[Engine-devel] [Users] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19 misses tar at minimal setup

[Dan Kenigsberg]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:09:47AM -0400, Antoni Segura Puimedon wrote:
> I would advocate for  option 2.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com>
> > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Juan Hernandez" <jhernand at redhat.com>, "engine-devel" <engine-devel at ovirt.org>, "arch" <arch at ovirt.org>, "users"
> > <users at ovirt.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:25:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [Users] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19	misses tar at minimal setup
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 30, 2013, at 15:12 , Alon Bar-Lev <alonbl at redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello All,
> > > 
> > > Starting the discussion again...
> > > 
> > > I would like to receive feedback regarding how we should cope with a state
> > > presented to use by Fedora.
> > > 
> > > Fedora-19 minimal setup does not install tar utility which is required to
> > > deploy files during the host-deploy process (Hosts->Add Host).
> > > 
> > > I guess because of 2.8M in size (including translations) -- a standard
> > > commonly used utility was removed.
> > 
> > How about filing bug on that? This is such a basic utility I can't imagine
> > anyone removing it.
> > 
> > > 
> > > There are three alternatives :
> > > 
> > > 1. Instruct users who are using minimal installations to manually install
> > > tar utility just like they configure repository, dns, etc..
> > > 
> > > Benefit: simplicity.
> > > Benefit: use standard tools.
> > > Benefit: lower payload to transmit.
> > > Drawback: require tar at destination machine.
> > > 
> > > 2. Do not use tar but self extracting python script, a patch is ready[1].
> > > 
> > > Benefit: ability to deploy environment in which tar is missing.
> > > Drawback: non standard tool at destination machine.
> > > Drawback: complexity within our code.

How about option 2.1: convince Fedora to reintroduce tar? It is ironic
that Gnome is shipped by default, but not such a staple utility.

Where in Fedora did this decision take place? Can it be undone?
Is it commonplace these days among other distros to boycot tar?

Dan.