[ovirt-users] Delete Failed to update OVF disks, OVF data isn't updated on those OVF stores (Data Center Default, Storage Domain hostedengine_nfs).

Paul Groeneweg | Pazion paul at pazion.nl
Wed Apr 20 07:18:04 UTC 2016


I have added a ticket: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1328718

Looking forward to solve!  ( trying to providing as much info as required ).

For the short term, wwhat do I need to restore/rollback to get the
OVF_STORE back in the Web GUI? is this all db?



Op wo 20 apr. 2016 om 09:04 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <paul at pazion.nl
>:

> Yes I removed them also from the web interface.
> Cen I recreate these or how can I restore?
>
> Op wo 20 apr. 2016 om 09:01 schreef Roy Golan <rgolan at redhat.com>:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <paul at pazion.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Roy,
>>>
>>> What do you mean with a RFE , submit a bug ticket?
>>>
>>> Yes please. https://*bugzilla*.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=
>>
>> *oVirt*
>>
>>
>>> Here is what I did:
>>>
>>> I removed the OVF disks as explained from the hosted engine/storage.
>>> I started another server, tried several things like putting to
>>> maintenance and reinstalling, but I keep getting:
>>>
>>> Apr 20 00:18:00 geisha-3 ovirt-ha-agent:
>>> WARNING:ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.lib.ovf.ovf_store.OVFStore:Unable to find
>>> OVF_STORE
>>> Apr 20 00:18:00 geisha-3 journal: ovirt-ha-agent
>>> ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.agent.hosted_engine.HostedEngine.config ERROR Unable
>>> to get vm.conf from OVF_STORE, falling back to initial vm.conf
>>> Apr 20 00:18:00 geisha-3 ovirt-ha-agent:
>>> ERROR:ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.agent.hosted_engine.HostedEngine.config:Unable
>>> to get vm.conf from OVF_STORE, falling back to initial vm.conf
>>> Apr 20 00:18:00 geisha-3 journal: ovirt-ha-agent
>>> ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.agent.agent.Agent ERROR Error: ''Configuration value
>>> not found: file=/var/run/ovirt-hosted-engine-ha/vm.conf, key=memSize'' -
>>> trying to restart agent
>>>
>>> Fact it can't find the OVF store seems logical, but now the
>>> /var/run/ovirt-hosted-engine-ha/vm.conf is replace with a file conatining
>>> only "None".
>>> I tried to set file readonly ( chown root ), but this only threw an
>>> error about file not writable, tried different path, but nothing helped.
>>> So I am afraid to touch the other running hosts, as same might happen
>>> there and I am unable to start hosted engine again.
>>>
>>> I thought OVF would be created automatically again if it is missing, but
>>> it isn't...
>>> Can I trigger this OVF, or add it somehow manually? Would deleting the
>>> whole hosted_storage trigger an auto import again including OVF?
>>>
>>> If this provides no solution, I guess, I have to restore the removed OVF
>>> store. Would a complete database restore + restoring folder
>>> images/<OVF_STORE_ID> be sufficient?
>>> Or where is the information about the OVF stores the Web GUI shows
>>> stored?
>>>
>>>
>> Did you remove it also from the engine via the webadmin or REST? storage
>> tab -> click the hosted_storage domain -> disks subtab -> right click
>> remove the failing ovf
>>
>>
>>> Looking forward to resolve this OVF store issue.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op di 19 apr. 2016 om 10:31 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <
>>> paul at pazion.nl>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Roy,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this explanation. I will dive into this evening. ( and make
>>>> a backup first :-) )
>>>>
>>>> Normally the hosted engine only creates 1 ovf disk for the hosted
>>>> storage?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>>
>>>> Op di 19 apr. 2016 om 10:22 schreef Roy Golan <rgolan at redhat.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <
>>>>> paul at pazion.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still wondering about the OVF disk ( and event error ) on my
>>>>>> hosted storage domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My hostedstorage ovf disks ( http://screencast.com/t/AcdqmJWee )
>>>>>>  are not being updated ( what I understood is they should be regularly
>>>>>> updated ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I wonder, maybe I can remove these OVF disks and they are
>>>>>> recreated automatically? ( Similar when removing the hosted storage domain
>>>>>> it was added automatically again )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for this NFS storage domain, is it normal to have 2 OVF disks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really looking for a way get these OVF disks right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> What you can do to remove them is to run this sql statement at your
>>>>> setup
>>>>>
>>>>> ```sql
>>>>> -- first make sure this is the disk, dates are taken from your
>>>>> screenshot
>>>>>
>>>>> SELECT ovf_disk_id, image_guid, imagestatus, _create_date FROM images,
>>>>> storage_domains_ovf_info where ovf_disk_id = images.image_group_id and
>>>>> _create_date > '2016-05-01 11:11:29' and _create_date < '2016-05-01
>>>>> 11:11:31';
>>>>>
>>>>> -- now delete this disk
>>>>>
>>>>> DELETE FROM  storage_domains_ovf_info where ovf_disk_id = %what was
>>>>> found in the last query%'
>>>>> ```
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you can right-click and remove this disk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the disk of the ovirt-engine resides on the hosted_storage
>>>>> domain we can't put this domain into maintenance and fix those kind of
>>>>> issues. There for I would like you to kindly open an RFE and mention you're
>>>>> scenario so we would supply a way to do this kind of operations in a safe
>>>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maor thanks for the help and reference.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Op ma 4 apr. 2016 om 09:54 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <
>>>>>> paul at pazion.nl>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to add:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - There are 2 OVF stores in my hosted_storage ( hostedengine_nfs ).
>>>>>>> - I checked creation time, they are both created around the same
>>>>>>> time http://screencast.com/t/hbXQFlou
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So hopefully there is some way to update hosted storage sp it can be
>>>>>>> updated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Op do 31 mrt. 2016 om 15:41 schreef Maor Lipchuk <
>>>>>>> mlipchuk at redhat.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Adding Roy to the thread]
>>>>>>>> Roy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you please share your insight regarding the hosted engine
>>>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>>> It looks that one of the OVF_STORE disks is not valid and I think
>>>>>>>> that detach/attach of the storage domain might fix the audit log errors.
>>>>>>>> The question is, if it is possible to do so in hosted engine
>>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Maor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <
>>>>>>>> paul at pazion.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This storage domain is my hosted engine storage domain. So I
>>>>>>>>> should put it to maintenance and then detach?
>>>>>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/kjgNpI7fQ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I still able to use the hosed engine ( web interface) when this
>>>>>>>>> stoarge domain is in maintenance and detached?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I don't want to risk detaching hosted storage storage domain
>>>>>>>>> and as a results breaking my whole setup.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Op do 31 mrt. 2016 om 15:07 schreef Maor Lipchuk <
>>>>>>>>> mlipchuk at redhat.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you already tried to detach and attach the Storage Domain?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <
>>>>>>>>>> paul at pazion.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maor,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am refering to the eventlog, where these ovf errors appear
>>>>>>>>>>> every hour and fill up my eventlog
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/S8cfXMsdGM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Op do 31 mrt. 2016 om 14:07 schreef Maor Lipchuk <
>>>>>>>>>>> mlipchuk at redhat.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which problem are you referring, the remove of OVF_STORE disks
>>>>>>>>>>>> or the audit log warning?
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the screencast I can see that the Storage Domain is active
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I didn't notice any audit log errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <
>>>>>>>>>>>> paul at pazion.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 3.6.4 did not solve the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea how to fix this issue?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it has something todo with the status of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hosted_storage ( 1st entry )
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/vCx0CQiXm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op za 26 mrt. 2016 om 18:08 schreef Maor Lipchuk <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mlipchuk at redhat.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please update whether the upgrade for 3.6.4 has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the OVF_STORE disks, those disks should not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deleted since deleting them might reflect on the Disaster Recovery scenarios
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul at pazion.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe my problem is related to this bug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303316
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see in the screenshot the hostedengine storage is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unassigned and so both ovf_stores are OK, but not linked and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  can't be updated?!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So for now I guess I'll wait for update 3.6.4 and cross my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fingers and updates solves the event log error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op do 24 mrt. 2016 om 20:15 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paul at pazion.nl>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked, the OVf, but I can only remove the OVF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/vCx0CQiXm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens when I remove them, is it safe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked agent.log and do not see the errors there....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:28,154::image::116::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.lib.image.Image::(prepare_images)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preparing images
