I've been getting this too much lately... Currently I'm having a discussion with ~9 people. Is this reason really needed? If so, can we increase the # to something reasonable? Let's say 20? ----- Forwarded Message -----
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I've been getting this too much lately... =20 Currently I'm having a discussion with ~9 people. Is this reason really needed?=20 If so, can we increase the # to something reasonable? Let's say 20?
OK, I set it to 20. We have to do that for each list, too. Let us know if there is another list that runs in to this problem. - Karsten
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Hi Doron, On 11/26/2012 04:41 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
I've been getting this too much lately...
Currently I'm having a discussion with ~9 people. Is this reason really needed? If so, can we increase the # to something reasonable? Let's say 20?
May I ask, is everyone in the discussion registered for the list? If so, perhaps you can avoid including them all in the "To:" or "CC:" lines? 20 people CCed is a lot for a mailing list. 10 sounds much more reasonable to me. We can also change the mailing list rules to remove members of the list from the CC list of emails you get - this should ensure that only people who are not subscribed to the list stay CCed. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13
This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEFF765A2FBFD8E94875A48E1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/26/2012 07:51 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
I've been getting this too much lately...
Currently I'm having a discussion with ~9 people. Is this reason really needed? If so, can we increase the # to something reasonable? Let's say 20? =20 May I ask, is everyone in the discussion registered for the list? If so= ,
Hi Doron, =20 On 11/26/2012 04:41 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote: perhaps you can avoid including them all in the "To:" or "CC:" lines? =20 20 people CCed is a lot for a mailing list. 10 sounds much more reasonable to me. =20 We can also change the mailing list rules to remove members of the list=
from the CC list of emails you get - this should ensure that only peopl= e who are not subscribed to the list stay CCed.
Ooh, I didn't know Mailman would do that, that's a great idea. (I always like to remove all the extra recipients, but sometimes you don't know who is on the list or not.) What setting is that? - Karsten --=20 Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Analyst - Community Growth http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41 --------------enigEFF765A2FBFD8E94875A48E1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFQs5EQ2ZIOBq0ODEERAhEYAJ42+b4/7RrppmIxtTvgl4YgkI5ZewCfXqLH wpo/WhgJFq9WmCrY9HYfr0o= =Fv2s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEFF765A2FBFD8E94875A48E1--
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From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:56:00 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Your message to Arch awaits moderator approval
On 11/26/2012 07:51 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi Doron,
On 11/26/2012 04:41 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
I've been getting this too much lately...
Currently I'm having a discussion with ~9 people. Is this reason really needed? If so, can we increase the # to something reasonable? Let's say 20?
May I ask, is everyone in the discussion registered for the list? If so, perhaps you can avoid including them all in the "To:" or "CC:" lines?
20 people CCed is a lot for a mailing list. 10 sounds much more reasonable to me.
We can also change the mailing list rules to remove members of the list from the CC list of emails you get - this should ensure that only people who are not subscribed to the list stay CCed.
Dave, that's a good question, which I thought of before writing my initial mail. The simple answer is: "I don't know for sure". Actually is there a way for me to list the members of a specific list? I know there are many users in subscribed to relevant lists (for vdsm, infra, etc), but removing one or more from a thread can actually become an insult. So as a habit I really prefer to avoid it. I really hope that 10 recipients along with mailman removing redundancy will do the trick.
Ooh, I didn't know Mailman would do that, that's a great idea. (I always like to remove all the extra recipients, but sometimes you don't know who is on the list or not.)
+20
What setting is that?
- Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Analyst - Community Growth http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41
Hi, On 11/26/2012 05:09 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
Dave, that's a good question, which I thought of before writing my initial mail. The simple answer is: "I don't know for sure". Actually is there a way for me to list the members of a specific list?
Only for admins, I'm afraid.
I know there are many users in subscribed to relevant lists (for vdsm, infra, etc), but removing one or more from a thread can actually become an insult. So as a habit I really prefer to avoid it.
I really hope that 10 recipients along with mailman removing redundancy will do the trick.
Actually, Karsten already upped the limit to 20, so the question is moot.
Ooh, I didn't know Mailman would do that, that's a great idea. (I always like to remove all the extra recipients, but sometimes you don't know who is on the list or not.)
This is a per-user setting - "Avoid duplicate emails". I imagine that the option was set to false by default (I always set it to true). This has a double effect - if someone sends an email to the mailing list with you CCed, you only get the email once, and your address is removed from the CC list. It's not possible for us to change the option for everyone without hacking the database, but anyone who would like to have this option on can change it themselves on the listinfo page (and if you check "Change globally", it will be set for all lists on the server at the same time). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13
This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA552C445F3625723E88853D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/26/2012 10:08 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi, =20 On 11/26/2012 05:09 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
Dave, that's a good question, which I thought of before writing my initial mail. The simple answer is: "I don't know for sure". Actually is there a way=
for me to list the members of a specific list? =20 Only for admins, I'm afraid.
That is true for using the CLI tools, but I think all the lists use the default Mailman setting for "private_roster" of "List members", meaning if you are a member of the list you can see the roster. It then shows you the list users in alphabetical groupings. For those with sudo access to lists.ovirt.org, you can run: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members $LISTNAME
I know there are many users in subscribed to relevant lists (for vdsm,=
infra, etc), but removing one or more from a thread can actually become an insult. So as a habit I really prefer to avoid it.
