[ovirt-users] [Gluster-devel] Can we debug some truths/myths/facts about hosted-engine and gluster?

[Jiri Moskovcak]

On 07/19/2014 08:58 AM, Pranith Kumar Karampuri wrote:
>
> On 07/19/2014 11:25 AM, Andrew Lau wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Pranith Kumar Karampuri
>> <pkarampu at redhat.com <mailto:pkarampu at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     On 07/18/2014 05:43 PM, Andrew Lau wrote:
>>>     ​ ​
>>>
>>>     On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Vijay Bellur
>>>     <vbellur at redhat.com <mailto:vbellur at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         [Adding gluster-devel]
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 07/18/2014 05:20 PM, Andrew Lau wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hi all,
>>>
>>>             As most of you have got hints from previous messages,
>>>             hosted engine
>>>             won't work on gluster . A quote from BZ1097639
>>>
>>>             "Using hosted engine with Gluster backed storage is
>>>             currently something
>>>             we really warn against.
>>>
>>>
>>>             I think this bug should be closed or re-targeted at
>>>             documentation, because there is nothing we can do here.
>>>             Hosted engine assumes that all writes are atomic and
>>>             (immediately) available for all hosts in the cluster.
>>>             Gluster violates those assumptions.
>>>             ​"
>>>
>>>         I tried going through BZ1097639 but could not find much
>>>         detail with respect to gluster there.
>>>
>>>         A few questions around the problem:
>>>
>>>         1. Can somebody please explain in detail the scenario that
>>>         causes the problem?
>>>
>>>         2. Is hosted engine performing synchronous writes to ensure
>>>         that writes are durable?
>>>
>>>         Also, if there is any documentation that details the hosted
>>>         engine architecture that would help in enhancing our
>>>         understanding of its interactions with gluster.
>>>
>>>
>>>             ​
>>>
>>>             Now my question, does this theory prevent a scenario of
>>>             perhaps
>>>             something like a gluster replicated volume being mounted
>>>             as a glusterfs
>>>             filesystem and then re-exported as the native kernel NFS
>>>             share for the
>>>             hosted-engine to consume? It could then be possible to
>>>             chuck ctdb in
>>>             there to provide a last resort failover solution. I have
>>>             tried myself
>>>             and suggested it to two people who are running a similar
>>>             setup. Now
>>>             using the native kernel NFS server for hosted-engine and
>>>             they haven't
>>>             reported as many issues. Curious, could anyone validate
>>>             my theory on this?
>>>
>>>
>>>         If we obtain more details on the use case and obtain gluster
>>>         logs from the failed scenarios, we should be able to
>>>         understand the problem better. That could be the first step
>>>         in validating your theory or evolving further recommendations :).
>>>
>>>
>>>     ​ I'm not sure how useful this is, but ​Jiri Moskovcak tracked
>>>     this down in an off list message.
>>>
>>>     ​ Message Quote:​
>>>
>>>     ​ ==​
>>>
>>>     ​We were able to track it down to this (thanks Andrew for
>>>     providing the testing setup):
>>>
>>>     -b686-4363-bb7e-dba99e5789b6/ha_agent service_type=hosted-engine'
>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>     File
>>>     "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ovirt_hosted_engine_ha/broker/listener.py",
>>>     line 165, in handle
>>>       response = "success " + self._dispatch(data)
>>>     File
>>>     "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ovirt_hosted_engine_ha/broker/listener.py",
>>>     line 261, in _dispatch
>>>       .get_all_stats_for_service_type(**options)
>>>     File
>>>     "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ovirt_hosted_engine_ha/broker/storage_broker.py",
>>>     line 41, in get_all_stats_for_service_type
>>>       d = self.get_raw_stats_for_service_type(storage_dir, service_type)
>>>     File
>>>     "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ovirt_hosted_engine_ha/broker/storage_broker.py",
>>>     line 74, in get_raw_stats_for_service_type
>>>       f = os.open(path, direct_flag | os.O_RDONLY)
>>>     OSError: [Errno 116] Stale file handle:
>>>     '/rhev/data-center/mnt/localhost:_mnt_hosted-engine/c898fd2a-b686-4363-bb7e-dba99e5789b6/ha_agent/hosted-engine.metadata'
>>     Andrew/Jiri,
>>             Would it be possible to post gluster logs of both the
>>     mount and bricks on the bz? I can take a look at it once. If I
>>     gather nothing then probably I will ask for your help in
>>     re-creating the issue.
>>
>>     Pranith
>>
>>
>> ​Unfortunately, I don't have the logs for that setup any more.. ​I'll
>> try replicate when I get a chance. If I understand the comment from
>> the BZ, I don't think it's a gluster bug per-say, more just how
>> gluster does its replication.
> hi Andrew,
>           Thanks for that. I couldn't come to any conclusions because no
> logs were available. It is unlikely that self-heal is involved because
> there were no bricks going down/up according to the bug description.
>

Hi,
I've never had such setup, I guessed problem with gluster based on 
"OSError: [Errno 116] Stale file handle:" which happens when the file 
opened by application on client gets removed on the server. I'm pretty 
sure we (hosted-engine) don't remove that file, so I think it's some 
gluster magic moving the data around...

--Jirka

> Pranith
>>
>>
>>>
>>>     It's definitely connected to the storage which leads us to the
>>>     gluster, I'm not very familiar with the gluster so I need to
>>>     check this with our gluster gurus.​
>>>
>>>     ​== ​
>>>
>>>         Thanks,
>>>         Vijay
>>>
>>>
>>>
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