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oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes :: 2011-08-31
by Robyn Bergeron 07 Sep '11

07 Sep '11

oVirt Sync Call Meeting Minutes Wednesday, Aug 31 2011, 17:30 UTC (1:30pm US Eastern, 10:30am US Pacific) NOTE: Meeting moves next week, details in minutes below. == Invitees/Attendees == project-planning(a)ovirt.org list subscribers Present: Andy Cathrow (Red Hat) Mike Evans (Red Hat) Itamar Heim (Red Hat) Jim Jagielski (Red Hat) Mike Day (IBM) Robyn Bergeron (Red Hat) Perry Myers (Red Hat) Karsten Wade (Red hat) Adam Mendoza (NetApp) Jim Wasko (IBM) Ryan Harper (IBM) (If I missed your name, again, sorry - a ton of noise all at once. I may drop the attendees section in the future since meeting notes reflect a lot of the participation - takes too much time out of a short meeting to try and capture who is on.) == Project Schedule == * Confirm initial project invites by September 14 * Website Launch - September * oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th) * Community startup @ workshop * Press release post-workshop * Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need list) * Governance * How to get involved * Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November (need list) * Source code release * ?? * First release - January/February. == Working Shared Document == (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) == Week's Action Items == * Everyone: Please notify Carl or Robyn of people not yet subscribed to project-planning mailing list that should be. (ongoing) * Everyone: list speaking/engagement opportunities in the Google Doc, use times to advertise workshop. (Section 8) (ongoing) * Action: Robyn to continue driving Workshop location / participation on list. * Action: All - Need to add companies we are in discussions with ((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) for example) to invite list for workshop * Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities. * Action: Jim J. to follow up with Karsten / Carl on first draft of website content. * Action: Robyn/Andy to work on updated slide set to send out. * Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities. * Action: Andy to loop back with Mike Day on contact details for (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) * Action: Robyn to send out updated meeting invites * Action: Mike Day to look into other parts of Intel - querying Mike Richmond from Intel from systems management perspective. * Action: Ryan/Mike of IBM to follow up with Anthony on (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) convo (or Anthony can provide an update as well) == Agenda == 1) Board invites, status (Mike) * New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress: * SUSE (Carl) - now confirmed * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.) - need update. * New status Mike day is aware of: * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) - Waitng to hear back from people in Virt. * Action: Andy to loop back with Mike Day on contact details for (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) * Other: * Other folks on call / list are allowed to speak with other potential invites * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) as prospect - * Mike Day to look into other parts of Intel - querying Mike Richmond from Intel from systems management perspective. 2) Settle ongoing meeting time slot * Agreed - 10am Wednesdays * Robyn to send out updated invites 3) Updated slide set (Robyn) * Things to update: * Consistent feedback has been: * How do we envision the board - when is the board elected - etc. * Info on board being fluid, larger, more board members * NEED TO: Crisp up slides that clarify board role and members * How does this relate to OpenStack, other projects that may be a conflict * Need to be clear about why it's not a conflict * Define plans on interaction with other communities * NEED TO add FAQ or slide to stack re: Other communities. * Slides around deliverables - define what RHEV was or IS * Need to update with current board members, schedule., workshop info. * Action: Robyn/Andy to work on updated slide set to send out. * Need additional slide set to send out to non-board but community participants, esp. to get participation in the initial workshop. * To be a condensed version of Board slide deck * Action pending Robyn/Andy update of original slide deck. 4) OpenStack discussion (added mid-meeting) * Everyone in industry has joined * Why are we competing * IBM doesn't want support/sponsorship of oVirt to say anything about what they are doing or plan to do with OpenStack. * Team Thoughts: * We may be conflicting at some point * OS is not nearly as open of a community, really only 2 companies rep'd on board * More of a cloud vendor solution, oVirt more of a data center virt solution * OpenStack not as concerned with Data Center solutions * OpenStack can build on top of oVirt, in addition to Nova * We are KVM specific * We don't restrict our scope - open to a wide range of contributions * Key differentiator - we are focused on building a community from the ground up, that develops the open source projecss and projects, board is not restricting/driving direction * Following the Open Source Way * Action: Karsten to drive mailing discussion on positioning/differentiation, interaction with other communities. * Jim J. happy to take lead on any specific community questions people have. 4) Website launch (Karsten, Carl, Jim J.) * Status on first-pass of site content * Jim has started drafting some content/blog post for an intro. He's going to clean up and send to Karsten / Carl for feedback. * Karsten is working on getting up a wiki instance in a private space for us in the meantime, should be up in the next week. 5) oVirt Workshop / Summit (Karsten/Robyn) * Workshop participation - attendee list status (Robyn) * We still need names. PLEASE ADD THEM. * Please reach out to your teams internally or add their names proactively. * Action: If you were a touch point in inviting someone to the board who is NOT representing on the Workshop list - please reach out to them. * Location * Tentatively considering colocation with LinuxCon Europe. * WANT TO DECIDE BY END OF WEEK. * Action: Robyn to continue driving on list. * Action: Need to add companies we are in discussions with ((COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) for example) to invite list. * Non-Board invitees - Need to frame how to invite. * Pending updated slideset for non-board members. * Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list: (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) 6) Governance Docs (Carl) * Carl out this week. 7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item) * Need more discussion on google doc - Robyn to prod on mailing list.

