[Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13] "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"

Yuko Katabami ykatabam at redhat.com
Wed Aug 14 22:35:22 UTC 2013 

On 08/15/2013 01:16 AM, Moti Asayag wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yuko Katabami" <ykatabam at redhat.com>
>> To: "Moti Asayag" <masayag at redhat.com>
>> Cc: engine-devel at ovirt.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:08:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13] "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2013 05:26 PM, Yuko Katabami wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2013 05:23 PM, Moti Asayag wrote:
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Yuko Katabami"<ykatabam at redhat.com>
>>>>> To: "Moti Asayag"<masayag at redhat.com>
>>>>> Cc:engine-devel at ovirt.org
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:03:32 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
>>>>> "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/12/2013 04:53 PM, Moti Asayag wrote:
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Yuko Katabami"<ykatabam at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> To:engine-devel at ovirt.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 2:28:05 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Engine-devel] [oVirt/RHEV 3.3 Localization Question #13]
>>>>>>> 	"${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to ask for your help again with the following questions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> File: AppErrors
>>>>>>> Resource ID: ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_VNIC_PROFILE_IN_USE
>>>>>>> Strings: Cannot ${action} ${type}. Several ${entities}
>>>>>>> (${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}) are using this VM network
>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>> profile:
>>>>>>> ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE}
>>>>>>> - Please remove it from all ${entities} that are using it and try
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>> Question:
>>>>>>> Is "${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE_COUNTER}" representing the number of
>>>>>>> entities using the VNIC profile?
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it always greater than 1 or could it be 1 in some cases?
>>>>>> It can be 1 or greater.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is ${ENTITIES_USING_VNIC_PROFILE} representing the name(s) of entities
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> the the VNIC profile?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are 2 examples for the error when the vnic profile is used by one
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> more vms:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A vnic profile used by a single entity:
>>>>>> Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
>>>>>> profile.
>>>>>> Several virtual machines (1) are using this VM network interface
>>>>>> profile:
>>>>>> vm1
>>>>>> - Please remove it from all virtual machines that are using it and try
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A vnic profile used by a two entities:
>>>>>> Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
>>>>>> profile.
>>>>>> Several virtual machines (2) are using this VM network interface
>>>>>> profile:
>>>>>> vm1,
>>>>>> vm2
>>>>>> - Please remove it from all virtual machines that are using it and try
>>>>>> again.
>>>>> Hi Moti,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for your answer with actual examples. It is very
>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my language, I can translate this string in a way which works whether
>>>>> the entity is single or plural, but I am not sure about other supported
>>>>> locales.
>>>>> I will share this with other translators and if it is problematic, I
>>>>> will get back to you via this mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>> Please note that there are several messages that share the same format:
>>>>
>>>> ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_NETWORK_IN_USE=Cannot ${action} ${type}. Several
>>>> ${entities} (${ENTITIES_USING_NETWORK_COUNTER}) are using this logical
>>>> network:\n${ENTITIES_USING_NETWORK}\n - Please remove it from all
>>>> ${entities} that are using it and try again.
>>>>
>>>> ACTION_TYPE_FAILED_PROVIDER_NETWORKS_USED=Cannot ${action} ${type}.
>>>> Several external networks (${NETWORK_NAMES_COUNTER}) are being used by
>>>> virtual machines and/or templates:\n${NETWORK_NAMES}\n - Please resolve
>>>> the external networks usage first and try again.
>>> Thank you Moti for this extra information.
>>> I will also pass this onto other translators.
>>> Very much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Yuko
>> Hi Moti,
>>
>> I have discussed with other translators and confirmed that all those
>> three strings in the same format are problematic for localization.
>> The current format only works if the entity is plural.
>> In the example (with single entity) you have given:
>> *
>> **Error while executing action: Cannot remove VM network interface
>> profile.**
>> ****_Several_ **virtual machine**_s_**(1) **_are_**using this VM network
>> interface profile:**
>> **vm1**
>> **- Please remove it from **_all_**__**virtual machine**_s_**that are
>> using it and try again.*
>>
>> 1) It has the word "several" and "all" preceding the entity. Those
>> adjectives do not work with a singular noun in all languages, and it
>> grammatically wrong in English as well.
>> 2) ${entities} is shown always plural even it is singular "Virtual
>> Machines (1)" - this is not correct.
>> 3) Verb "are" should only be used when the nominative is plural
>>
>> We are wondering if the English strings (all three) can be changed to be
>> grammatically correct.
> Is there a way they can be changed to comply to both singular and plural form ?
> Or there is no escape from separating into 2 messages?
> I'd rather the first option if possible.
>
> Could you open a bug so we could keep track on it ?
Hi Moti,

Thank you very much for your reply.
I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=997197

I listed an option for change but that is not a complete solution and 
one problem remains.
Hope we can find a way to get it resolved.

Kind regards,

Yuko
>
>> (or perhaps separate strings for singular and plural?)
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Yuko
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Thank you again for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuko
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuko
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuko Katabami (?????)
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Regards,

Yuko Katabami (方波見裕子)
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