On Apr 8, 2014, at 14:31 , "Matt ." <yamakasi.014@gmail.com> wrote:

> HI,
>
> This was more than 1,5 year ago, I can't remember 100%
>
> I create a new Datacenter as I wanted and putted the otherone "offline" or so and removed it. The Default Cluster was not able to remove because of this Template which was OK.

yes, the cluster needs to remain.
We're finally taking some steps to be able to remove/replace a Blank template…nothing final yet.

>
> I discussed this at #ovirt back those days and it was the only option to get rid of "Default Datacenter".
>
> I didn't see   logs @ the engine.log to be honest.

there you should see some specific error…I guess. If this is really related to that removal, there should be something in the log. I'm not aware of any change in the API itself…

Thanks,
michal

>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt
>
>
> 2014-04-08 14:17 GMT+02:00 Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com>:
>
> On Apr 8, 2014, at 14:08 , Matt . <yamakasi.014@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > It seems that it's an issue with the Default Datacenter that is removed, the Cluster still exists because of it's default template there is in.
>
> How did you remove the Default Datacenter. It shouldn't let you because of that Blank template…
>
> Thanks,
> michal
>
> >
> > This is what Foreman Logs:
> >
> > Started POST "/hosts" for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx at 2014-04-07 20:40:01 +0200
> > Processing by HostsController#create as */*
> >   Parameters: {"utf8"=>"✓", "authenticity_token"=>"frTtd5bG6PoC5+2j+qXiGS4TNdJ9tstEgap5BRUoTdA=", "host"=>{"name"=>"test", "hostgroup_id"=>"", "compute_resource_id"=>"1", "compute_profile_id"=>"", "environment_id"=>"1", "puppet_ca_proxy_id"=>"1", "puppet_proxy_id"=>"1", "puppetclass_ids"=>[""], "managed"=>"true", "progress_report_id"=>"[FILTERED]", "type"=>"Host::Managed", "compute_attributes"=>{"cluster"=>"f8a641ba-14df-4500-9a1b-79011afeb7eb", "template"=>"", "cores"=>"2", "memory"=>"2147483648", "interfaces_attributes"=>{"new_interfaces"=>{"name"=>"", "network"=>"c97b81ed-b615-48f0-8293-425c8818fdc4", "_delete"=>""}, "new_1396895988009"=>{"name"=>"nic1", "network"=>"e922b54d-71f0-411d-8efb-05af771822e4", "_delete"=>""}}, "volumes_attributes"=>{"new_volumes"=>{"size_gb"=>"", "storage_domain"=>"0944ba31-1e23-4e6f-b8f8-81f5df9ccc7a", "_delete"=>"", "id"=>""}, "new_1396895996127"=>{"size_gb"=>"25", "storage_domain"=>"7818bd60-f275-438f-96a5-03c69cdd3555", "_delete"=>"", "id"=>""}}, "start"=>"1"}, "domain_id"=>"1", "realm_id"=>"", "mac"=>"", "subnet_id"=>"2", "ip"=>"172.16.20.71", "interfaces_attributes"=>{"new_interfaces"=>{"_destroy"=>"false", "type"=>"Nic::Managed", "mac"=>"", "name"=>"", "domain_id"=>"", "ip"=>"", "provider"=>"IPMI"}}, "architecture_id"=>"1", "operatingsystem_id"=>"1", "provision_method"=>"build", "build"=>"1", "medium_id"=>"5", "ptable_id"=>"9", "disk"=>"", "root_pass"=>"[FILTERED]", "is_owned_by"=>"1-Users", "enabled"=>"1", "model_id"=>"", "comment"=>"", "overwrite"=>"false"}, "capabilities"=>"build image", "provider"=>"Ovirt"}
> > Adding Compute instance for test.office.local.domain
> > Successfully decrypted field for Foreman::Model::Ovirt ovirt-domain-local
> > Failed to create a compute ovirt-domain-local(oVirt) instance test.office.local.domain: VM
> > template.id
> > |name required for add
> >  /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rbovirt-0.0.25/lib/rbovirt.rb:180:in `handle_fault'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rbovirt-0.0.25/lib/rbovirt.rb:114:in `rescue in http_post'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rbovirt-0.0.25/lib/rbovirt.rb:111:in `http_post'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rbovirt-0.0.25/lib/client/vm_api.rb:35:in `create_vm'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/fog-1.21.0/lib/fog/ovirt/requests/compute/create_vm.rb:7:in `create_vm'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/fog-1.21.0/lib/fog/ovirt/models/compute/server.rb:123:in `save'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/fog-core-1.21.1/lib/fog/core/collection.rb:51:in `create'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/compute_resource.rb:120:in `create_vm'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/compute_resources/foreman/model/ovirt.rb:137:in `create_vm'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/concerns/orchestration/compute.rb:74:in `setCompute'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/concerns/orchestration.rb:142:in `execute'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/concerns/orchestration.rb:85:in `block in process'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/concerns/orchestration.rb:77:in `each'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/concerns/orchestration.rb:77:in `process'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/concerns/orchestration.rb:18:in `on_save'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:649:in `_run__1092801602321222569__save__3625976562279559551__callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:405:in `__run_callback'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:385:in `_run_save_callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:81:in `run_callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:264:in `create_or_update'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/persistence.rb:84:in `save'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/validations.rb:50:in `save'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/attribute_methods/dirty.rb:22:in `save'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:241:in `block (2 levels) in save'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:295:in `block in with_transaction_returning_status'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/abstract/database_statements.rb:192:in `transaction'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:208:in `transaction'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:293:in `with_transaction_returning_status'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:241:in `block in save'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:252:in `rollback_active_record_state!'