[Users] All VMs disappeared

Laszlo Hornyak lhornyak at redhat.com
Wed Aug 14 03:39:48 EDT 2013



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jakub Bittner" <j.bittner at nbu.cz>
> To: users at ovirt.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:09:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] All VMs disappeared
> 
> Dne 13.8.2013 18:29, Laszlo Hornyak napsal(a):
> > Ahoj Jakub,
> >
> > Just one more idea: could you turn statement logging on in postgresql
> > before you try again?
> > It is in /var/lib/pgsql/data/postgresql.conf
> > log_statement = 'all'
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jakub Bittner" <j.bittner at nbu.cz>
> >> To: "Itamar Heim" <iheim at redhat.com>
> >> Cc: users at ovirt.org
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:20:29 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Users] All VMs disappeared
> >>
> >> Dne 13.8.2013 17:02, Itamar Heim napsal(a):
> >>> On 08/13/2013 05:31 PM, Jakub Bittner wrote:
> >>>> Dne 13.8.2013 15:39, Itamar Heim napsal(a):
> >>>>> On 08/13/2013 08:50 AM, Jakub Bittner wrote:
> >>>>>> Dne 12.8.2013 22:44, Itamar Heim napsal(a):
> >>>>>>> On 08/12/2013 06:59 PM, Jakub Bittner wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Dne 12.8.2013 14:54, Jakub Bittner napsal(a):
> >>>>>>>>> Dne 12.8.2013 14:29, Laszlo Hornyak napsal(a):
> >>>>>>>>>> I looked around Noam's patch and that should not cause such
> >>>>>>>>>> behavior.
> >>>>>>>>>> I am wondering how that lost VM's could happen.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jakub, can you give a more detailed description what you were
> >>>>>>>>>> doing
> >>>>>>>>>> with oVirt when this happened? Maybe the bug is still there.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>>>> Laszlo
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhornyak at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Jakub Bittner" <j.bittner at nbu.cz>, "Noam Slomianko"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <nslomian at redhat.com>, users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:23:40 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Users] All VMs disappeared
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Not the one I fixed, 987907. It was a simple UI
> >>>>>>>>>>> NullPointerException.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Greg
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhornyak at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Jakub Bittner" <j.bittner at nbu.cz>, "Noam Slomianko"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <nslomian at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:21:26 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Users] All VMs disappeared
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well if they are no longer in DB then that explains why the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> exception no
> >>>>>>>>>>>> longer occurs, but at the cost of database corruption.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Noam and Greg, can these bugs cause data corruption?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Laszlo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jakub Bittner" <j.bittner at nbu.cz>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: users at ovirt.org, "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhornyak at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:05:09 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Users] All VMs disappeared
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dne 10.8.2013 01:54, Greg Sheremeta napsal(a):
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It could also be this bug[1], for which I just submitted a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=987907
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can work around it by typing just "VMs:" (without the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quotes) in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> search bar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhornyak at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Jakub Bittner" <j.bittner at nbu.cz>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 11:21:26 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Users] All VMs disappeared
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jakub,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you check through DB or REST-API if the VM's are in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DB?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select * from vm_static;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curl -u admin at internal:blablabla [engine-url]api/vms
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems Noam fixed this issue already in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c2295c31fa645e1ba1b94cd557bd1fecb40c8829.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laszlo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jakub Bittner" <j.bittner at nbu.cz>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 1:06:53 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Users] All VMs disappeared
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dne 9.8.2013 09:48, Jakub Bittner napsal(a):
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iam running ovirt 3.3.0.beta1 on centos 6,4 and all our VMs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappeared from VMs tab. Nodes running on centos too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Repeating
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem in log is:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013-08-09 09:44:24,203 WARN
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsManager]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-45) Failed to refresh VDS ,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vds =
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7cb6aedf-47bc-40b0-877f-2a537fca5c64 : node2.x.com, error =
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.NullPointerException, continuing.:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.NullPointerException
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.proceedGuaranteedMemoryCheck(VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.java:1313)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.refreshVmStats(VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.java:968)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.refreshVdsRunTimeInfo(VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.java:542)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.Refresh(VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.java:383)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsManager.OnTimer(VdsManager.java:237)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor171.invoke(Unknown
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source) [:1.7.0_25]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [rt.jar:1.7.0_25]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:606)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [rt.jar:1.7.0_25]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.utils.timer.JobWrapper.execute(JobWrapper.java:60)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [scheduler.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.quartz.core.JobRunShell.run(JobRunShell.java:213)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quartz.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.quartz.simpl.SimpleThreadPool$WorkerThread.run(SimpleThreadPool.java:557)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quartz.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013-08-09 09:44:27,039 WARN
