[ovirt-users] Force-Shutdown a VM?

[Derek Atkins]

Dan,

Dan Yasny <dyasny at gmail.com> writes:

> I haven't seen it documented, oVirt/RHEV always had a full blown GUI, which
> allowed for rightclicks, I normally try a rightclick in every UI that is new
> to me. I suppose the fact that it's a web UI might have caused you to believe
> a rightclick is irrelevant, and if that's the case, for product maturity's
> sake, I'd suggest you post a bug in bugzilla to explicitly document the
> possibility of rightclicking. 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1448491

You are correct.  The fact that it's a webUI, and the fact that there is
an extension of "functions that don't fit in the window", led me to
believe a rightclick is irrelevant.

>     As for my tone, don't you think I had looked for a "power off" button?
>     Your first reply was, while 100% correct, completely useless is helping.
>     Of course I wanted power off; I couldn't find it.  THIS message, thank
>     you, provided what I needed.
>
> Maybe I'm old fashioned (or just plain out old), but I usually hold myself
> back, no matter how annoyed I am, from taking such tones with people whom I do
> not know and who are, moreover, trying to help me. But that's just me, I'm not
> your father to teach you how to behave.  

As someone who has manned a user-list "helpdesk" for the past 18 years
for an accounting program, when I'm trying to help a user I not only
point out the feature they want, but also how to find it.  My assumption
is that the user generally knows what they want but doesn't know how to
do it.  Your initial response gave the first part without the second --
so to me YOUR initial response came across as flippant, so I did respond
in kind.  Mea culpa.  Hopefully we both learn from this?

>     > Just so you are aware, power off pulls the plug out of the VM, it kills
>     it
>     > outright, so the effect will be just as if you've lost power to it. It
>     is
>     > generally healthier to solve the shutdown problem.
>    
>     I am very aware, thank you.  I've been running VMs since, oh, 1993.  My
>     last system was a vmware-based solution which I had in production for
>     about a decade.  (It had a "power off" button in plain sight, by the way).
>
> There is limited space "in plain sight", this is why there is the right click
> menu available with all the options. Which buttons should be present outside
> that menu is arguable, if you think "power off" should be there, please open a
> BZ and provide your reasons. 

The visible menu already has the right-arrow at the side for "additional
functions that can't be shown", so I'm afraid I don't buy this argument.
Similarly, the addition of one more icon wouldn't require a lot of real
estate.  *shrugs*   I'm just a user of ovirt and I get what I pay for.

Thanks,

-derek

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