--=-8IypELm1jDXZvlCEJt6n Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le vendredi 16 janvier 2015 =C3=A0 08:23 +0100, Sandro Bonazzola a =C3=A9cr= it :
Il 15/01/2015 18:31, Michael Scherer ha scritto:
Hi, =20 Itamar, by the proxy of Brian, did asked me to look on the bounce issue we have on the users lists. So after a few hours of careful log reading= , here is my finding. =20 The bounce situation --------------------- =20 We (ml admin) get on a regular basis people who get unsubscribed and message about bounce. People being unsubscribed automatically is bad(tm), and bounces are annoying.=20 =20 =20 Investigation ------------- =20 A first look show that our mails are bounced as they are marked as spam by Google. Google doc on the matter do not give much, some people point to using dkim, spf, etc. But spf is not for us, but for the sender, and dkim is not ml friendly, afaik, and requires upstream support if I understood well. =20 Not all mails are bounced, which is good. That mean the ip is not problematic.=20 =20 So I took a few hours to look on every bounce and roughly, there is 2 groups. =20 Group 1 -------- =20 First group is that all mail from the same poster on the users list hav= e bounced at Google. Out of the 16 mail he sent, 16 have been rejected by Google. I have no idea why, I suspect the spf policy, but it did looked ok. None of the mail of answer had a issue, so that's likely not a content problem. =20 =20 However, the ip address of the sender is in the SORBS blacklist, so that's likely what trigger Google spam filter. =20 Not much we can do, besides contacting him, which I will do. =20 Group 2 -------- Roughly, that's mail in this thread : http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2015-January/030494.html =20 and the mails from Sandro : http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2015-January/030420.html http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2015-January/030423.html =20 Common point, use of goo.gl and ur1.ca. It turn out that both domain ar= e flagged as URI spam, since that's used by spammer to hide their link. S= o I suspect that Gmail started to "learn" about them as spam, as the rest of the world did : http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/ur1.ca.html http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/goo.gl.html =20 Again, not much we can do, besides asking to people to not use these services ( which is not gonna work I think ). =20 I may try to use bit.ly red.ht instead of goo.gl. Can we provide our own url shortener on ovirt.org? That should avoid blac= klisting.
I do not think bit.ly is gonna change much. It is likely abused for the same reason by the same people. And the url are too complicated to be sent sometime, so we cannot just avoid them at all. I also pondered about adding a url shortener on ovirt.org. Besides the load on admin team it create, I think it would have the same issue as the others after some time, and so we would need to add some authentication, which start to make thing a bit complicated.=20 --=20 Michael Scherer Open Source and Standards, Sysadmin --=-8IypELm1jDXZvlCEJt6n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJUuMlRAAoJEE89Wa+PrSK9HMoQAJfAN37HJRErlaxD8F9yHiot F9XxSNxhVE9cDFLNN9XBoD6XIAnenLeHDzwwo1DzqWkLnW8f7kgcmyv/YCeqaJVK Xf5uESJGi8bYsiviaS7RJy1FyIZhoCc0UmvAl0v6iZyiqMfqkT6mJMQDK7Awt9cM jr3lu/l6ivjlfFD+ujhtFQzuqRVA0nNAlskMbdPhO98kLGTK5a1bI+RODTmtxRsW XazD0bA9/O/7geEL1nMOIQDWmA6Kgx6bJrvwFZqeCg3d/FCUz5uJM5XeksGP/1Aw f7pLgFniAKOLSM2wvvdjIG8rI03AsOfQ8zFx0RUa4RBceCbZnhL45ZSZZez6yJ+7 bxk3ADSvbNfrKh4s5Ty8xYEnVjB6fCNeB/UIhbE3KAqb9CARiB9VW4i81X41fG8b jQA3PbrolT2UftPCMETeMfQEVOLogIrFypxMF0uvGN6U4wiWML3WqLXr8sBoBQb5 ArHvJQqHsvLGRdskI9S/mzy5v1II2Zm1sbzqeRT/1nvVXY35+GpmdldLok8VwJQI 9PEyVAVXN7tR27U3nhvTXeoJwy0KvrkGaeRFFPQw/WorNYgWV1ghSu6Bu0rFTAwY tnVonP6SSz07myTb2z4evyoZYQ02wYVQAqjO2MvWYAwNKcaJYdtnBbVpGQE3kAXe 9pTVAihjdbyTC0yX7WM8 =5Wri -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-8IypELm1jDXZvlCEJt6n--