Hi all, I updated the "Joining the infra team" wiki page earlier todday with my ubnderstanding of what was discussed and agreed several months ago. Please have a look and review it (and edit it in place), as it's entirely possible I've forgotten important things there. http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructure_team_member Thanks! Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13
This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2GJNHGSVOCTFFKLKKEKVU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/06/2013 01:26 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi all, =20 I updated the "Joining the infra team" wiki page earlier todday with my=
ubnderstanding of what was discussed and agreed several months ago. Please have a look and review it (and edit it in place), as it's entirely possible I've forgotten important things there. http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructure_team_member
Great, thanks. I just threw in some changes and additions, let me know what you think. Mainly I wanted to give more stuff to do as an apprentice= =2E One thing that isn't addressed is the final step, which I briefly touched upon in my update. How do we want to handle proposing that apprentices move to maintainership? Just when it occurs to us? On a quarterly basis? When someone asks for the switch and it's obviously time to do it? In that vein, how do I propose that Alexander Rydekull and Dave Neary be pulled from apprentice to maintainer? Presuming they also feel ready, etc= =2E Moran, are you still active and interested? I've lost track of who on the team from Red Hat Engineering is working on Infrastucture bits quietly ... - Karsten --=20 Karsten 'quaid' Wade http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41 ------enig2GJNHGSVOCTFFKLKKEKVU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFRiBuf2ZIOBq0ODEERAl8NAJsFmboitf0aLrzzG55HIqspVVJ0BACcCF+C 8tLJswquf26hjHBdwwtXFVA= =X0aQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2GJNHGSVOCTFFKLKKEKVU--
We need to update this page - http://www.ovirt.org/Infrastructure_team_administrators 1. rmiddle - is not active anymore 2. oschreib - is not maintaining infra 3. Need to add obasan as apprentice. Ohad, please post your ssh pub key. - Kiril ----- Original Message -----
From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:07:43 AM Subject: Re: Joining Infra team
On 05/06/2013 01:26 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi all,
I updated the "Joining the infra team" wiki page earlier todday with my ubnderstanding of what was discussed and agreed several months ago. Please have a look and review it (and edit it in place), as it's entirely possible I've forgotten important things there. http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructure_team_member
Great, thanks. I just threw in some changes and additions, let me know what you think. Mainly I wanted to give more stuff to do as an apprentice.
One thing that isn't addressed is the final step, which I briefly touched upon in my update. How do we want to handle proposing that apprentices move to maintainership? Just when it occurs to us? On a quarterly basis? When someone asks for the switch and it's obviously time to do it?
In that vein, how do I propose that Alexander Rydekull and Dave Neary be pulled from apprentice to maintainer? Presuming they also feel ready, etc.
Moran, are you still active and interested? I've lost track of who on the team from Red Hat Engineering is working on Infrastucture bits quietly ...
- Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kiril Nesenko" <kiril@redhat.com> To: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade@redhat.com>, "Ohad Basan" <obasan@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:36:04 PM Subject: Re: Joining Infra team
We need to update this page - http://www.ovirt.org/Infrastructure_team_administrators 1. rmiddle - is not active anymore 2. oschreib - is not maintaining infra 3. Need to add obasan as apprentice.
Ohad, please post your ssh pub key.
ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQDUHfDVi+l1Mv/qF7oThINAmSpGtkw+Mi8kPk3m8funyj+goa/thUq6rGfk4PvToetmMVZmLFJt+eljiX01cZPzihdKRVK4OE3KfX8xDAiF93m2NhOpoPi6N3GS9q8crs5jLhV9A3ciAZaXOF3xtrffBvXVmdBKcqQUvoLQeXIMDq4/XrpP4HYPvlzEx5w2s06j1oWhthOjYm7bugwumn6VCBLo32jHRnKnqZI68Fig22KJlkt23i90gVycBOyVW2qCWBQZTxbwwXE98ujUVyvjFnr8+7H7llHchj5VpcW63I1fjXyMrgUgakzTZ2RwtByAxxgWevDXP34/P/SFYmkD obasan@redhat.com 10x
- Kiril
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:07:43 AM Subject: Re: Joining Infra team
On 05/06/2013 01:26 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi all,
I updated the "Joining the infra team" wiki page earlier todday with my ubnderstanding of what was discussed and agreed several months ago. Please have a look and review it (and edit it in place), as it's entirely possible I've forgotten important things there. http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructure_team_member
Great, thanks. I just threw in some changes and additions, let me know what you think. Mainly I wanted to give more stuff to do as an apprentice.
One thing that isn't addressed is the final step, which I briefly touched upon in my update. How do we want to handle proposing that apprentices move to maintainership? Just when it occurs to us? On a quarterly basis? When someone asks for the switch and it's obviously time to do it?
