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<p>Thanks for the clarification Adam.</p>
<p>That makes total sense.</p>
<p>Reagrds<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/04/2017 11:28, Adam Litke wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:12 AM,
FERNANDO FREDIANI <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" target="_blank">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>></span>
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<p>Should I understand then that fecing is not
mandatory, just advised and there are no downtimes to
the rest of the cluster if a pending manual action has
to be done to confirm a host has been rebooted in
order to move the SPM to another live host. Perhaps
only effect is not be able to add new hosts and
connect to storage or something ?</p>
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<div>A missing SPM will not affect existing VMs. Running
VMs (on hosts other than the SPM host) will continue to
run normally and you can even start existing VMs. Without
an SPM you will not be able to manipulate the storage
(Add/remove domains, add/remove disks, migrate disks,
etc).<br>
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17/04/2017 10:06, Nir Soffer wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM
Konstantin Raskoshnyi <<a
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href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">But actually, it didn't work
well. After main SPM host went down I see
this
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2017-04-17 05:23:15,554Z ERROR
[org.ovirt.engine.core.<wbr>vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-<wbr>03a970dbbec1]
SPM Init: could not find reported vds or
not up - pool: 'STG' vds_spm_id: '1'<br>
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<div>2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z INFO
[org.ovirt.engine.core.<wbr>vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-<wbr>03a970dbbec1]
SPM selection - vds seems as spm 'tank5'</div>
<div>2017-04-17 05:23:15,567Z WARN
[org.ovirt.engine.core.<wbr>vdsbroker.irsbroker.IrsProxy]
(DefaultQuartzScheduler5)
[4dcc033d-26bf-49bb-bfaa-<wbr>03a970dbbec1]
spm vds is non responsive, stopping spm
selection.</div>
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<div>So that means only if BMC is up it's
possible to automatically switch SPM
host?</div>
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<div>BMC?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If your SPM is no responsive, the system
will try to fence it. Did you </div>
<div>configure power management for all hosts?
did you check that it </div>
<div>work? How did you simulate non-responsive
host? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If power management is not configured or
fail, the system cannot</div>
<div>move the spm to another host, unless you
manually confirm that the</div>
<div>SPM host was rebooted.</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 8:29 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com"
target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Oh, fence agent works fine if I
select ilo4,</div>
<div>Thank you for your help!</div>
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<div>On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at
8:22 PM Dan Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dyasny@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at
11:19 PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <span><<a
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<div>Makes sense. </div>
<div>I was trying to
set it up, but
doesn't work with
our staging
hardware. </div>
<div>We have old
ilo100, I'll try
again. </div>
<div>Thanks!
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<div>It is absolutely
necessary for any HA
to work properly.
There's of course
the "confirm host
has been shutdown"
option, which serves
as an override for
the fence command,
but it's manual</div>
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<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 8:18 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyasny@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 11:15
PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com" target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Fence
agent under
each node?</div>
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<div>When you
configure a
host, there's
the power
management
tab, where you
need to enter
the bmc
details for
the host. If
you don't have
fencing
enabled, how
do you expect
the system to
make sure a
host running a
service is
actually down
(and it is
safe to start
HA services
elsewhere),
and not, for
example, just
unreachable by
the engine?
How do you
avoid a
splitbraid
-> SBA ?</div>
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<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 8:14 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyasny@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 11:13
PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com" target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>"Corner
cases"? </div>
<div>I tried
to simulate
crash of SPM
server and
ovirt kept
trying to
reistablished
connection to
the failed
node. </div>
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<div>Did you
configure
fencing?</div>
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<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 8:10 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyasny@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Apr 16,
2017 at 7:29
AM, Nir Soffer
<span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com" target="_blank">nsoffer@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 2:05 PM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@redhat.com" target="_blank">dyasny@redhat.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Apr 16, 2017
7:01 AM, "Nir
Soffer" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsoffer@redhat.com" target="_blank">nsoffer@redhat.com</a>>
wrote:<br
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<div>On Sun,
Apr 16, 2017
at 4:17 AM Dan
Yasny <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dyasny@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyasny@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>When you
set up a
storage
domain, you
need to
specify a host
to perform the
initial
storage
operations,
but once the
SD is defined,
it's details
are in the
engine
database, and
all the hosts
get connected
to it
directly. If
the first host
you used to
define the SD
goes down, all
other hosts
will still
remain
connected and
work. SPM is
an HA service,
and if the
current SPM
host goes
down, SPM gets
started on
another host
in the DC. In
short, unless
your actual
NFS exporting
host goes
down, there is
no outage. </div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>There is
no storage
outage, but if
you shutdown
the spm host,
the spm host</div>
<div>will not
move to a new
host until the
spm host is
online again,
or you confirm</div>
<div>manually
that the spm
host was
rebooted.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>In a
properly
configured
setup the SBA
should take
care of that.
That's the
whole point of
HA services </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>In some
cases like
power loss or
hardware
failure, there
is no way to
start</div>
<div>the spm
host, and the
system cannot
recover
automatically.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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</div>
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<div>There are
always corner
cases, no
doubt. But in
a normal
situation.
where an SPM
host goes down
because of a
hardware
failure, it
gets fenced,
other hosts
contend for
SPM and start
it. No
surprises
there. </div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div
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Sat, Apr 15,
2017 at 1:53
PM, Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <span><<a
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<div>Hi
Fernando,</div>
<div>I see
each host has
direct
connection nfs
mount, but
yes, if main
host to which
I connected
nfs storage
going down the
storage
becomes
unavailable
and all vms
are down</div>
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<div>On Sat,
Apr 15, 2017
at 10:37 AM
FERNANDO
FREDIANI <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target="_blank">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello
Konstantin.<br>
<br>
</div>
That doesn`t
make much
sense make a
whole cluster
depend on a
single host.
From what I
know any host
talk directly
to NFS Storage
Array or
whatever other
Shared Storage
you have.<br>
</div>
Have you
tested that
host going
down if that
affects the
other with the
NFS mounted
directlly in a
NFS Storage
array ?<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>Fernando<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">2017-04-15
12:42
GMT-03:00
Konstantin
Raskoshnyi <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:konrasko@gmail.com" target="_blank">konrasko@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>In ovirt
you have to
attach storage
through
specific
host. </div>
<div>If host
goes down
storage is not
available. </div>
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Sat,
Apr 15, 2017
at 7:31 AM
FERNANDO
FREDIANI <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
target="_blank">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div>
<div>Well,
make it not go
through host1
and dedicate a
storage server
for running
NFS and make
both hosts
connect to it.<br>
</div>
In my view NFS
is much easier
to manage than
any other type
of storage,
specially FC
and iSCSI and
performance is
pretty much
the same, so
you won`t get
better results
other than
management
going to other
type.<br>
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<div>I have
one
nfs storage,</div>
<div>it's
connected
through host1.</div>
<div>host2
also has
access to it,
I can easily
migrate
vms between
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<div>The
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if host1 is
down - all
infrastructure
is down, since
all traffic
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<div>is there
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oVirt to use
redundant
storage?</div>
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<div>Only
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