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:240:in `save'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/concerns/foreman/sti.rb:29:in `save_with_type'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/controllers/hosts_controller.rb:94:in `create'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal/implicit_render.rb:4:in `send_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/abstract_controller/base.rb:167:in `process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal/rendering.rb:10:in `process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/abstract_controller/callbacks.rb:18:in `block in process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:527:in `block (3 levels) in _run__4464736720017118904__process_action__1491855254410723574__callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:215:in `block in _conditional_callback_around_6000'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:326:in `around'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:310:in `_callback_around_872'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:214:in `_conditional_callback_around_6000'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:526:in `block (2 levels) in _run__4464736720017118904__process_action__1491855254410723574__callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:215:in `block in _conditional_callback_around_5999'
> > /usr/share/foreman/app/models/concerns/foreman/thread_session.rb:33:in `clear_thread'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:214:in `_conditional_callback_around_5999'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:415:in `block in _run__4464736720017118904__process_action__1491855254410723574__callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:215:in `block in _conditional_callback_around_5998'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:326:in `around'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:310:in `_callback_around_13'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:214:in `_conditional_callback_around_5998'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:414:in `_run__4464736720017118904__process_action__1491855254410723574__callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:405:in `__run_callback'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:385:in `_run_process_action_callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:81:in `run_callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/abstract_controller/callbacks.rb:17:in `process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal/rescue.rb:29:in `process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal/instrumentation.rb:30:in `block in process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/notifications.rb:123:in `block in instrument'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/notifications/instrumenter.rb:20:in `instrument'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/notifications.rb:123:in `instrument'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal/instrumentation.rb:29:in `process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal/params_wrapper.rb:207:in `process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/railties/controller_runtime.rb:18:in `process_action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/abstract_controller/base.rb:121:in `process'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/abstract_controller/rendering.rb:45:in `process'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal.rb:203:in `dispatch'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal/rack_delegation.rb:14:in `dispatch'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_controller/metal.rb:246:in `block in action'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/routing/route_set.rb:73:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/routing/route_set.rb:73:in `dispatch'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/routing/route_set.rb:36:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/journey-1.0.4/lib/journey/router.rb:68:in `block in call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/journey-1.0.4/lib/journey/router.rb:56:in `each'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/journey-1.0.4/lib/journey/router.rb:56:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/routing/route_set.rb:600:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/apipie-rails-0.1.2/lib/apipie/static_dispatcher.rb:65:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/apipie-rails-0.1.2/lib/apipie/middleware/checksum_in_headers.rb:27:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/best_standards_support.rb:17:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/etag.rb:23:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/conditionalget.rb:35:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/head.rb:14:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/params_parser.rb:21:in `call'