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what and why - oVirt positioning
by Karsten Wade 01 Sep '11

01 Sep '11

There was a short and lively discussion on the phone today about why we are building an open virtualization community from the ground up. For example, people are being asked why we aren't putting this energy in to joining existing open-virt efforts. The problem with the latter discussion is it too easily gets in to comparing fresh oranges with dried bananas - that is, it appears to be a common discussion domain (fruit!), but the form, function, and contents are very different. In the end, if you are going to talk about fresh oranges, it doesn't make sense to bring up dried bananas. Bringing this discussion to the mailing list, this gives us a chance to work out our ideas in an open forum (that is, these archives will eventually be open to the public.) Thus a consensus here about why to do this project proves the point that this is an open leadership community from the outset. One theme that came up today I paraphrase here: We have very specific ideas about how to do things the open source way, learned from places such as Apache and Eclipse: * Involve key stakeholders from the beginning; * Require them to put a real stake down to be first-movers; * Make the community from the very outset openly constructed for shared control and management; * Show how to earn a seat at the board table; * Design and build leadership so consensus rolls up and down from sub-projects to a central governance body; * The community sets the project's direction by consensus from the outset. ... then condensing it: The only way to ensure a community is open and moving in the correct direction is to do it right from the start. There's no mistake in starting a new effort to accomplish those goals. ... another version: We're building an open virtualization project from the ground-up, involving key stakeholders as a start, and aggressively focusing on an open governance and project model. As we proceed, if our technology and community-style fit with all these other virtualization and cloud efforts, then integration will go more smoothly. Those are some ideas to start off. Why do *you* think we are doing the oVirt Project? - Karsten -- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership uri: http://communityleadershipteam.org http://TheOpenSourceWay.org gpg: AD0E0C41

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Action Needed - oVirt Workshop Attendees List
by Robyn Bergeron 31 Aug '11

31 Aug '11

Hi folks, Still need people to sign up here. Feel free to sign up yourself, your team members at your company, etc. Pretty please. :) (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) I'd like to have a location settled by the end of this week at the absolutely latest, and have enough attendees listed here by Wednesday's sync meeting to have reasonable discussion around location. I have added a second page to the spreadsheet (page tabs are at bottom) for adding people/companies/projects who are not yet participating in the initial stages of the project, but would likely have interest in participating in the workshop. If you know of: * A company, and having a division/department is helpful, and a contact at that company to reach out to, or have a list of contacts * An open source software project or other organization with names/contacts * Individual contributors ... Please add them to the list on the second page (potential non-board invites), and add your name in the "proposed by" column, so we all know who made the suggestion. Thanks, -Robyn

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oVirt Sync Call Agenda :: 2011-08-31
by Robyn Bergeron 31 Aug '11

