Hi Guys, I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. The mailing list with its quotes is not easy to read, I myself prefer a forum and I think a lot of people with me. A forum could be spillted in several different subjects ea: ovirt-enige, ovrit-node, networking, storage etc etc. Also a forum is much easier to browse (imho) than the mailing list. If you guys agree I can setup and host an (opensource php based) forum for free, at first running alongside the mailing list as a pilot. What do you guys think about this? Thanks for your comments, Barry Kostjens.
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
This is what Doron said about it: The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today. Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp" <hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
On 05/08/2012 06:20 PM, Eli Mesika wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp" <hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
+1 - not sure it should replace the mailing list.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:39:42 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
On 05/08/2012 06:20 PM, Eli Mesika wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp" <hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
+1 - not sure it should replace the mailing list.
Typically: Users prefer to ask questions and browser on a forum, look through old answers, etc. Developers tend to work on mailing lists, asking a developer to go looking for questions to answer in a forum won't work. Forum sounds great only if we can get it bridged to a mailing list
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
On 05/08/2012 06:41 PM, Andrew Cathrow wrote: ...
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list. +1 - not sure it should replace the mailing list.
Typically: Users prefer to ask questions and browser on a forum, look through old answers, etc. Developers tend to work on mailing lists, asking a developer to go looking for questions to answer in a forum won't work.
Forum sounds great only if we can get it bridged to a mailing list
indeed. I know i wouldn't be reviewing a forum, or able to reply to it if it requires online access, and not consumable via the mail client. so +1 to a forum, iff the mailing list remains viable.
On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 23:59 +0300, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 05/08/2012 06:41 PM, Andrew Cathrow wrote: ...
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list. +1 - not sure it should replace the mailing list.
Typically: Users prefer to ask questions and browser on a forum, look through old answers, etc. Developers tend to work on mailing lists, asking a developer to go looking for questions to answer in a forum won't work.
Forum sounds great only if we can get it bridged to a mailing list
indeed. I know i wouldn't be reviewing a forum, or able to reply to it if it requires online access, and not consumable via the mail client.
so +1 to a forum, iff the mailing list remains viable.
Same goes for me. I'm much more likely to see issues if they're on a mailing list rather than a forum. I think moving to forums can only happen if we have a mailing list plugin as well. Mike
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
Any more opinions? Dunno how many people there are on this list? Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika <emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp" <hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads. Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-) Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika <emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp" <hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
I was thinking about MyBB. It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'. You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika <emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp" <hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: > I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt > forum > pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim@redhat.com> To: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> Cc: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo@redhat.com>, "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl>, infra@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:06:21 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Seems that it has plug-in for posting via email (the other way is trivially supported) http://mods.mybb.com/view/post-via-email
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
> > Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >> forum >> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. > > Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage > and > for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email > gateways. >
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:44:57 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim@redhat.com> To: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> Cc: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo@redhat.com>, "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl>, infra@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:06:21 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Seems that it has plug-in for posting via email (the other way is trivially supported) http://mods.mybb.com/view/post-via-email
also found this nice forum comperator if you want to compare myBB with any other open source forum software it is very easy to see all forum software features at once (I had tried several and myBB had the best rank) http://www.forum-software.org/forum-comparator
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> > To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> > Cc: infra@ovirt.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM > Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot > > This is what Doron said about it: > > The thing is, it creates duplication. > So people wither use both the list and the forum, > or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to > cross-reference > the lists and the forums... > Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to > monitor > the > various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
> > > Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende > geschreven: > >> >> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >>> forum >>> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. >> >> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline >> usage >> and >> for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email >> gateways. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Infra mailing list > Infra@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >
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On 05/10/2012 03:07 AM, Eli Mesika wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:44:57 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim@redhat.com> To: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> Cc: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo@redhat.com>, "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl>, infra@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:06:21 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Seems that it has plug-in for posting via email (the other way is trivially supported) http://mods.mybb.com/view/post-via-email