In that vein, how do I propose that Alexander Rydekull and Dave Neary be pulled from apprentice to maintainer? Presuming they also feel ready, etc.
Moran, are you still active and interested? I've lost track of who on the team from Red Hat Engineering is working on Infrastucture bits quietly ...
- Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2XWWTXRMPABTPSTAVSRCL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/07/2013 04:36 AM, Kiril Nesenko wrote:
We need to update this page - http://www.ovirt.org/Infrastructure_team_= administrators 1. rmiddle - is not active anymore
We don't have any current policy about inactivating members. Did Robert send out email saying he was no longer active, remove him as a maintainer, etc.? This page doesn't mention anything about inactivity: http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_a_maintainer It may simply be up to us to decide if we want a policy around inactivity. It seems to make sense that Infrastructure would be more strict around this - unlike code contribution under git, root access to servers can be destructive if an inactive Infra member has their key compromised, etc.
2. oschreib - is not maintaining infra
He was at one point, probably when we formed the Infra group. As above, we don't have any policy for this. If we're worried about proliferation of sshkeys with sudo access and less active Infra members, perhaps we can control specifically who has access to what rather than "everyone, everything." If someone goes inactive we can remove their sshkey access, but leave the rest (user ~/, voting privileges, etc.) I recall asking Carl Trieloff about this when he and JimJag were drafting the initial governance for oVirt. I was worried that a Board and maintainers that grew without much attrition would be unwieldy. They reassured me it worked out fine - there is no reason to retire people, if they are not active then they just stop debating and voting, but they can always come back as per the merit that got them maintainership in the first place. I haven't seen so far a reason to doubt their reasoning.=
3. Need to add obasan as apprentice.
So far it appears that new apprentices are added by suggesting of an existing maintainer. Perhaps we want to make that a more formal sponsorship arrangement? Each new apprentice needs a sponsor to help get them started, etc. Cheers - Karsten
Ohad, please post your ssh pub key.=20 =20 - Kiril =20 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:07:43 AM Subject: Re: Joining Infra team
On 05/06/2013 01:26 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi all,
I updated the "Joining the infra team" wiki page earlier todday with = my ubnderstanding of what was discussed and agreed several months ago. Please have a look and review it (and edit it in place), as it's entirely possible I've forgotten important things there. http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructure_team_member
Great, thanks. I just threw in some changes and additions, let me know=
what you think. Mainly I wanted to give more stuff to do as an apprent= ice.
One thing that isn't addressed is the final step, which I briefly touched upon in my update. How do we want to handle proposing that apprentices move to maintainership? Just when it occurs to us? On a quarterly basis? When someone asks for the switch and it's obviously time to do it?
In that vein, how do I propose that Alexander Rydekull and Dave Neary = be pulled from apprentice to maintainer? Presuming they also feel ready, = etc.
Moran, are you still active and interested? I've lost track of who on the team from Red Hat Engineering is working on Infrastucture bits quietly ...
- Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41
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--=20 Karsten 'quaid' Wade http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41 ------enig2XWWTXRMPABTPSTAVSRCL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFRiUkx2ZIOBq0ODEERAppSAJ9fvldvVo7xrR0c9n7cPPt7vwl3SQCfZscf 7PLynNNpxZsPfRfoRqiFpzo= =ynpl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2XWWTXRMPABTPSTAVSRCL--
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade@redhat.com> To: "Kiril Nesenko" <kiril@redhat.com> Cc: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:34:25 PM Subject: Re: Joining Infra team
On 05/07/2013 04:36 AM, Kiril Nesenko wrote:
We need to update this page - http://www.ovirt.org/Infrastructure_team_administrators 1. rmiddle - is not active anymore
We don't have any current policy about inactivating members. Did Robert send out email saying he was no longer active, remove him as a maintainer, etc.?
This page doesn't mention anything about inactivity:
IIUC, the above page talks about pkgs maintainers and not infra. I think we should look at http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructure_team_member
It may simply be up to us to decide if we want a policy around inactivity. It seems to make sense that Infrastructure would be more strict around this - unlike code contribution under git, root access to servers can be destructive if an inactive Infra member has their key compromised, etc.
We should have such policy for sure.
2. oschreib - is not maintaining infra
He was at one point, probably when we formed the Infra group. As above, we don't have any policy for this.
If we're worried about proliferation of sshkeys with sudo access and less active Infra members, perhaps we can control specifically who has access to what rather than "everyone, everything." If someone goes inactive we can remove their sshkey access, but leave the rest (user ~/, voting privileges, etc.)
