revised download page mockup
Hi everyone, Based on some feedback from the IRC meeting yesterday, I've scaled back the changes needed from oVirt for the download page and designed an alternate that we could use for the immediate future. http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download-alt.html It's based on what is currently on oVirt.org, with some minor changes: • simplification of the installation steps • inclusion of system requirements and some summary text at the top As I wanted to communicate what each section would say, I wrote some filler text that should be somewhat close to the idea of what we might want to use. However, the text on this page is very rough in comparison to the other pages, so please keep this in mind. Also, I should note that the original download design (for comparison) is at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download.html ...and the background thoughts behind the original download page are at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design-downlo... Thanks! I'm looking forward to your feedback! Garrett
Garrett, This is great: it's clean, it's visually appealing, and it's concise. Finding non-Fedora distro instructions is easy, and the fact that the page solicits help for other distributions makes it (hopefully) apparent that it's not just a Fedora/RHEL party. Jon -- Jon Benedict Technical Marketing Engineer Red Hat Technologies Data Center Platforms Blog http://captainkvm.com | Twitter @CaptainKVM On 9/6/12 2:58 PM, "Garrett LeSage" <garrett@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Based on some feedback from the IRC meeting yesterday, I've scaled back the changes needed from oVirt for the download page and designed an alternate that we could use for the immediate future.
http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download-alt.html
It's based on what is currently on oVirt.org, with some minor changes: € simplification of the installation steps € inclusion of system requirements and some summary text at the top
As I wanted to communicate what each section would say, I wrote some filler text that should be somewhat close to the idea of what we might want to use. However, the text on this page is very rough in comparison to the other pages, so please keep this in mind.
Also, I should note that the original download design (for comparison) is at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download.html
...and the background thoughts behind the original download page are at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design-down load.html
Thanks! I'm looking forward to your feedback! Garrett _______________________________________________ Board mailing list Board@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board
On 09/06/2012 11:58 AM, Garrett LeSage wrote:
Hi everyone,
Based on some feedback from the IRC meeting yesterday, I've scaled back the changes needed from oVirt for the download page and designed an alternate that we could use for the immediate future.
This looks very nice, Garrett. Some comments/thoughts: The minimum RAM for ovirt is 4GB. You can get by with less, but the engine-setup script won't run if it detects less RAM. There is a command line argument, --no-mem-check, that disables the minimum memory check. If we're going for simplicity, we may want to go with the ovirt-engine-setup-plugin-allinone as the suggested package to install. This way, you come out of these directions ready to create and run VMs. For a complete setup, it may be that the steps required are too many to include on this page. We could link to the quick start guide here: http://wiki.ovirt.org/wiki/Quick_Start_Guide. Right now, oVirt only works with Fedora and CentOS/RHEL. We shouldn't give people the wrong idea about multi-distro possibilities. Someone could get the engine app running on jboss on a different platform, but vdsm, an essential component for doing anything w/ ovirt, is very much tied to fedora/el right now. I really like the "you can help us make ovirt easy to run everywhere" link -- we need that help!
http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download-alt.html
It's based on what is currently on oVirt.org, with some minor changes: • simplification of the installation steps • inclusion of system requirements and some summary text at the top
As I wanted to communicate what each section would say, I wrote some filler text that should be somewhat close to the idea of what we might want to use. However, the text on this page is very rough in comparison to the other pages, so please keep this in mind.
Also, I should note that the original download design (for comparison) is at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download.html
...and the background thoughts behind the original download page are at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design-downlo...
Thanks! I'm looking forward to your feedback! Garrett _______________________________________________ Board mailing list Board@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/board
-- @jasonbrooks
Hi, On 09/11/2012 11:33 PM, Jason Brooks wrote:
Right now, oVirt only works with Fedora and CentOS/RHEL. We shouldn't give people the wrong idea about multi-distro possibilities. Someone could get the engine app running on jboss on a different platform, but vdsm, an essential component for doing anything w/ ovirt, is very much tied to fedora/el right now.
While I accept that this is the current situation, I think we definitely want to give people the impression on the website that this is not a Red Hat only virtualisation manager - yes, there's work to be done to integrate it on other distros, but we are more than happy to integrate that work, and we plan on doing it ourselves for Ubuntu in the near future. The message "we welcome people who want to run other distros as oVirt nodes" is important. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13
On 09/12/2012 01:01 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi,
On 09/11/2012 11:33 PM, Jason Brooks wrote:
Right now, oVirt only works with Fedora and CentOS/RHEL. We shouldn't give people the wrong idea about multi-distro possibilities. Someone could get the engine app running on jboss on a different platform, but vdsm, an essential component for doing anything w/ ovirt, is very much tied to fedora/el right now.