> > /usr/share/foreman/lib/middleware/catch_json_parse_errors.rb:9:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/flash.rb:242:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/session/abstract/id.rb:205:in `context'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/session/abstract/id.rb:200:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/cookies.rb:339:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/query_cache.rb:64:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activerecord-3.2.8/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/abstract/connection_pool.rb:473:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/callbacks.rb:28:in `block in call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:405:in `_run__1124345173183733839__call__3625976562279559551__callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:405:in `__run_callback'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:385:in `_run_call_callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:81:in `run_callbacks'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/callbacks.rb:27:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/remote_ip.rb:31:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/debug_exceptions.rb:16:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/show_exceptions.rb:56:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/railties-3.2.8/lib/rails/rack/logger.rb:26:in `call_app'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/railties-3.2.8/lib/rails/rack/logger.rb:16:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/request_id.rb:22:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/methodoverride.rb:21:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/runtime.rb:17:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/activesupport-3.2.8/lib/active_support/cache/strategy/local_cache.rb:72:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/lock.rb:15:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/actionpack-3.2.8/lib/action_dispatch/middleware/static.rb:62:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-cache-1.2/lib/rack/cache/context.rb:136:in `forward'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-cache-1.2/lib/rack/cache/context.rb:143:in `pass'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-cache-1.2/lib/rack/cache/context.rb:155:in `invalidate'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-cache-1.2/lib/rack/cache/context.rb:71:in `call!'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-cache-1.2/lib/rack/cache/context.rb:51:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/railties-3.2.8/lib/rails/engine.rb:479:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/railties-3.2.8/lib/rails/application.rb:223:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/railties-3.2.8/lib/rails/railtie/configurable.rb:30:in `method_missing'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/builder.rb:134:in `call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/urlmap.rb:64:in `block in call'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/urlmap.rb:49:in `each'
> > /opt/rh/ruby193/root/usr/share/gems/gems/rack-1.4.1/lib/rack/urlmap.rb:49:in `call'
> > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/passenger-4.0.5/lib/phusion_passenger/rack/thread_handler_extension.rb:77:in `process_request'
> > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/passenger-4.0.5/lib/phusion_passenger/request_handler/thread_handler.rb:140:in `accept_and_process_next_request'
> > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/passenger-4.0.5/lib/phusion_passenger/request_handler/thread_handler.rb:108:in `main_loop'
> > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/passenger-4.0.5/lib/phusion_passenger/request_handler.rb:441:in `block (3 levels) in start_threads'
> > Rolling back due to a problem: [Set up compute instance test.office.local.domain     2     failed     [#<Host::Managed id: nil, name: "test.office.local.domain", ip: "172.16.20.71", last_compile: nil, last_freshcheck: nil, last_report: nil, updated_at: nil, source_file_id: nil, created_at: nil, mac: nil, root_pass: "$1$Aij0BWBk$hIOQlMuf7vfad2x8aIAS/.", serial: nil, puppet_status: 0, domain_id: 1, architecture_id: 1, operatingsystem_id: 1, environment_id: 1, subnet_id: 2, ptable_id: 9, medium_id: 5, build: true, comment: "", disk: "", installed_at: nil, model_id: nil, hostgroup_id: nil, owner_id: 1, owner_type: "User", enabled: true, puppet_ca_proxy_id: 1, managed: true, use_image: nil, image_file: nil, uuid: nil, compute_resource_id: 1, puppet_proxy_id: 1, certname: nil, image_id: nil, organization_id: nil, location_id: nil, type: "Host::Managed", compute_profile_id: nil, otp: nil, realm_id: nil, provision_method: "build">, :setCompute]]
> > Failed to save: Failed to create a compute ovirt-domain-local(oVirt) instance test.office.local.domain: VM
> > template.id
> > |name required for add
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2014-04-08 9:07 GMT+02:00 Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com>:
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2014, at 14:47 , Matt . <yamakasi.014@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > >
> > > On Foreman 1.4.2 it seems that you have issues with oVirt 3.4 when adding a host.
> > >
> > > When you add this host you will get an error as oVirt now has more templating stuff:
> >
> > you mean guest, right.
> > what errors are in Foreman logs? oVirt logs?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > michal
> >
> > >
> > > VM template.id|name required for add
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there a workaround for this to get the creation of VM go further ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Matt
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