[ovirt-users] Ovirt node host installation failing in engine

Yedidyah Bar David didi at redhat.com
Thu Dec 1 14:27:07 UTC 2016 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Shalabh Goel <shalabhgoel13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks it worked. The host was installed and added to the cluster
> successfully.

Glad it worked. Thanks for the report!

Best,

>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Yedidyah Bar David <didi at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> (Replying to the list and Fabian as well)
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Shalabh Goel <shalabhgoel13 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks for the reply. I looked into the logs in ovirt-engine server. The
>> > log
>> > is as follows:
>> >
>> > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 344, in
>> > populateSack
>> >     self.doSetup()
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 158, in
>> > doSetup
>> >     self.ayum.plugins.run('postreposetup')
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/plugins.py", line 188, in
>> > run
>> >     func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs))
>> >   File "/usr/lib/yum-plugins/fastestmirror.py", line 197, in
>> > postreposetup_hook
>> >     if downgrade_ftp and _len_non_ftp(repo.urls) == 1:
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/yumRepo.py", line 871, in
>> > <lambda>
>> >     urls = property(fget=lambda self: self._geturls(),
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/yumRepo.py", line 868, in
>> > _geturls
>> >     self._baseurlSetup()
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/yumRepo.py", line 834, in
>> > _baseurlSetup
>> >     self.check()
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/yumRepo.py", line 554, in
>> > check
>> >     'Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: %s' % self.ui_id
>> > RepoError: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: ovirt-4.0/7
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 ERROR otopi.context context._executeMethod:151
>> > Failed to
>> > execute stage 'Environment packages setup': Cannot find a valid baseurl
>> > for
>> > repo
>> > : ovirt-4.0/7
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.transaction transaction.abort:119
>> > aborting
>> > 'Yum Transaction'
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 INFO otopi.plugins.otopi.packagers.yumpackager
>> > yumpackager.info:80 Yum Performing yum transaction rollback
>> > Could not retrieve mirrorlist
>> > http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/yum-repo/mirrorlist-ovirt-4.0-el7 error
>> > was
>> > 14: curl#7 - "Failed to connect to 66.187.230.28: Network is
>> > unreachable"
>> > Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:760
>> > ENVIRONMENT DUMP - BEGIN
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:770 ENV
>> > BASE/error=bool:'True'
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:770 ENV
>> > BASE/exceptionInfo=list:'[(<class 'yum.Errors.RepoError'>, RepoError(),
>> > <traceback ob
>> > ject at 0x2e88c20>)]'
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:774
>> > ENVIRONMENT DUMP - END
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 INFO otopi.context context.runSequence:687 Stage:
>> > Pre-termination
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.runSequence:691 STAGE
>> > pre-terminate
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context._executeMethod:128 Stage
>> > pre-terminate METHOD otopi.plugins.otopi.core.misc.Plugin._preTerminate
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:760
>> > ENVIRONMENT DUMP - BEGIN
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:770 ENV
>> > BASE/aborted=bool:'False'
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:770 ENV
>> > BASE/debug=int:'0'
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:770 ENV
>> > BASE/error=bool:'True'
>> > 2016-11-24 11:24:24 DEBUG otopi.context context.dumpEnvironment:770 ENV
>> > BASE/exceptionInfo=list:'[(<class 'yum.Errors.RepoError'>, RepoError(),
>> > <traceback ob
>> > :
>> >
>> > So my question is that if yum is the reason for the host install
>> > failing? Do
>> > I absolutely need Internet connectivity for the node also? What if the
>> > python file can be edited to prevent it? I have installed the node using
>> > the
>> > node ISO available on the ovirt website
>>
>> Not sure about node specifically.
>>
>> You can try preventing host-deploy from trying to update packages using:
>>
>> https://gerrit.ovirt.org/gitweb?p=ovirt-host-deploy.git;a=blob;f=README
>>
>> Search there for 'OFFLINE'.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> >
>> > Thank You
>> >
>> > Shalabh Goel
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Yedidyah Bar David <didi at redhat.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Shalabh Goel <shalabhgoel13 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi
>> >> >
>> >> > I just want to know if there is any way I can disable the yum looking
>> >> > for
>> >> > updates on the internet on the node?
>> >>
>> >> Not sure, adding Fabian.
>> >>
>> >> I think this should work if you add a proxy= line to yum.conf.
