[ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal

David Caro dcaroest at redhat.com
Thu Jun 11 14:39:35 UTC 2015


On 06/11, Nir Soffer wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Caro" <dcaroest at redhat.com>
> > To: "Oved Ourfali" <oourfali at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Oved Ourfali" <ovedo at redhat.com>, "Eyal Edri" <eedri at redhat.com>, "infra" <infra at ovirt.org>, devel at ovirt.org
> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:19:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > For now can we agree that we want the ci flag at least?
> 
> We should not vote on the "how the system will be implemented", but on
> "what the system should do".


I'm not asking for a vote, I'm asking for agreement on a small solution to
solve an issue that is hurting us right now, that will grant us time to
discuss the direction we want to take.

When you are bleeding a lot the first step is stopping the bleed, then you can
reevaluate the situation and decide if you should or should not to put your
hand in the blender again.


> 
> > 
> > On 06/07, Oved Ourfali wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Jun 7, 2015 10:00 AM, Eyal Edri <eedri at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Oved Ourfali" <ovedo at redhat.com>
> > > > > To: "Eyal Edri" <eedri at redhat.com>
> > > > > Cc: infra at ovirt.org, devel at ovirt.org
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:55:56 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Eyal Edri" <eedri at redhat.com>
> > > > > > To: "Eli Mesika" <emesika at redhat.com>
> > > > > > Cc: "Oved Ourfali" <ovedo at redhat.com>, devel at ovirt.org,
> > > > > > infra at ovirt.org
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:52:15 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Eli Mesika" <emesika at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Oved Ourfali" <ovedo at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: "Eyal Edri" <eedri at redhat.com>, infra at ovirt.org,
> > > > > > > devel at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 3:49:05 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Oved Ourfali" <ovedo at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Eyal Edri" <eedri at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > Cc: devel at ovirt.org, infra at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 10:03:02 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Eyal Edri" <eedri at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Sandro Bonazzola" <sbonazzo at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: infra at ovirt.org, devel at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:46:40 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Sandro Bonazzola" <sbonazzo at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Eyal Edri" <eedri at redhat.com>, "Max Kovgan"
> > > > > > > > > > <mkovgan at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: devel at ovirt.org, infra at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:11:10 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Il 03/06/2015 21:46, Eyal Edri ha scritto:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > >> From: "Max Kovgan" <mkovgan at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >> To: devel at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > > > > >> Cc: infra at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 8:22:54 PM
> > > > > > > > > > >> Subject: [ovirt-devel] gerrit+ci improvement proposal
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hi everyone!
> > > > > > > > > > >> We really want to have reliable and snappy CI: to allow
> > > > > > > > > > >> short
> > > > > > > > > > >> cycles
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >> encourage developers to write tests.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> # Problem
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Many patches are neither ready for review nor for CI upon
> > > > > > > > > > >> submission,
> > > > > > > > > > >> which
> > > > > > > > > > >> is OK.
> > > > > > > > > > >> But running all the jobs on those patches with limited
> > > > > > > > > > >> resources
> > > > > > > > > > >> results
> > > > > > > > > > >> in:
> > > > > > > > > > >> overloaded resources, slow response time, unhappy
> > > > > > > > > > >> developers.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> # Proposed Solution
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> To run less jobs we know we don’t need to, thus making
> > > > > > > > > > >> more
> > > > > > > > > > >> resources
> > > > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > > > >> jobs we need to run.
> > > > > > > > > > >> We have been experimenting to make our CI stabler and
> > > > > > > > > > >> quicker to
> > > > > > > > > > >> respond
> > > > > > > > > > >> by
> > > > > > > > > > >> using gerrit flags. This has improved in both directions
> > > > > > > > > > >> very
> > > > > > > > > > >> well
> > > > > > > > > > >> internally.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Now it seems a good time to let all the oVirt projects to
> > > > > > > > > > >> use
> > > > > > > > > > >> this.
> > > > > > > > > > >> This solution indirectly promotes reviews and quick tests
> > > > > > > > > > >> - “to
> > > > > > > > > > >> fail
> > > > > > > > > > >> early”,
> > > > > > > > > > >> yet full blown static code analysis and long tests to run
> > > > > > > > > > >> “when
> > > > > > > > > > >> ready”.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> # How it works
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 2 new gerrit independent flags are added to gerrit.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> ## CI flag
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Will express patch CI status. Values:
> > > > > > > > > > >>  * +1 CI passed
> > > > > > > > > > >>  *  0 CI did not run yet
> > > > > > > > > > >>  * -1 CI failed
> > > > > > > > > > >> Permissions for setting: project maintainers (for special
> > > > > > > > > > >> cases)
> > > > > > > > > > >> should
> > > > > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > > > > >> able to set/override (except Jenkins).
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> ## Workflow flag
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Will express patch “workflow” state. Values:
> > > > > > > > > > >>  *  0 Work In Progress