also found this nice forum comperator if you want to compare myBB with any other open source forum software it is very easy to see all forum software features at once (I had tried several and myBB had the best rank)
Nice! Btw, IIRC mybb was used for jboss forums , maybe prior to RedHat days. I really liked their forum back then (not that I have any objections to what is going on now ;) )
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> >> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> >> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM >> Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >> >> This is what Doron said about it: >> >> The thing is, it creates duplication. >> So people wither use both the list and the forum, >> or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to >> cross-reference >> the lists and the forums... >> Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to >> monitor >> the >> various channels as I try to do today. > > I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. > +1 for a forum instead of the users list. > >> >> >> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende >> geschreven: >> >>> >>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >>>> forum >>>> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. >>> >>> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline >>> usage >>> and >>> for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email >>> gateways. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Infra mailing list >> Infra@ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >> _______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:54:47 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
On 05/10/2012 03:07 AM, Eli Mesika wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eli Mesika" <emesika@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:44:57 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
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From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim@redhat.com> To: "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> Cc: "Oved Ourfalli" <ovedo@redhat.com>, "Barry Kostjens" <bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl>, infra@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:06:21 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Seems that it has plug-in for posting via email (the other way is trivially supported) http://mods.mybb.com/view/post-via-email
also found this nice forum comperator if you want to compare myBB with any other open source forum software it is very easy to see all forum software features at once (I had tried several and myBB had the best rank)
Nice! Btw, IIRC mybb was used for jboss forums , maybe prior to RedHat days. I really liked their forum back then (not that I have any objections to what is going on now ;) )
i think nabble is very popular for archving mailing lists as a forum: http://n6.nabble.com/archive-your-mailing-list.html jenkins users for e.g. http://jenkins.361315.n4.nabble.com/
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> > To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> > Cc: infra@ovirt.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM > Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot > > Any more opinions? > > Dunno how many people there are on this list? > I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
> Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> > het > volgende geschreven: > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> >>> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> >>> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >>> >>> This is what Doron said about it: >>> >>> The thing is, it creates duplication. >>> So people wither use both the list and the forum, >>> or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to >>> cross-reference >>> the lists and the forums... >>> Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to >>> monitor >>> the >>> various channels as I try to do today. >> >> I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. >> +1 for a forum instead of the users list. >> >>> >>> >>> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende >>> geschreven: >>> >>>> >>>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >>>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a >>>>> ovirt >>>>> forum >>>>> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. >>>> >>>> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline >>>> usage >>>> and >>>> for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email >>>> gateways. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Infra mailing list >>> Infra@ovirt.org >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>> > _______________________________________________ > Infra mailing list > Infra@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb). Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be really usefull. One big downside of the mail system is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post and reply on the forum would contain the whole email message including the quotes over and over again. I would suggest getting the forum up & running and use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig greatly expanded this way. Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
> > Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >> forum >> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. > > Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage > and > for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email > gateways. >
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
Any more opinions on this? Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb).
Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be really usefull. One big downside of the mail system is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post and reply on the forum would contain the whole email message including the quotes over and over again.
I would suggest getting the forum up & running and use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig greatly expanded this way.
Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> > To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> > Cc: infra@ovirt.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM > Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot > > This is what Doron said about it: > > The thing is, it creates duplication. > So people wither use both the list and the forum, > or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to > cross-reference > the lists and the forums... > Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor > the > various channels as I try to do today.
I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users list.
> > > Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende > geschreven: > >> >> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >>> forum >>> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. >> >> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage >> and >> for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email >> gateways. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Infra mailing list > Infra@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/11/2012 05:43 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Any more opinions on this?