While I accept that this is the current situation, I think we definitely want to give people the impression on the website that this is not a Red Hat only virtualisation manager - yes, there's work to be done to integrate it on other distros, but we are more than happy to integrate that work, and we plan on doing it ourselves for Ubuntu in the near future. The message "we welcome people who want to run other distros as oVirt nodes" is important.
Definitely -- I hope to see us make multi-distro a reality asap, and it's important to make that goal clear -- and make clear that currently, a goal is what it is.
Cheers, Dave.
-- @jasonbrooks
On 09/11/2012 11:33 PM, Jason Brooks wrote:
This looks very nice, Garrett.
Thanks!
Some comments/thoughts:
The minimum RAM for ovirt is 4GB. You can get by with less, but the engine-setup script won't run if it detects less RAM. There is a command line argument, --no-mem-check, that disables the minimum memory check.
Thanks for the correction! It was a placeholder to express the desire for minimum requirements on that page — but accuracy even on mockups is a great thing, so I'm modifying them now. Do you know the other requirements too? Such as hard disk space, etc. — or anything I might be leaving out…?
If we're going for simplicity, we may want to go with the ovirt-engine-setup-plugin-allinone as the suggested package to install. This way, you come out of these directions ready to create and run VMs. For a complete setup, it may be that the steps required are too many to include on this page. We could link to the quick start guide here: http://wiki.ovirt.org/wiki/Quick_Start_Guide.
That's the intent of the original download mockup: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download.html & Info: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design-downlo... From my understanding, it'll take effort from multiple people to get the all-in-one install ISO working how we want it to. The goal of the download-alt mockup was to make sure we can move forward with the website and still launch in the near future, even if the all-in-one ISO isn't quite yet ready. (Hopefully we can move to the fully packaged version soon, as I think it's conceptually friendlier to those installing oVirt.)
Right now, oVirt only works with Fedora and CentOS/RHEL. We shouldn't give people the wrong idea about multi-distro possibilities.
Agreed. That's why I focused on using Fedora in both download page mockups and added a plea-for-help. When other OSes are 100% *fully* supported in an all-in-one install ISO, we could then (perhaps) add some way to switch the page when we're comfortable enough that they work. Until that time, I firmly believe having a recommended install path with links to secondary support is fine.
Someone could get the engine app running on jboss on a different platform, but vdsm, an essential component for doing anything w/ ovirt, is very much tied to fedora/el right now.
For the time being, "other distros" just means having the management UI running on various platforms, and that everyone using oVirt is using Fedora/RHEL/RHEL-derivative doing the heavy lifting on the servers, right? What's the general plan & timeframe for getting VDSM et al. working cross-distro, so that all of oVirt can run everywhere? Garrett
On 09/12/2012 11:04 AM, Garrett LeSage wrote:
If we're going for simplicity, we may want to go with the ovirt-engine-setup-plugin-allinone as the suggested package to install. This way, you come out of these directions ready to create and run VMs. For a complete setup, it may be that the steps required are too many to include on this page. We could link to the quick start guide here: http://wiki.ovirt.org/wiki/Quick_Start_Guide.
That's the intent of the original download mockup: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/mockup-1/download.html & Info: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/oVirt/website/background-info/design-downlo...
From my understanding, it'll take effort from multiple people to get the all-in-one install ISO working how we want it to.
This is different from ISO -- I'm talking about the all-in-one engine-setup plugin that's currently available. Right now, you can install the package "ovirt-engine-setup-plugin-allinone" which pulls in all the same stuff as ovirt-engine, but adds the option, in the engine-setup script, to make your engine also be a virtualization host. With the regular setup, you come out of the script with the engine, a default data center, and an (optional) iso domain running on the engine machine. You then have to go create a data domain and add a host before you can use ovirt. The AIO plugin adds a local data domain, and configures the engine to host VMs, so when you first visit the web console, you're ready to roll.
For the time being, "other distros" just means having the management UI running on various platforms, and that everyone using oVirt is using Fedora/RHEL/RHEL-derivative doing the heavy lifting on the servers, right?
What's the general plan & timeframe for getting VDSM et al. working cross-distro, so that all of oVirt can run everywhere?
I don't know the plan -- it'd be good to have a "things needed to enable multi-distro" page on the wiki. I'll try to start one.
Garrett
-- @jasonbrooks
On 09/12/2012 08:17 PM, Jason Brooks wrote:
This is different from ISO
Aha, okay. That's also great, and it's probably a requirement for an all-in-one installer that would allow someone to download just one ISO to install: A) All of oVirt (this would be the default) B) The server part ("node") C) The web-based management UI (Another approach could be to _always_ install everything on each machine, and oVirt could run in one of the above modes.)
What's the general plan & timeframe for getting VDSM et al. working cross-distro, so that all of oVirt can run everywhere?
I don't know the plan -- it'd be good to have a "things needed to enable multi-distro" page on the wiki. I'll try to start one.
Great idea! Garrett
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