> > > > > > > > > > >>  * +1 Ready For Review
> > > > > > > > > > >>  * +2 Ready For Merge
> > > > > > > > > > >> Permissions for setting: Owner can set +1, Project
> > > > > > > > > > >> Maintainers
> > > > > > > > > > >> can
> > > > > > > > > > >> set
> > > > > > > > > > >> +2
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> ## Review + CI Integration:
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Merging [“Submit” button to appear] will require:
> > > > > > > > > > >> Review+1,
> > > > > > > > > > >> CI+1,
> > > > > > > > > > >> Workflow+2
> > > > > > > > > > >> Patch lifecycle now is:
> > > > > > > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >> patch state   |owner     |reviewer |maintainer |CI tests
> > > > > > > > > > >> |pass
> > > > > > > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >> added/updated |-         |-        |-          |quick
> > > > > > > > > > >>     |CI+1
> > > > > > > > > > >> review        |Workflow+1|Review+1 |-          |heavy
> > > > > > > > > > >> |CI+1
> > > > > > > > > > >> merge ready   |-         |-        |Workflow+2 |gating
> > > > > > > > > > >>    |CI+1
> > > > > > > > > > >> merge         |-         |-        |merge      |merge
> > > > > > > > > > >>     |CI+1
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Changes from current workflow:
> > > > > > > > > > >> Owner only adds reviewers, now owner needs to set
> > > > > > > > > > >> "Workflow+1"
> > > > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > > > >> patch
> > > > > > > > > > >> to be reviewed, and heavily auto-tested.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Maintainer now needs to set "Workflow+2" and wait for
> > > > > > > > > > >> "Submit"
> > > > > > > > > > >> button
> > > > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > > > >> appear after CI has completed running gating tests.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Next step will be to automate merge the change after
> > > > > > > > > > >> Workflow+2
> > > > > > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > > > > > >> been
> > > > > > > > > > >> set
> > > > > > > > > > >> by the Maintainer and gating tests passed.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> ## Why now?
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> It is elimination of waste. The sooner - the better.
> > > > > > > > > > >> The solution has been used for a while and it works.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Resolving the problem without gerrit involved will lead to
> > > > > > > > > > >> adding
> > > > > > > > > > >> unreliable
> > > > > > > > > > >> code into jobs, and will still be prone to problems:
> > > > > > > > > > >>   Just recently, 3d ago we’ve tried detecting what to run
> > > > > > > > > > >>   from
> > > > > > > > > > >>   jenkins
> > > > > > > > > > >>   relying only on gerrit comments so that upon Verified+1,
> > > > > > > > > > >>   we’d
> > > > > > > > > > >>   run
> > > > > > > > > > >>   the
> > > > > > > > > > >>   job.
> > > > > > > > > > >>   We could not use “Review+1”, because it makes no sense
> > > > > > > > > > >>   at all,
> > > > > > > > > > >>   so
> > > > > > > > > > >>   we
> > > > > > > > > > >>   left
> > > > > > > > > > >>   the job to set Verified+1.
> > > > > > > > > > >>   Meaning - re-trigger itself immediately more than 1
> > > > > > > > > > >>   times.
> > > > > > > > > > >>   
> > > > > > > > > > >>   Jenkins and its visitors very unhappy, and we had to
> > > > > > > > > > >>   stop
> > > > > > > > > > >>   those
> > > > > > > > > > >>   jobs,
> > > > > > > > > > >>   clean
> > > > > > > > > > >>   up the queue, and spam developers.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> ## OK OK OK. Now what?
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Now we want your comments and opinions before pushing this
> > > > > > > > > > >> further:
> > > > > > > > > > >> Please participate in this thread, so we can start trying
> > > > > > > > > > >> it
> > > > > > > > > > >> out.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Ask, Suggest better ideas, all this is welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Best Regards!
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> N.B.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Of course, this is not written in stone, in case we find a
> > > > > > > > > > >> better
> > > > > > > > > > >> approach
> > > > > > > > > > >> on
> > > > > > > > > > >> solving those issues, we will change to it.
> > > > > > > > > > >> And we will keep improving so don't be afraid that it will
> > > > > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > > > > >> enforced:
> > > > > > > > > > >> if
> > > > > > > > > > >> this does not work out we will discard it.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> P.S.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Kudos to dcaro, most of the work was done by him, and most
> > > > > > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > > > > >> text
> > > > > > > > > > >> too.
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > +1 from me, releasing CI from running non critical and
> > > > > > > > > > > un-essential
> > > > > > > > > > > jobs
> > > > > > > > > > > will not only reduce load from ci,
> > > > > > > > > > > and shorted response time for developers, it will allow us
> > > > > > > > > > > to add
> > > > > > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > powerful tests such as functional & system
> > > > > > > > > > > tests that actually add hosts and run VMs, improving our
> > > > > > > > > > > ability
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > find
> > > > > > > > > > > regression much more effectively.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Another benefit to consider is saving reviewers time. I.e
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > jenkins
> > > > > > > > > > > benefits from Worklow+1, but also human reviewers.
> > > > > > > > > > > Instead of looking at a patch that is too early to be
> > > > > > > > > > > reviewed,
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > author
> > > > > > > > > > > can set the Workflow+1 when the code is ready to review
> > > > > > > > > > > (even if he didn't verified it yet), thus saving time to
> > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > reviewers
> > > > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > > for example people can add an email rule