Some thoughts, maybe opinions. :) Aside from the usual "we will need moderators", there would be a need to manage mailing list interaction if it's not automatic. Someone would need to carry over threads to the mailing list to get the attention of an answerer (to join or notice the forum thread,) or just get the answer and carry it back over to the forum. I think you are correct in that a project with a web forum interface is attractive to users who prefer forums (and there are lots of them); answers are easier to find; and other good benefits. Thanks for standing up and being willing to make this happen. I think it's important for oVirt forums to be on the *.ovirt.org domain. We can accomplish this technically under your suggestion, with a server you (and others?) run at e.g. forums.ovirt.org. Doing that could be really cool. Part of that commitment would be in working with the Infrastructure team here. We want to all share expertise and skills to create web services for oVirt that are safe, secure, and easy to use. One other thing to consider is waiting for the web interface improvements to Mailman. That let's us build on our existing systems and doesn't risk attention split and confusion. However, it means waiting until we can at least run the beta code from Mailman. There are going to be a bunch of improvements to Mailman that are going to provide a true web front-end for it. You can see MáirÃn's design thoughts in these posts[1]: http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2012/02/29/7750-pixels-of-mailing-list-thread/ http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2012/03/13/mailman-brainstorm/ http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2012/03/14/mailman-brainstorm-2/ Some of that work is going to happen over this summer in a Google Summer of Code project, and some will happen alongside/beyond that. If we're interested, I know the GSoC mentors and maybe we can arrange to be direct participants in using the new code as it's being built. - - Karsten [1] Entire category: http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/category/fedora/mailing-list-improvements/ - -- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener team: Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership uri: http://communityleadershipteam.org http://TheOpenSourceWay.org gpg: AD0E0C41 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFPrdsn2ZIOBq0ODEERAilFAJ9oomiu7TybIbREboekHUaG6ZgCtACgw5Zp wZTPtdC4vgqqiEyQoX4Egek= =IyO2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I would open a feature page, and then put a pilot together and try out a few options. Carl. On 05/11/2012 08:43 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Any more opinions on this?
Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb).
Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be really usefull. One big downside of the mail system is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post and reply on the forum would contain the whole email message including the quotes over and over again.
I would suggest getting the forum up & running and use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig greatly expanded this way.
Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
> > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> >> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> >> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM >> Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >> >> This is what Doron said about it: >> >> The thing is, it creates duplication. >> So people wither use both the list and the forum, >> or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to >> cross-reference >> the lists and the forums... >> Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor >> the >> various channels as I try to do today. > I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. > +1 for a forum instead of the users list. > >> >> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende >> geschreven: >> >>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >>>> forum >>>> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. >>> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage >>> and >>> for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email >>> gateways. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Infra mailing list >> Infra@ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >> _______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
Anyone? I still really do feel like it would be a great addition for the community. Op 11 mei 2012, om 14:43 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
Any more opinions on this?
Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb).
Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be really usefull. One big downside of the mail system is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post and reply on the forum would contain the whole email message including the quotes over and over again.
I would suggest getting the forum up & running and use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig greatly expanded this way.
Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot
Any more opinions?
Dunno how many people there are on this list?
I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende geschreven:
> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> >> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> >> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM >> Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >> >> This is what Doron said about it: >> >> The thing is, it creates duplication. >> So people wither use both the list and the forum, >> or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to >> cross-reference >> the lists and the forums... >> Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor >> the >> various channels as I try to do today. > > I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. > +1 for a forum instead of the users list. > >> >> >> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende >> geschreven: >> >>> >>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >>>> forum >>>> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. >>> >>> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage >>> and >>> for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email >>> gateways. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Infra mailing list >> Infra@ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >> _______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
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On 05/15/2012 09:45 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Anyone?
I thought karsten summarized this nicely. http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2012-May/000362.html i think the consensus was forum would be great, but would either need a two-way bridge to mailing list, or a pilot with someone acting as a liaison forwarding information between the forum and the mailing list. also, there is the possibility mailman will have this option built it later which is worth promoting / waiting for if will be available soon.
I still really do feel like it would be a great addition for the community.
Op 11 mei 2012, om 14:43 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
Any more opinions on this?
Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb).
Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be really usefull. One big downside of the mail system is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post and reply on the forum would contain the whole email message including the quotes over and over again.
I would suggest getting the forum up& running and use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig greatly expanded this way.
Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> > To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> > Cc: infra@ovirt.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM > Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot > > Any more opinions? > > Dunno how many people there are on this list? > I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads.
Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-)
Oved
> Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het > volgende geschreven: > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> >>> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> >>> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >>> >>> This is what Doron said about it: >>> >>> The thing is, it creates duplication. >>> So people wither use both the list and the forum, >>> or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to >>> cross-reference >>> the lists and the forums... >>> Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor >>> the >>> various channels as I try to do today. >> >> I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. >> +1 for a forum instead of the users list. >> >>> >>> >>> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende >>> geschreven: >>> >>>> >>>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >>>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >>>>> forum >>>>> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. >>>> >>>> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage >>>> and >>>> for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email >>>> gateways. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Infra mailing list >>> Infra@ovirt.org >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>> > _______________________________________________ > Infra mailing list > Infra@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
Does anyone maybe have a link to the option in mailman that is being talked about? Thanks :) Op 15 mei 2012, om 09:44 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/15/2012 09:45 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Anyone?
I thought karsten summarized this nicely. http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2012-May/000362.html
i think the consensus was forum would be great, but would either need a two-way bridge to mailing list, or a pilot with someone acting as a liaison forwarding information between the forum and the mailing list. also, there is the possibility mailman will have this option built it later which is worth promoting / waiting for if will be available soon.
I still really do feel like it would be a great addition for the community.
Op 11 mei 2012, om 14:43 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
Any more opinions on this?
Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb).
Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be really usefull. One big downside of the mail system is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post and reply on the forum would contain the whole email message including the quotes over and over again.
I would suggest getting the forum up& running and use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig greatly expanded this way.
Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
I was thinking about MyBB.
It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best answer'.
You can have a look at it here: http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het volgende geschreven:
> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> >> To: "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> >> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM >> Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >> >> Any more opinions? >> >> Dunno how many people there are on this list? >> > I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. > The problem with a forum is that we should make sure we poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. > Also, some forums give you score and titles on participation and help you give other users, so this could also be a motivation for users to help one another. > Some forums also give the ability to set threads as "answered", and what the answer is, and that's also important as you can sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail threads. > > Didn't get a chance to take a look at the implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the winner :-) > > Oved > >> Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het >> volgende geschreven: >> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> >>>> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> >>>> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 5:57:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >>>> >>>> This is what Doron said about it: >>>> >>>> The thing is, it creates duplication. >>>> So people wither use both the list and the forum, >>>> or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to >>>> cross-reference >>>> the lists and the forums... >>>> Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor >>>> the >>>> various channels as I try to do today. >>> >>> I think that forum for this purpose is much friendly. >>> +1 for a forum instead of the users list. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende >>>> geschreven: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens: >>>>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt >>>>>> forum >>>>>> pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. >>>>> >>>>> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage >>>>> and >>>>> for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email >>>>> gateways. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Infra mailing list >>>> Infra@ovirt.org >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Infra mailing list >> Infra@ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/15/2012 12:46 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Does anyone maybe have a link to the option in mailman that is being talked about?
Here is the Google Summer of Code project page: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2012/syst3mw0rm/31001 After reading up on the mockups behind that work, I wrote this summary post: http://iquaid.org/2012/05/14/mailing-list-web-interface-magic/ Thanks again for not only caring about this problem, but for being willing to help fix it. Do you want to work with me (and anyone else interested) on trying out the Mailman changes as they come live? We could put up a development environment that pulls in the nightly Mailman so we could try out features as they are developed, maybe even help make it all better. :) - - Karsten
Thanks :)
Op 15 mei 2012, om 09:44 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/15/2012 09:45 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Anyone?
I thought karsten summarized this nicely. http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2012-May/000362.html
i think the consensus was forum would be great, but would either need a two-way bridge to mailing list, or a pilot with someone acting as a liaison forwarding information between the forum and the mailing list. also, there is the possibility mailman will have this option built it later which is worth promoting / waiting for if will be available soon.
I still really do feel like it would be a great addition for the community.
Op 11 mei 2012, om 14:43 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
Any more opinions on this?
Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb).
Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be really usefull. One big downside of the mail system is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post and reply on the forum would contain the whole email message including the quotes over and over again.