31 Aug '11

oVirt Sync Call Agenda Wednesdays, 17:30 UTC (1:30pm US Eastern, 10:30am US Pacific) == Intercall Conference == Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679 International Dial-In Number: (212) 729-5016 Other Toll-Free Dial-In Numbers: Listed in meeting invite Conference code: 9197544554 If you are not actively participating in the conversation please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to hear. *6 -- Mute your line #6 -- Unmute your line == Invitees/Attendees == project-planning(a)ovirt.org list subscribers == Project Schedule == * Confirm initial project invites by September 14 * Website Launch - September * oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th) * Community startup @ workshop * Press release post-workshop * Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need list) * Governance * How to get involved * Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November (need list) * Source code release * ?? * First release - January/February. == Working Shared Document == (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) == Agenda == 1) Board invites, status (Mike) * New confirmations / Follow-up on confirmations in progress: * SUSE (Carl) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Carl) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Mike Day) * (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) (Jan W.) 2) Settle ongoing meeting time slot * Proposed: Tuesdays, 10am Eastern, 7am Pacific, 14:00 UTC 3) Updated slide set (Robyn) 4) Website launch (Karsten, Carl, Jim J.) * Status on first-pass of site content 5) oVirt Workshop / Summit (Karsten/Robyn) * Workshop participation - attendee list status (Robyn) * Discuss progress on location/date (Ongoing, Karsten) * Next Steps * Current Workshop Attendee / Invitee list * (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) 6) Governance Docs (Carl) * Status 7) Infrastructure (Open Agenda item) * Other mailing lists * Source code release 8) Your Agenda Item Here == Previous Action Items == * Mike Day to chair meeting next week. (Done) * Carl Trieloff to hand off bridge code to Mike Day. (Done) * Everyone: Please notify Carl or Robyn of people not yet subscribed to project-planning mailing list that should be. (ongoing) * Robyn to forward Google Doc address to project-planning list. (Done) * Carl to confirm with Ralf from SuSE about participation (done) * Carl to send out .pdf/presentation to (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) * Mike Day: Set up meeting with (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) once he has appropriate contacts. * Jan to reach out to (COMPANY NAME REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) for contacts. * Robyn to open separate document for user participation for the workshops. (Done) * Everyone, list speaking/engagement opportunities in the Google Doc, use times to advertise workshop. (Section 8) (ongoing) * Robyn to add section to document - have Legal, etc. provide feedback; Karsten to follow-up on mailing list with pointer/discussion opening. * Carl, Karsten, Jimjag working on first-pass of site content including governance. * Karsten to lead discussion on workshop location logistics. * Robyn to send mail about weeks that are options for the Workshop. Get feedback. (in progress)

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tomorrow's ovirt call
by Michael D Day 31 Aug '11

31 Aug '11

Did we agree to have our weekly call at 3pm EDT tomorrow? or the regular time 1:30 pm EDT? I do recall that I will be moderating the call tomorrow. thanks, Mike Mike Day IBM Distinguished Engineer Chief Virtualization Architect, Open Systems Development Cell: 919 412-3900 | mdday(a)us.ibm.com http://code.ncultra.org

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oVirt Weekly Sync Call
by Robyn Bergeron 30 Aug '11

