[Users] Understanding Console Options

Michal Skrivanek michal.skrivanek at redhat.com
Fri Oct 4 15:42:50 EDT 2013 

On 4 Oct 2013, at 20:31, H. Haven Liu wrote:

> I don't mean to appear argumentative, but these suggestions sounds like non-answers:
> 
> 1. my "favorite" VNC viewer is the "Screen Sharing" app in Mac (which is the default VNC viewer that comes with every OS X installation). It does not take input files (AFAIK). The previous solution was good in that it just presents the password, which I can copy/paste into "Screen Sharing;

Have you tried SPICE with http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client ?
Have you tried noVNC support new in 3.3?


> 2. the problem with "downloading" a file is that I have to open it (with yet another application), and delete the file afterwards.

indeed, that's not very convenient :-/

> 
> Again, I'm not even saying the .vv file does not have benefits or that the option should not be there, as I'm sure those that use virt-viewer can enjoy it. But not everyone uses virt-viewer, and not all popular VNC viewer supports file inputs.

well, the file contains all the info needed for connection so with a simple wrapper every single VNC client which accepts a host/pwd on cmdline will work just fine.
regarding your favorite app, there seems to be way how to open it without asking for anything, see http://superuser.com/questions/217425/is-there-a-way-to-launch-screensharing-from-the-terminal
so how about writing a simple bash wrapper to parse out the host&password and launch "open vnc://user@pass:server:port" ?
If you succeed it would be great if you can share your wrapper script

> 
> You can't possibly be telling me that using a VNC client such as mine is benefited by the "download .vv file method" as compared to the previous method. Anyway you slice it, it sounds just like "well, too bad. deal with it"

I hope one of the three solutions above would work for you…

Thanks,
michal

> 
> On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 4 Oct 2013, at 17:12, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10/04/2013 06:09 PM, Haoyang Haven Liu wrote:
>>>> I can appreciate the .vv file for certain platforms in which virt-viewer provides additional benefits, but my point was I (and I suspect at least some other) use existing VNC clients in Mac/Windows/Linux, and perhaps don't want to use virt-viewer. In those cases, that the  "download .vv file method" is more needlessly cumbersome as compared to the "popup with host/port/password" method, whether it involves writing a wrapper, or just open the downloaded text file.
>>>> 
>>>> As I said, perhaps instead of the two console options scheme currently, it should be a three console option scheme with "VNC", "virt-viewer", "SPICE", because the "download .vv file method" is not at all (generic) VNC clients friendly.
>>> 
>>> it is missing a script for you to associate with your browser, which will get the .vv file and launch your favorite vnc client with the info from the .vv file?
>> 
>> or, if you prefer, associate it with your favorite text editor so you can copy&paste the same info as before.
>> It's a browser's association you have to set/change
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> michal
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Itamar Heim <iheim at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/03/2013 02:29 AM, Christian Hernandez wrote:
>>>>>>>> Since virt-viewer appears to be a linux-only tool, and VNC clients
>>>>>> from Windows or OS X do not recognize the file formats, opening a
>>>>>> console to a VM just became more cumbersome for not apparent >> benefit.
>>>>>> There should at least be an option for those that don't use virt-viewer
>>>>>> to still get the popup.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Agreed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe this is just a ploy to get everyone to use Spice?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ...if that's the case; when are we going to get Spice plugin for Mac OSX?
>>>>> 
>>>>> to answer both.
>>>>> 1. its not a ploy, its actually to solve the problem for platforms without plugins for spice or vnc (no platform has a plugin for vnc).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. virt-viewer supports both windows and linux
>>>>> http://www.spice-space.org/download.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> i remember there is a client for mac as well actually, i suggest asking on:
>>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/spice-devel
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. you can write a small wrapper script and associate it with the .vv file (hopefully, someone will do this and attach an example for others).
>>>>> this will work for both vnc of your choice and spice on any platform
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> Itamar
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Christian Hernandez
>>>>>> 1225 Los Angeles Street
>>>>>> Glendale, CA 91204
>>>>>> Phone: 877-782-2737 ext. 4566
>>>>>> Fax: 818-265-3152
>>>>>> christianh at 4over.com <mailto:christianh at 4over.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:christianh at 4over.com <mailto:christianh at 4over.com>>
>>>>>> www.4over.com <http://www.4over.com/> <http://www.4over.com
>>>>>> <http://www.4over.com/>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Haoyang Haven Liu <haven.liu at ucla.edu
>>>>>> <mailto:haven.liu at ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  The replacement of VNC popup with a .vv file download seems like a
>>>>>>  (or several) step backward. Since virt-viewer appears to be a
>>>>>>  linux-only tool, and VNC clients from Windows or OS X do not
>>>>>>  recognize the file formats, opening a console to a VM just became
>>>>>>  more cumbersome for not apparent benefit. There should at least be
>>>>>>  an option for those that don't use virt-viewer to still get the popup.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Haven
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  On Sep 30, 2013, at 2:08 AM, Frantisek Kobzik <fkobzik at redhat.com
>>>>>>  <mailto:fkobzik at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Nick,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> concerning the 3rd screenshot - that was a bug in oVirt, but the
>>>>>>  fix has been already merged.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> About the VNC popup - indeed, it has been removed. The only way
>>>>>>  to get the VNC connection information is using 'Native' mode in
>>>>>>  Console options dialog and then open incoming .vv file (e.g. using
>>>>>>  text editor, script...). I suppose the virt-viewer association with
>>>>>>  .vv file must be turned off (otherwise virt-viewer will pop up
>>>>>>  instantly).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Frank.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Nicholas Kesick" <cybertimber2000 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>  <mailto:cybertimber2000 at hotmail.com>>
>>>>>>> To: "oVirt Mailing List" <users at ovirt.org <mailto:users at ovirt.org>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:09:14 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Users] Understanding Console Options
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm trying to understand the various console options for a wiki
>>>>>>  page. Can someone make sure what I have in the attachments are right?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also when a VM is set to Spice and I open Console Options (at
>>>>>>  least in IE 10 for me, need to test further), it opens to Remote
>>>>>>  Desktop. Are these active yet? I don't see RDP as an option under
>>>>>>  Edit > Console.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Finally, is there any way to get the VNC option that we had in
>>>>>>  oVirt 3.2 that would pop up with a port number and password to use
>>>>>>  with a local client?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Nick
>>>>>>> 
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