I would suggest getting the forum up& running and use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig greatly expanded this way.
Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote: > I was thinking about MyBB. > > It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered > / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best > answer'. > > You can have a look at it here: > http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport
I think the only issue raised around this is "does it work two-way with emails"?
> > > Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het > volgende geschreven: > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barry >>> Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli >>> Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: >>> Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >>> >>> Any more opinions? >>> >>> Dunno how many people there are on this list? >>> >> I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The >> problem with a forum is that we should make sure we >> poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as >> people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as >> they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score >> and titles on participation and help you give other >> users, so this could also be a motivation for users >> to help one another. Some forums also give the >> ability to set threads as "answered", and what the >> answer is, and that's also important as you can >> sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail >> threads. >> >> Didn't get a chance to take a look at the >> implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option >> that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the >> winner :-) >> >> Oved >> >>> Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli >>> Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende >>> geschreven: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> >>>>> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: >>>>> infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 >>>>> 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >>>>> >>>>> This is what Doron said about it: >>>>> >>>>> The thing is, it creates duplication. So people >>>>> wither use both the list and the forum, or >>>>> randomly selects one. Then you get people >>>>> trying to cross-reference the lists and the >>>>> forums... Now once we get into this state, >>>>> it'll be impossible to monitor the various >>>>> channels as I try to do today. >>>> >>>> I think that forum for this purpose is much >>>> friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users >>>> list. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het >>>>> volgende geschreven: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry >>>>>> Kostjens: >>>>>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for >>>>>>> setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might >>>>>>> deprecate the users list in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect >>>>>> for offline usage and for (some) forums there >>>>>> exist bi-directional email gateways. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>
Infra mailing list
>>>>> Infra@ovirt.org >>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>> > > _______________________________________________ Infra > mailing list Infra@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
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Thanks for your reply. I surely would like to help here. I can provide a linux server (VM) that we can use to test the mailman / mybb combo. Only thing needed (or not needed, but would be nice) is to have an A record (fa dev.ovirt.org) pointing to the ip address of the dev server. Let me know if this is acceptable and I'll setup the vm.
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On 05/15/2012 12:46 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Does anyone maybe have a link to the option in mailman that is being talked about?
Here is the Google Summer of Code project page:
https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2012/syst3mw0rm/31001
After reading up on the mockups behind that work, I wrote this summary post:
http://iquaid.org/2012/05/14/mailing-list-web-interface-magic/
Thanks again for not only caring about this problem, but for being willing to help fix it.
Do you want to work with me (and anyone else interested) on trying out the Mailman changes as they come live? We could put up a development environment that pulls in the nightly Mailman so we could try out features as they are developed, maybe even help make it all better. :)
- - Karsten
Thanks :)
Op 15 mei 2012, om 09:44 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/15/2012 09:45 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Anyone?
I thought karsten summarized this nicely. http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2012-May/000362.html
i think the consensus was forum would be great, but would either need a two-way bridge to mailing list, or a pilot with someone acting as a liaison forwarding information between the forum and the mailing list. also, there is the possibility mailman will have this option built it later which is worth promoting / waiting for if will be available soon.
I still really do feel like it would be a great addition for the community.
Op 11 mei 2012, om 14:43 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
Any more opinions on this?
Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb).
Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be really usefull. One big downside of the mail system is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post and reply on the forum would contain the whole email message including the quotes over and over again.
I would suggest getting the forum up& running and use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig greatly expanded this way.
Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
> On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote: >> I was thinking about MyBB. >> >> It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread answered >> / solved' function, and it also lets you set a 'best >> answer'. >> >> You can have a look at it here: >> http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport > > I think the only issue raised around this is "does it > work two-way with emails"? > >> >> >> Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het >> volgende geschreven: >> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Barry >>>> Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: "Eli >>>> Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:39:19 AM Subject: >>>> Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >>>> >>>> Any more opinions? >>>> >>>> Dunno how many people there are on this list? >>>> >>> I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail gateways. The >>> problem with a forum is that we should make sure we >>> poll it frequently, and provide fast answers, as >>> people tend to be more patient on mailing lists as >>> they are on forums. Also, some forums give you score >>> and titles on participation and help you give other >>> users, so this could also be a motivation for users >>> to help one another. Some forums also give the >>> ability to set threads as "answered", and what the >>> answer is, and that's also important as you can >>> sometimes get lost in the information on long E-mail >>> threads. >>> >>> Didn't get a chance to take a look at the >>> implementation suggestions below, but IMO an option >>> that gives the abilities mentioned above will be the >>> winner :-) >>> >>> Oved >>> >>>> Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli >>>> Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende >>>> geschreven: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Barry Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> >>>>>> To: "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: >>>>>> infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 >>>>>> 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >>>>>> >>>>>> This is what Doron said about it: >>>>>> >>>>>> The thing is, it creates duplication. So people >>>>>> wither use both the list and the forum, or >>>>>> randomly selects one. Then you get people >>>>>> trying to cross-reference the lists and the >>>>>> forums... Now once we get into this state, >>>>>> it'll be impossible to monitor the various >>>>>> channels as I try to do today. >>>>> >>>>> I think that forum for this purpose is much >>>>> friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the users >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het >>>>>> volgende geschreven: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry >>>>>>> Kostjens: >>>>>>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for >>>>>>>> setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might >>>>>>>> deprecate the users list in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect >>>>>>> for offline usage and for (some) forums there >>>>>>> exist bi-directional email gateways. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>>
Infra mailing list
>>>>>> Infra@ovirt.org >>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ Infra >> mailing list Infra@ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/21/2012 12:15 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Thanks for your reply.
I surely would like to help here. I can provide a linux server (VM) that we can use to test the mailman / mybb combo.
Sounds great. (The caveat being, I don't see a specific situation of Mailman plus MyBB being proposed. The Mailman work is all part of the Mailman 3.0 release. Or are you using mybb as a reference for the concept of a forum rather than a specific tool?)
Only thing needed (or not needed, but would be nice) is to have an A record (fa dev.ovirt.org) pointing to the ip address of the dev server.
Agreed.
Let me know if this is acceptable and I'll setup the vm.
I don't see any problem in general with that idea so +1. Any other thoughts from anyone else? One thing we can chat about is to help with standards and security for a few reasons. One is, many minds helps prevent cracked websites. :) Another is, you can share the setup and maintenance burden with others. Let us know what you think, and what IP address you've got so I can start the DNS change request (Red Hat IT handles DNS for us right now.) - - Karsten
On 05/15/2012 12:46 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Does anyone maybe have a link to the option in mailman that is being talked about?
Here is the Google Summer of Code project page:
https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2012/syst3mw0rm/31001
After reading up on the mockups behind that work, I wrote this
summary post:
http://iquaid.org/2012/05/14/mailing-list-web-interface-magic/
Thanks again for not only caring about this problem, but for being willing to help fix it.
Do you want to work with me (and anyone else interested) on trying out the Mailman changes as they come live? We could put up a development environment that pulls in the nightly Mailman so we could try out features as they are developed, maybe even help make it all better. :)
- Karsten
Thanks :)
Op 15 mei 2012, om 09:44 heeft Itamar Heim het volgende geschreven:
On 05/15/2012 09:45 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Anyone?
I thought karsten summarized this nicely. http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2012-May/000362.html
i think the consensus was forum would be great, but would either need a two-way bridge to mailing list, or a pilot with someone acting as a liaison forwarding information between the forum and the mailing list. also, there is the possibility mailman will have this option built it later which is worth promoting / waiting for if will be available soon.
I still really do feel like it would be a great addition for the community.
