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From kwade at redhat.com Sun Mar 10 05:52:16 2013 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 21:52:16 -0800 Subject: [Wiki] oVirt_Wiki account request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513C1F90.5000705@redhat.com> BTW, is there anybody on this list who would like to step up to Bureaucrat level on the wiki, which includes approving these account requests? It's important that we consider the requests, be aware that the email account is confirmed, and look for humans trying to sneak in to deface or convert/create spam. Thanks - Karsten On 03/09/2013 03:56 PM, MediaWiki Mail wrote: > "Scohen" has requested an account and is waiting for confirmation. > The e-mail address has been confirmed. You can confirm the request here "http://www.ovirt.org/Special:ConfirmAccounts". > _______________________________________________ > Wiki mailing list > Wiki at ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki > -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Analyst - Community Growth http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 255 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From wiki at ovirt.org Wed Mar 13 13:33:49 2013 From: wiki at ovirt.org (MediaWiki Mail) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:33:49 +0000 Subject: [Wiki] oVirt_Wiki account request Message-ID: "Oernii" has requested an account and is waiting for confirmation. The e-mail address has been confirmed. You can confirm the request here "http://www.ovirt.org/Special:ConfirmAccounts". From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 13 17:43:00 2013 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:43:00 -0700 Subject: [Wiki] Process for new account requests Message-ID: <5140BAA4.7090506@redhat.com> Thanks to Rydekull and dneary, we are now getting email for the new account requests to the wiki on ovirt.org. Yay! In the last few weeks, two of these accounts we approved have in fact been spammers. Boo! The problem I'm having is that we get new account requests from people and there is not enough information to tell at the beginning if it's a human or a bot. (Or a human spammer, which we can call bot for simplicity.) Also, my attempts to figure out who is a human or not can lead to resisting or rejecting people who appear to come from generic domains, e.g qq.com or because of a sketchy bio. Sometimes I can tell the source email address seems to be professional, e.g. today it's http://axonpro.sk. Thus we introduce prejudice against individual contributors or people who use e.g. gmail.com instead, and cultural or linguistic bias against incomplete, inconsistent, or oddly worded bios. Some thoughts I've had for a process to follow when confirming an account: * The email must be confirmed; that means that at least the address you see can receive account confirmation email. We aren't yet taking anonymous contributions, so having a way to reach out to people is a key to being a contributor. * Biography must not be nonsense; it's OK if it's a set of personal keywords, e.g. today we got "pmd85 commodore plus4 286 dos windows linux". ** FWIW, I think this is where the longer biography that we earlier shunned comes in useful - people have to write something real and appropriate, which is harder for a bot to do. ** Of course, the bio works against people for whom English is not a language they are very good writing in. (Thus, higher barriers due to language and/or culture.) * If there is anything suspicious looking or incomplete or otherwise just doesn't make you feel safe granting access, send email to the individual asking for more details to prove they are human. ** Is this idea a bit rude? I figure, if you are clear and concise it should be OK: "Hi, I'm checking from the oVirt wiki account system that you are really a human. We've been having trouble with wiki spam. Can you please tell me a bit more about your interest in oVirt?" Any other ideas or thoughts? Cheers - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Analyst - Community Growth http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 255 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dneary at redhat.com Wed Mar 13 19:54:50 2013 From: dneary at redhat.com (Dave Neary) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:54:50 +0100 Subject: [Wiki] Process for new account requests In-Reply-To: <5140BAA4.7090506@redhat.com> References: <5140BAA4.7090506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5140D98A.8090909@redhat.com> Hi, On 03/13/2013 06:43 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Thanks to Rydekull and dneary, we are now getting email for the new > account requests to the wiki on ovirt.org. Yay! Correction: Thanks to Rydekull (credit where it's due!). > In the last few weeks, two of these