Running in db and not running in VDS

Hi, VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :- 2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b (b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650)* is running in db and not running in VDS compute11* *and for delete VM :- * 2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN [org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector] (ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: -1, Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a *has been removed, but the following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in the main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when possible.* *Thanks,* *Punit*

----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:11:03 AM Subject: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi,
VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :-
2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b (b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650) is running in db and not running in VDS compute11
this is ok, this means that the engine discovered vm that moved to down look at the log for the reason it failed.
and for delete VM :-
2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN [org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector] (ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: -1, Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a has been removed, but the following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in the main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when possible.
Thanks,
Punit
_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Hi Omer, but when i destroy the vm...vm destroyed successfully but it's disk doesn't and when i try to manually remove the disk from ovirt...it's failed to remove also.... Thanks, Punit On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:11:03 AM Subject: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi,
VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :-
2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b (b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650) is running in db and not running in VDS compute11
this is ok, this means that the engine discovered vm that moved to down look at the log for the reason it failed.
and for delete VM :-
2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN [org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector] (ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: -1, Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a has been removed, but the following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in the main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when possible.
Thanks,
Punit
_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
but when i destroy the vm...vm destroyed successfully but it's disk doesn't and when i try to manually remove the disk from ovirt...it's failed to remove also....
can you please attach engine.log and vdsm.log for the removeVm ?
Thanks, Punit
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:11:03 AM Subject: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi,
VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :-
2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b (b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650) is running in db and not running in VDS compute11
this is ok, this means that the engine discovered vm that moved to down look at the log for the reason it failed.
and for delete VM :-
2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN [org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector] (ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: -1, Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a has been removed, but the following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in the main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when possible.
Thanks,
Punit
_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Hi Omer, Please find the attached logs.... Vm name :- punit [image: Inline image 1] On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
but when i destroy the vm...vm destroyed successfully but it's disk doesn't and when i try to manually remove the disk from ovirt...it's failed to remove also....
can you please attach engine.log and vdsm.log for the removeVm ?
Thanks, Punit
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:11:03 AM Subject: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi,
VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :-
2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b
is
running in db and not running in VDS compute11
this is ok, this means that the engine discovered vm that moved to down look at the log for the reason it failed.
and for delete VM :-
2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector]
(ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: -1, Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a has been removed, but
following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in the main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when
(b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650) the possible.
Thanks,
Punit
_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:18:36 AM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
Please find the attached logs....
looks like some communication issue with the spm, is the vdsm.log attached is the log of the spm for that time? i could not see the calls there.. 2015-02-26 12:12:17,894 ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsBrokerCommand] (org.ovirt.thread.pool-8-thread-25) [180029b1] IrsBroker::Failed::DeleteImageGroupVDS due to: IRSErrorException: IRSGenericException: IRSErrorException: Failed to DeleteImageGroupVDS, error = Connection timed out, code = 100
Vm name :- punit
[image: Inline image 1]
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
but when i destroy the vm...vm destroyed successfully but it's disk doesn't and when i try to manually remove the disk from ovirt...it's failed to remove also....
can you please attach engine.log and vdsm.log for the removeVm ?
Thanks, Punit
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:11:03 AM Subject: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi,
VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :-
2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b
is
running in db and not running in VDS compute11
this is ok, this means that the engine discovered vm that moved to down look at the log for the reason it failed.
and for delete VM :-
2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector]
(ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: -1, Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a has been removed, but
following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in the main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when
(b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650) the possible.
Thanks,
Punit
_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Hi Omer, Yes...it's the log for the SPM also ... Thanks, Punit On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:18:36 AM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
Please find the attached logs....
looks like some communication issue with the spm, is the vdsm.log attached is the log of the spm for that time? i could not see the calls there..
2015-02-26 12:12:17,894 ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsBrokerCommand] (org.ovirt.thread.pool-8-thread-25) [180029b1] IrsBroker::Failed::DeleteImageGroupVDS due to: IRSErrorException: IRSGenericException: IRSErrorException: Failed to DeleteImageGroupVDS, error = Connection timed out, code = 100
Vm name :- punit
[image: Inline image 1]
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com>
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
but when i destroy the vm...vm destroyed successfully but it's disk doesn't and when i try to manually remove the disk from ovirt...it's failed
to
remove also....
can you please attach engine.log and vdsm.log for the removeVm ?
Thanks, Punit
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>,
Perina" <mperina@redhat.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:11:03 AM Subject: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi,
VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :-
2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b (b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650) is running in db and not running in VDS compute11
this is ok, this means that the engine discovered vm that moved to down look at the log for the reason it failed.
and for delete VM :-
2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector]
(ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: -1, Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a has been removed, but
following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in the main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when
"Martin the possible.
Thanks,
Punit
_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Hi Omer, Still i am facing the same issue...would you mind to help me here ... Thanks, Punit On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Punit Dambiwal <hypunit@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Omer,
Yes...it's the log for the SPM also ...
Thanks, Punit
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:18:36 AM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
Please find the attached logs....
looks like some communication issue with the spm, is the vdsm.log attached is the log of the spm for that time? i could not see the calls there..
2015-02-26 12:12:17,894 ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsBrokerCommand] (org.ovirt.thread.pool-8-thread-25) [180029b1] IrsBroker::Failed::DeleteImageGroupVDS due to: IRSErrorException: IRSGenericException: IRSErrorException: Failed to DeleteImageGroupVDS, error = Connection timed out, code = 100
Vm name :- punit
[image: Inline image 1]
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com>
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
but when i destroy the vm...vm destroyed successfully but it's disk doesn't and when i try to manually remove the disk from ovirt...it's failed
to
remove also....
can you please attach engine.log and vdsm.log for the removeVm ?
Thanks, Punit
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> > To: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>,
Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:11:03 AM > Subject: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS > > Hi, > > VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :- > > 2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO > [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] > (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM > 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b (b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650) is > running in db and not running in VDS compute11 >
this is ok, this means that the engine discovered vm that moved to down look at the log for the reason it failed.
> and for delete VM :- > > > > 2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN > [org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector] > (ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: > 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: -1, > Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a has been removed, but
> following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in the > main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when
"Martin the possible.
> > > > > Thanks, > > Punit > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >

Hi Omer, Whenever i try to remove the VM...in between the remove procedure my data-store goes unknown and come up active with remove VM failed... [image: Inline image 1] I have attached logs here :- http://fpaste.org/199381/ Thanks, Punit On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Punit Dambiwal <hypunit@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Omer,
Still i am facing the same issue...would you mind to help me here ...
Thanks, Punit
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Punit Dambiwal <hypunit@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Omer,
Yes...it's the log for the SPM also ...
Thanks, Punit
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:18:36 AM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
Please find the attached logs....
looks like some communication issue with the spm, is the vdsm.log attached is the log of the spm for that time? i could not see the calls there..
2015-02-26 12:12:17,894 ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsBrokerCommand] (org.ovirt.thread.pool-8-thread-25) [180029b1] IrsBroker::Failed::DeleteImageGroupVDS due to: IRSErrorException: IRSGenericException: IRSErrorException: Failed to DeleteImageGroupVDS, error = Connection timed out, code = 100
Vm name :- punit
[image: Inline image 1]
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com>
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>, "Martin Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS
Hi Omer,
but when i destroy the vm...vm destroyed successfully but it's disk doesn't and when i try to manually remove the disk from ovirt...it's
failed to
remove also....
can you please attach engine.log and vdsm.log for the removeVm ?
Thanks, Punit
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Omer Frenkel <ofrenkel@redhat.com
wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Punit Dambiwal" <hypunit@gmail.com> > > To: users@ovirt.org, "Martin Pavlik" <mpavlik@redhat.com>,
"Martin
> Perina" <mperina@redhat.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:11:03 AM > > Subject: [ovirt-users] Running in db and not running in VDS > > > > Hi, > > > > VM failed to create, failed to reboot and through the errors :- > > > > 2015-02-23 17:27:11,879 INFO > > [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo] > > (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-64) [1546215a] VM > > 8325d21f97888adff6bd6b70bfd6c13b (b74d945c-c9f8-4336-a91b-390a11f07650) > is > > running in db and not running in VDS compute11 > > > > this is ok, this means that the engine discovered vm that moved to down > look at the log for the reason it failed. > > > and for delete VM :- > > > > > > > > 2015-02-23 17:21:44,625 WARN > >
[org.ovirt.engine.core.dal.dbbroker.auditloghandling.AuditLogDirector]
> > (ajp--127.0.0.1-8702-57) [4534b0a2] Correlation ID: 6bbbb769, Job ID: > > 76d135de-ef8d-41dc-9cc0-855134ededce, Call Stack: null, Custom Event ID: > -1, > > Message: VM 1feac62b8cd19fcc2ff296957adc8a4a has been removed, but the > > following disks could not be removed: Disk1. These disks will appear in > the > > main disks tab in illegal state, please remove manually when possible. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Punit > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users@ovirt.org > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > >
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