Op 11 mei 2012, om 14:43 heeft Barry Kostjens het volgende geschreven:
> Any more opinions on this? > > > Op 10 mei 2012, om 09:06 heeft Barry Kostjens het > volgende geschreven: > >> I have been searching for a gateway mod, but such >> thing does not exits (at least, not for mybb). >> >> Also my personal opinion is that it wouldn't be >> really usefull. One big downside of the mail system >> is that every mail contains all quotes. So every post >> and reply on the forum would contain the whole email >> message including the quotes over and over again. >> >> I would suggest getting the forum up& running and >> use it as a pilot. I really think that you will get >> a bigger community, as visibility on the net ig >> greatly expanded this way. >> >> Op 9 mei 2012, om 23:06 heeft Itamar Heim het >> volgende geschreven: >> >>> On 05/09/2012 05:49 PM, Barry Kostjens wrote: >>>> I was thinking about MyBB. >>>> >>>> It has a 'mysupport' mod that adds the 'thread >>>> answered / solved' function, and it also lets >>>> you set a 'best answer'. >>>> >>>> You can have a look at it here: >>>> http://mods.mybb.com/view/mysupport >>> >>> I think the only issue raised around this is "does >>> it work two-way with emails"? >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Op 9 mei 2012, om 16:44 heeft Oved Ourfalli het >>>> volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Barry >>>>>> Kostjens"<bkostjens@internetlimburg.nl> To: >>>>>> "Eli Mesika"<emesika@redhat.com> Cc: >>>>>> infra@ovirt.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 >>>>>> 8:39:19 AM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum Pilot >>>>>> >>>>>> Any more opinions? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dunno how many people there are on this >>>>>> list? >>>>>> >>>>> I love the idea of a forum, with E-mail >>>>> gateways. The problem with a forum is that we >>>>> should make sure we poll it frequently, and >>>>> provide fast answers, as people tend to be more >>>>> patient on mailing lists as they are on forums. >>>>> Also, some forums give you score and titles on >>>>> participation and help you give other users, so >>>>> this could also be a motivation for users to >>>>> help one another. Some forums also give the >>>>> ability to set threads as "answered", and what >>>>> the answer is, and that's also important as you >>>>> can sometimes get lost in the information on >>>>> long E-mail threads. >>>>> >>>>> Didn't get a chance to take a look at the >>>>> implementation suggestions below, but IMO an >>>>> option that gives the abilities mentioned >>>>> above will be the winner :-) >>>>> >>>>> Oved >>>>> >>>>>> Op 8 mei 2012 om 17:20 heeft Eli >>>>>> Mesika<emesika@redhat.com> het volgende >>>>>> geschreven: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Barry >>>>>>>> Kostjens"<bkostjens@ilimburg.nl> To: >>>>>>>> "Heiko W.Rupp"<hrupp@redhat.com> Cc: >>>>>>>> infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, >>>>>>>> 2012 5:57:10 PM Subject: Re: oVirt Forum >>>>>>>> Pilot >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is what Doron said about it: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The thing is, it creates duplication. So >>>>>>>> people wither use both the list and the >>>>>>>> forum, or randomly selects one. Then you >>>>>>>> get people trying to cross-reference the >>>>>>>> lists and the forums... Now once we get >>>>>>>> into this state, it'll be impossible to >>>>>>>> monitor the various channels as I try to >>>>>>>> do today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that forum for this purpose is much >>>>>>> friendly. +1 for a forum instead of the >>>>>>> users list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko >>>>>>>> W.Rupp het volgende geschreven: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry >>>>>>>>> Kostjens: >>>>>>>>>> I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck >>>>>>>>>> for setting up a ovirt forum pilot >>>>>>>>>> which might deprecate the users list >>>>>>>>>> in the future. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why not have both? A mailing list is >>>>>>>>> perfect for offline usage and for >>>>>>>>> (some) forums there exist >>>>>>>>> bi-directional email gateways. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Infra mailing list >>>>>>>> Infra@ovirt.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org >>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra >>> >> >
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I like the idea of Forums. I know some teams have created patches to mailman so it will post all thread on the list to the forum and visa versa, so you can pick your interface. Statistically forums get more traffic and are better for users, so if we picked one, moving to forums would get my vote. doing the mailmain forum hookup might also be worth exploring. Carl. On 05/08/2012 10:57 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
On Tue 08 May 2012 01:23:16 PM PDT, Carl Trieloff wrote:
It's also worth considering a stack overflow-type application. I find forums an inconvenient way to find information, and I like the way the stack overflow model bubbles up worthwhile content. Fedora has a site like this that runs on open source software: http://ask.fedoraproject.org/questions/.
