[Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open Attestation integration with oVirt in 4/9

Chen, Wei D wei.d.chen at intel.com
Thu Apr 18 07:42:10 UTC 2013 

Yes, the host must be rebooted to take effect. Doron, what do you think? 

Best Regards,
Dave Chen


-----Original Message-----
From: Omer Frenkel [mailto:ofrenkel at redhat.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:20 PM
To: Ofri Masad
Cc: Chen, Wei D; Oved Ourfalli; engine-devel at ovirt.org
Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open Attestation integration with oVirt in 4/9



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ofri Masad" <omasad at redhat.com>
> To: "Wei D Chen" <wei.d.chen at intel.com>
> Cc: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo at redhat.com>, engine-devel at ovirt.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:38:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open Attestation 
> integration with oVirt in 4/9
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Can't a host become untrusted  without being rebooted?
> If that is really the case, there is no need for a periodic check - 
> the trigger for the check would be the host rebooting (which is 
> visible to the engine).
> 

+1

> Thanks,
> Ofri
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wei D Chen" <wei.d.chen at intel.com>
> > To: "Itamar Heim" <iheim at redhat.com>, "Ofri Masad" 
> > <omasad at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo at redhat.com>, engine-devel at ovirt.org
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:19:03 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open Attestation 
> > integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > 
> > I think it's more sensible, the initial status should be the real 
> > status for this host (trusted / untrusted) only the untrusted host 
> > will be set to non-operational.
> > we just need poll this host instead of all of the hosts in the 
> > cluster if this can be done in "InitVdsOnUpCommand", and we suppose 
> > this is the first time when this host add into the cluster.
> > Follow these steps (conclusion based on your suggestion).
> > 
> > -	The first time when one host is added into a trust cluster then poll this
> > host, the host will be in "up" status if get "trusted" result from 
> > attestation server, or else, set this host as non-operational status.
> > -	The periodic check will poll all of the hosts only once as this will cut
> > down a lot of time needed instead of poll each host one by one, this 
> > conclusion is based on our experiments because most of time consumed 
> > is in parallel.
> > -	When host is down for a different reason and up again, we suppose
> > "InitVdsOnUpCommand" will be triggered again (right?), so we will 
> > poll this host again to get the real status(trusted / untrusted). 
> > Then mark the host as up or non-operational.

