[Kimchi-devel] Fwd: Proposal for moving functionality from Kimchi to Ginger

[Daniel Henrique Barboza]

On 08/04/2015 04:56 AM, Walter Niklaus wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> sorry for missing the thread where this topic was discussed.
>
> I can fully understand the point about Basic Information and System 
> Statistics being relevant for Virtualization management as well and I 
> like the idea of potentially making it part of the base framework 
> because they would be very usefull for other plugins, like 
> Container-Management as well.
> The interesting question is then if some of the other functions 
> wouldn't make sense to be part of the basic framework as well. Debug 
> reports would be a classical candidate from my point of view, but 
> wouldn't some of the other functions be usefull in the base as well ?

If we're really going in that approach (putting basic features in WoK), 
I agree. We would have to
discuss each existing feature and evaluate if it belongs to kimchi, 
ginger or wok.

>
> Looking at the problem form a different angle: wouldn't it make sense 
> to package and deliver the base framework with the Ginger plugin by 
> default because the Host-functionality Ginger is offering would be 
> usefull for the other plugins like Virtualization and Containers ?
>
> What I missed in my previous mail is the aspect about platform 
> specific functionality. This functionality, like PPC firmware update 
> or IO-device management for Linux on z should be made available as 
> individual plugins.

At this moment Ginger can handle multi-arch features fairly well. For 
example, Firmware
Update does not appear when running the plug-in in an Intel computer. 
The feature you mentioned,
IO-device management for Linux on Z, would be available only when 
running Ginger in a Linux
for Z host.

There's absolutely nothing holding you from making a brand new plug-in 
for the Z features instead
of adding them to Ginger, but it is important to know that Ginger is 
designed for these scenarios.
You can even create a new UI tab in Ginger, something like 'Z 
management' which would contain all Z related features. This tab would 
only appear in a Linux on Z host. From the UI perspective it looks
like a brand new plug-in working together with Ginger common features in 
the 'Administration' tab.

>
> Please let me know what you think about this option.
>
> Thanks,
> Walter.
>
>
> On 03.08.2015 18:51, Daniel Henrique Barboza wrote:
>> Hi Walter,
>>
>> We've had this discussion with the community a few months ago in the 
>> thread
>>
>> "[RFC] Moving some features of Host tab to Ginger"
>>
>> And we agreed to start it by moving only Software Update, 
>> Repositories and
>> Debug Reports from Kimchi to Ginger.
>>
>> The Basic Information and System Statistics can't be taken away from 
>> Kimchi because there
>> are relevant information for the creation of VMs there, such as 
>> Memory Available. But I agree
>> that these information fits nicely in Ginger too.
>>
>> One alternative (just came in my head now) is to move these "neutral" 
>> functions
>> to a "Basic System Info" in WoK. That way both Kimchi and Ginger 
>> users can access
>> the information.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 08/03/2015 12:15 PM, Walter Niklaus wrote:
>>>
>>> After separating out Kimchi as an indvidual plugin from the base
>>> framework it would be great to have a clean separation between Host- 
>>> and
>>> Virtualization Management functions. I'm planning to work on this topic
>>> in the next few weeks and have prepared a proposal of the 
>>> functionsplit.
>>> Plugin functionality:
>>>      -  Ginger:
>>>            - Basic Information
>>>            - System Statistics
>>>            - Network  (Host NICs)
>>>            - Storage/SAN (Host Storage)
>>>            - User Management
>>>            - Configuration Backup
>>>            - Software Updates
>>>            - Repositories
>>>            - Debug Reports
>>>            - PPC related functions:  Firmware Update & Power Management
>>>      - Kimchi:
>>>            -  Templates
>>>            -  Guests
>>>            -  Networks (virtual)
>>>            -  Storage (Pools for VMs)
>>>
>>> Since there are plans to restructure the UI for one of the next
>>> releases, I'm proposing to do only some minimal investments in
>>> reflecting this new finctionsplit. Therefore I'm proposing to make the
>>> Host tab as the one and only Tab for Ginger and move everything from 
>>> the
>>> Administration Tab into the Host Tab.  This would be just an
>>> intermediate solution till we implement the new UI design. Please see
>>> the attached PDF.
>>> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>>>
>>> Walter.
>>>
>>>
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