>> >> Not sure how to persist this in node.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Please help me out here.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Shalabh Goel
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:59 PM, <users-request at ovirt.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
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>> >> >> Today's Topics:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>    1. Re:  I wrote an oVirt thing (Yaniv Kaul)
>> >> >>    2.  Ovirt node host installation failing in engine (Shalabh Goel)
>> >> >>    3. Re:  How to migrate Self Hosted Engine (Gianluca Cecchi)
>> >> >>    4. Re:  Need help with dashboard (????? ???????)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Message: 1
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:06:22 +0200
>> >> >> From: Yaniv Kaul <ykaul at redhat.com>
>> >> >> To: Konstantin Shalygin <k0ste at k0ste.ru>
>> >> >> Cc: Ovirt Users <users at ovirt.org>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] I wrote an oVirt thing
>> >> >> Message-ID:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <CAJgorsY_SksEnP2jQxBgdJyKW=4_qZZGZ=DwHQ13MteEN5jG5w at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Konstantin Shalygin
>> >> >> <k0ste at k0ste.ru>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > ovirt-shell will be deprecated and not supported or some functions
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > ovirt-shell (or all package ovirt-engine-cli)?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We use ovirt-shell on client desktops who connected to SPICE
>> >> >> > consoles
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > work (users provided by LDAP on ovirt-engine), like via RDP. For
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > wrote very fast-hack patch for ovirt-shell and GUI for enter
>> >> >> > password
>> >> >> > (
>> >> >> > https://github.com/k0ste/ovirt-pygtk). Very simple, but via
>> >> >> > Internet
>> >> >> > people use SPICE without negative about packet loss and
>> >> >> > disconnects,
>> >> >> > instead RDP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can you further explain the use case? I assume the user portal is
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> good
>> >> >> enough for some reason?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > BTW, the ovirt-shell is something we deprecated. It is working on
>> >> >> > top
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> the v3 api, which we plan to remove in 4.2.
>> >> >> >> So better not use it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You can start maintain. For example I maintain packes for Arch
>> >> >> > Linux:
>> >> >> > ovirt-engine-cli
>> >> >> > (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ovirt-engine-cli)
>> >> >> > and ovirt-engine-sdk-python (https://aur.archlinux.org/pac
>> >> >> > kages/ovirt-engine-sdk-python).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It somehow looks like a fork of the CLI (due to the added patch[1]).
>> >> >> I'm not sure how happy I am about it, considering the patch is
>> >> >> adding a
>> >> >> feature with security issues (there is a reason we do not support
>> >> >> password
>> >> >> passed via the command line - it's somewhat less secure).
>> >> >> Since you are already checking for the CLI rc file[2], just add the
>> >> >> password to it and launch with it (in a temp file in the temp
>> >> >> directory
>> >> >> with the right permissions, etc...)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BTW, note that the attempt to delete the password from memory[3] may
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> may
>> >> >> not work. After all, it's a copy of what you got from
>> >> >> entry.get_text()
>> >> >> few
>> >> >> lines before.
>> >> >> And Python GC is not really to be relied upon to delete things ASAP
>> >> >> anyway.
>> >> >> There are some lovely discussions on the Internet about it. For
>> >> >> example[4].
>> >> >> Y.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [1]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://github.com/k0ste/ovirt-pygtk/blob/master/add_password_option.patch
>> >> >> [2]
>> >> >> https://github.com/k0ste/ovirt-pygtk/blob/master/ovirt-pygtk.py#L81
>> >> >> [3]
>> >> >> https://github.com/k0ste/ovirt-pygtk/blob/master/ovirt-pygtk.py#L71
>> >> >> [4]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/728164/securely-erasing-password-in-memory-python
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >   My workstation at work is running Ubuntu, and I do not believe
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> >> ovirt-shell is packaged for it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Best regards,
>> >> >> > Konstantin Shalygin
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >> > Users mailing list
>> >> >> > Users at ovirt.org
>> >> >> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >> ------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Message: 2
>> >> >> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:00:31 +0530
>> >> >> From: Shalabh Goel <shalabhgoel13 at gmail.com>
>> >> >> To: users at ovirt.org
>> >> >> Subject: [ovirt-users] Ovirt node host installation failing in
>> >> >> engine
>> >> >> Message-ID:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <CAEnn9my9QcGYqLsqAV+W9PiOajwQqTpvQdLiYtLOf3sc5TiB_Q at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have installed ovirt engine (version 4) on Centos 7.2 in one
>> >> >> server
>> >> >> system and 1 ovirt node (version 4) using ovirt node iso in another
>> >> >> system.
>> >> >> But when am adding the node in the engine from web portal, the
>> >> >> installation
>> >> >> is failing on the node. There is no Internet connectivity to the
>> >> >> node.
>> >> >> When
>> >> >> I checked the logs, I found that it is trying to connect to a repo
>> >> >> using
>> >> >> yum. My questions are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. Is internet connectivity required on the node?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2. If I cannot provide internet connectivity to the node. Please
>> >> >> suggest a
>> >> >> work around.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thank You
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Shalabh Goel
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>> >> >> ------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Message: 3
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:27:06 +0100
>> >> >> From: Gianluca Cecchi <gianluca.cecchi at gmail.com>
>> >> >> To: Yedidyah Bar David <didi at redhat.com>
>> >> >> Cc: users <users at ovirt.org>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] How to migrate Self Hosted Engine
>> >> >> Message-ID:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <CAG2kNCz=2Gz1CJtLLT2mtT3E+wzH0=vtugmOBS_Fd7e1cXicBQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Yedidyah Bar David
>> >> >> <didi at redhat.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Gianluca Cecchi
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Two notes:
>> >> >> > > 1) it would be nice to pre-filter the drop down box when you
>> >> >> > > have
>> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> > choose
>> >> >> > > the host where migrate the hosted engine...
