > existing ceph support, and gain also support for other > Cinder > drivers for > free. > > On the host side, we will have of course ceph specific > support, > so you will > be able to create ceph volumes directly, and use vdsm > api to > start vms using > these volumes, if you want more "direct" support. > > I think this is the general long term approach; integrate > openstack components > instead of re-implementing the wheel. > > > > > On 12/09/14 15:34, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: > > > Dunno if CephFS efforts will be sustainable against > Glusterfs... > > > I'm not sure if a posix fs is the best provider > for blocks. > > > I would be pleased to have a direct form to create > a Ceph > pool for a > > > datacenter, then provide librbd path for the > guests (or > only their size). > > > > -- > > Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Regards > > > > Sven Kieske > > > > Systemadministrator > > Mittwald CM Service GmbH & Co. KG > > K=C3=B6nigsberger Stra=C3=9Fe 6 > > 32339 Espelkamp > > T: +49-5772-293-100 > > > F: +49-5772-293-333 > > > https://www.mittwald.de > > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Robert Meyer > > St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA > 6640, AG > Bad Oeynhausen > > Komplement=C3=A4rin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, H= RB > 13260, AG > Bad Oeynhausen > > _________________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users(a)ovirt.org > > > > http://lists.ovirt.org/__mailman/listinfo/users > > > > _________________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > > http://lists.ovirt.org/__mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/__mailman/listinfo/users > > > > --===============8842439746797366764==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:07:01 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5723881309329557579==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9DA3.1000609@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 54144C3F.1080407@ecarnot.net --===============5723881309329557579== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/13/2014 09:53 AM, Nicolas Ecarnot wrote: > Le 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim a =C3=A9crit : >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > For God's sake, please, prevent "secondary" storage domains (anything > other than the master, especially iso and export) to completely block > the whole thing when being unavailable. > To many users suffered from this in the last two years I participate at > this mailing list (including me). > removing the SPM (and the concept of master domain) made a lot of = progress, but was deemed not cooked/stable enough to be merged for 3.6, = so still in progress. --===============5723881309329557579==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:07:06 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8677322289513309469==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:07:03 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9DA7.5080806@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 1070323583.22556.1410531868330.JavaMail.zimbra@logicworks.pt --===============8677322289513309469== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 10:24 AM, suporte(a)logicworks.pt wrote: > Yes, this feature will be very usefull (ISO upload over web UI). > +1 was worked on, didn't make it. > Choose which VM should automatically start up, like in VMware Vsphere > "Virtual Machine Starup and Shutdown" please ask again in next poll for it... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *De: *"Federico Alberto Sayd" > *Para: *users(a)ovirt.org > *Enviadas: *Sexta-feira, 12 De Setembro de 2014 14:45:43 > *Assunto: *Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning > > On 12/09/14 09:55, Jakub Bittner wrote: > > ISO upload over web UI. > +1, Is it so hard to implement such feature? > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============8677322289513309469==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:07:06 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8662733902885460290==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:07:05 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9DA9.9010403@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412F37F.6070801@fedoraproject.org --===============8662733902885460290== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 09:22 AM, Morten Stevens wrote: > > > On 12.09.2014 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? > > An official supported way to import existing raw disk images would be nic= e. michal - is this covered via the v2v feature in 3.6 - i remember it was = part the "wish-list" scope discussed? > > Best regards, > > Morten > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --===============8662733902885460290==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:07:09 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1192216430897153198==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:07:08 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9DAC.3090201@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412ED3A.4040107@nbu.cz --===============1192216430897153198== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 08:55 AM, Jakub Bittner wrote: > Ovirt: > FCoE hosted engine support. check > Fencing over storage (FCoE, iSCSI, NFS, etc) didn't make it > ISO upload over web UI. started for 3.6, didn't make it. > > > > Dne 12.9.2014 14:22, Itamar Heim napsal(a): >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============1192216430897153198==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:07:20 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7512224132005625565==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:07:18 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9DB6.6070809@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 5412E68C.7070001@delepine.org --===============7512224132005625565== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 08:26 AM, C=C3=A9dric Buot de l'Epine wrote: > Ceph support ;) via cinder, but there. > Regards, > C=C3=A9dric > > On 12/09/2014 14:22, Itamar Heim wrote: >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > --===============7512224132005625565==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:07:28 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8647177107112956704==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9DBC.70708@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 27e504faf41b486784bcf970e89caf8c@EXCHANGE.mbox.loc --===============8647177107112956704== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/2014 08:15 AM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote: > Hello, > +1 for the iso uploader, was worked on, but didn't make 3.6 > +1 for hostusb in UI didn't make it. if still relevant, please ask again in next poll > +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?) check > > With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of my > list is: > - SR-IOV > - NPV > - VFIO > these should be covered in 3.6, though have some caveats, please try and = report issues. > These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to > have the same hardware configuration anyway. > > Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch? please ask again in next poll. > > Thanks, > > On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote: >> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in >> oVirt 3.6"? >> >> Thanks, >> Itamar >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > --===============8647177107112956704==-- From iheim at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 19:12:05 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6111794481957414493==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: <563A9ED3.2060101@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: CAEzLwnfU6hbjs8YkvpFhC383ke+p2W3nxPRLmyoSBs6wzLCA8A@mail.gmail.com --===============6111794481957414493== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/12/2014 11:50 AM, Gary Lloyd wrote: > Proper iscsi multipath support/config for direct lun , not just storage > domains. > > (I've already put an RFE request in for this as well). Bug 1126945 - [RFE] ISCSI Multipath configuration for Direct LUN in = future versions of oVirt did not make 3.6. > > /Gary Lloyd/ > ---------------------------------- > IT Services > Keele University > ----------------------------------- > > On 12 September 2014 13:22, Itamar Heim > wrote: > > With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see > in oVirt 3.6"? > > Thanks, > Itamar > _________________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/__mailman/listinfo/users > > > --===============6111794481957414493==-- From danken at redhat.com Thu Nov 5 06:32:17 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1598945822509131266==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dan Kenigsberg To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:32:15 +0200 Message-ID: <20151105113155.GB30287@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 563A9D9E.9050105@redhat.com --===============1598945822509131266== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 07:06:54PM -0500, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/14/2014 09:12 PM, Punit Dambiwal wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >I want a better way to prevent Ip spoofing on the guest VM's... > > > = > I don't think we made any progress on this front. Correct. The only option available today is to add a hook script that changes the nic filter from vdsm-no-macspoof to "clean-traffic" > if still relevant, please ask again in next poll --===============1598945822509131266==-- From rstory at tislabs.com Thu Nov 5 08:51:58 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3238313034310303621==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Story To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 08:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <20151105085022.59bf67d8@ispx.vb.futz.org> In-Reply-To: 563A9D7A.6010204@redhat.com --===============3238313034310303621== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Sig_/9ak_Bl7VrbuVSEOSgYh_gZg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:06:18 -0500 Itamar wrote: IH> On 09/18/2014 11:35 AM, Robert Story wrote: IH> > On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:22:41 +0300 Itamar wrote: IH> > IH> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to IH> > IH> see in oVirt 3.6"? IH> > IH> > I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a 'storage agent' IH> > to run on storage domains, which could perform some operations more IH> > optimally that the current system. For example, exporting/importing IH> > domains currently reads the whole VM image over the network, then IH> > writes it back. In my case, my storage is all located on the smae NFS IH> > server, which could simply do an OS copy locally, instead of IH> > reading/writing gigabytes over the network. I don't know if other IH> > storage type could perform similar optimizations IH>=3D20 IH> not in 3.6. doing native storage operations is for sure a top item in= =3D20 IH> the storage list going forward. IH> notice you can do these operations today at disk level and register the= =3D =3D20 IH> externally cloned disks via the REST API. That's good to know. Is there a wiki page/script for how to externally clone a VM for export? 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boundary="===============3479468389327266379==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Itamar Heim To: users at ovirt.org Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:55:15 -0500 Message-ID: <563B6DD3.7070604@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 20151105085022.59bf67d8@ispx.vb.futz.org --===============3479468389327266379== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/05/2015 08:50 AM, Robert Story wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:06:18 -0500 Itamar wrote: > IH> On 09/18/2014 11:35 AM, Robert Story wrote: > IH> > On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:22:41 +0300 Itamar wrote: > IH> > IH> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to > IH> > IH> see in oVirt 3.6"? > IH> > > IH> > I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a 'storage agen= t' > IH> > to run on storage domains, which could perform some operations more > IH> > optimally that the current system. For example, exporting/importing > IH> > domains currently reads the whole VM image over the network, then > IH> > writes it back. In my case, my storage is all located on the smae N= FS > IH> > server, which could simply do an OS copy locally, instead of > IH> > reading/writing gigabytes over the network. I don't know if other > IH> > storage type could perform similar optimizations > IH> > IH> not in 3.6. doing native storage operations is for sure a top item in > IH> the storage list going forward. > IH> notice you can do these operations today at disk level and register t= he > IH> externally cloned disks via the REST API. > > That's good to know. Is there a wiki page/script for how to externally cl= one > a VM for export? need to check per storage type (which we'll do). for now, if you can = clone it, we can register it. netapp has a service that provides this in an integrated way. --===============3479468389327266379==--