I like the idea of Forums. I know some teams have created patches to mailman so it will post all thread on the list to the forum and visa versa, so you can pick your interface.
Statistically forums get more traffic and are better for users, so if we picked one, moving to forums would get my vote. doing the mailmain forum hookup might also be worth exploring.
Carl.
On 05/08/2012 10:57 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
This is what Doron said about it:
The thing is, it creates duplication. So people wither use both the list and the forum, or randomly selects one. Then you get people trying to cross-reference the lists and the forums... Now once we get into this state, it'll be impossible to monitor the various channels as I try to do today.
Op 8 mei 2012, om 16:54 heeft Heiko W.Rupp het volgende geschreven:
Am 08.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Barry Kostjens:
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future. Why not have both? A mailing list is perfect for offline usage and for (some) forums there exist bi-directional email gateways.
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
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On 05/08/2012 04:32 PM, Jason Brooks wrote:
It's also worth considering a stack overflow-type application. I find forums an inconvenient way to find information, and I like the way the stack overflow model bubbles up worthwhile content.
Fedora has a site like this that runs on open source software: http://ask.fedoraproject.org/questions/.
what would it take to host this for oVirt, seems like a really nice solution. Carl.
On Tue 08 May 2012 01:33:25 PM PDT, Carl Trieloff wrote:
On 05/08/2012 04:32 PM, Jason Brooks wrote:
It's also worth considering a stack overflow-type application. I find forums an inconvenient way to find information, and I like the way the stack overflow model bubbles up worthwhile content.
Fedora has a site like this that runs on open source software: http://ask.fedoraproject.org/questions/.
what would it take to host this for oVirt, seems like a really nice solution.
It's a django app -- it should run on openshift. I'll take a further look.
Carl.
-- Jason Brooks Media & Communications Open Source and Standards @ Red Hat identi.ca/jasonbrooks twitter.com/jasonbrooks
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/08/2012 07:32 AM, Barry Kostjens wrote:
Hi Guys,
I made a suggestion to Doron Fediuck for setting up a ovirt forum pilot which might deprecate the users list in the future.
The mailing list with its quotes is not easy to read, I myself prefer a forum and I think a lot of people with me.
A forum could be spillted in several different subjects ea: ovirt-enige, ovrit-node, networking, storage etc etc.
Also a forum is much easier to browse (imho) than the mailing list.
To summarize the discussion so far, the concern from the developers is that they won't be able to participate in a web forum. As Andrew said, this seems to be generally true across open source projects - developers prefer email and don't or won't use web forums. Forums work great for user communities where the users are self-supporting. Where users need to interact with open source developers to be successful - and that's where oVirt is *today* - it's better to be in the medium the developers prefer where they can answer questions and solve problems. Until oVirt is at the point where the users can support each other effectively in a web-only forum, one idea would be to have a web-based method to post and read threads on the mailing list. This is something being worked on via a Fedora GSoC project right now, and I'm sure we'll see a final solution come from Fedora Engineering: https://fedorahosted.org/hyperkitty/ - - Karsten - -- name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Architect team: Red Hat Community Architecture & Leadership uri: http://communityleadershipteam.org http://TheOpenSourceWay.org gpg: AD0E0C41 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFPqY3u2ZIOBq0ODEERAmBOAKCURDwA9fr6fIwvTFA7QRuQreutIQCcC4Fv 3hSyKVSQ0amAEb4uMvskDxY= =W9hB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
participants (13)
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Andrew Cathrow -
Barry Kostjens -
Barry Kostjens -
Carl Trieloff -
Eli Mesika -
Eyal Edri -
Heiko W.Rupp -
Itamar Heim -
Jason Brooks -
Karsten 'quaid' Wade -
Mike Burns -
Oved Ourfalli -
Yair Zaslavsky