Re: To /wiki or not to /wiki

On 11/14/2012 08:33 AM, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote: > Hi, > > What about using .htaccess or URL rewrite for solving this? Thanks, yes, that is the way we handle the change technically. With OpenShift we'll use a .htaccess file. The question here is more of "should we make that change". Currently, the wiki follows the MediaWiki recommended format of having /wiki in the URL.

- Karsten > regards, > > On 11/14/2012 05:18 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >> This is the best place for this discussion ... sort of.[1] >> >> This topic is slightly complex, I'll sort things here in to some >> sections to help. >> >> == Background == >> >> With MediaWiki serving www.ovirt.org, that means we will be redirecting >> away from (and no longer using) wiki.ovirt.org. >> >> MW is going to provide the top-level pages, and standard MW >> configuration is to have everything appear after /wiki. It is not >> impossible to change this, but it has 3 main caveats: >> >> 1. Some stuff is going to be a bit harder - we have to resolve >> robots.txt and favicon.ico as not wiki articles, for example.[2] >> >> 2. We may get occasional bugs that people who use /wiki won't get. >> >> 3. mediawiki.org says, "this is not supported by the MediaWiki >> developers. So if your scheme doesn't work with a new MediaWiki version, >> you're on your own." >> >> Relevant sources: >> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Apache >> >> == Options == >> >> A. All site URLs are in the form of http://ovirt.org/wiki/Page_name >> >> B. All site URLs are in the form of http://ovirt.org/w/Page_name >> >> C. All site URLs are in the form of http://ovirt.org/Page_name >> >> == My opinion == >> >> I like option C - I want to see clean URLs that hide implementation >> details. >> >> My opinion on those concerns about upstream: that's open source. It's >> hard to do anything without having problems unique or rare due to your >> circumstances, getting bugs that others don't see who follow the >> out-of-the-box installation, and to wonder if you won't be able to get >> community support for the unusual configuration. >> >> As it happens, we've been running MediaWiki for the last year using the >> EPEL RPM -- which is not supported by the MediaWiki developers. When I >> went last Fall looking for help with something, #mediawiki told me to >> get rid of the RPM and use the ZIP instead, then come back for help. >> (The package maintainer (smooge) has been helpful in all cases instead, >> so I've been able to avoid having to go to the upstream developers for >> help again.) >> >> We have no guarantee that MediaWiki developers will support the >> OpenShift quickstart. It also does not use the ZIP out-of-the-box >> install, so it likely is unsupported. >> >> My conclusion here is, personally, I have to not care that we're going >> to be unsupported, since being supported is actually worse. (I'd rather >> run unsupported with a good RPM than supported with an unsigned ZIP.) >> >> Links from anywhere in the site that point to "the wiki" should point to >> a landing page e.g. [[OVirt wiki]] that organizes the pages on the wiki, >> exposing popular categories, etc. Thus, "the wiki" is not identified by >> a specific URL, it is identified by the type of content on the page - is >> it intended to be community documentation (a wiki) by it's category. >> >> == Footnotes == >> >> [1] I want to acknowledge as we start that part of Garrett's expertise >> that he brings to oVirt is the human-computer interface skillset. That >> may not be a skill that many others of us on this list have. Are there >> some folks in the rest of oVirt development we can invite to this >> discussion? UI or UX folks, for example? >> >> The reason why this matters is we want to separate our geeky-preferences >> from the way things tend to work best for a broad range of humans. For >> example, I love sub-domains, they work well for my brain - I'm so much >> happier with lists.ovirt.org/mailman/... than www.ovirt.org/mailman... >> But if Garrett told me that is not the best way to present the >> information for a wide audience, I would have to give that opinion high >> credence. Heck, I'm prepared to do some pretzel twists to make it >> happen, based on that. (I've also always secretly loathed that MediaWiki >> has the /wiki requirement.) >> >> [2] I suspect we can special-case them in the .htaccess file. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Infra mailing list >> Infra(a)ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Infra mailing list > Infra(a)ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra > _______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra