For anyone's wondering about oVirt's chances of ongoing development, this: https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-engine/pulse/monthly is the current monthly stats (issues closed, commits made, number of contributors, etc.) on just the engine's GitHub repo, within the oVirt organization. (I.e. not VDSM, or the ansible scripts, etc. Those stats are available in their respective repos linked here: https://github.com/orgs/oVirt/repositories) As of this mail, the engine alone also has 228 forks on GitHub. (Which are not necessarily "forks" as in "We're creating our own version for the public", as they are personal repos that are used as staging areas for getting changes / commits pulled into the main project.) I highly doubt that all of those forks are solely Red Hat employees and their local working trees, so the project appears to be safe for now development wise, but if a RH person wants to clarify feel free to do so. A list of known non-RH contributors to compare to would be nice, as GitHub doesn't make that obvious.

For those still worried, there's also been access requests for translation submissions right here on the user mailing list. (As of this mail, the most recent seems to have been on Oct 21: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/JJ4FLNKSSQN7PKURKMOVVBMAKLQXQO6K/ ). So there's definitely a healthy amount of interest in oVirt's future development. Like others in this thread however, I too would like to know if there is an overall management group / "public face" that has been settled on by the community, or if RH still has the final say over everything? If it's still the latter, are we to the point yet of needing to create such a group? Or is that planned and the oVirt project hasn't gotten to that stage yet?

With regards to didi's request for mailing list moderators, I imagine there are others more qualified than myself for that task, that have also been here far longer than me, but I wouldn't mind helping if permitted.

On Tue, 2022-11-15 at 07:44 +0000, Nathanaël Blanchet via Users wrote:

Hello all,

This is definitely a really sad new, but it is a natural consequence of rhv die and I don't know why redhat should continue to invest in ovirt.

I believed that more professional developpers were involved in RHV project, beginning by big companies as oracle who provides downstream OLVM... Does it mean they are about to let their own commercial product die as well if they don't involve in the upstream ovirt project?

I think as well about Chinese community that do love ovirt.

Was redhat really the only one to develop ovirt? They made great job and this software is wonderfully mature after more of 10 years of development.

Sorry to tell that not everybody is able to lead such a big project, someone may contribute to some part but we do need genius or professional developpers if we want ovirt to survive.

Most of the job has been accomplished for the ovirt project we all know and I'm sure okd can't be in the next months or years the immediate ovirt replacement. So without developing new features, the main effort may be to maintain it by integrating new package versions like el9,wildfly and so on...

Definitely a sad new...

Le 14 nov. 2022 23:40, Frank Wall <fw@moov.de> a écrit :

Hi Didi,

thanks for keeping us updated. However, I'm concerned...

> Ultimately, the future of oVirt lies in the hands of the community. If
> you, as a community member, use and like oVirt, and want to see it
> thrive, now is the best time to help with this!

I don't want to be rude, but this sounds to me like no developers
have shown interest in keeping oVirt alive. Is this true? Is no other
company actively developing oVirt anymore?

> We worked hard over the last year or so on making sure the oVirt
> project will be able to sustain development even without much
> involvement from us - including moving most of the infrastructure from
> private systems that were funded by/for oVirt/RHV, elsewhere - code
> review from Gerrit to GitHub, and CI (Continuous Integration) from
> jenkins to GitHub/Copr/CentOS CBS.

I appreciate the effort to make the source code accessible. However,
I'm also wondering: was any sort of governing organization established,
so that development could actually take place when RedHat pulls the
plug?

The answer to this is probably related to my previous question, whether
or not there are any non-RedHat developers involved.

Ciao
- Frank
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