30 Aug '11

The following is a new meeting request: Subject: oVirt Weekly Sync Call Organizer: "Robyn Bergeron" <rbergero(a)redhat.com> Location: Bridge info listed in invite Time: 10:30:00 AM - 11:00:00 AM GMT -07:00 Arizona Recurrence : Every Wednesday No end date Effective Aug 31, 2011 Invitees: project-planning(a)ovirt.org *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* oVirt project launch synchronization call. * Wednesdays, 17:30 UTC (1:30pm US Eastern,10:30am US Pacific) * Shared document: (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) == Conference Call Info == * Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679 * International dial-in listed below * Conference Code: 9197544554 If you are not actively participating in the conversation please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to hear. *6 -- Mute your line #6 -- Unmute your line Global Access Numbers Local: Australia, Sydney Dial-In #: 0289852326 Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 012534978196 Belgium, Brussels Dial-In #: 027920405 China Dial-In #: 4006205013 Denmark, Copenhagen Dial-In #: 32729215 Finland, Helsinki Dial-In #: 0923194436 France, Paris Dial-In #: 0170377140 Germany, Berlin Dial-In #: 030300190579 Ireland, Dublin Dial-In #: 014367793 Italy, Milan Dial-In #: 0236269529 Netherlands, Amsterdam Dial-In #: 0207975872 Norway, Oslo Dial-In #: 21033188 Singapore Dial-In #: 64840858 Spain, Barcelona Dial-In #: 935452328 Sweden, Stockholm Dial-In #: 0850513770 Switzerland, Geneva Dial-In #: 0225927881 United Kingdom Dial-In #: 02078970515 United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08445790676 United Kingdom, LocalCall Dial-In #: 08445790678 United States Dial-In #: 2127295016 Global Access Numbers Tollfree: Argentina Dial-In #: 8004441016 Australia Dial-In #: 1800337169 Austria Dial-In #: 0800005898 Bahamas Dial-In #: 18002054776 Bahrain Dial-In #: 80004377 Belgium Dial-In #: 080048325 Brazil Dial-In #: 08008921002 Bulgaria Dial-In #: 008001100236 Chile Dial-In #: 800370228 Colombia Dial-In #: 018009134033 Costa Rica Dial-In #: 08000131048 Cyprus Dial-In #: 80095297 Czech Republic Dial-In #: 800700318 Denmark Dial-In #: 80887114 Dominican Republic Dial-In #: 18887512313 Estonia Dial-In #: 8000100232 Finland Dial-In #: 0800117116 France Dial-In #: 0805632867 Germany Dial-In #: 8006647541 Greece Dial-In #: 00800127562 Hong Kong Dial-In #: 800930349 Hungary Dial-In #: 0680016796 Iceland Dial-In #: 8008967 India Dial-In #: 0008006501533 Indonesia Dial-In #: 0018030179162 Ireland Dial-In #: 1800932401 Israel Dial-In #: 1809462557 Italy Dial-In #: 800985897 Jamaica Dial-In #: 18002050328 Japan Dial-In #: 0120934453 Korea (South) Dial-In #: 007986517393 Latvia Dial-In #: 80003339 Lithuania Dial-In #: 880030479 Luxembourg Dial-In #: 80026595 Malaysia Dial-In #: 1800814451 Mexico Dial-In #: 0018664590915 New Zealand Dial-In #: 0800888167 Norway Dial-In #: 80012994 Panama Dial-In #: 008002269184 Philippines Dial-In #: 180011100991 Poland Dial-In #: 008001210187 Portugal Dial-In #: 800814625 Russian Federation Dial-In #: 81080028341012 Saint Kitts and Nevis Dial-In #: 18002059252 Singapore Dial-In #: 8006162235 Slovak Republic Dial-In #: 0800001441 South Africa Dial-In #: 0800981148 Spain Dial-In #: 800300524 Sweden Dial-In #: 200896860 Switzerland Dial-In #: 800650077 Taiwan Dial-In #: 00801127141 Thailand Dial-In #: 001800656966 Trinidad and Tobago Dial-In #: 18002024615 United Arab Emirates Dial-In #: 8000650591 United Kingdom Dial-In #: 08006948057 United States Dial-In #: 8004518679 Uruguay Dial-In #: 00040190315 Venezuela Dial-In #: 08001627182

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Add names: oVirt workshop attendees list
by Robyn Bergeron 26 Aug '11

26 Aug '11

I've put together a simple spreadsheet on google docs to start gathering information on who the likely attendees for a workshop are. I realize that without a date and location in mind, it is hard to commit, so let's consider this to be a "firmly interested/likely" list at this point. I've requested Name, email, company, role, the name of any subproject or potential subproject the person is affiliated with, if any (Nogah, QEMU, etc.), and where they are located. If you're tentatively planning to attend, please add yourself, along with any team members who will also be likely to attend, or alternately share the link with those team members so they may add themselves. (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) I'll add this link into our master document as well. Thanks, -Robyn

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first oVirt Project workshop - where, when
by Karsten Wade 25 Aug '11

