<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Arman Khalatyan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arm2arm@gmail.com" target="_blank">arm2arm@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.<br>
<br>
I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more<br>
stable, clean and useful.<br>
The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those<br>
futures are the secondary tasks for me.<br>
For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices<br>
they can use mOvirt app.<br>
I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main<br>
advertised futures to make them stable.<br>
as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:<br>
- please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution<br>
- one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in<br>
the first point, not the right click one:).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is a bit more complex than you assume.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This makes no sense whatsoever. We'd like to integrate with best of breed projects, not replace them.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- strong solution with a multirail HA storage<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not familiar with the term - can you expand on this?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Boot from SAN for example?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again, I assume a separate utility can probably do a better job.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Metrics are in the works with Elastic and Kibana. DWH is still there.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there<br>
half-solved problems.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Patches are welcome, of course.</div><div>Y.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Greetings from Potsdam,<br>
Arman.<br>
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PS<br>
an Ovirt user since 3.x<br>
8hosts >50Vms<br>
4hosts > 6VMS<br>
10G,IB,RDMA.<br>
looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.<br>
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On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <<a href="mailto:jiri.slezka@slu.cz">jiri.slezka@slu.cz</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:<br>
>> As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You<br>
>> see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't<br>
>> considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline<br>
>> (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).<br>
>><br>
>> We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.<br>
><br>
> I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important<br>
> clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be<br>
> possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.<br>
> This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.<br>
><br>
> Cheers, Jiri<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for the feedback!<br>
>> Oved<br>
>><br>
>> On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com">budic@onholyground.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com">budic@onholyground.com</a><wbr>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will<br>
>> miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but<br>
>> I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease<br>
>> of use on Desktop over Mobile!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>------------<br>
>>> *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com">fernando.frediani@upx.<wbr>com</a>>><br>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release<br>
>>> is now available for testing<br>
>>> *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT<br>
>>> *To:* <a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org">users@ovirt.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org">users@ovirt.org</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?<br>
>>>>> Because,<br>
>>>>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to<br>
>>>>> interact with<br>
>>>>> object (migrate, maintenance...)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br>
>>>> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while<br>
>>>> its not 100%<br>
>>>> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.<br>
>>>> Mobile devices<br>
>>>> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would<br>
>>>> make no<br>
>>>> sense.<br>
>>> Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile<br>
>>> usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day<br>
>>> operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and<br>
>>> manage their large environments. If having both options where you<br>
>>> can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail<br>
>>> should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading<br>
>>> interface or something you need that level or flexibility and<br>
>>> mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.<br>
>>><br>
>>> So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are<br>
>>> pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because<br>
>>> of a new trend or buzz stuff.<br>
>>> Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will<br>
>>> be for quite a while.<br>
>>>> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of<br>
>>>> ours and you<br>
>>>> can do things like copy from the menu.<br>
>>>> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the<br>
>>>> buttons/kebab menu<br>
>>>> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly<br>
>>>> used actions as<br>
>>>> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter<br>
>>>> the interface.<br>
>>>> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel<br>
>>>> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu<br>
>>>> because its<br>
>>>> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that<br>
>>>> was only<br>
>>>> available in the right click menu.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move<br>
>>>> or not. For<br>
>>>> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it<br>
>>>> back, it is<br>
>>>> certainly possible we will put it back.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster<br>
>>>>>> and better<br>
>>>>>> than before.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of<br>
>>>>>>>> the First<br>
>>>>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to<br>
>>>>>>>> be used<br>
>>>>>>>> in production.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask<br>
>>>>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues<br>
>>>>>>>> or bugs<br>
>>>>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This<br>
>>>>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one<br>
>>>>>>>> thousand<br>
>>>>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity<br>
>>>>>>>> fixes, on<br>
>>>>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> *<br>
>>>>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely<br>
>>>>>>>> redesigned using<br>
>>>>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application<br>
>>>>>>>> design.<br>
>>>>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an<br>
>>>>>>>> improved<br>
>>>>>>>> user experience.<br>
>>>>>>>> *<br>
>>>>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.<br>
>>>>>>>> *<br>
>>>>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been<br>
>>>>>>>> added to the<br>
>>>>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.<br>
>>>>>>>> *<br>
>>>>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open<br>
>>>>>>>> vSwitch software<br>
>>>>>>>> defined networking (SDN).<br>
>>>>>>>> *<br>
>>>>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.<br>
>>>>>>>> *<br>
>>>>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common<br>
>>>>>>>> administration tasks.<br>
>>>>>>>> *<br>
>>>>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check<br>
>>>>>>>> out the<br>
>>>>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/<wbr>09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/<wbr>09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/</a>>>.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le<br>
>>>>>>>> architectures for:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade<br>
>>>>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Notes:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Additional Resources:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:<br>
>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a>><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter:<br>
>>>>>>>> <a href="https://twitter.com/ovirt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ovirt</a><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:<br>
>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.ovirt.org/blog/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/blog/</a><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> [1] <a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>community/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>community/</a>><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>community/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>community/</a>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> [2]<br>
>>>>>>>> <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/<wbr>enter_bug.cgi?classification=<wbr>oVirt</a> <<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/<wbr>enter_bug.cgi?classification=<wbr>oVirt</a>><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/<wbr>enter_bug.cgi?classification=<wbr>oVirt</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/<wbr>enter_bug.cgi?classification=<wbr>oVirt</a>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> [3] <a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a>><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> [4] <a href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://resources.ovirt.org/<wbr>pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://resources.ovirt.org/<wbr>pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a>><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://resources.ovirt.org/<wbr>pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://resources.ovirt.org/<wbr>pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG<br>
>>>>>>>> VIRTUALIZATION R&D<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <<a href="https://www.redhat.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/</a>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="https://red.ht/sig" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://red.ht/sig</a>><br>
>>>>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <<a href="https://redhat.com/trusted" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://redhat.com/trusted</a>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.teraplan.it/<wbr>redhat-osd-2017/</a><br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.teraplan.it/<wbr>redhat-osd-2017/</a>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
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