5:29 a.m.
Hi,
we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0.
for current brainstorming phase, "anything goes" - i.e., I'd like us to
ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the
"perfect solution".
SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc.
Thanks,
Itamar
5:47 a.m.
Hi,
well basically the left pane, where I have to click through
"system->DC->etc" is plain useless to me.
I always go via the top tabs and then select the sub entity
I want to have.
So there are to many ways you can configure the same setting.
Example:
Adding a logical network
You can click:
"System->Your_DC->Networks->...wait..for..loading..->New"
or
"System" then click the "Networks" tab
(you have no long loading animation! :) ) -> "New"
(now you have of course to select the correct DC).
the latter is faster.
So I would omit this whole tree style stuff and just
kick it out.
It's not fast, and you often have to click through the tree
so I use just "System" selected in the tree and then select
the tabs I want.
Additional confusion:
When you did not select "system" and then want to use the
main tabs, you get just displayed what is appropriate for
the sub-tree of "system"..
It's just plain useless duplication of functionality imho.
Am 18.03.2014 11:29, schrieb Itamar Heim:
Hi,
we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0.
for current brainstorming phase, "anything goes" - i.e., I'd like us to
ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the
"perfect solution".
SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc.
Thanks,
Itamar
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8:31 a.m.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:47:16 +0000
Sven Kieske <S.Kieske(a)mittwald.de> wrote:
So there are to many ways you can configure the same setting.
100% agree, duplicity between the tree and main tabs is crazy.
If I could wish anything, I would keep the tree but I would make it
more nice and clever - one tree for physical schema, another one for
virtual schema (minic tagging, creating "groups" for related things).
Plus I would like to have right pane to show me quickly general
overview about things selected in left tree (example: If I would be in
a virtual folder called 'webapp' consisting of couple of related VMs, I
would love to see in right pane the list of VMs, graphs about CPU
usage, network usage, storage usage...; more details about the objects
could be implemented in some "tab" inside right pane - example: default
right pane would display info as written above, but details about CPU,
storage would be in separate tabs...).
However, bad decision would be like nightmare for ages, one likes main
tabs, another one likes the tree :)
j.
8:57 a.m.
Am 18.03.2014 14:31, schrieb Jiri Belka:
100% agree, duplicity between the tree and main tabs is crazy.
Well I would also use the tree if it is fast enough.
Just don't duplicate logic if not necessary, as it's just confusing
even experienced users.
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8:38 a.m.
On 18/03/14 07:47, Sven Kieske wrote:
Hi,
well basically the left pane, where I have to click through
"system->DC->etc" is plain useless to me.
I always go via the top tabs and then select the sub entity
I want to have.
So there are to many ways you can configure the same setting.
Example:
Adding a logical network
You can click:
"System->Your_DC->Networks->...wait..for..loading..->New"
or
"System" then click the "Networks" tab
(you have no long loading animation! :) ) -> "New"
(now you have of course to select the correct DC).
the latter is faster.
So I would omit this whole tree style stuff and just
kick it out.
It's not fast, and you often have to click through the tree
so I use just "System" selected in the tree and then select
the tabs I want.
Additional confusion:
When you did not select "system" and then want to use the
main tabs, you get just displayed what is appropriate for
the sub-tree of "system"..
It's just plain useless duplication of functionality imho.
Am 18.03.2014 11:29, schrieb Itamar Heim:
I agree, the plenty of tabs at any level is confusing.
Also would be nice to add views to left panel: VM's view, Storage View,
network view. I think that the left panel should be more clear or to
have a option to filter the stuff that it displays
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Hi,
we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0.
for current brainstorming phase, "anything goes" - i.e., I'd like us
to ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the
"perfect solution".
SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc.
I'd love to see this in the UI:
- auto-refreshed screenshots from the VMs consoles.
- some improved tagging/grouping
- customizable columns with sorting/filtering (tags ?)
- cpu/disk/net utilization column like virt-manger has them
- embedded serial console
- disk operations and migration status with progress bar and ETA.
- console access from client->engine->host. Most of the time we do not
have direct access to the hosts.
- ability to define exclude entities ( aka these 2 vms may never run on
the same storage and host )
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<br>
we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for
4.0.
<br>
for current brainstorming phase, "anything goes" - i.e., I'd like
us to ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize
the "perfect solution".
<br>
<br>
SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept,
flows, etc.
