[ovirt-devel] Slack channel

Wed Sep 6 13:22:26 UTC 2017

> Gitter also seems to be good for that, much more than slack for just being
> available, but Ive been on IRC and have asked, seen others ask, and havent
> really seen much back and forth, theyre mostly all dead channels (slack
> included)

IRC is not too busy, but when it is, it is mostly during European
working hours.. not much activity from the devs during US working
hours as we mostly sit in EMEA. That might not be an obvious
limitation and it might give bad impression too.

Martin

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin at gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW I was mostly coming in from the community perspective.
> While I'm sure most can do proxies/vpn's/etc Im more curious about lowering
> the barrier from people like me writing 3rd party tools that will have quick
> project related questions such as:
>
>  * is this a bug
>  * where do i put in a ticket
>  * is this code wrong
>
> It would be nice to just be able to load up slack (the new unofficial
> standard) and be able to chat quickly with others without a ton of barriers.
> As far as for the full project there are a ton of other issues at play, but
> theres tons to gain from being able to meet/greet/etc with devs on the
> project.
>
> Gitter also seems to be good for that, much more than slack for just being
> available, but Ive been on IRC and have asked, seen others ask, and havent
> really seen much back and forth, theyre mostly all dead channels (slack
> included)
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Martin Sivak <msivak at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain.
>>
>> Why everyone? Someone at oVirt can prepare that for others and just
>> keep it running. The same we would have to do with Rocket for example.
>> The difference is that people can use their own client if they want,
>> that is not an option with Slack. Free tier Slack will become unusable
>> once more people join, the persistent history limit will be depleted
>> very quickly.
>>
>> > How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC
>> > server
>> > behind openvpn?
>>
>> The same as Slack. It does not. But I am not talking about local web
>> based client. I am talking about public web based gateway that uses
>> irc/jabber internally.
>>
>> > What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you
>> > know
>> > the archiver hasn't failed?
>>
>> How do you know that with Slack? The guarantees are exactly the same..
>> none. Real time messaging is not meant for important messages. We have
>> email (well...) and bugzilla for that. You can get guarantees for
>> money I guess, but not in any free service.
>>
>> > Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and
>> > jira?
>> > (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat)
>>
>> I was able to google couple of different projects, there definitely is
>> a JIRA irc notification plugin in use (#optaplanner-dev at freenode uses
>> it). But some setup is probably required..
>>
>> > Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their
>> > client) can see them?
>>
>> This is the biggest pain of all alternative solutions. You need
>> storage.. Jabber is better than IRC in this sense, firewall traversal
>> for direct data transfer is not one of irc's strongpoints.
>>
>> > I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling
>> > my
>> > own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my
>> > day.
>>
>> And are you willing to have multiple different communication tools
>> open just because you are part of multiple communities? I already need
>> email (more than one), bugzilla, Trello, IRC and Slack (my Jabber
>> community kind of died..) and it is becoming too much sometimes..
>>
>> Slack at least offers limited gateway to both IRC and Jabber:
>>
>> https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-to-Slack-over-IRC-and-XMPP
>>
>> We can drop IRC, but we need adequate replacement for people who are
>> not purely web based and work on multiple different projects. I
>> currently have 15 open irc channels and I will prefer any
>> multi-protocol or federated solution over closed one any day.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Greg Sheremeta <gshereme at redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Martin Sivak <msivak at redhat.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up
>> >> > in
>> >> > order
>> >> > to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from
>> >> > above-mentioned).
>> >> > Not everyone can/will do it.
>> >>
>> >> Meaning it is federated, you can connect to any server you want and
>> >> the protocol is open and dead simple + there are hundreds of clients.
>> >> Including web based.. in case you did not look. The same applies to
>> >> archiver services for IRC.
>> >>
>> >> So just setup an archive, publish the irc information + a link to web
>> >> based client and you get the best of both worlds.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Not everyone can/will do it." It's a pain.
>> >
>> > How does a web-based client with archiving work with a private IRC
>> > server
>> > behind openvpn?
>> >
>> > What if the archiver fails and you miss important messages? How do you
>> > know
>> > the archiver hasn't failed?
>> >
>> > Does it let you post images in the chat, where everyone (no matter their
>> > client) can see them?
>> >
>> > Does it integrate with other services that people use, like trello and
>> > jira?
>> > (Can edit cards / bugs right in the chat)
>> >
>> > I just want to work. I don't want to spend (waste, imo) time on rolling
>> > my
>> > own chat technology when I can connect to a website and get on with my
>> > day.
>> >
>> > Just some random thoughts I had. I probably said the same stuff last
>> > time
>> > this came up.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Greg
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The only alternative that got close was Jabber (IM, groups and
>> >> supports file transfers), too bad the adoption there is stagnating.
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Roy Golan <rgolan at redhat.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 at 11:14 Artyom Lukianov <alukiano at redhat.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Like an alternative to Slack or gitter, you can run ZNC server on
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> VM,
>> >> >> that will save all messages for you.
>> >> >>
>> >> > Right, still it is an IRC technology, and every user must set it up
>> >> > in
>> >> > order
>> >> > to keep their presence (which you get out-of-the-box from
>> >> > above-mentioned).
>> >> > Not everyone can/will do it.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Marc Young <3vilpenguin at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Is there hope for slack over IRC?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The problem with IRC is all the connect/disconnect chatter (and
>> >> >>> offline
>> >> >>> being a black hole)
>> >> >>>
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