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:28,811::hosted_engine::684::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.agent.hosted_engine.HostedEngine::(_initialize_storage_images)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reloading vm.conf from the shared storage domain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:28,811::config::205::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.agent.hosted_engine.HostedEngine.config::(refresh_local_conf_file)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trying to get a fresher copy of vm configuration from the OVF_STORE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:28,936::ovf_store::100::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.lib.ovf.ovf_store.OVFStore::(scan)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Found OVF_STORE: imgUUID:18c50ea6-4654-4525-b241-09e15acf5e99,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volUUID:2f2ccb59-a3f3-43bf-87eb-53595af01cf5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:29,147::ovf_store::100::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.lib.ovf.ovf_store.OVFStore::(scan)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Found OVF_STORE: imgUUID:6e14348b-af7a-49bc-9af2-8b703c17a53d,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volUUID:fabdd6f4-b8d6-4ffe-889c-df86b34619ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:29,420::ovf_store::109::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.lib.ovf.ovf_store.OVFStore::(getEngineVMOVF)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Extracting Engine VM OVF from the OVF_STORE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:29,580::ovf_store::116::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.lib.ovf.ovf_store.OVFStore::(getEngineVMOVF)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OVF_STORE volume path: /rhev/data-center/mnt/hostedstorage.pazion.nl:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _opt_hosted-engine/88b69eba-ef4f-4dbe-ba53-20dadd424d0e/images/6e14348b-af7a-49bc-9af2-8b703c17a53d/fabdd6f4-b8d6-4ffe-889c-df86b34619ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:29,861::config::225::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.agent.hosted_engine.HostedEngine.config::(refresh_local_conf_file)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Found an OVF for HE VM, trying to convert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:29,865::config::230::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.agent.hosted_engine.HostedEngine.config::(refresh_local_conf_file)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got vm.conf from OVF_STORE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MainThread::INFO::2016-03-24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20:12:29,997::hosted_engine::462::ovirt_hosted_engine_ha.agent.hosted_engine.HostedEngine::(start_monitoring)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current state EngineUp (score: 3400)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So leaves me wondering if I should worry about the errors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the event log.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op do 24 mrt. 2016 om 16:18 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <paul at pazion.nl>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These OVF stores are created on my hosted-engine storage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance. I did not found any reference in the hosted-engine.conf, so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are sure they can't be deleted?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it holds only info about the hosted-engine disk? So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when detaching, do I have any risk destroying my hosted-engine?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can just detach them in this screen:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/ymnzsNHj7e and then re-attach?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I check file permissions, but this looked good compared to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other images. So really strange this eventlog.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op do 24 mrt. 2016 om 10:01 schreef Maor Lipchuk <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mlipchuk at redhat.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Groeneweg
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:12 AM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <paul at pazion.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After the 3.6 updates ( which didn't went without a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hitch )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the following errors in my event log:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Failed to update OVF disks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18c50ea6-4654-4525-b241-09e15acf5e99, OVF data isn't updated on those OVF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stores (Data Center Default, Storage Domain hostedengine_nfs).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VDSM command failed: Could not acquire resource.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably resource factory threw an exception.: ()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/S8cfXMsdGM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I check on file there is some data, but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated: http://screencast.com/t/hbXQFlou
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I check in the web interface I see 2 OVF files
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed. What are these for, can I delete them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/ymnzsNHj7e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully someone knows what to do about these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warnings/erros and whether I can delete the OVF files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Groeneweg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users at ovirt.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The OVF_STORE disks are disks which preserve all the VMs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Templates OVF data and are mostly use for disaster recovery scenarios.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those disks can not be deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the audit log which you got, can you try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detach and attach the Storage once again and let me know if you still get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this even log.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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