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsManager]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-47) Failed to refresh VDS ,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vds =
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 653e34a6-6b7e-4757-9042-dc02e7a0cddf : node3.x.com, error =
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.NullPointerException, continuing.:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.NullPointerException
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.proceedGuaranteedMemoryCheck(VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.java:1313)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.refreshVmStats(VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.java:968)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.refreshVdsRunTimeInfo(VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.java:542)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.Refresh(VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo.java:383)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsManager.OnTimer(VdsManager.java:237)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [vdsbroker.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor171.invoke(Unknown
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source) [:1.7.0_25]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [rt.jar:1.7.0_25]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:606)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [rt.jar:1.7.0_25]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.utils.timer.JobWrapper.execute(JobWrapper.java:60)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [scheduler.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.quartz.core.JobRunShell.run(JobRunShell.java:213)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quartz.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.quartz.simpl.SimpleThreadPool$WorkerThread.run(SimpleThreadPool.java:557)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quartz.jar:]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I restarted management node and both nodes and this problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappeared.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I still can not see any VMs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not have them in database. Both commands shows nothing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> we run ovirt 3.2.1 (or 2). I upgraded to RC1, everything was great
> >>>>>>>>> (except SPICE. VNC and creating new WM due to serialization bug.).
> >>>>>>>>> Because those bugs were irritating, we switched to nightly. Still
> >>>>>>>>> works fine (but bug with VMs is not fixed there), than I installed
> >>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>> ovirt engine management server in KVM virtualization (using
> >>>>>>>>> libvirtd)
> >>>>>>>>> due to taking snapshots before deploying nightly builds. New
> >>>>>>>>> virtualized engine works great and I delete old one. Next day I
> >>>>>>>>> came
> >>>>>>>>> to work and engine web page was very very slow, every operation
> >>>>>>>>> takes
> >>>>>>>>> ages, that time I found there were no VMs, no HDDs and so. I
> >>>>>>>>> converted
> >>>>>>>>> its qcow2 image to raw, because I think it has slow DB because of
> >>>>>>>>> running i qcow2. Did not helped, than I take a look in nodes
> >>>>>>>>> logs and
> >>>>>>>>> found this problem, which I posted in first email (VMs still
> >>>>>>>>> running,
> >>>>>>>>> but not visible in engine VMs tab, but on host I can see number of
> >>>>>>>>> running VMs). After restart bug disappeared, but VMs too.
> >>>>>>>>> Today I reinstalled engine with oVirt 3.3.0rc1. But all my VMs are
> >>>>>>>>> gone. Even from storage. (but disappearing from storage may be my
> >>>>>>>>> fault during recovery).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I can provide logs from both two nodes and (hopefully) from engine
> >>>>>>>>> too. I can provide you with those logs, but not publicly. Sorry.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>>> Jakub Bittner, NSA Czech
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
> >>>>>>>>> Users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well I reinstalled to 3.3.0 RC1, rebooted server and my VMs are gone
> >>>>>>>> again.
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> Users mailing list
> >>>>>>>> Users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >>>>>>> can you verify the db from before the upgrade has the VMs?
> >>>>>> I dont know what you mean by verify database. Please, could you
> >>>>>> point me
> >>>>>> how to do it? Thank you
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Users mailing list
> >>>>>> Users at ovirt.org
> >>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >>>>> I assume from your expectation to see the VMs from the previous
> >>>>> install that you upgraded your system rather than do a clean install?
> >>>>> in an upgrade, there should be a backup of the db from before the
> >>>>> upgrade.
> >>>>> (in a clean install, engine is not aware of VMs running on hosts from
> >>>>> previous installs - we need to cover "import existing storage domain"
> >>>>> in a future version to close this gap. current alternatives around
> >>>>> this are to convert the storage domain to an export domain (for an nfs
> >>>>> data domain) an re-import them to the system or a few other options.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> how many VMs are there?
> >>>> They(VMs) are deleted. So, my situation is this:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have clean install of ovirt 3.3.0beta with imported VMs from export
> >>>> domain. Everything works except snapshots. But when I restart ovirt mgmt
> >>>> server, VMs will disappear. Right now I am doing hourly backup of DB.
> >>> this is very fishy...
> >>> can you arrange for a remote access session for someone to take a look?
> >>>
> >>>> I can not use workaround with converting domain to export domain,
> >>>> because we use iscsi. It would be perfect if I can retake existing
> >>>> domain. Another gap is if I dont detach export domain I can not attach
> >>>> it to new datacenter and I have to manually edit some files. It would be
> >>>> absolutely perfect to do it from ovirt web gui (for example by "force
> >>>> override button")
> >>> i thought 3.3 allowed for that, but i could be wrong.
> >>
> >> Well, I will backup all VMs to export domain, than create snapshot of
> >> ovirt and I will try to restart that server if its going to delete VMs
> >> from DB. Than I will report back. I think, that remote session will not
> >> be possible, but I can be wrong (I hope).
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Users mailing list
> >> Users at ovirt.org
> >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >>
> 
> I change it. But I can not restart postgres.

You can restart it only when the engine is down, it will not restart with database connections open.

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