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I'd love to see this in the UI:<br>
<br>
- auto-refreshed screenshots from the VMs consoles. <br>
- some improved tagging/grouping<br>
- customizable columns with sorting/filtering (tags ?)<br>
- cpu/disk/net utilization column like virt-manger has them<br>
- embedded serial console<br>
- disk operations and migration status with progress bar and ETA.<br>
- console access from client->engine->host. Most of the time
we do not have direct access to the hosts.<br>
- ability to define exclude entities ( aka these 2 vms may never run
on the same storage and host )<br>
<br>
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Well I'd have some privacy concerns regarding this feature..
it might not even be useful if users are logged in via ssh
/different ttys etc.
Am 18.03.2014 15:12, schrieb Ernest Beinrohr:
- auto-refreshed screenshots from the VMs consoles.
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On 03/18/2014 03:12 PM, Ernest Beinrohr wrote:
Dňa 18.03.2014 11:29, Itamar Heim wrote / napísal(a):
> Hi,
>
> we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0.
> for current brainstorming phase, "anything goes" - i.e., I'd like us
> to ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the
> "perfect solution".
Anything goes is great - so here's what came in mind :)
I would love to be able to use drag and drop in the gui. E.g. Drag and
drop an vm selected in Virtual Machines tab to an host in the left
system navigation menu. Or drag and drop it on Templates tab and the New
Template window appears.
It would be cool if help would be available. When I installed oVirt 3.4
I discovered a subtab "Affinity Groups" for my vms and I had no clue
what I could do with this feature. So I visited oVirt wiki and searched
for "Affinity Groups" and now I know what this is all about. But if a
small "?" button would be available in the right upper corner of this
tab explaining this feature in 1-2 sentences and giving a link to a
detailed documentation page would help for non-experienced users/admins
(online in oVirt wiki or offline shipped with oVirt).
Furthermore I would love to be able to use ui plugins for User portal as
well...
What about a tab Logs where I could access engine.log file? At the
moment I have to switch to console to be able to get more detailed
information about an error and use search bar to find the corresponding
line.
>
> SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc.
I'd love to see this in the UI:
- auto-refreshed screenshots from the VMs consoles.
- some improved tagging/grouping
What about adding the possibility to create a tab out of a bookmark? I'm
thinking of the following: Add a bookmark which displays all VMs
belonging to Datacenter A and a bookmark which displays all VMs
belonging to Datacenter B. So for me it would be cool if I would have a
new main tab "VMs in DC A" and "VMs in DC B" - so I don't have to
switch
from System menu to Bookmarks menu, but can customize main tabs to best
fit into my environment.
- customizable columns with sorting/filtering (tags ?)
This would be cool.
I would love to be able to sort or enable/disable certain columns. E.g.
FQDN column is pretty useless for me as the vm name already contains the
FQDN in my setup. It would be cool if it would be possible for each user
to create his view and have this saved.
- cpu/disk/net utilization column like virt-manger has them
It would be great if I could add columns using ui plugins.
So e.g. I remove FQDN, Display, Status columns, but add my custom one
with the monitoring status or I can add my custom graphs based on my
monitoring system (or whatever) in addition or instead of the defined
CPU/Memory/Network columns...
- embedded serial console
- disk operations and migration status with progress bar and ETA.
Vote for this as well.
- console access from client->engine->host. Most of the time we
do not
have direct access to the hosts.
- ability to define exclude entities ( aka these 2 vms may never run on
the same storage and host )
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On 3/18/2014 6:29 AM, Itamar Heim wrote:
we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for
4.0.
for current brainstorming phase, "anything goes" - i.e., I'd like us to
ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the "perfect
solution".
SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc.
I have an
idea, though it may be relevant only to smaller setups.
I would like one place that I can go and see the health of my system. Right
now I am running a cluster in test mode, and I have to look at several places
before I have confidence that all is well:
Data Center
Storage (I am using gluster)
Hosts
VMs
The natural place for me to look would seem to be the left bar. If the icons
there had a color change to reflect status, I could just hit "Expand All" and
the color would immediately tell me the system status. Same icons would work,
with just a background or little square of color.
I realize that my little 3-host system is the exception, because (so far) I
can hit "Expand all" and I can still see the whole thing. I will not have to
deploy many more VMs before it will not all fit.
There may be a better way to do this, e.g. another choice between "Expand
all" and "Collapse All" that would expand all except the lowest level. It
would then show me categories like "Storage", "Networks",
"Hosts", "Volumes"
and "VMs" with a health color indication for each cluster. If I see anything
I am not expecting, I can expand that heading and see the status of the
individual items.
There may be a better way to do this, but I know that it is somewhat
frustrating to check first thing in the morning and have to do some many
clicks before I have confidence that nothing bad happened overnight. I have
actually found it faster to click on the "Events" tab and see if there are
any nasty messages there, rather than checking current status.
I look forward to the insights of others as to how they monitor cluster status.
Ted Miller
Elkhart, IN, USA
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