> > > > > > > > > > > to alert them only when they are added to patches that have
> > > > > > > > > > > Workflow+1,
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > not before.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > For human reviewers I suggest to keep using drafts until the
> > > > > > > > > > patch
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > keep using? how many developers do you know are working with
> > > > > > > > > drafts
> > > > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > their patch is ready?
> > > > > > > > > i agree if everyone would use drafts load on jenkins was
> > > > > > > > > already much
> > > > > > > > > lower,
> > > > > > > > > unfortunately its not the case.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > IMO we don't need the "workflow" flag.
> > > > > > > > I'm okay with CI not running on "drafts". And yes... we do use
> > > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > We can try and educate people to use them more where needed.
> > > > > > > > Drafts should be widely used in first-phase development, and less
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > bug-fixes.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > In addition, I think the patch owners shouldn't add reviewers,
> > > > > > > > unless
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > need their input in the stage of the development.
> > > > > > > > Once they want input, they should add reviewers.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 1. So, if the patch is draft then no CI runs on it.
> > > > > > > > 2. Once it turns into non-draft, you can run "light-CI" on it.
> > > > > > > > 3. Once the patch has at least one +1 from a (human) reviewer,
> > > > > > > > then it
> > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > run the "heavy" CI.
> > > > > > > > 4. Once the patch has +1 from heavy CI, and +2 from reviewer
> > > > > > > > (maintainer),
> > > > > > > > then it can be merged.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > That's the process we have today, with slight change on when to
> > > > > > > > run the
> > > > > > > > CI
> > > > > > > > and what CI to run (no CI on drafts, light CI on non-draft, heavy
> > > > > > > > CI on
> > > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > > patches).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This is he right approach to go (I am also using drafts and if
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > don't,
> > > > > > > we can change that....)
> > > > > > > Also, regarding the claim that publishing a draft is a one-way
> > > > > > > process, I
> > > > > > > don't think that this is problematic, you should publish a draft
> > > > > > > after it
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > stable and you addressed all comments and run all tests locally
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > this might be true, but the problem is:
> > > > > >  1. we can't enforce people to use drafts (technically), so until
> > > > > >  they do,
> > > > > >  we'll still have a resource problem
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > We can educate, and I don't see an issue with that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  2. until we do, even "light ci" jobs running per patch will overload
> > > > > >  the
> > > > > >  ci
> > > > > >  without need, this is why relying on another
> > > > > >     flag will help - if adding workflow is a problem, we can use the
> > > > > >     CR+1
> > > > > >     as
> > > > > >     first attempt to improve the flow,
> > > > > >     and consider in the future to use workflow if it will be needed.
> > > > > >     (maybe
> > > > > >     we can even set it automatically somehow)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps marking as "verified" can be this flag.
> > > > > If the patch is verified by the author, then you run light CI on it.
> > > > > If it was also CR+1, run the heavy CI.
> > > >
> > > > question is how soon does an author ticks verify on his patch?
> > > > does he wait for code review before? for e.g. - i heard from some
> > > > developers they wait
> > > > for CI to give them +1 until they even add reviewers, so this might be
> > > > the chicken and egg problem.
> > > 
> > > It depends on the patch I guess.
> > > Again, I think drafts are enough,  and that we shouldn't add another flag
> > > here, so suggesting alternatives for that.
> > > We can "vote" on that flag addition, and other alternatives, and see what
> > > people say.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > That way you both don't need a new flag, and you don't waste resources
> > > > > on
> > > > > non-manually-verified bugs.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Once it's finished and humans reviewed the logic of the
> > > > > > > > > > patch,
> > > > > > > > > > Workflow+1
> > > > > > > > > > should be triggered allowing automation to check the
> > > > > > > > > > correctness of
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > patch.
> > > > > > > > > > IMHO there's no reason for wasting CI time on patches that
> > > > > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > correct
> > > > > > > > > > from an automation point of view but nacked by reviewers.
> > > > > > > > > > Especially
> > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > patches are part of a big patchset.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > And one final note, for Workflow+2 -> this is a preparation
> > > > > > > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > > > > gating
> > > > > > > > > > > system, like Zuul used by openstack, that in the future
> > > > > > > > > > > we might use as automatic merger pending passing a
> > > > > > > > > > > verification
> > > > > > > > > > > step.
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > will prevent errors that happen sometimes
> > > > > > > > > > > post merge due to conflicts or other issues, and will be
> > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > level
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > validation before final merge.
> > > > > > > > > > > But as max said, its all part of the plan and we'll test it
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > before implementing to see its value.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 
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