>> >> >> > > So that if there are no hosts available you will be given a
>> >> >> > > related
>> >> >> > message
>> >> >> > > without choice at all and if there is a subset of eligible hosts
>> >> >> > > inside
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > cluster, you will be proposed only to choose one of them and not
>> >> >> > > all
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > hosts inside the cluster.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Makes sense, please open an RFE to track this. Thanks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Been busy these latest days...
>> >> >> Opened now:
>> >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399609
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > 2) If the gui option becomes the default and preferred way to
>> >> >> > > deploy
>> >> >> > hosts
>> >> >> > > in self hosted engine environments I think it should be put in
>> >> >> > > clearer
>> >> >> > shape
>> >> >> > > that if you follow the default action you would not have high
>> >> >> > availability
>> >> >> > > for the hosted engine vm.
>> >> >> > > Or changing the default action to "Deploy", or showing a popup
>> >> >> > > if
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > hosted
>> >> >> > > engine vm has only one host configured for it but there are
>> >> >> > > other
>> >> >> > > hosts
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > > the cluster.
>> >> >> > > Just my opinion.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Makes sense too, but I wonder if people will then be annoyed by
>> >> >> > forgetting
>> >> >> > to uncheck it even after having enough HA hosts, which does have
>> >> >> > its
>> >> >> > cost
>> >> >> > (both actual resource use and also reservations, IIUC). Perhaps we
>> >> >> > should
>> >> >> > enable by default and/or remind only until you have enough HA
>> >> >> > hosts,
>> >> >> > which
>> >> >> > can be a configurable number (and default e.g. to 3).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> and here:
>> >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399613
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Gianluca
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>> >> >> ------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Message: 4
>> >> >> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:28:55 +0000
>> >> >> From: ????? ??????? <mishanindv at gmail.com>
>> >> >> To: Shirly Radco <sradco at redhat.com>
>> >> >> Cc: "Users at ovirt.org" <Users at ovirt.org>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Need help with dashboard
>> >> >> Message-ID:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <CADYaN2fiQAD9abUJrLbx2R175X1VcgGyJ-aQq9WHZ7g8+7eKtQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thank you, I have created a bug.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399597
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ??, 29 ????. 2016 ?. ? 13:54, Shirly Radco <sradco at redhat.com>:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > # su - postgres
>> >> >> > $ pg_dump --file ovirt_engine_history.dump ovirt_engine_history
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Best regards,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Shirly Radco
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > BI Software Engineer
>> >> >> > Red Hat Israel Ltd.
>> >> >> > 34 Jerusalem Road
>> >> >> > Building A, 4th floor
>> >> >> > Ra'anana, Israel 4350109
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, ????? ???????
>> >> >> > <mishanindv at gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hi, sorry for the delay, I do not know how to create
>> >> >> > "ovirt_engine_history db dump"?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ??, 22 ????. 2016 ?. ? 10:52, Shirly Radco <sradco at redhat.com>:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hi,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Can you please open a bug?
>> >> >> > Please attach to the bug these files+ the screenshots +
>> >> >> > ovirt_engine_history db dump.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thank you,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Shirly Radco
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > BI Software Engineer
>> >> >> > Red Hat Israel Ltd.
>> >> >> > 34 Jerusalem Road
>> >> >> > Building A, 4th floor
>> >> >> > Ra'anana, Israel 4350109
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:56 PM, ????? ???????
>> >> >> > <mishanindv at gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thank you that you have answered me. I mean, the data is not
>> >> >> > displayed
>> >> >> > at the bottom of Dashboard. Log files and the status of the
>> >> >> > services
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > attached to the letter.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ??, 20 ????. 2016 ?. ? 11:13, Shirly Radco <sradco at redhat.com>:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hi,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You attached twice the same screenshot...
>> >> >> > Please attach the screenshot with the missing data.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Also, the data for the graphs is collected by the
>> >> >> > ovirt-engine-dwhd
>> >> >> > service.
>> >> >> > Please see if the service is running, also check logs for errors.
>> >> >> > Please attach the log.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Best regards,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Shirly Radco
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > BI Software Engineer
>> >> >> > Red Hat Israel Ltd.
>> >> >> > 34 Jerusalem Road
>> >> >> > Building A, 4th floor
>> >> >> > Ra'anana, Israel 4350109
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:31 AM, ????? ???????
>> >> >> > <mishanindv at gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hi, I need help to load Dasboard, he is incorrectly displayed
>> >> >> > graphics
>> >> >> > processor is not displayed data, memory, disk volume. I installed
>> >> >> > 3
>> >> >> > hosts
>> >> >> > with glusterfs. After installation everything worked fine and the
>> >> >> > data
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > displayed correctly, but then everything was as follows. What
>> >> >> > could
>> >> >> > be a
>> >> >> > problem?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > oVirt Engine Version: 4.0.5.5-1.el7.centos
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > [image: pasted1]
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Shalabh Goel
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Users mailing list
>> >> > Users at ovirt.org
>> >> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >
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>> >
>> > --
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