+1
I recall asking Carl Trieloff about this when he and JimJag were drafting the initial governance for oVirt. I was worried that a Board and maintainers that grew without much attrition would be unwieldy. They reassured me it worked out fine - there is no reason to retire people, if they are not active then they just stop debating and voting, but they can always come back as per the merit that got them maintainership in the first place. I haven't seen so far a reason to doubt their reasoning.
The purpose of maintainer is to be active as much as possible and to be involved in most infra tasks/changes/designs. Maintainer needs to attend meetings in a weekly basis, etc... So if the person who was a maintainer is inactive anymore, so we should change his status - to apprentice(for example) etc... But as you mentioned, we need a policy for that. [Adding Carl]
3. Need to add obasan as apprentice.
So far it appears that new apprentices are added by suggesting of an existing maintainer. Perhaps we want to make that a more formal sponsorship arrangement? Each new apprentice needs a sponsor to help get them started, etc.
That's how it should work ! +1
Cheers - Karsten
Ohad, please post your ssh pub key.
- Kiril
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade@redhat.com> To: infra@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:07:43 AM Subject: Re: Joining Infra team
On 05/06/2013 01:26 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi all,
I updated the "Joining the infra team" wiki page earlier todday with my ubnderstanding of what was discussed and agreed several months ago. Please have a look and review it (and edit it in place), as it's entirely possible I've forgotten important things there. http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructure_team_member
Great, thanks. I just threw in some changes and additions, let me know what you think. Mainly I wanted to give more stuff to do as an apprentice.
One thing that isn't addressed is the final step, which I briefly touched upon in my update. How do we want to handle proposing that apprentices move to maintainership? Just when it occurs to us? On a quarterly basis? When someone asks for the switch and it's obviously time to do it?
In that vein, how do I propose that Alexander Rydekull and Dave Neary be pulled from apprentice to maintainer? Presuming they also feel ready, etc.
Moran, are you still active and interested? I've lost track of who on the team from Red Hat Engineering is working on Infrastucture bits quietly ...
- Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41
_______________________________________________ Infra mailing list Infra@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/infra
-- Karsten 'quaid' Wade http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2QDVNHLMPLBCIKGVPBWIR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/07/2013 11:51 AM, Kiril Nesenko wrote:
=20 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade@redhat.com>
This page doesn't mention anything about inactivity:
http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_a_maintainer =20 IIUC, the above page talks about pkgs maintainers and not infra. I think we should look at http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructu= re_team_member
Those aren't package maintainers, those are project maintainers. It's like being a maintainer in an Apache project, not like being a package maintainer in Fedora. So in the oVirt project, the maintainers are the people who are committed to one or more projects, and have been approved as maintainers by the other maintainers (or the Board for the initial maintainers.) You can maintainership through merit, and the [[Becoming a maintainer]] rules are mostly silent on how each sub-project defines merit. Regarding [[Becoming an Infrastructure team member]] is our own page that has mostly been written in the last few days by Dave Neary and myself, drawing on previous discussions. That's where we'll put the various decisions from this discussion. :) - Karsten --=20 Karsten 'quaid' Wade http://TheOpenSourceWay.org .^\ http://community.redhat.com @quaid (identi.ca/twitter/IRC) \v' gpg: AD0E0C41 ------enig2QDVNHLMPLBCIKGVPBWIR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFRiZcs2ZIOBq0ODEERAv8jAKDXbvCmElO9vRbj5VCVILlnk45LhgCg5NSS OqrAFUDuVFRBgag0iEvOm2U= =+kl4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2QDVNHLMPLBCIKGVPBWIR--
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080303080306090303050106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 05/07/2013 12:07 AM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On 05/06/2013 01:26 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi all,
I updated the "Joining the infra team" wiki page earlier todday with my ubnderstanding of what was discussed and agreed several months ago. Please have a look and review it (and edit it in place), as it's entirely possible I've forgotten important things there. http://www.ovirt.org/Becoming_an_Infrastructure_team_member Great, thanks. I just threw in some changes and additions, let me know what you think. Mainly I wanted to give more stuff to do as an apprentice.
One thing that isn't addressed is the final step, which I briefly touched upon in my update. How do we want to handle proposing that apprentices move to maintainership? Just when it occurs to us? On a quarterly basis? When someone asks for the switch and it's obviously time to do it?
In that vein, how do I propose that Alexander Rydekull and Dave Neary be pulled from apprentice to maintainer? Presuming they also feel ready, etc.
Moran, are you still active and interested? I've lost track of who on the team from Red Hat Engineering is working on Infrastucture bits quietly ...
well, unfortunately currently this wouldn't be optional to me -trying to take part on multiple fronts of oVirt. Thanks.
- Karsten
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