Question about OVN MTU
Hello All, I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU that I can use in my environment. Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External Provider -> Connect to Physical Network So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses 24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976. I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942. Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I understanding it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ? I have checked https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU. Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov
Erm... noone ? Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov В вторник, 27 октомври 2020 г., 02:51:00 Гринуич+2, Strahil Nikolov via Users <users@ovirt.org> написа: Hello All, I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU that I can use in my environment. Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External Provider -> Connect to Physical Network So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses 24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976. I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942. Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I understanding it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ? I have checked https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU. Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/CKNS5T5KE2W5EI...
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 02:49 Strahil Nikolov via Users <users@ovirt.org> wrote:
Hello All,
I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU that I can use in my environment.
Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External Provider -> Connect to Physical Network
So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses 24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976.
From the internet draft it seems that the tunnel header + reserved bits comprise 64 bits. A common practice for Geneve implementations is to use 8900 mtu for VMs when having 9000 mtu physical network. The draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-08
I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942.
Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I understanding it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ?
I have checked https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU.
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/CKNS5T5KE2W5EI...
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:36 PM Alex K <rightkicktech@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 02:49 Strahil Nikolov via Users <users@ovirt.org> wrote:
Hello All,
I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU that I can use in my environment.
Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External Provider -> Connect to Physical Network
So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses 24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976.
From the internet draft it seems that the tunnel header + reserved bits comprise 64 bits. A common practice for Geneve implementations is to use 8900 mtu for VMs when having 9000 mtu physical network.
Ack, this is a safe choice. In oVirt's default configuration, an overhead of 58 bytes ( = 20 IPv4 header + 8 UDP header + 16 GENEVE Ethernet header (including 8 bytes options) + 14 bytes inner Ethernet header) is added. This is why the default MTU for OVN networks in oVirt is 1442 bytes, which assumes 1500 bytes MTU in the physical network.
The draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-08
I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942.
Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I understanding it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ?
You could check with packet analyzers like tcpdump and wireshark.
I have checked
https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU.
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in 4.3.10's UI it shows 1500 :) В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 13:25:05 Гринуич+2, Dominik Holler <dholler@redhat.com> написа: On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:36 PM Alex K <rightkicktech@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 02:49 Strahil Nikolov via Users <users@ovirt.org> wrote:
Hello All,
I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU that I can use in my environment.
Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External Provider -> Connect to Physical Network
So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses 24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976. From the internet draft it seems that the tunnel header + reserved bits comprise 64 bits. A common practice for Geneve implementations is to use 8900 mtu for VMs when having 9000 mtu physical network.
Ack, this is a safe choice. In oVirt's default configuration, an overhead of 58 bytes ( = 20 IPv4 header + 8 UDP header + 16 GENEVE Ethernet header (including 8 bytes options) + 14 bytes inner Ethernet header) is added. This is why the default MTU for OVN networks in oVirt is 1442 bytes, which assumes 1500 bytes MTU in the physical network.
The draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-08
I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942.
Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I understanding it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ?
You could check with packet analyzers like tcpdump and wireshark.
I have checked https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU.
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/CKNS5T5KE2W5EI...
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:03 PM Strahil Nikolov <hunter86_bg@yahoo.com> wrote:
in 4.3.10's UI it shows 1500 :)
This might be just a misleading representation of the default value or an unknown value. If "Automatic Synchronization" is enabled for the ovirt-provider-ovn in oVirt Engine, the value should be updated in Engine to the correct after the next synchronization in the background.
В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 13:25:05 Гринуич+2, Dominik Holler < dholler@redhat.com> написа:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:36 PM Alex K <rightkicktech@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 02:49 Strahil Nikolov via Users <users@ovirt.org>
Hello All,
I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU
wrote: that I can use in my environment.
Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External
Provider -> Connect to Physical Network
So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses
24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976. From the internet draft it seems that the tunnel header + reserved bits comprise 64 bits. A common practice for Geneve implementations is to use 8900 mtu for VMs when having 9000 mtu physical network.
Ack, this is a safe choice. In oVirt's default configuration, an overhead of 58 bytes ( = 20 IPv4 header + 8 UDP header + 16 GENEVE Ethernet header (including 8 bytes options) + 14 bytes inner Ethernet header) is added. This is why the default MTU for OVN networks in oVirt is 1442 bytes, which assumes 1500 bytes MTU in the physical network.
The draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-08
I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the
maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942.
Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I understanding
it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ?
You could check with packet analyzers like tcpdump and wireshark.
I have checked https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU.
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/CKNS5T5KE2W5EI...
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Any hint for the location of "Automatic Synchronization" in UI ? Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 20:16:13 Гринуич+2, Dominik Holler <dholler@redhat.com> написа: On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:03 PM Strahil Nikolov <hunter86_bg@yahoo.com> wrote:
in 4.3.10's UI it shows 1500 :)
This might be just a misleading representation of the default value or an unknown value. If "Automatic Synchronization" is enabled for the ovirt-provider-ovn in oVirt Engine, the value should be updated in Engine to the correct after the next synchronization in the background.
В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 13:25:05 Гринуич+2, Dominik Holler <dholler@redhat.com> написа:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:36 PM Alex K <rightkicktech@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 02:49 Strahil Nikolov via Users <users@ovirt.org> wrote:
Hello All,
I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU that I can use in my environment.
Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External Provider -> Connect to Physical Network
So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses 24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976. From the internet draft it seems that the tunnel header + reserved bits comprise 64 bits. A common practice for Geneve implementations is to use 8900 mtu for VMs when having 9000 mtu physical network.
Ack, this is a safe choice. In oVirt's default configuration, an overhead of 58 bytes ( = 20 IPv4 header + 8 UDP header + 16 GENEVE Ethernet header (including 8 bytes options) + 14 bytes inner Ethernet header) is added. This is why the default MTU for OVN networks in oVirt is 1442 bytes, which assumes 1500 bytes MTU in the physical network.
The draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-08
I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942.
Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I understanding it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ?
You could check with packet analyzers like tcpdump and wireshark.
I have checked https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU.
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/CKNS5T5KE2W5EI...
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If you mean "Administration" -> "Providers" -> "Ovirt-provider-ovn" -> it is enabled. Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 21:10:02 Гринуич+2, Strahil Nikolov <hunter86_bg@yahoo.com> написа: Any hint for the location of "Automatic Synchronization" in UI ? Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 20:16:13 Гринуич+2, Dominik Holler <dholler@redhat.com> написа: On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:03 PM Strahil Nikolov <hunter86_bg@yahoo.com> wrote:
in 4.3.10's UI it shows 1500 :)
This might be just a misleading representation of the default value or an unknown value. If "Automatic Synchronization" is enabled for the ovirt-provider-ovn in oVirt Engine, the value should be updated in Engine to the correct after the next synchronization in the background.
В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 13:25:05 Гринуич+2, Dominik Holler <dholler@redhat.com> написа:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:36 PM Alex K <rightkicktech@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 02:49 Strahil Nikolov via Users <users@ovirt.org> wrote:
Hello All,
I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU that I can use in my environment.
Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External Provider -> Connect to Physical Network
So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses 24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976. From the internet draft it seems that the tunnel header + reserved bits comprise 64 bits. A common practice for Geneve implementations is to use 8900 mtu for VMs when having 9000 mtu physical network.
Ack, this is a safe choice. In oVirt's default configuration, an overhead of 58 bytes ( = 20 IPv4 header + 8 UDP header + 16 GENEVE Ethernet header (including 8 bytes options) + 14 bytes inner Ethernet header) is added. This is why the default MTU for OVN networks in oVirt is 1442 bytes, which assumes 1500 bytes MTU in the physical network.
The draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-08
I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942.
Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I understanding it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ?
You could check with packet analyzers like tcpdump and wireshark.
I have checked https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU.
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/CKNS5T5KE2W5EI...
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:14 PM Strahil Nikolov <hunter86_bg@yahoo.com> wrote:
If you mean "Administration" -> "Providers" -> "Ovirt-provider-ovn" -> it is enabled.
Yes, this one. If it is enabled, Engine should reflect the MTU which is provided by ovirt-provider-ovn via OpenStack API. The related configuration value dhcp-mtu of ovirt-provider-ovn is explained in https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-provider-ovn/blob/master/README.adoc.
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov
В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 21:10:02 Гринуич+2, Strahil Nikolov < hunter86_bg@yahoo.com> написа:
Any hint for the location of "Automatic Synchronization" in UI ?
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov
В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 20:16:13 Гринуич+2, Dominik Holler < dholler@redhat.com> написа:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:03 PM Strahil Nikolov <hunter86_bg@yahoo.com> wrote:
in 4.3.10's UI it shows 1500 :)
This might be just a misleading representation of the default value or an unknown value. If "Automatic Synchronization" is enabled for the ovirt-provider-ovn in oVirt Engine, the value should be updated in Engine to the correct after the next synchronization in the background.
В петък, 30 октомври 2020 г., 13:25:05 Гринуич+2, Dominik Holler <
dholler@redhat.com> написа:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 9:36 PM Alex K <rightkicktech@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 02:49 Strahil Nikolov via Users <users@ovirt.org>
Hello All,
I would like to learn more about OVN and especially the maximum MTU
wrote: that I can use in my environment.
Current Setup 4.3.10 Network was created via UI -> MTU Custom -> 8976 -> Create on External
Provider -> Connect to Physical Network
So my physical connection is MTU 9000 and I have read that Geneve uses
24 bits (maybe that's wrong ?) , thus I have reduced the MTU to 8976. From the internet draft it seems that the tunnel header + reserved bits comprise 64 bits. A common practice for Geneve implementations is to use 8900 mtu for VMs when having 9000 mtu physical network.
Ack, this is a safe choice. In oVirt's default configuration, an overhead of 58 bytes ( = 20 IPv4 header + 8 UDP header + 16 GENEVE Ethernet header (including 8 bytes options) + 14 bytes inner Ethernet header) is added. This is why the default MTU for OVN networks in oVirt is 1442 bytes, which assumes 1500 bytes MTU in the physical network.
The draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-08
I did some testing on the VMs and ping with payload of '8914' was the
maximum I could pass without fragmenting and thus the MTU on the VMs was set to 8942.
Did I correctly configure the test network's MTU and am I
understanding it correctly that we need extra 34 bits inside the network for encapsulation ?
You could check with packet analyzers like tcpdump and wireshark.
I have checked https://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/network/managed_mt... but I don't see any refference how to calculate the max MTU.
Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/CKNS5T5KE2W5EI...
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