25 Aug '11

We need to decide where and when to have the first oVirt workshop. So far, the focus has been on end of October or in November. Suggested locations: * Linuxcon Europe - Prague 26 - 28 October 2011 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe * Silicon Valley, CA, USA (at Intel?) * London, UK * Portland, OR, USA? (at Intel) * Your suggestion? Goals are (please add/fix): * Draw large initial attention - maximum buzz. * Be wide open to the world. * Introduce the project and architecture, do a key component walk through. * Technical & leadership breakouts. * Be most useful for developers in oVirt: ** Hackathon. ** How-to sessions? ** Write the Big Schedule/roadmap for the year. * Be also useful and interesting for these audiences: ** Organizations of all sizes that are potential contributors. ** Developers who work on top of or with oVirt technologies. ** Systems and IT people who want to keep track of and influence the future of open virtualization. ** Anyone interested in getting real work done in the open virtualization space. This would be the first of probably annual or twice-a-year events for planning the oVirt roadmaps across various sub-projects. In addition, there might be regular (monthly?) developer meetup events with a strong workshop/hackfest theme. - Karsten -- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership uri: http://communityleadershipteam.org http://TheOpenSourceWay.org gpg: AD0E0C41

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Shared document and other list information
by Robyn Bergeron 24 Aug '11

24 Aug '11

Hi everyone, Since we're gaining new people daily on this list I thought I'd point out a few helpful documents: * Google shared document: This doc is viewable only by people with the link. It's still very much taking shape. Since we don't have a wiki or other shared space at this point, it's about the best we can do for the moment. If you have information you'd like to add, please feel free to place it in the document; adding your name is helpful if you have questions or comments that you are putting in so we have context around who is asking. Carl, Karsten, and I have been working this document fairly actively, and everyone is welcome to join in and help. (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) * Mailing List. That's *this* list - if you have additional people from your respective teams who need to be added, please let myself or Carl know so that they can be added. If you would like to catch up on what has already been sent out, reading the meeting archives may be helpful. Meeting minutes and agendas for the weekly synchronization meeting will also be sent to this list. http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/project-planning <-- use the Meeting Archives link. Your password should have been sent to you in your initial notification of list subscription. If you have questions, please feel free to ask! -Robyn

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Weekly oVirt Sync Call - proposed agenda?
by Robyn Bergeron 24 Aug '11

24 Aug '11

Hi folks, Hopefully most on this list received the invite for the weekly synchronization call that Carl sent out. (If not, let me know and I can forward it on to you.) I've put together a proposed agenda for the phone call below; with a 30m call each week, I think we can cover status on a lot of items, provided we make efficient use of the time. :) Since we're really still in start-up mode, I'd like to propose that we cover the big-ticket items and get ownership of things that need to be done in the next 1-2 months in each meeting, and leave longer-term tasks towards the bottom of the agenda (so people know that they're looking for owners, at least.) In my mind, those things are: * Status on initial project invites * Website launch * oVirt Workshop We can track minutes from each week in the shared document [1], and I'll volunteer to ship the minutes out to this list as well after each meeting. If you have other items you'd like to add to the agenda, or have other comments re: this mail, please speak up :) -Robyn [1] (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) Proposed Agenda: oVirt Sync Call Wednesdays, 17:30 UTC (1:30pm US Eastern, 10:30am US Pacific) == Intercall Conference == Toll Free Dial-In Number (US & Canada): (800) 451-8679 International Dial-In Number: (212) 729-5016 Other Toll-Free Dial-In Numbers: Listed in meeting invite Conference code: 9197544554 If you are not actively participating in the conversation please put your line on mute to make it easier for all participants to hear. *6 -- Mute your line #6 -- Unmute your line == Invitees/Attendees == project-planning(a)ovirt.org Attendee names go here. == Project Schedule == * Confirm initial project invites by September 14 * Website Launch - September * oVirt Workshop - week of (October 24th or November 14th) * Community startup @ workshop * Press release post-workshop * Community Infrastructure Tasks - People - October - December (need list) * Governance * How to get involved * Community Infrastructure Tasks - Technology - Now - October/November (need list) * Source code release * ?? * First release - January/February. == Working Shared Document == (URL REDACTED - INFO: http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/project-planning/2011-September/000283.html) == Agenda == 1) Board invites, status (Carl) 2) Website launch * Need owner * Content/scope? 3) oVirt Workshop / Summit * Needs owner * Needs dates, several under consideration. 4) Governance Docs (Carl) 5) Infrastructure * Other mailing lists * Source code release 6) Initial Code release 7) Your Agenda Item Here

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