I really hope that 10 recipients along with mailman removing redundanc= y will do the trick. =20 Actually, Karsten already upped the limit to 20, so the question is moo= t.
Yeah, I don't disagree with you that 10 should be reasonable, but we've got a cross-list situation where this is going to keep happening, I think. It's good we've segmented development discussions properly, but it means cross-posting happens, the recipient list grows, and I'm not going to get in a minor skirmish with everyone to get them to trim the recipient fields. :)
Ooh, I didn't know Mailman would do that, that's a great idea. (I always like to remove all the extra recipients, but sometimes you don't know=
who is on the list or not.) =20 This is a per-user setting - "Avoid duplicate emails". I imagine that the option was set to false by default (I always set it to true). This has a double effect - if someone sends an email to the mailing list wit= h you CCed, you only get the email once, and your address is removed from=
the CC list.
I haven't made tweaking that setting part of the standard settings for anything, but maybe it should be. http://wiki.ovirt.org/wiki/Creating_and_configuring_mailing_lists
It's not possible for us to change the option for everyone without hacking the database, but anyone who would like to have this option on can change it themselves on the listinfo page (and if you check "Change=
globally", it will be set for all lists on the server at the same time)= =2E
I'd be OK with us hacking the database; IIRC it's not that big a deal, if it really helps. I reckon we should ask people. We can also change our standard so new users get the new standard. Any reasons for or against this? - Karsten --=20 Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Analyst - Community Growth http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41 --------------enigA552C445F3625723E88853D3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFQs8DN2ZIOBq0ODEERAqdMAJwM5fl0mSfedU+1lNVoZBVsrGztWQCfSko2 hnBhaSupFgkltUUSgXeAF1Y= =Sf+M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA552C445F3625723E88853D3--
On 26/11/12 17:51, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi Doron,
On 11/26/2012 04:41 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
I've been getting this too much lately...
Currently I'm having a discussion with ~9 people. Is this reason really needed? If so, can we increase the # to something reasonable? Let's say 20?
May I ask, is everyone in the discussion registered for the list? If so, perhaps you can avoid including them all in the "To:" or "CC:" lines?
20 people CCed is a lot for a mailing list. 10 sounds much more reasonable to me.
We can also change the mailing list rules to remove members of the list from the CC list of emails you get - this should ensure that only people who are not subscribed to the list stay CCed.
I personally don't read all the lists I'm registered to in the same frequency. If someone is adding my name in the cc list I leave it in my inbox instead of a secondary folder (by list) and I usually get to handle it faster. I manage my rules to avoid duplications, so I keep only one copy for any mail. So for example if I reply on a certain thread, I would most likely get the rest of the thread to my inbox, unless someone removed me from the cc :(. Livnat
Cheers, Dave.
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From: "Livnat Peer" <lpeer@redhat.com> To: "Dave Neary" <dneary@redhat.com> Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com>, "infra" <infra@ovirt.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:54:45 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Your message to Arch awaits moderator approval
On 26/11/12 17:51, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi Doron,
On 11/26/2012 04:41 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
I've been getting this too much lately...
Currently I'm having a discussion with ~9 people. Is this reason really needed? If so, can we increase the # to something reasonable? Let's say 20?
May I ask, is everyone in the discussion registered for the list? If so, perhaps you can avoid including them all in the "To:" or "CC:" lines?
20 people CCed is a lot for a mailing list. 10 sounds much more reasonable to me.
We can also change the mailing list rules to remove members of the list from the CC list of emails you get - this should ensure that only people who are not subscribed to the list stay CCed.
I personally don't read all the lists I'm registered to in the same frequency. If someone is adding my name in the cc list I leave it in my inbox instead of a secondary folder (by list) and I usually get to handle it faster. I manage my rules to avoid duplications, so I keep only one copy for any mail.
So for example if I reply on a certain thread, I would most likely get the rest of the thread to my inbox, unless someone removed me from the cc :(.
Livnat
Cheers, Dave.
Actually in some cases I share Livnat's procedure. One more thing WRT subscribers' list, I just noticed the following in the web UI, which means I can't really tell if a specific recipient is subscribed to a specific list; " Conceal yourself from subscriber list? When someone views the list membership, your email address is normally shown (in an obscured fashion to thwart spam harvesters). If you do not want your email address to show up on this membership roster at all, select Yes for this option. " Anyway, Karsten & Dave- thanks for the effort and good will! Doron
On 11/26/2012 10:51 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi Doron,
On 11/26/2012 04:41 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
I've been getting this too much lately...
Currently I'm having a discussion with ~9 people. Is this reason really needed? If so, can we increase the # to something reasonable? Let's say 20?
May I ask, is everyone in the discussion registered for the list? If so, perhaps you can avoid including them all in the "To:" or "CC:" lines?
20 people CCed is a lot for a mailing list. 10 sounds much more reasonable to me.
I see no reason for such a restriction. we increased it a long time ago for other lists that encountered this issue.
We can also change the mailing list rules to remove members of the list from the CC list of emails you get - this should ensure that only people who are not subscribed to the list stay CCed.
-1 from me. if someone cc'd me, i'd like to get this directly to my mailbox rather than to the mailing list folder.
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