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Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss =
it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I=E2=80=99=
m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use =
on Desktop over Mobile!
From: FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com>
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now =
available
for testing
Date: October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
To: users(a)ovirt.org
=20
=20
On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>=20
>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? =
Because,
>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
interact =
with
>> object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>=20
> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>=20
> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its =
not
100%
> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. =
Mobile devices
> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there
would make =
no
> sense.
Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage =
is nice
to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation =
nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their =
large environments. If having both options where you can switch between =
then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. =
We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need =
that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime =
anywhere.
=20
So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty =
useful for a
day by day and real management usage because of a new trend =
or buzz stuff.
Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be =
for quite a while.
> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
ours =
and you
> can do things like copy from the menu.
> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the =
buttons/kebab
menu
> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
used =
actions as
> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
the =
interface.
> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu =
because
its
> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality
that was =
only
> available in the right click menu.
>=20
> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or =
not. For
> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
back, =
it is
> certainly possible we will put it back.
>=20
>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and =
better
>>> than before.
>>>=20
>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the =
First
>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st,
2017
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be =
used
>>>>> in production.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask
>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or =
bugs
>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This
>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one =
thousand
>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent
severity fixes, =
on
>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> *
>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned =
using
>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
application =
design.
>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive
design, for an =
improved
>>>>> user experience.
>>>>> *
>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>> *
>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added =
to the
>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration
Portal.
>>>>> *
>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch =
software
>>>>> defined networking (SDN).
>>>>> *
>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>> *
>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common
>>>>> administration tasks.
>>>>> *
>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check out =
the
>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>;.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>>> architectures for:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Additional Resources:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: =
https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>=20
>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ =
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [2] =
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt
>>>>>
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>=20
>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION =
R&D
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>=20
>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
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class=3D"">Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and =
will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, =
but I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for primary work. Please =
prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br
class=3D""><div><blockquote =
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href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" =
class=3D"">fernando.frediani(a)upx.com</a>&gt;</font></span><br
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[ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for =
testing</font></span><br class=3D"">
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href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" =
class=3D"">users(a)ovirt.org</a></font></span><br
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander
=
Wels wrote:</span><br style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; =
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font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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class=3D""><blockquote=
type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote
type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Will the right click dialog be
available in =
the final release? Because,<br class=3D"">currently in 4.2 we need to go
=
at the up right corner to interact with<br class=3D"">object (migrate, =
maintenance...)<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""></blockquote>Short answer: =
No, we removed it on purpose.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">Long answer: =
No, here are the reasons why:<br class=3D"">- We are attempting to get =
the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100%<br class=3D"">there =
yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile =
devices<br class=3D"">don't have a right click, so hiding
functionality =
in there would make no<br class=3D"">sense.<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: =
FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Please don't put mobile
usage =
over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" =
situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to =
do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both =
options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something =
should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a =
Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility =
and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br
style=3D"font-family: =
FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">So I beg you to consider well before =
remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real =
management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span
style=3D"font-family: =
FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Right click is always on popular
=
on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote
type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">- You can now right click =
and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you<br class=3D"">can do =
things like copy from the menu.<br class=3D"">- We replicated all the =
functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br =
class=3D"">available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly =
used actions as<br class=3D"">a button, and less often used actions in =
the kebab to declutter the interface.<br class=3D"">We traded an extra =
click for some mouse travel<br class=3D"">- Lots of people didn't =
realize there even was a right click menu because its<br class=3D"">a =
web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was =
only<br class=3D"">available in the right click menu.<br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good =
move or not. For<br class=3D"">now we want to see how it plays out, if a
=
lot of people want it back, it is<br class=3D"">certainly possible we =
will put it back.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"
class=3D"">that is something you =
are interested in. Its also much faster and better<br class=3D"">than =
before.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote
type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">The
oVirt Project is =
pleased to announce the availability of the First<br class=3D"">Beta =
Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">This is pre-release software. This
pre-release =
should not to be used<br class=3D"">in production.<br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to =
ask<br class=3D"">questions and interact with developers and users.All =
issues or bugs<br class=3D"">should be reported via oVirt =
Bugzilla[2].<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This update is
the first beta =
release of the 4.2.0 version. This<br class=3D"">release brings more =
than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand<br class=3D"">bug =
fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on<br =
class=3D"">top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> The
=
Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using<br =
class=3D""> Patternfly, a
widely adopted =
standard in web application design.<br =
class=3D""> It now features
a cleaner, more =
intuitive design, for an improved<br =
class=3D""> user
experience.<br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> There
is an =
all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.<br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> A
new High =
Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the<br =
class=3D""> New VM dialog
box in the =
Administration Portal.<br
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> Open
Virtual =
Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software<br =
class=3D""> defined
networking (SDN).<br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> oVirt
now =
supports Nvidia vGPU.<br
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> The
=
ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common<br =
class=3D""> administration
tasks.<br =
class=3D""> *<br =
class=3D""> Virt-v2vnow
=
supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">For more =
information about these and other features, check out the<br =
class=3D"">oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br class=3D""><<a
=
href=3D"https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/" =
class=3D"">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-...
.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">This release is available =
now on x86_64 architecture for:<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* Red Hat =
Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* CentOS =
Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and =
ppc64le<br class=3D"">architectures for:<br
class=3D""><br class=3D"">* =
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* =
CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* =
oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">See the release notes draft [3] for
=
installation / upgrade<br class=3D"">instructions and a list of new =
features and bugs fixed.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Notes:<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">- oVirt Appliance is =
already available.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">- An async
release of =
oVirt Node will follow soon.<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Additional Resources:<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">* Read =
more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" =
class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/</a><br =
class=3D""><http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/&g...
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: =
https://twitter.com/ovirt<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">*
Check out the =
latest project news on the oVirt blog:<br =
class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/blog/<br class=3D""><br
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ =
<https://www.ovirt.org/community/><br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">[2] =
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt<br =
class=3D""><https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi...
oVirt><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">[3] =
http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/<br =
class=3D""><http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/&g...
class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/<br =
class=3D""><http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-...
=
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">SANDRO BONAZZOLA<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE
ENGINEERING, EMEA =
ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D<br class=3D""><br
class=3D"">Red Hat EMEA =
<https://www.redhat.com/><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><https://red.ht/sig><br
class=3D"">TRIED. TESTED. =
TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted><br class=3D""><br
=
class=3D""><http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
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