right

> > 
> > As a trusted host flip to untrusted and take effective only under 
> > the condition of this host has been hacked and rebooted, so we 
> > proposal no need to add periodic check if any host's reboot will invoke "InitVdsOnUpCommand"
> > and we add attestation logic in "InitVdsOnUpCommand" is enough.
> > 
> > My proposal would be like this (no periodic check is needed, will 
> > simply our
> > integration)
> > 
> > -	The first time when one host is added into a trust cluster then poll this
> > host, the host will be in "up" status if get "trusted" result from 
> > attestation server, or else, set this host as non-operational status.
> > -	The periodic check will poll all of the hosts only once as this will cut
> > down a lot of time needed instead of poll each host one by one, this 
> > conclusion is based on our experiments because most of time consumed 
> > is in parallel.
> > -	(up -> nonoperationl / trusted -> untrusted)When host is down for a
> > different reason and up again, we suppose "InitVdsOnUpCommand" will 
> > be triggered again (right?) and we also suppose the host will be 
> > non-operational if host is down for some reason (right), so we will 
> > poll this host again to get the real status(trusted / untrusted) 
> > after host's rebooting.
> > -	(nonoperationl -> up / untrusted -> trusted) Admin will activate this
> > host
> > manually after admin fix the issue of this host. Attestation logic 
> > will be added into "VdsManager:activate ()" as the clue you give me before.
> > 
> > Any suggestion?
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > Dave Chen
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Itamar Heim [mailto:iheim at redhat.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:31 PM
> > To: Ofri Masad
> > Cc: Chen, Wei D; Oved Ourfalli; engine-devel at ovirt.org
> > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open Attestation 
> > integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > 
> > On 04/17/2013 10:23 AM, Ofri Masad wrote:
> > > Hi Dave,
> > > The VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo runs every 3 seconds or so. so it not a 
> > > good place to call the attestation host.
> > > Instead, like we suggested earlier, create a new Quartz job (like 
> > > the one I've sent you in the QuotaManager class) which run every 
> > > couple of minutes and update the hosts state.
> > > You can also add the check to InitVdsOnUpCommand, so that if a 
> > > host was down for a different reason, it will be rechecked for attestation.
> > > You can add a UI to allow manual "refresh attestation".
> > >
> > 
> > so the new thread will poll all for all hosts and update the db, 
> > then during the normal monitoring "detect" the issue?
> > 
> > > Ofri
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Wei D Chen" <wei.d.chen at intel.com>
> > >> To: "Omer Frenkel" <ofrenkel at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> > >> <dfediuck at redhat.com>
> > >> Cc: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo at redhat.com>, engine-devel at ovirt.org
> > >> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:53:34 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open 
> > >> Attestation integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>
> > >> Good approach, thanks all. How long it needs to invoke periodic 
> > >> check in the class of VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo? Whether this time configurable?
> > >> My concern is if the initial status of each host added into 
> > >> trusted cluster is non-operational, we need wait a long time for 
> > >> the invoking of this periodic check, so a trusted host's with 
> > >> initial status of non-operational will take a long time to flip to a trusted host.
> > >>
> > >> As I have not seen the configuration of periodic check in 
> > >> VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo, would you give me some tips if you has some clue.
> > >> Thanks a lot.
> > >>
> > >> Best Regards,
> > >> Dave Chen
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: engine-devel-bounces at ovirt.org 
> > >> [mailto:engine-devel-bounces at ovirt.org]
> > >> On Behalf Of Omer Frenkel
> > >> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 7:01 PM
> > >> To: Doron Fediuck
> > >> Cc: Oved Ourfalli; engine-devel at ovirt.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open 
> > >> Attestation integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck at redhat.com>
> > >>> To: "Itamar Heim" <iheim at redhat.com>
> > >>> Cc: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo at redhat.com>, engine-devel at ovirt.org
> > >>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:05:57 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open 
> > >>> Attestation integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim at redhat.com>
> > >>>> To: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo at redhat.com>
> > >>>> Cc: engine-devel at ovirt.org
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:49:12 AM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open 
> > >>>> Attestation integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 04/15/2013 09:20 AM, Oved Ourfalli wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>> From: "Wei D Chen" <wei.d.chen at intel.com>
> > >>>>>> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck at redhat.com>, "Ofri Masad"
> > >>>>>> <omasad at redhat.com>
> > >>>>>> Cc: engine-devel at ovirt.org
> > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:54:18 AM
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] minutes for sync up on Open 
> > >>>>>> Attestation integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Doron and Ofri,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks for your reply, here is some other question.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ii.  When adding a host into the trusted cluster, the host 
> > >>>>>> will be attested via OAT service, only trusted hosted can be added.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Would you also kindly tell me if there is any mandatory logic 
> > >>>>>> check when adding a host into a cluster, so we can also put 
> > >>>>>> attestation logic with these mandatory check together? Some 
> > >>>>>> example or code location is better.
> > >>>>>> Thanks a lot.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think there are two approaches, depending on the use case.
> > >>>>> #1:
> > >>>>> If the host trusted property is static, then you can narrow 
> > >>>>> the tests to two locations:
> > >>>>> * AddVdsCommand - (Vds = Host) - This command is triggered 
> > >>>>> when a new host is added to the system. You can use the 
> > >>>>> canDoAction method (which we have on all commands, and it 
> > >>>>> determines whether an action can be run or not), and there, if 
> > >>>>> cluster requires trusted hosts only, you can test whether this 
> > >>>>> host is trusted or not.
> > >>>>> * ChangeVdsClusterCommand - this command is used when you 
> > >>>>> change the cluster of a host. So, if the target cluster 
> > >>>>> requires tursted hosts, you can do a similar test in its canDoAction method.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> #2:
> > >>>>> If the host trusted property can change, then I'd suggest 
> > >>>>> using the NonOperational property of a host.
> > >>>>> We have a class called VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo that does periodic 
> > >>>>> tests of hosts, deciding what's their status, according to 
> > >>>>> specific flags.
> > >>>>> The code there is quite complex, and would require refactoring 
> > >>>>> at some point, but in the meantime you can use the 