accounts we approved have in fact > been spammers. Boo! Mea culpa on one - the spammers have been generating some rather convincing bio copy. However, 2 spammers is not so bad. I would expect us to be keeping an eye on RecentChanges (time permitting, I know I do) to catch spam. And we have. Which is great. > The problem I'm having is that we get new account requests from people > and there is not enough information to tell at the beginning if it's a > human or a bot. (Or a human spammer, which we can call bot for simplicity.) Yes, this is a problem. But I think we're doing quite well. We should certainly encourage people to write something to show they're a nice human, but some people won't, and I think we can manage that - as long as those people understand that (a) they make it harder for us to keep spammers out, and (b) there is a cost involved in approving their accounts, I'm sure that as good empathic people they will take the few seconds it takes to let us know they know a little about oVirt, for the most part. > Some thoughts I've had for a process to follow when confirming an account: > > * The email must be confirmed; that means that at least the address you > see can receive account confirmation email. We aren't yet taking > anonymous contributions, so having a way to reach out to people is a key > to being a contributor. This is the case already - the email to notify moderators is not sent until the email is confirmed. > * Biography must not be nonsense; it's OK if it's a set of personal > keywords, e.g. today we got "pmd85 commodore plus4 286 dos windows linux". > ** FWIW, I think this is where the longer biography that we earlier > shunned comes in useful - people have to write something real and > appropriate, which is harder for a bot to do. > ** Of course, the bio works against people for whom English is not a > language they are very good writing in. (Thus, higher barriers due to > language and/or culture.) I think keep it short, and encourage good behaviour (explaining the down sides of bad behaviour) is the way to go. > * If there is anything suspicious looking or incomplete or otherwise > just doesn't make you feel safe granting access, send email to the > individual asking for more details to prove they are human. This is what "hold" is - I've been hesitant to use it. I think it's fine to do so, but it should be a minority thing. > Any other ideas or thoughts? No - I think you've covered it all. Thanks for bringing this up! Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 From wiki at ovirt.org Thu Mar 14 14:42:01 2013 From: wiki at ovirt.org (MediaWiki Mail) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:42:01 +0000 Subject: [Wiki] oVirt_Wiki account request Message-ID: "Bjnl" has requested an account and is waiting for confirmation. The e-mail address has been confirmed. You can confirm the request here "http://www.ovirt.org/Special:ConfirmAccounts". From wiki at ovirt.org Tue Mar 19 17:20:14 2013 From: wiki at ovirt.org (MediaWiki Mail) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:20:14 +0000 Subject: [Wiki] oVirt_Wiki account request Message-ID: "Hleclerc" has requested an account and is waiting for confirmation. The e-mail address has been confirmed. You can confirm the request here "http://www.ovirt.org/Special:ConfirmAccounts". From wiki at ovirt.org Wed Mar 20 09:08:14 2013 From: wiki at ovirt.org (MediaWiki Mail) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:08:14 +0000 Subject: [Wiki] oVirt_Wiki account request Message-ID: "VKS" has requested an account and is waiting for confirmation. The e-mail address has been confirmed. You can confirm the request here "http://www.ovirt.org/Special:ConfirmAccounts". From wiki at ovirt.org Wed Mar 20 12:46:17 2013 From: wiki at ovirt.org (MediaWiki Mail) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:46:17 +0000 Subject: [Wiki] oVirt_Wiki account request Message-ID: "Philipp reisner" has requested an account and is waiting for confirmation. The e-mail address has been confirmed. You can confirm the request here "http://www.ovirt.org/Special:ConfirmAccounts". From wiki at ovirt.org Thu Mar 21 22:06:30 2013 From: wiki at ovirt.org (MediaWiki Mail) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:06:30 +0000 Subject: [Wiki] oVirt_Wiki account request Message-ID: "Hakan z" has requested an account and is waiting for confirmation. The e-mail address has been confirmed. You can confirm the request here "http://www.ovirt.org/Special:ConfirmAccounts". From wiki at ovirt.org Thu Mar 21 22:10:18 2013 From: wiki at ovirt.org (MediaWiki Mail) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:10:18 +0000 Subject: [Wiki] oVirt_Wiki account request Message-ID: "Hakan z" has requested an account and is waiting for confirmation. 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