<div dir="auto"><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 3, 2017 13:48, "FERNANDO FREDIANI" <<a href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1 for complete diskless hosts<br>
-1 for mobile usability over desktop :-)<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That was mentioned as one motivation, but as I've explained earlier it is definitely not the main one. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards, </div><div dir="auto">Oved </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Fernando</font><div class="elided-text"><br>
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On 02/11/2017 20:46, Arman Khalatyan wrote:<br>
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I just tested the new 4.2, looks new shiny UI, thanks.<br>
<br>
I would like to join to Jiris statement, ovirt should become more<br>
stable, clean and useful.<br>
The right or left clicks or UI designs, mobile friendly or not,those<br>
futures are the secondary tasks for me.<br>
For those who would like to manage the vms from the mobile devices<br>
they can use mOvirt app.<br>
I wish that the development team will concentrate on the main<br>
advertised futures to make them stable.<br>
as a user I wish that the following points can make it stronger:<br>
- please make a ovirt as a FULL HA solution<br>
- one of the weak points of the ovirt is a spm, this should go away in<br>
the first point, not the right click one:).<br>
- hosts management like a foreman, but without foreman.<br>
- strong solution with a multirail HA storage<br>
- move hosts complete to disk-less infrastructure, easy to scale-up<br>
- scheduled backup solution integrated in the gui/api<br>
- reasonable reports,( similar like dwd in 3.6)<br>
Most of the points are almost done, but we have always hire or there<br>
half-solved problems.<br>
<br>
<br>
Greetings from Potsdam,<br>
Arman.<br>
<br>
PS<br>
an Ovirt user since 3.x<br>
8hosts >50Vms<br>
4hosts > 6VMS<br>
10G,IB,RDMA.<br>
looking to deploy ovirt on a cluster environment on user demand.<br>
<br>
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Jiří Sléžka <<a href="mailto:jiri.slezka@slu.cz" target="_blank">jiri.slezka@slu.cz</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 10/31/2017 06:57 PM, Oved Ourfali wrote:<br>
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As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one. You<br>
see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't<br>
considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly guideline<br>
(patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the application).<br>
<br>
We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.<br>
</blockquote>
I'm using right click time to time, but for me is much more important<br>
clean, simple and compatible UI. Especially if this means it will be<br>
possible to simple select and copy any text or log messages from UI.<br>
This is my biggest pain when interacting with manager.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Jiri<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks for the feedback!<br>
Oved<br>
<br>
On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com" target="_blank">budic@onholyground.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com" target="_blank">budic@onholyground.com</a><wbr>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will<br>
miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but<br>
I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease<br>
of use on Desktop over Mobile!<br>
<br>
<br>
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*From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" target="_blank">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" target="_blank">fernando.frediani@<wbr>upx.com</a>>><br>
*Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release<br>
is now available for testing<br>
*Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT<br>
*To:* <a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users@ovirt.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users@ovirt.org</a>><br>
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On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?<br>
Because,<br>
currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to<br>
interact with<br>
object (migrate, maintenance...)<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br>
<br>
Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br>
- We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while<br>
its not 100%<br>
there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.<br>
Mobile devices<br>
don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would<br>
make no<br>
sense.<br>
</blockquote>
Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile<br>
usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day<br>
operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and<br>
manage their large environments. If having both options where you<br>
can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail<br>
should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock Trading<br>
interface or something you need that level or flexibility and<br>
mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.<br>
<br>
So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are<br>
pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because<br>
of a new trend or buzz stuff.<br>
Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will<br>
be for quite a while.<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of<br>
ours and you<br>
can do things like copy from the menu.<br>
- We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the<br>
buttons/kebab menu<br>
available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly<br>
used actions as<br>
a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter<br>
the interface.<br>
We traded an extra click for some mouse travel<br>
- Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu<br>
because its<br>
a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that<br>
was only<br>
available in the right click menu.<br>
<br>
Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move<br>
or not. For<br>
now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it<br>
back, it is<br>
certainly possible we will put it back.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster<br>
and better<br>
than before.<br>
<br>
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On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br>
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The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of<br>
the First<br>
Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017<br>
<br>
<br>
This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to<br>
be used<br>
in production.<br>
<br>
Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask<br>
questions and interact with developers and users.All issues<br>
or bugs<br>
should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].<br>
<br>
This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This<br>
release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one<br>
thousand<br>
bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity<br>
fixes, on<br>
top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br>
<br>
<br>
What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br>
<br>
*<br>
The Administration Portalhas been completely<br>
redesigned using<br>
Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application<br>
design.<br>
It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an<br>
improved<br>
user experience.<br>
*<br>
There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.<br>
*<br>
A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been<br>
added to the<br>
New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.<br>
*<br>
Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open<br>
vSwitch software<br>
defined networking (SDN).<br>
*<br>
oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.<br>
*<br>
The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common<br>
administration tasks.<br>
*<br>
Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br>
<br>
For more information about these and other features, check<br>
out the<br>
oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br>
<<a href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/<wbr>09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/</a><br>
<<a href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/<wbr>09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/</a>>>.<br>
<br>
<br>
This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:<br>
<br>
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
<br>
This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le<br>
architectures for:<br>
<br>
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
<br>
* oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)<br>
<br>
<br>
See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade<br>
instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.<br>
<br>
<br>
Notes:<br>
<br>
- oVirt Appliance is already available.<br>
<br>
- An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.<br>
<br>
<br>
Additional Resources:<br>
<br>
* Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:<br>
<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr>4.2.0/</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>release/4.2.0/</a>><br>
<<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>release/4.2.0/</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>release/4.2.0/</a>>><br>
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<br>
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<<a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ovirt.org/commun<wbr>ity/</a>><br>
<<a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ovirt.org/commun<wbr>ity/</a><br>
<<a href="https://www.ovirt.org/community/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ovirt.org/commun<wbr>ity/</a>>><br>
<br>
[2]<br>
<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/e<wbr>nter_bug.cgi?classification=oV<wbr>irt</a> <<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/e<wbr>nter_bug.cgi?classification=oV<wbr>irt</a>><br>
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[3] <a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/release/4<wbr>.2.0/</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>release/4.2.0/</a>><br>
<<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>release/4.2.0/</a><br>
<<a href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/<wbr>release/4.2.0/</a>>><br>
<br>
[4] <a href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://resources.ovirt.org/pub<wbr>/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a><br>
<<a href="http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://resources.ovirt.org/p<wbr>ub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/</a>><br>
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