> > >>>>> MonitoringStrategy interface that is being used there, and 
> > >>>>> implement a new monitoring strategy for Open Attestation.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There, in the processHardwareCapabilities, you can test that 
> > >>>>> the host is trusted.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> When creating the strategy, using the 
> > >>>>> MonitoringStrategyFactory, you'll need to create the appropriate strategy.
> > >>>>> Currently we support either virt strategy or gluster strategy 
> > >>>>> or both. In your case you would need virt+attestation /
> > >>>>> gluster+attestation /
> > >>>>> virt+gluster+attestation, according to the services deployed 
> > >>>>> virt+gluster+on the
> > >>>>> cluster.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'd go with the 2nd approach. i.e., not block the host from 
> > >>>> being added, only from being used, based on monitoring / non-op 
> > >>>> status
> > >>>>
> > >>> +1.
> > >>> It means that the admin can add the host, but the host will not 
> > >>> be operational until we get a positive indication from the 
> > >>> attestation service.
> > >>>
> > >> +1
> > >> if we want to test attestation only once, every time before host 
> > >> moves to up.
> > >> the right place for it, imo, is InitVdsOnUpCommand if its 
> > >> periodic also after host is up, then it should be somewhere in 
> > >> the monitoring code
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Does that make sense?
> > >>>>> Doron and Ofri, what did you have in mind for this feature?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> Oved
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Best Regards,
> > >>>>>> Dave Chen
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Doron Fediuck [mailto:dfediuck at redhat.com]
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:03 PM
> > >>>>>> To: Ofri Masad
> > >>>>>> Cc: Wei, Gang; Chen, Wei D; Cao, Buddy; Zhang, Lijuan
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: minutes for sync up on Open Attestation 
> > >>>>>> integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: "Ofri Masad" <omasad at redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: "Gang Wei" <gang.wei at intel.com>
> > >>>>>>> Cc: "Wei D Chen" <wei.d.chen at intel.com>, "Buddy Cao"
> > >>>>>>> <buddy.cao at intel.com>, "Lijuan Zhang" 
> > >>>>>>> <lijuan.zhang at intel.com>, "Doron Fediuck" 
> > >>>>>>> <dfediuck at redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:23:57 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: minutes for sync up on Open Attestation 
> > >>>>>>> integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> answers inside the mail body.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>> From: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck at redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>>> To: "Wei D Chen" <wei.d.chen at intel.com>
> > >>>>>>>> Cc: "Gang Wei" <gang.wei at intel.com>, "Buddy Cao"
> > >>>>>>>> <buddy.cao at intel.com>, "Lijuan Zhang" 
> > >>>>>>>> <lijuan.zhang at intel.com>, "Ofri Masad" <omasad at redhat.com>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:12:26 PM
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: minutes for sync up on Open Attestation 
> > >>>>>>>> integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
> > >>>>>>>> Adding Ofri to answer your questions.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>>> From: "Wei D Chen" <wei.d.chen at intel.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> To: "Gang Wei" <gang.wei at intel.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> > >>>>>>>>> <dfediuck at redhat.com>,
> > >>>>>>>>> "Buddy Cao" <buddy.cao at intel.com>, "Lijuan Zhang"
> > >>>>>>>>> <lijuan.zhang at intel.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:31:05 AM
> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: minutes for sync up on Open Attestation 
> > >>>>>>>>> integration with oVirt in 4/9
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Doron,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> iii.    Then periodic trust check will be added into background
> > >>>>>>>>> process
> > >>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> all existing hosts, once becoming non-trusted, mark it as 
> > >>>>>>>>> non-operational.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> -          [Dave] Would you give me some details about the
> > >>>>>>>>> “background
> > >>>>>>>>> process” mentioned in our sync up meeting? What’s the 
> > >>>>>>>>> process and where is related code?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The use Quartz Job to scheduled background processes.
> > >>>>>>> An example can be found in:
> > >>>>>>> ovirt-engine/backend/manager/modules/bll/src/main/java/org/ovirt/engine/core/bll/Backend.java(Line:
> > >>>>>>> 222)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This code calls a method that is located in:
> > >>>>>>> ovirt-engine/backend/manager/modules/bll/src/main/java/org/o
> > >>>>>>> virt /engin e/core/bll/quota/QuotaManager.java
> > >>>>>>> (Line: 1000)
> > >>>>>>> the @OnTimerMethodAnnotation annotation and the unique job 
> > >>>>>>> name connects the two in runtime.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The job can query the attestation server for all the host 
> > >>>>>>> and then set untrusted hosts to Non-Operational.
> > >>>>>>> the best way would be to call SetNonOperationalVdsCommand 
> > >>>>>>> with a new NonOperationalReason.
> > >>>>>>> This command tries to migrate all VMs from the host and then 
> > >>>>>>> set it non operational.
> > >>>>>>> (We need to think about non-migrational VMs - should we 
> > >>>>>>> close those VMs or keep the host running)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> One more thing you may want to consider; If we get a positive 
> > >>>>>> response for a host which is currently non-operational, issue 
> > >>>>>> an activate command to try and make it operational again.
> > >>>>>> Alternatively, you may decide not to handle it, assuming 
> > >>>>>> untrusted hosts can only be activated manually (see below 
> > >>>>>> Ofri's response on activating a host).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> iv.     If admin fixed the non-operational node and try to switch
> > >>>>>>>>> it
> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>> operational mode again, a trust check will happen to gate 
> > >>>>>>>>> the switching.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> -          [Dave] If there is a button provided from UI  for
> > >>>>>>>>> checking
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> logic? or we need add an extra-button for attestation check only?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> In the UI we already have the "Activate" option. What still 
> > >>>>>>> needs to be added is the check with the attestation provider 
> > >>>>>>> to make sure that if the cluster is defined 'Trusted'. If 
> > >>>>>>> so, only trusted host will succeed in the activate command 
> > >>>>>>> (and, of course, a proper Audit Log error in case the host 
> > >>>>>>> failed to activate due to trust issue.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the correct place to add this check would be in:
> > >>>>>>> ovirt-engine/backend/manager/modules/vdsbroker/src/main/java
> > >>>>>>> /org
> > >>>>>>> /ovirt
> > >>>>>>> /engine/core/vdsbroker/VdsManager.java:activate()
> > >>>>>>> this is where the re-activation process begins.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks very much.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
> > >>>>>>>>> Dave Chen
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